I already addressed all your pointless questions and "arguments". I refuse to do so again.
Not so much pointless as you failing over and over to show congruence with the very texts that speak how to produce of producing the Secret Solvent.
You say ''nonsense'' over things you don't
know, furthermore fail to show
congruence with your words and the very alchemical tracts, use
speculation to denounce other peoples investigation without thoroughly knowing what the hell you're talking about. I kindly advise you to get better acquainted with the subject of
alchemy. It appears to me that you are not ready to let go of whatever it is you think that you know, and let in some light of what other people are telling you, with congruency.
Using
TNT as one of your analogies is like comparing
apples and
oranges. TNT is not
quintessence. You marry your 1+1 to create One Matter, this is
quintessence, but I don't expect you to understand this concept just yet, because you don't believe in alchemical principals, it's not your ''
forte'' , you only believe in the secret solvent, like many others do, supposing that modern science will help detour you into finding this 'magical' rock. I use the term 'magical' because modern science, which you rely completely on doesn't recognize quintessence, or the phenomenon of producing this substance, and therefore ''magical'', like you and
Astral Projection, maybe one day you'll figure it out
Hmm, no, don't think so. You were even having a hard time understanding what LITERAL meaning means! I had to explain it to you repeatedly, and I am still not sure if you really got it.
The only person I feel that is having trouble understanding here is you, JDP.
Feel free to explain the same thing over and over, be my guest, while at the same time, completely weasling out of essential questions that I have asked you, like I said, it's because you don't know.
You can't answer my questions which are relevant to this topic, which you dismiss as fraudulent without explaining
how. You don't want to look wrong more than you want to know the
truth that I present to you, and so you weasel out of it without explaining it yourself. You don't know
how to refute it while at the same time being congruent with oh i don't know, with making any sense!
Calling the like of John Keely a fraud without essentially explaining
how, (because clearly its out of your comprehension) is just as empty as you calling what I say nonsense, and replacing words like ''speculation'' with ''
facts'' without even presenting any, and then expecting me to go on a wild goose chase to find the facts you speak of, and to find out your
someone else's perspective of why John Keely is a fraud, like I said, weasling your way out of answering essential questions related to the One Matter & the Emerald Tablet, I am showing congruency with what I say and alchemical literature, comparing the Emerald Tablet to investigations done by John Keely
(I even brought up Walter Russel as well) and say things like
nonsense, fraud, facts without showing anything, this is empty and pointless! It's like I'm at a University, listening to someone talk, and without even understanding what he's saying, I'm in the back with the students yelling
''nonsense, fraud, facts'' like I'm some sort of class clown (no disrespect)
Besides being what the alchemists themselves say, it is also simple common sense and logic. Otherwise you would be hard-pressed to explain why alchemy only achieved the productions of such substances that can turn many times their own weight into silver or gold, while chymistry and chemistry never found any such thing.
Maybe if you didn't try so hard to always be right all the time, and instead open yourself up to understanding, you might see the difference!
Quintessence! There is a big difference between Alchemy & Chemistry, working with living matter, and dead matter, working naturally, and unnaturally, Unification, and chemical conversion, using natural principals and unnatural principals.
Obviously alchemy discovered "something" that is unique to it, on which it depends, and that other laboratory disciplines failed to discover, and thus has remained the exclusive property of alchemy. I don't expect you to understand any of this, as your constant "replies" keep demonstrating that you have a very hard time understanding even simple logic and common sense.
The gigantic hypocrisy in this statement is comical, you know when you laugh out of frustration? Yeah.
Feel free to share some quotes, I have, but I don't expect you to show any congruence with the authors of this Art, since you think that the alchemists themselves are a bunch of liars, understanding literature doesn't seem to exactly be your ''
forte''.
Let me be as clear as I can be... Other than this, this is hopeless;
Alchemy is a natural science;
Philosophy is studying Nature and ITS operations:
Macrocosm Microcosm; Congruency;
Without Congruency, without Philosophy you are
lost without a
thread hence why you stooped to mish mashing random things together, hoping that
luck will bring you towards this solvent. As if some people haven't already devoted their entire lives using this route that you are very well treading on, and the result was absolutely nothing, over the
thousands of years having done it, yet the very Alchemists who hold this substance tell you blatantly to follow
nature, time and time again base their books on Philosophy, yet you think this is a ruse, go figure!
Like I said, I'm not going on a wild goose chase to find these facts that you speak of. Like I said, show some congruence. You are using your sense of reason, that is fine, all the power to you in this regard, your refusal to read between the lines is obscuring you from seeing the
grains of truth in the very alchemical texts that you read, and using your own speculation and using it as if it were fundamentally the case, and then you replace speculation with the word ''facts''. As if natural operations care about what you think of it, they will operate regardess of whether or not you understand their principals or not.
Alchemy does not care a single bit about what you think JDP, it doesn't, how a system works, remain
as is, regardless of what you think of it. Understand nature and its operations!
MAY THE FORCE B-E-W-I-T-H-Y-O-U!
The problem with your argument here is that the type of author that you have in mind keeps throwing a barrage of such "take this, take that" at you. Now, if you understood logic and common sense you would be asking yourself: what could so many different things have in common and fit with this claim that "take something that resembles it"? The answer is: nothing! Otherwise you need to explain what does a substance like alum, for example, have in common with a substance like cinnabar. One is white, soluble in water, and does not give solid sublimates when it is heated, the other one is red, insoluble in water, and completely sublimes when heated. The only thing they have in common is... gee, that they are both solid substances! NOTHING ELSE!!! So pray tell, what sort of real "clue" can you possibly derive from such absurd and totally unrealistic "comparisons" with all manner of different substances that hardly have anything in common. Some alchemists indeed use similarity as a concealing tool (with actual substances or things that had some things in common with the ones used in the work), but plenty of others simply just keep throwing at you just about any substance imaginable. This type of alchemist, then, is purely deceitful and acting with malicious intent, every bit as much as the "one matter only" ones. Again, use your head, be critical and logical about this subject instead of naively swallowing up every single silly excuse that these types of malicious alchemists came up with themselves in order to try to excuse their deplorable behavior, which actually ended costing great numbers of people all sorts of damage, endlessly wasting their time and money on fruitless efforts with all manner of incorrect substances.
