Making gold and getting away with it

[elixirmixer]

The problem isn't selling small amounts of gold currently, there's all sorts of creative accounting that can be done.
Its how are you able to attain regular amounts of a finite substance with amazing purity.
People can catch on quick. When people smell opportunity they can become dangerous.
You wouldn't get away with it for ever. The whole venture is ill conceived for an alchemist who's art revolves around secrecy.

This is also a great point. Let us not forget the old warnings, that if one uses the stone for personal gain, it will result in an untimely demise. Perhaps this warning is not at all rooted in superstition.

 

[zoas23]

Yes, multiple ways. First, you can have a bank account and debit card. As long as you don't deposit more than 2 or 3k in cash, there will be no Suspicious Activity Report filed. If you deposit more than that up to 10k a report is filed, but isn't required to be given to the IRS...only held in case they need to investigate in the future. Deposit more than 10k and then they are required to send a report to the feds. So just keep your balance in the four digits and only use the account to pay bills and online purchases. Minimize your activity and it won't be reported...at least for now.

Somehow false, but probably you don't know it.
Some activities are an immediate red flag, but other ones seem to go unnoticed.

A good friend, a software programmer and mathematician works exclusively for banks... And his main activity is to create softwares that, as to say it in a colloquial way, unite the dots automatically and trace patterns that otherwise would probably fly under the radar (the point is to catch people involved in criminal activities, money laundering, tax evasion, etc).

For some reason each bank uses its own software (which is good for my friend), but they have to be able to work with the software of other banks.

The use of these softwares is not something that the banks have decided (if you deposit a billion dollars every day, they will certainly love you)... But something that the US government requests the banks to have, but it also requests the same thing to the governments of other countries to use.

Source: a friend of mine has that job.

Other than that... Another friend lives exclusively from selling found gold. He works with an average metal detector and knows where to search. Some months he gets $0... Some other months he gets $25,000. He was never asked where he finds it... Of course, you can't state that you are so lucky that you are finding 10 kilos of gold every month.

Anyway... I simply wanted to say that the banks use a software designed to trace operations which are impossible to explain and which are willingly performed as an attempt to fly under the radar.

 

[elixirmixer]

Its true, I also have a friend who does exactly the same thing as Zoas friend. Design algorithms that find unusual patterns in financial accounts and red flags them so that a human inspector can have a closer look.

IT might be worth noting that this is not just done with cash, but also a myriad of other things, such as political views is trying to distinguish cases of passive extremism in individuals so that they can be monitored in an attempt to prevent a terrorist act before it occurs ect. (as well as other things i'm sure, if you've got the power why not use it right?)

I mean, how many people chat online about the P.Stone? A few thousand maybe if were lucky? How hard would it be for them to compile a list of those individuals.... you see, we are not as smart as we think we are. That list exists, and it has all of our names on it.

The cosmic Joke being, that Awani has been paid to compile that list of course

 

[Awani]

Sad to say the rules have changed since the events in this film took place... although still worth your while (if you are big fish), however it is not the "economic heaven" it used to be. Although there are other countries that can provide aid in financial matters; for example Panama and Malta to name two.

Many years ago I did a Turkey/Swiss sandwich that ended up in The Netherlands, although small fish it was still worth it and if nothing else fun... but this happened in the last years of "freedom". Today all countries co-operate unless the individual that is "hiding" money is Jacob Rothschild or someone like that. If stealth is applied countries in the Middle East can be VERY good... they are not "western, and their taxation systems are sometimes non-existent. The danger there is to catch the attention of those in charge, so there will be "taxes" in the form of "bribes... and always a risk they just "take it" (seize the bank). However small numbers will go unnoticed, and by small I would say a few million dollars.

If you can make gold no reason to "keep making it", make just enough to be able to do some clever investments and after that you can "grow" your wealth with "white" money. That would be way smarter than simply "keep pumping out gold". The only reason to "keep pumping out gold" would be to perform economic activism like throwing gold bars in the street at random... stuff like that...

