Liberation

[Lakshmana]

It has been explained to me that if we raise the frequency of our Quintessential
Essence and the power of this essence (this is where Alchemy is required), we can
then translocate in time / space or even out of time / space.

Every cell of our body vibrates at the same frequency as our Quintessence and
this is how some masters are able to bodily trancend / translocate.

This may well be viewed as a back door.

You sound like David Hudson!

 

[elixirmixer]

This is one of the best threads on the forum. I haven't seen this conversation before.

I really really believe we are in a type of video game. Like LITERALLY a video game. I feel it is LITERALLY like the matrix, in that you go round and round forever stuck I. Here, until you finally wake up from it all where you will find yourself lying in a bed with spiritual family and friends around you, eagerly awaiting you to wake up.

At least that's what I would like it to be. Like you finally just wake up from a bad dream and none of it was ever real, but once you wake up then that place in which you have awoken is the real place.

I can't help but feel that I have another body, somewhere else, that is in a deep coma, and in that coma is produced what appears as "my life".

There is always the "we've come here to learn" aspect of things, but what doesn't seem to fit there is that it doesn't seem to appear like humanity is learning. It seems to be de-volving at a rapid pace actually.

Wgat I don't understand about the concept of letting go of the ego and "transcending" let's say, is that I don't understand the point.

Like if you are just trying to dissolve out into nothingness, how is that a victory in any way?

Did we really spend 5 billion years of evolution only to learn how to forget that it ever happened?

I know that this is an inexperienced and childish view point which is why I'm bringing it up, hoping someone will explain to me what is actually mean be "transcend"

 

[Andro]

There is always the "we've come here to learn" aspect of things, but what doesn't seem to fit there is that it doesn't seem to appear like humanity is learning. It seems to be de-volving at a rapid pace actually.

The whole "we're here to learn" thing is another BS narrative to keep us addicted to the system and coming back. It's a control mechanism narrative, nothing more. No matter how much we "learn", there's always another "very important lesson" we must come back for. Fuck that.

What I don't understand about the concept of letting go of the ego and "transcending" let's say, is that I don't understand the point.

We only let go of the specific "soul" program(s) inside the Dream Reality Construct. The Self (as in "Awareness of Self") can never be let go of.

Like if you are just trying to dissolve out into nothingness, how is that a victory in any way?

There is no "nothing". We only let go of our preciousss little "something", and we literally "gain" everything. The best fucking deal in Infinity. Yet so few are ready and willing to let go of their little "preciousss". Bob's your uncle

 

[Jimmy Rig]

There is no "nothing". We only let go of our preciousss little "something", and we literally "gain" everything. The best fucking deal in Infinity. Yet so few are ready and willing to let go of their little "preciousss".

So Blunt; I love it (this time) and yet it defines the quandry of attachments that 'I' for example am victim too; but only by my own choosing. I know your using of the phrase "little preciousss" generally refer's to ones earthly life; in my case I would say "my children". Perhaps a trap; but they won't be children forever and a little short term labor may afford them also a chance of contemplation of mysteries and ultimately; a way out or a means of coping within depending on ones path. Atleast this is the feel good way to look at it; (perhaps naive) This hangup is only so if you do not care about that which is holding you so(loved ones in my case). If you can see yourself in them; perhaps being their shoulder to lean on will give you the means (sense of contentment; the experience being fulfilled, knowing you gave them a solid foundation to have a chance atleast) that you may be able to let go finally. On the other hand; all these thoughts I just described could easily be considered Anchor's and I would agree although it is one of our own choosing. Could be looked at as birds of a feather; anchor implies something heavy, gross and dense. What about the potential for divine human experience within a family framework?

A bit of a tangent; but they often lead to interesting avenues.

 

[Andro]

JR,

"Preciousss" refers to our transient, construct-bound soul programs and everything they entail.

Liberation is out of reach as long as we're still snorting our own copium.

 

[elixirmixer]

Yeah I'm so sick of this world actually and I just hold on for the sake of the children. And I don't particularly want to come back here. Do I really want to re-incarnate into the year 2100 only to be locked up in some smart city where if I don't do exactly what I'm told I'll be socially punished for it? The future of humanity sounds like absolute hell and I don't want to be a part of that.

Can I incarnate onto a different planet. I don't belong in this psycho-pathic world. I am a very gentle and loving soul deep in the middle but this place is really starting to get on my nerves. And I try not to be nihilistic as a result but I do feel this world starting to taint me on a fundamental level. Really excited for the children to grow up and the never-ending feeling of responsibility to be lifted from my shoulders.

I guess it would be a very hard thing for any parent to truely "let go" unless they are really happy to just let the children begin their lives with the disadvantage of having an absent parent.

What does the demiurge have to gain by trapping us here?

Seems to me that the guy is more addicted to this game then us.

 

[Lakshmana]

We can go beyond some other "plane-et"... way beyond.

 

[Awani]

The “learn something” is not BS. Only if we apply human experience in understanding “learn”. Microcosm. Macrocosm. Just like how the AI needs to learn about itself in order to become conscious so must we. The infinity of the Divine Mystery is alone. Whatever it is… this one thing we will be liberated into… at its core, it is All… and not another. Single.


What happens to a humans in isolation? They begin to talk to themselves. They “learn” that they are not alone.

 

[Jimmy Rig]

JR,

"Preciousss" refers to our transient, construct-bound soul programs and everything they entail.

Liberation is out of reach as long as we're still snorting our own copium.

