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Just got an art concept idea regarding luxury hotel adverts... below are two examples of the concept:

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What message are you trying to get across with this art, it might be obvious to you but others might not get it, what are you trying to say?
 

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What message are you trying to get across with this art, it might be obvious to you but others might not get it, what are you trying to say?

If it is not obvious to some people, then those people are the reason "my message" needs to exist in the first place.

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I see the sarcastic aspect of this art but other then that the exact message you are trying to convey has wide interpretation.

Instead of spending your money on a luxury hotel donate to the poor, would be how I would interpret it.

If your trying to say the people staying at or owning these hotels are responsible for her condition...well I would say that's just pure BS
 

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What message are you trying to get across with this art, it might be obvious to you but others might not get it, what are you trying to say?

Absurdly expensive hotel, starving kid with no $$$$ as to get food. A détournement

In short, taking the message of advertising and showing the other side of the coin... as Lettrism, Situationism, the Imaginary Bauhaus and Neoism did... and a few Fluxus artists




P.s, I liked the first one... I believe it delivers the message better (because the détournement is less obvious, so it goes deeper... the second one gets close to shock art, but the world has gone a bit insensitive, so subtle things work better).
 

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I see the sarcastic aspect of this art but other then that the exact message you are trying to convey has wide interpretation.

Instead of spending your money on a luxury hotel donate to the poor, would be how I would interpret it.

If your trying to say the people staying at or owning these hotels are responsible for her condition...well I would say that's just pure BS

It's not so specific, more like zoas23 said... more about perspective.

HOWEVER the privileged world is privileged on the backs of the rest of the world. You can call that BS all you want.

And no I am not some disgruntled working class drone... I have stayed in such hotels many times, and I am privileged myself (compared to most of Africa, Asia, Latin America and certain suburbs in the West). It is not about "luxury hotels". It is about perspectives, compassion, privilege and most of all gratitude.

...the second one gets close to shock art...

I liked that one the most.

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There are parts of the world where the privileged have never set foot in and are not to be seen for thousands of miles, in those areas you got people living like that women so whose fault is that ?

btw who are the privileged in your eyes...are the privileged of a specific race by any chance? Just trying to see if your one of those cucked self hating white boys!
 

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There are parts of the world where the privileged have never set foot in and are not to be seen for thousands of miles, in those areas you got people living like that women so whose fault is that ?

Where is that? You live in this world anyway, don't you? I don't think there's anyone here who doesn't. "it's not my problem" is one of the worst diseases of our times.

btw who are the privileged in your eyes...are the privileged of a specific race by any chance? Just trying to see if your one of those cucked self hating white boys!

I was strangely surprised by this poll on this forum:

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And now I remembered a fragment of a famous interview to Deleuze:

Claire Parnet: What is it to be “from the left” for you?

Gilles Deleuze: Well, I will tell you that there can’t be any government from the left. It doesn’t mean that there is no differences between governments. The best we can hope for is a government that would be in favor of some of the left’s requirements but a government from the left, that does not exist. So how to define what is it to be “from the left”, I would say it in two ways.
It’s firstly a problem of perception. A problem of perception that is to say what is it not be “from the left”. We can see that with the postal address. Not be from the left means starting with myself, my street, my city, my country, the other countries further and further. We start by us, and as we are privileged, we live in a rich country, we wonder how we can do to sustain in time this situation. We can feel that there are some dangers, that this situation can’t last too long. So we say “Oh but the Chinese are so far away, how can we do so that Europe can sustain itself in time etc.”
To be from the left is the opposite. It is to perceive, as it is said that Japanese people perceive. They don’t perceive like us, they primarily perceive the perimeter. They would say: The world, the Continent Europe, France, etc. etc. the rue Bizerte, Me. It is a phenomenon of perception. This way we first perceive the horizon.


Claire Parnet: Japanese people are not really from the left !