 

[elixirmixer]

I think even the gold bar on the street stunt wouldnt do the world too much good. most likely all those poor people who tried to sell it would end up in shit with the authorities when they started tracking down where all this super-pure unmarked gold was coming from.

I suppose your right Awani that some places in the world would be better for this than others. I know that in Australia your chances are less than 0% pretty much. There's not a lot of "loyalty" here and I think youll find that most people that you 'try' to trust would end up squealing when they had there arms even slightly twisted. Not a very honorable society here in the western world.

I think that it would be enough for me to just get that extra 5 - 10k per year and have really healthy produce; and after all, the stone is apparently pretty hard to make. I think Id be saving it for when one of my immediate family got horribly sick or something rather than squander it on cash. Cash can be made in other ways but top-notch medicines not so much.

 

[Andro]

Consider this one simple phrase:

"It's not the law, it's who you know."

 

[tAlc]

Even if you have the cash, it is becoming increasingly difficult to spend it outside the system (banks, etc...). Can one pay monthly bills/utilities in cash in the US?


That's starting to come a bit closer to the "different" line of thinking I was talking about earlier.

This is the essential question. Selling Gold, making cash discreetly, the gangsters do it except we'd be doing it ''legally'' and then paying all in cash for no ''paper trail''... I heard of some places like hotels that allow Bitcoin, and have heard of Bitcoin ATMs so one could in theory convert their cash to bitcoin for electronic needs, and could always convert their Bitcoin back to cash again. It may cost a lot extra, but you'd be the one with the unlimited gold making.

I know some apartments take cash in my city, but you'd have to be ''cool'' lol .. I think all of this can be done safetly, my only fear is that in 2 years, everything is fine and dandy, the FBI will bust down my door out of sky blue demanding where i got the money lmao

 

[Dendritic Xylem]

Somehow false, but probably you don't know it.....

Anyway... I simply wanted to say that the banks use a software designed to trace operations which are impossible to explain and which are willingly performed as an attempt to fly under the radar.

Like I said, your activity has to be within reason. I know one person that has never paid income tax in his life, deposits 5 figures into his bank account yearly, and has never received any attention after doing this for decades. I know another guy that owns a large bar/nightclub who dodges tons of taxes and pays all of his employees in cash under the table (illegal)...this has been going on for over a decade and nobody seems to care. If you keep the deposits small and spread out, you can stay under the radar...for now. There are waaay too many big fish for them to go after. This is why I say a frugal person can get away with it. I calculated that I can cover all of my required/essential bills on $12k per year if I pay cash for land/cabin and produce my own electricity/water and grow my own food. Trump's tax changes actually raised the minimum taxable income from $10k up to $12k. So you aren't even required to pay taxes on that amount. But you're right, it is difficult or impossible to hide the transactions of your average American mass consumer. Especially a newly rich one.

Always stick with tiny local banks or credit unions. They are much less likely to track your transactions than Bank of America or Chase. Especially if you follow the legal limits for tripping SA reports.

Another thing. You could always just, you know, pay taxes on it. We even have systems that allow criminals to pay taxes on their illegal drugs...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crack_tax

Just pretend to be a prospector, sell your gold, pay your taxes, and you'll be fine. The IRS cares more about getting your money than where it came from.

 

[elixirmixer]

It could also help to maybe dilute the gold with some silver so that it wasnt so pure. And to make the purity different every time so that the mint didnt get so suspicious.

But seriously, Gold is such a waste of Stone. I'd be much more interested in growing the worlds biggest and healthiest MANGO!