This obviously depends on where you are looking. If you don't know where to look, like yourself, you will look everywhere ranging from natural to unnatural, to elements and the like, not knowing where to begin, not knowing where to start, hence why you say: ''
The answer is: nothing!'' More like, the answer is, ignorance.
Because the operations by themselves won't reveal any important secret, duh! That's why countless alchemical and chymical books explain in sufficient detail all the laboratory operations/techniques known in those times. Again, use your head. ANALOGY TIME: if a chemist told you that he knows how to prepare a certain metallic red salt through sublimation, and instead of telling you the actual substances he used to achieve this he doesn't tell you anything else at all, you would still be in the blind regarding what exactly is it that he sublimed in order to prepare this product. He could even give you a very detailed description of all the apparatuses he used and the phenomena (like color changes) he observed with his own eyes while preparing the red salt, but you would still not know how to replicate it from such mutilated/insufficient/incomplete instructions. You would have to do some EMPIRICAL investigations of your own in order to try to figure out how he accomplished the production of this red salt. For example, you could take lead and mix it with various salts and heat them in an aludel to see "what happens". Logical questions that you would ask yourself in such an investigation would be: what metals can give volatile salts? And which ones can give red colored ones? With no such information handy for your convenience, you would have to go on a path of trial & error with many substances until you would finally start clearing up the matter on your own. This is also how alchemy (and transmutational chymistry) is investigated. No other way. Forget about theories: "sulphurs", "mercuries", "universal spirits", "seeds", "radical moistures", and the like imaginary speculative gobbledygook. As someone else eloquently said in another thread: theories are nothing but "mental masturbation". They will take you nowhere in this subject.
You're comparing apples and oranges here. Chemistry is not Alchemy, and Alchemy is a natural science, if and when an Alchemist talks about how to derive their salt, sulphur, mercury, you have natural philosophy as your guide. Alchemy is natural, if you want to seek unnatural operations then stick to Chemistry, that's your choice, not my problem, at all! I frankly don't care what you decide to do.
How does something become
One in nature? I've showed you an example already using Still Water.
The way you act on a composite or a piece of matter will effect its composure. Ignorantly acting on a piece of matter while not aware of essential subtle properties like the Chemists, leave you at great risk destroying the potential of developing the solvent by ignorantly disrupting its development like the chemists do when they work with a dead piece of matter.
Still water over Earth will eventually congeal and convert to Earth, it's actually
Schmeldvich who said this nicely somewhere else.
This is why when people take some of the words of the alchemists by the literal meaning which they have been warned not to do, they get a completely different result. This is why philosophy, and theory, AND trial and error is important, but without Philosophy you get nowhere, you get JDP, mish mashing until he turns as old as 80 and thensome like it has been for COUNTLESS of others. You need to unlearn. You're only obscuring yourself, and others, when you denounce authors who wrote on alchemy, all the while failing to show any congruence with what you say and the texts that speak of alchemy.
The IUPAC defines calcination as "heating to high temperatures in air or oxygen". However, calcination is also used to mean a thermal treatment process in the absence or limited supply of air or oxygen applied to ores and other solid materials to bring about a thermal decomposition. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcination
There are people who use high heat in the art and low heat in the art. Heat ranges on many different levels. Even cold is a degree of heat. The Alchemists spoke of operations done in
July, August, Winter...Heat creates pressure. Less heat, less pressure. Pressure
can put out
fire. The secret alchemical
fire should tell you something...
LOL! As if recognizing a substance like the Stone would be so incredibly difficult! How many substances have you stumbled upon in a natural setting that can turn many times their own weight of base metals into silver and gold??? Ah, that's right, NONE! I rest my case. NATURE ON ITS OWN DOES NOT MAKE ANY SUCH SUBSTANCE. If it did, the odds are humongous that we would already have observed it and noted the fact after THOUSANDS of years of accumulated experience with nature and its productions (the very raw materials of human industry since the dawn of mankind.)
And for the same very reason, you fail to comprehend why you and the chemists haven't made the substance by now, with thousands of accumulated experience, something some of the very first alchemists themselves didn't have, especially as much as we do today, and for some reason, JDP thinks he has it all figured out. *slow clap*
The Alchemists didn't have as much ''accumulated experience'' as we would today yet they've made the solvent, like I said, people have devoted their whole life on this path you are treading on resulting in
NADA WITH AND WITHOUT accumulated experiences. Understand NATURE and its OPERATIONS. They would have to rely on theories/philosophy/investigation and yes that's right, trial & error, this isn't so hard to comprehend when you put into the equation ''Meditate'', because you ''meditate'' on certain matters (lol) and this is how you cultivate your understanding, while looking towards nature. Using Trial & Error alone, you are lost without a thread, just look at how much accumulated experience got you, bud, still trying to mish mash random things together, trying to find the secret solvent out of sheer ''
luck''.
Philosophy brings understanding to the principals of nature when you investigate ITS natural operations, giving you a piece of ''Aridadne's Thread'' to follow as someone else put it nicely, this is why philosophy is very important, but I don't expect you to understand this just yet, you still have much to learn when it comes to the art, bud.