Gilles Deleuze: That’s not a reason. By this perception they are from the left. In the sense of the postal address they are from the left. You first see the horizon and you do know that it can’t sustain itself in time, that it is not possible, that those millions of people who starve from death, that can still last for a hundred years, but eventually we cannot stand this absolute injustice. That’s not a problem of moral, that’s a problem of perception. If we start by the whole, that is it to be from the left. It means that we can call and consider that those issues are the one to be solved. And that does not mean at all that we should say that we should diminish birth rate etc. because saying that is just another way to conserve Europe’s privileges. This is not it. It’s really about finding the worldwide arrangements that will solve those issues. In fact, to be from the left it is to know that the Third World’s issues are closer from us than our neighborhood’s issues. It is really a problem of perception, it’s not a problem of beautiful soul. That is mainly what is it to be from the left for me.

Secondly, to be from the left for me, that’s a problem of becoming; never stopping to become minority. In fact, the left is never a majority and for a very simple reason. Because majority supposes, even when we vote, it’s not just the biggest amount that vote for something…Majority supposes a standard.
In the Western World, the standard that every majority supposes is: male, adult, heterosexual, living in the city. Ezra Pound, Joyce said some things like that, it was perfect. That’s what the standard is. Thus, naturally what will have the majority, the one that will punctually achieve this standard. That is to say, the image of the male, adult, heterosexual, living in the city. That is to a point that I can say that majority is never anybody. That is never anybody, that’s an empty standard. Simply, several people, a maximum amount of people recognize themselves in this empty standard, but in itself the standard is empty. So then women will count and intervene in the majority or in secondary minorities according to their group relatively to this standard. But what is beside that ? There are all the becomings that are minority becomings.
What I mean is that women are not women naturally, women have a becoming woman. So if women have a becoming woman, men as well have a becoming woman. We were talking earlier about becomings animals…Children have a becoming child, they are not children naturally. All those becomings are the minority becomings.

Claire Parnet: So only men don’t have a becoming man, that’s tough !

Gilles Deleuze: They can’t, it is a majority standard. The adult male is not a becoming. Men can have a becoming woman, and this way have to engage into processes of minority becomings. Left is the ensemble of processes of minority becomings.
So I can literally say: Majority is nobody, minority is everybody. That is what it is to be from the left, that is to know that minority is everybody and that’s where occur the becomings phenomenas.

cucked self hating white boys????
I like the logic of Deleuze, his "postal address" logic...

You can think Me, then my neighborhood, then my country, then my race, then the other races, then the other non-human living beings. then the world, then the universe.... and so on.

Or you can change your perception... and begin with the "so on", then the universe, then the world, then the living beings, then the humans, then you.

Kibrick wrote in another unrelated thread:

It means your brain can only build a incomplete picture of the universe around you from limited sensory information.

I do not think we are limited by our senses, I would rephrase it and say by our perceptions. The narrower our perceptions are, the narrower we are too.

Your limit can be "you", or you can extend it and it can become "Irish", or you can extend it and it can become "white"... or you can extend it and it can become "human"... or you can extend it and it can be "living being"... and so on... there is no hate when you expand your perception, when you begin by the other side of the postal address (i.e, the side that does not begin with "you" and seems to finish with "white").

The classical alchemists were always thinking along these lines when they wrote about what is universal and what is particular. Later the notion of a Pansophia showed up.

Are "white" and "boy" your limits? Are you able to go further?

" Would all these blurred facts that deceive dissolve in his last breath? For accustomed to believing in image, an absolute idea of value, his world had forgotten the command of essence: Thou Shall Not Create Unto Thyself Any Graven Image, although you know the task is to fill the empty page. From the bottom of your heart, pray to be released from image.

Time is what keeps the light from reaching us.

The image is a prison of the soul, your heredity, your education, your vices and aspirations, your qualities, your psychological world.

I have walked behind the sky.
For what are you seeking?
The fathomless blue of Bliss.

To be an astronaut of the void, leave the comfortable house that imprisons you with reassurance.
Remember,

To be going and to have are not eternal - fight the fear that engenders the beginning, the middle and the end.

For Blue there are no boundaries or solutions.
" (Derek Jarman)

I don't hate myself... but probably we are perceiving in absolute opposite ways.
 