 

[tAlc]

So ultimately, if one deposits say, 100k into their bank account, and if the Bank decides to fill out an IRS form, virtually nothing could happen as long as the this type of deposit is not often since they will likely look for patterns as oppose to a one time transaction. You have not broke the law, so they couldn't pin anything on you if they tried, they would have to state what law was broken. I don't think there's any hidden government posse that hangs around hoping to snatch some newly found-out alchemist... how tedious would that be, and besides, there are many individuals who study alchemy and if you don't understand Alchemy as is, seeing as there is definitely many different interpretations of the same texts, one shouldn't find themselves worrying over selling gold because it literally takes one who have concrete understanding of alchemy to spot out another individual, so forget about the conspiracy of ''they're coming to get you'' unless you're announcing it... but I still think it would be good to be smart and not dump a whole bunch of gold all in one place, especially a pawn shop. Building up the cash, perhaps one can find themselves building up as high as 500k and making the deposit, and have you and your family (trusted ones) simply say that it's been a family savings over generations That is one way. I could think of a couple of ways to make more out of 500k legally, and in a form of official business, like real estate being one example.

I was originally gonna ask a question but decided to state my conclusion on what I think on the matter.

''The main question here is - is the source or use of money against the law? If not, then why do you care even if your account is flagged?

Even if it were flagged, nothing unpleasant will happen if you have not done anything really wrong.

In most cases, they will not even reach out to you. I can tell you from my experience, my checking account had transactions less than $10,000 for 2 years and then one fine day, there was one transaction of $35,000, nothing happened.

Then few months later, one transaction of $85,000 and nothing happened.

All of the transactions were perfectly legal and in good order.

So if you are like me, then you have nothing to worry.'' - Bobby Arora

https://www.quora.com/If-I-deposit-a-40-000-check-to-my-bank-account-will-I-be-red-flagged-from-IRS

I've never had to fill out a form when making a large deposit. The easiest way to attract notice is by trying to avoid being noticed. When an account has unusual activity (and $22k would apply), the bank notifies the government. As long as you are not consistently making and withdrawing large amounts of money, you should be fine. The absolute worst thing that will happen is someone may ask you where you got the money, and you then tell them that you had been saving up your money... The only way you could get into trouble is if you try to get around the notification requirements by making 7 deposits of $3000 each. Just put the money in. Remember, there is nothing that they can do on suspicion. They need evidence of wrong doing before they can do anything.

https://www.quora.com/How-do-I-deposit-a-large-amount-of-cash-without-getting-in-trouble

 

[Pilgrim]

Logistical Note: Continued from HERE.

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I wonder how he manages to "just go sell some gold"?

There are surely checks and balances in place at every goldsmith or gold related outlet keeping an eye out for people trying to sell this kind of gold.

I did wonder if that's why we now have these companies advertising on TV and radio like "We'll buy your gold" and ' text GOLD to ' a given phone number etc. There seemed to be numerous such companies springing up suddenly wanting everyone's gold, silver, jewellery and gems.

I always presumed they were just a con and would pay an absolute pittance for any gold they received, at least well below prevailing spot price, but I can see now that such outlets would be a good way to conceal any gold that you produce yourself. You'd be handling large amounts of gold and so the normal flagging point of £x thousands worth of gold selling would have to be ignored.

 

[Via Veritatis]

Interesting thread!

Firstly, because this colleague of Salazius who made so much gold, reminded me of a French alchemist who carried out a process that yielded a lot of gold. It's a shame that at the time I ignored the process that was published on the internet. When I returned years later, the publication had been taken down. I tried to ask the aforementioned alchemist for information, but unfortunately he didn't want to tell me.

Secondly, because this issue of selling gold is one of the first reflections I made when I entered this universe. And to be honest, there are many ways to sell it without putting yourself under suspicion. One of my first ideas would be to get a mine or set up a warehouse to legitimize the large production. Another idea would be to sell the process (not the Philosopher's Stone) to someone who has a knack for industry. There are others, it's true, and others have come out along these lines here.