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@Luxus

zoas23 replied mostly for me.

Although I can add that my view on these issues are based in love, not hate. Self-hating? No, self-loving more like it. The more one loves oneself, the easier it is to love others.

Also: no smoke without fire

What is the first step towards sobriety? Acknowledge you are addicted. The whole world is not there yet, we will be one day. As for me: I use my status, power and privilege to spread it outwards towards those that do not have those things.

Not to do that would make me a proper cunt. And I would be ashamed, because if I was down and out I would want support. I am not talking about charity, rather empowerment.

You also asked if I was cucked, which means weak. You do not know me that well, but I am ALL about POWER. I like to view myself as Yoda or Luke Skywalker BUT with Darth Vader powers. Which means that if someone hurt me I will show them love and compassion, as I close their lungs with my mind. ;)

Are you an anarchist and 100 % self-sustained? Congrats, you are practically innocent. If not those things, get in line.

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Where is that? You live in this world anyway, don't you? I don't think there's anyone here who doesn't. "it's not my problem" is one of the worst diseases of our times.
Yes I live in the world but the worlds problems are not mine that is absolutely true. I have observed some cultures are largely matriarchal. The women's job is to walk miles to get water from the nearest well, the woman's job is to trash the crop to get the grain, the woman's job is to grind the grain, the woman's job is to cook, its the woman's job to fetch firewood and make the fire, its the woman's job even to build the primitive huts they live in which I was surprised...the mans job is largely to sit on his ass! All society's who adopt this matriarchal centered approach will have poor infrastructure because in truth all that is a mans job. It is her mans job to digg that well so she can have water, its her mans job to sow a field full of crop so she can eat and feed her baby. Its her mans job to build her a nice house. Its her mans job to construct sewage management so to keep the area sanitised and the water supply unpolluted. For sure its not another mans job to journey across the planet to digg her water wells, build her huts, teach farming techniques and build sewage management systems...what has her man being doing all this time?

I was strangely surprised by this poll on this forum:

Why were you surprised, you thought everyone was a leftist by now? Your comment on that thread was interesting and I recall it "Non-Traditional left and not ashamed at all of it (Non-Marxist and non-violent)" Why did you feel the need to say Non-Marxist and non-violent, is it because you have observed (as I have) that there is a very high percentage of lefties who are violent, Marxist, communists ??? Not surprising really since they are largely responsible for most political left party's today ie the Fabian society, the Frankfurt school. Only difference between these two schools is one wanted to install Marxism/Communism rapidly (Frankfurt school) while the others goal is to install it gradually (The Fabian Society).

And now I remembered a fragment of a famous interview to Deleuze:

Japan is very much on the right actually, they are very nationalistic and I have no problem with that.

Your limit can be "you", or you can extend it and it can become "Irish", or you can extend it and it can become "white"... or you can extend it and it can become "human"... or you can extend it and it can be "living being"... and so on... there is no hate when you expand your perception

I dont "hate" anyone and as for mysticism, was born studying it, I am the real mystic not the fake one!

I don't hate myself... but probably we are perceiving in absolute opposite ways.
Yes that is very probable too but I have no requirement for you to perceive things as I do, your journey is yours not mine.
 
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You are way off. That is not due to matriarchy. In fact communities with matriarchy fair better.

I am happy to go into this debate. I have worked 18 years with these issues and been in many of these areas. Again, as I said elsewhere, direct experience is the best way to understand something.

Also I am not on the left (as it is called). I belong to a new breed: anarchist with corporate power and capitalistic tacticts to achieve tribal and anarchic effects that will bring forth a non-dual and non-linears state of being called "the embrace of the Mystery".

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zoas23 replied for me.

Although I can add that my view on these issues are based in love, not hate. Self-hating? No, self-loving more like it. The more one loves oneself, the easier it is to love others.

Also: no smoke without fire

What is the first step towards sobriety? Acknowledge you are addicted. The whole world is not there yet, we will be one day. As for me: I use my status, power and privilege to spread it outwards towards those that do not have those things.