Thirdly, and perhaps most importantly, despite all these issues involving governments, NWO, IRS and others, we are a community here. We can gather all the expertise of our members and find ways to exploit it to our advantage. We can leave our different beliefs about this or that aside and find common ground so that everyone here can benefit from the knowledge that is both sacred and hermetic. On the one hand, there are those who only want spiritual benefits, but there are others who need financial stability and even the results of years of intellectual effort. And all of this is very fair when we read the stories of alchemists of the past who, even having the spiritual benefits of the Stone, still decided or needed to produce gold.

We have brilliant minds here who can use this platform as a safe haven for all members, both in research and in the benefit of hermetic knowledge. Perhaps not everyone agrees with this suggestion, but if we do not unite for the knowledge we have and the results we desire, we will continue to be marginalized, mocked, persecuted and even killed. If today we can gather so many hermeticists in one place, it is certainly so that none of us are handed over or exploited by the tyranny that has always prevailed.

A fraternal hug!
V. V.

 

[black]

I wonder how he manages to "just go sell some gold"?

There are surely checks and balances in place at every goldsmith or gold related outlet keeping an eye out for people trying to sell this kind of gold.

In Australia I can buy or sell gold (Au) no questions asked.

They test the gold for it's purity and pay the going rate at that minute.

 

[Indigo Hued]

I wonder how he manages to "just go sell some gold"?

Coin shops and pawn stores offer melt price without any questions on silver and gold. You can take a drive around town hitting 4 or 5 in one day and as long as you arnt selling anything above 10k to each shop there are no questions asked, no ID. They pay cash. Not that i have done this.

 

[Awani]

I suspect this is a regional problem. I don't consider alchemy to be a gold making effort. First of all, if one could make gold it would lover the value of gold... secondly in terms of value, gold - albeit steady - is not increasing in value that much and EVEN if you manage to sell the gold what do you get for it: toilet paper called fiat

Thus BTC is the only thing that outperforms gold. All the money spent on alchemical equipment to get gold would be better spent just stacking Satoshis.

It is always good to have some gold, but even if you "get away" with making gold I am not sure - in the end - that it was worth it. Even cash is useless. If I get one million dollars in cash where I live it's practically useless. Sure I can buy milk and bread, but I can't buy a house or a car because I can't show them from "where" the money is coming (unless I do get it "legally"). And even if I legally get one million dollars it would be a real fucking hassel to convince a bank to accept it.

BTC is the only "gold" of note these days. I'd focus on that.

 

[Indigo Hued]

in terms of value, gold - albeit steady - is not increasing in value that much and EVEN if you manage to sell the gold what do you get for it: toilet paper called fiat

Not increasing in value much? It went up $1000USD/ounce in less than 3 years. Thats an astronomical increase.

And what can you get with the cash from selling gold? Anything you want, anywhere, at any time. Its currency.

 

[Awani]

Cash is today what Blockbuster was ten years ago. Don’t hold too much… 😅

Do you know what inflation is?

This is reality:

 

[Indigo Hued]

Don’t hold too much… 😅

I agree.

 

[Awani]

I guess one could make stuff with the gold and sell that if the local rules are strict with bars?

 

[Pilgrim]

Poor show putting up a cherry picked time slot of gold value. Here's a fuller chart:



The powers that be very naturally won't want anyone to f*ck with the price of gold because so much else rests on it. Of course they KNOW that gold can be produced out of thin air by alchemy and other means but the wider public doesn't and thus still attaches significant value to gold. That's why there are checks on who is selling gold and how much, how often. Step over the line and most assuredly the "men in black" will come knocking imho.

So long as they keep control of that, gold and silver and platinum, rhodium and paladium are all valuable commodities.

In an apocalyptic scenario small quantities of silver or gold will obviously let you buy the life necessities like food, drink, meds and so on. It's real tangible currencythat everyone understands and trusts and have done for 1000s of years. FIAT is a perilous commodity that can and likely will collapse at any moment. Many eggs in many baskets is the way to protect oneself from the various collapses that are likely to occur.

 

[Awani]

That chart doesn't count inflation. It is wrong. That is why my chart was more accurate.