Not to do that would make me a proper cunt. And I would be ashamed, because if I was down and out I would want support. I am not talking about charity, rather empowerment.

You also asked if I was cucked, which means weak. You do not know me that well, but I am ALL about POWER. ;)

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By cucked people mostly mean someone who has buckled, succumbed to the Marxist/communist media brainwashing ie self hating white boy syndrome. Like the bulk of people in Sweden for example...whats the increase in rape in your country now, how many no go areas now, last time I heard it was 50 and rising.

I use my status, power and privilege to spread it outwards towards those that do not have those things.
Why do they not have those things? And why do you feel it is your job to spread civilisation?
 

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By cucked people mostly mean someone who has buckled, succumbed to the Marxist/communist media brainwashing ie self hating white boy syndrome. Like the bulk of people in Sweden for example...whats the increase in rape in your country now, how many no go areas now, last time I heard it was 50 and rising.

Ha ha ha ha. I understand. You are the brainwashed. You are aware, I hope, that the information you just repeated comes from the propaganda developed by the joint neo-Nazi political parties of Europe in an attempt to rise to power?

1. There are 0 % no go zones in Sweden.
2. Sweden has less rape than most countries in the world. In Sweden if a woman has been raped by her husband for a ten year period (most rapes happen by the husband) then EACH rape in those ten years count as 1 crime, which means the statistics represent the number of times a woman has been raped... whereas in most countries if a husband rapes his wife 100 times in ten years then statistically it is recorded as 1 rape, but in Sweden it is 100. Also in Sweden there is less shame for women to report rape. There is more support. So more women also report rape.
3. By the way, before you decide to say it: refugees are not a problem... in fact I have become richer thanks to refugees... no the problem is people like you I am afraid, but since humans always feel the need to defend themselves (myself included), this fact will not be accepted by you.

Why do they not have those things? And why do you feel it is your job to spread civilisation?

1. I do not want to spread civilisation. Civilisation is the problem.
2. Why do they not have those things? Sorry... based on the level of knowledge you have... that you have shown in these recent posts, I think it would be futile to converse any longer.

My advice to you is to continue your life with the beliefs given to you by second, third and fourth degree sources. I only converse with first degree.

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Oh I forgot to say: the media is not marxist/communist

Media is corporate, across the board. That does not mean it is capitalistic. It means it is corporate... no exceptions. Same goes for politics.

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2. Why do they not have those things? Sorry... based on the level of knowledge you have... that you have shown in these recent posts, I think it would be futile to converse any longer.

No I insist, please explain why these people are in the situation they are!

Firstly let me make two observations:

1, In terms or natural resources they are the worlds richest!

2, In terms of agriculture or farmability others have no trouble journeying there and setting up huge farms, coffee plantations etc.
 

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1. Answer: There is your answer.
2. Answer: Others? Exactly.

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I am happy to go into this debate. I have worked 18 years with these issues and been in many of these areas. Again, as I said elsewhere, direct experience is the best way to understand something.

Above you said you were happy to go into why these people are in the situation they are due to your extensive experience....and now???

Did I screw it up by pointing out that in terms of natural resources they live in the most abundant place on Earth and that others have no problem going there and setting up mega farms?

OK let me really screw it up by turning back the clock 100 years...now what?
 

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Above you said you were happy to go into why these people are in the situation they are due to your extensive experience....and now???

That was before I knew you believed in Neo-Nazi propaganda. Not saying you are one... just that you repeat their "facts". Don't worry you are not the only one, not even in this forum. The Neo-Nazi are not stupid enough to present it as Neo-Nazi propaganda. These days the public figures of such movements are in suits and women... they are not stupid. Also they are themselves only unknowingly working for the corporate agenda. Not a conspiracy... simple logic.

Did I screw it up by pointing out that in terms of natural resources they live in the most abundant place on Earth and that others have no problem going there and setting up mega farms?

Figure it out on your own if you want to. Seems to me some people can't see the forest because of the trees.

OK let me really screw it up by turning back the clock 100 years...now what?

Not far enough.