100 dollars in 1980 is not worth 100 dollars in 2024.

 

[Via Veritatis]

In Australia I can buy or sell gold (Au) no questions asked.

They test the gold for it's purity and pay the going rate at that minute.

This is very good @black !

Can you say if you produce them with your Stone or by means of a particular process? Here in my country, we can buy ou sell small amounts of it without problems, but to sell large amounts certainly it must have a cover story in order to justify it. If by your Stone, can you say at least allegorically what path or what master have you followed?

In a attempt to grasp what the path and what the matter of the Stone, I began to gather, since my first steps, a lot of particular processes from several public and private manuscripts/sites. Some of them are simple BS, of course; others are as unique as toxic as those of Joe Champion, Dr. Monti or Philip Schneider. Some of them are easy and safe to perform, others more hard or more dangerous to accomplish. However, some of them are repeated with some frequency from manuscript to another, which implies either an implicit validity or a recognition level. On the one hand, some of them have resemblance with some alchemical process, for instance, the black precipitated matter of Cyliani or the allegorical process described by Johann Sternhals and so on; for another hand, these resemblances does not implies that the processes are true.

Since I have not yet any clear and defined figure about the Great Work, I am left only with these processes. I am in the middle of testing some of them: firstly, those which are easy, safe and have some legitimate history or person attached to them; having success or not, or depending of the yielding of the success, I will proceed to those which can be hard, but not dangerous; and in case of failure in both of them, I will proceed to the dangerous ones, which, despite of their toxicity, seems to be the base of some alchemical descriptions of the Great Work. The purpose of this undertaking is, if I succeed, to sell to those in condition to industrialize the process, and eventually share with those ones which are not in condition and need some financial conditions to live and seek the Philosopher´s Stone.

I ask the prayers of you all.
V. V.

 

[ghetto alchemist]

I am left only with these processes. I am in the middle of testing some of them

I didn't know that you're aware of quite a few of these processes, looks like some of them new and novel.
Would you care to update the archemy techniques thread (link HERE) with the ones which aren't already on there?

 

[black]

This is very good @black !

Can you say if you produce them with your Stone or by means of a particular process?

Hi Via Veritatis

The Transmutation of lead (Pb) to gold (Au) is probably at the bottom of most Adept Alchemists list of things to do .... there are so many other more important avenues to expand upon with this Divine Work.

You are correct with your assumption that the Transmutation of lead (Pb) to gold (Au) requires a Particular Process.

 

[Via Veritatis]

Hi @ghetto alchemist!

I didn't know that you're aware of quite a few of these processes, looks like some of them new and novel.
Would you care to update the archemy techniques thread (link HERE) with the ones which aren't already on there?

I added what I could there. I regret that I cannot contribute more, since my knowledge of modern techniques is quite limited. My knowledge is broader in old processes and many of them are much more convoluted in terms of the techniques applied.

The Transmutation of lead (Pb) to gold (Au) is probably at the bottom of most Adept Alchemists list of things to do .... there are so many other more important avenues to expand upon with this Divine Work.

Yes, you are right especially from a spiritual point of view. Some say that the Stone can increase psychic powers, and that is also a big plus. There are also some mushrooms that help in this regard, but they are prohibited here in my country. At the moment, since I do not have access to the Stone, I satisfy this need by invoking the Prince of Dreams of Kabbalah, by lucid dreaming (technique used by Cyliani at the foot of the oak tree), or by invoking the Tetragrammaton in some situations. That is how I came to know about Cyliani's matter, this work that is so dear to me.

You are correct with your assumption that the Transmutation of lead (Pb) to gold (Au) requires a Particular Process.

I really didn't understand your answer. Do you mean that since you have the Stone, a particular process is necessary to transmute lead, or that you use a particular process that doesn't involve the Stone to transmute lead? From what I've read in your other posts, you claim to have the Stone in your possession, and I congratulate you on that. I thank you in advance for your generosity in answering my still childish questions.

V. V.