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The people of these lands are probably barely paid enough to feed themselves

The produce is only of value if grown on a massive scale. Back handers to corrupt government officials is all large corporations need to pay, and perhaps a few lobbyists.

The rain forest ecosystem is very delicately balanced as much of the nutrients are washed out of the soil by the heavy rains. The land will need constant artificial fertilization, which then runs into rivers, polluting them and spreading the destruction of the land even further. Once the land is deforested many of the indigenous species of that land are lost instantly and also many of the indigenous people with their knowledge and skills.

The crops are not there for people's survival they are there for another nations luxuries. Palm oil, coffee, tea, etc... :(

It is rape, plain and simple. Rape is a crime where I come from. These rapes are perpetrated by ignorant children who have never grown up enough to understand the fine balance of nature in the Eden which they destroy to feed there ever worsening sickness that is consumerism.


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That was before I knew you believed in Neo-Nazi propaganda. Not saying you are one

Yeah your right I am not a Neo-Nazi but perhaps the Swedish guy I had renting my house was because he said what you call fake news or Nazi news was true!

Figure it out on your own if you want to

I did remember I made my opinion public even though I know it would not be popular ie the reason that women in your art is in the situation shes in is because her man sat on his ass and didn't do what he is supposed to do which is build and make stuff. Now her only hope is for some man from across the other side of the planet to go to her country and do what her man did not or for her to flee her country to go to a place where men built shit and made stuff.

A friend of mine is a Muslim who has went with people from the local mosque to dig water wells in Africa, he has been there several times. One day I decided to ask him had he ever went back to a village to find they had dug any additional water wells by themselves...he said no they just fight over the well his guys dug.
 

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Yeah your right I am not a Neo-Nazi but perhaps the Swedish guy I had renting my house was because he said what you call fake news or Nazi news was true!

Of course he did. The Neo-Nazi political party in Sweden has 33 %+ of the vote. Propaganda works because 75 % of the Earth are sheep and idiots. It's only UKIP that failed in their efforts.

As for the rest of your comments... sure... you convinced me... niggers are really dumb.

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The people of these lands are probably barely paid enough to feed themselves

The produce is only of value if grown on a massive scale. Back handers to corrupt government officials is all large corporations need to pay, and perhaps a few lobbyists.

The rain forest ecosystem is very delicately balanced as much of the nutrients are washed out of the soil by the heavy rains. The land will need constant artificial fertilization, which then runs into rivers, polluting them and spreading the destruction of the land even further. Once the land is deforested many of the indigenous species of that land are lost instantly and also many of the indigenous people with their knowledge and skills.

The crops are not there for people's survival they are there for another nations luxuries. Palm oil, coffee, tea, etc... :(

It is rape, plain and simple. Rape is a crime where I come from. These rapes are perpetrated by ignorant children who have never grown up enough to understand the fine balance of nature in the Eden which they destroy to feed there ever worsening sickness that is consumerism.


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These places of poverty are very diverse in terms of ecology not all of these people are sitting in a rainforest. And not all of these people are paid a wage by someone else because as I said earlier some of these places there is only the locals there for thousands of miles and nobody else.

As I am a lover of nature I agree that the rape of the planet and pollution must stop. Truth is technology is being held back which would make the need of many of these resources obsolete.
 

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Of course he did. The Neo-Nazi political party in Sweden has 33 %+ of the vote. Propaganda works because 75 % of the Earth are sheep and idiots. It's only UKIP that failed in their efforts.

As for the rest of your comments... sure... you convinced me... niggers are really dumb.

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Did I say that???

I said that the males of their society did not do what men all over the planet in other countries did do which is build and that is because for whatever reason females in their society do most of the work whilst the men sit on their ass. The reason she has no water is because her man did not dig here any well. The reason she has no food is because her man did not farm. You on the other hand would like to say the reason she has no water is because someone else did it to her and the reason why she has not sufficient crops is because someone did it to her. To counter that I said roll the clock back 100 years and now I have taken your last excuse away from you ie industrialists did it to her....now who you gonna blame?