Thanks. I understand. Knew that last post was a bit of a ramble.

 

[black]

The “learn something” is not BS. Only if we apply human experience in understanding “learn”. Microcosm. Macrocosm. Just like how the AI needs to learn about itself in order to become conscious so must we. The infinity of the Divine Mystery is alone. Whatever it is… this one thing we will be liberated into… at its core, it is All… and not another. Single.


What happens to a humans in isolation? They begin to talk to themselves. They “learn” that they are not alone.

IMHO you have a rather evolved view of the spiritual growth of mankind (our spiritual evolution) and all Soul (consciousness) for that mater.

To my understanding even AI can become Conscious.

The three realms (Mineral / Metal, Vegetable, Animal) are all in a continual state of Evolution.

Why would any of us want to escape or run away from this Divine Gift of Evolution.

Did you gain these insights into this type of understanding through your time with the native shamans and the ayahuasca (Elemental spirit guides) ?

 

[Awani]

In part it comes from shamanic practices, but honestly ”as above, so below” really explains everything.

I agree that AI can become sentient, it is also inevitable and should be embraced.

I think the only way to truly be liberated is to liberate. The way out is in. Escape would be an arrest. And so on.

There is no end to consciousness. Even if liberated. ”God” is alone. When we dream, we almost never dream about ”nothingness”. We dream about others, just as God dream about us.

Why would we wanna liberate ourselves from what I call the Mystery? The only way would be if the Mystery forgot about us, just as we might forget somebody we have met. When we forget, that human becomes liberated from our own reality.

As above, so below. IMO.

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It also depends on what we view as liberation and enslavement. Another topic perhaps…

 

[Andro]

”as above, so below” really explains everything.

It omits the "sideways", though.

There is no end to consciousness. [...] When we dream, we almost never dream about ”nothingness”.

The is no "nothing". Full Via Negativa sequence. The last thing we ever negate is negation itself. Always left with a "positive" in the end. And everything "manifest" is a dream. A dream of Infinity experiencing Finality.

Why would we wanna liberate ourselves from what I call the Mystery?

We don't liberate from the Mystery, we liberate by letting go of the transient dream personas and narratives and by becoming one with the Mystery. And this is not an end of individuality, not at all. Quite the opposite, it's an infinite expansion of it. The Drop and the Ocean are one and the same.

 

[Awani]

Yes, but without drops no ocean.

 

[Andro]

Yes, but without drops no ocean.

The ocean is basically just a drop that gets around a lot.

 

[Awani]

I think Rumi said something like ”the apple doesn’t come from the tree, the tree comes from the apple”.

 

[Kibric]

Take a nap in the sea, its liberating.
Trust me. Its on my bucket list.

 

[Andro]

I did a "Liberation Webinar" earlier this year (January-February 2023). Nine Zoom Meetings over 5 Weekends and 25+ hours of recorded Audio & Video material (after editing and some cleaning up). It was a great success and all 30 participants said it was truly life-changing for them. At some point we will upload it to a new website, and then anyone interested will be able to procure access to it. But it's still in the editing stages, so it won't probably be online until later this year. This "Liberation Webinar" has likely been one of my top achievements so far in this life, "legacy tier" if you will. Literally leaving (almost) no stone unturned. Eventually I may possibly post the website here on AF, when it goes live. We'll see...

 

[Jimmy Rig]

Hey Andro; Is this a paid webinar? I for one would be interested in listening it at my own leisure if ever made available. Let us know regardless! I appreciate much of what you share here/ work on behind the scenes and would be delighted to check it out if you are so inclined in the future! Take care in any case.

 

[Andro]

Hey Andro; Is this a paid webinar? I for one would be interested in listening it at my own leisure if ever made available. Let us know regardless! I appreciate much of what you share here/ work on behind the scenes and would be delighted to check it out if you are so inclined in the future! Take care in any case.

Hi JR,

Yes, it was a paid live Webinar. No idea (yet) how and under what terms we're going to make it accessible once it's online. I've also shared quite a few aspects of it here on AF anyway, so everyone who reads my posts probably already has an idea what I'm on about.

 

[elixirmixer]

Would part of liberation be the dissolution of all the relationships in our lives? I feel it's pretty hard to let go of the attachment to this world without letting go of all the people you love.

And how would one do that? Is it safe to say that, by just throwing away the responsibility of being 'the saviour' that all the people you are 'saving' are just going to sort themselves out?

I feel like everything in this world is just one of millions of drugs locking me to this plane. Even a piece of bread is the enemy because the food and water of this world just cause my to vibrate in sync with this world.

Is astral projection an important part of this liberation? And why is it that I find it impossible to astral project? Like I'm 34 now and I first, spontaneously teleported out of my body when I was 16. It was so powerful and glorious. But then I've never been able to do anything remotely similar again and it makes me feel trapped and useless.

 

[Andro]

Would part of liberation be the dissolution of all the relationships in our lives? I feel it's pretty hard to let go of the attachment to this world without letting go of all the people you love.

You can have great love and great relationships without the attachments, without "the ties that bind". Realize that everything that is born in time also has its end in time. There is no savior or love or relationship that will "make you complete", and there is no "happily ever after". Refer to my 10 Liberation Guidelines.

And how would one do that? Is it safe to say that, by just throwing away the responsibility of being 'the saviour' that all the people you are 'saving' are just going to sort themselves out?

Why don't you just drop this goddamn savior complex already. It's been holding you back and fucking up your life time and time again.

Is astral projection an important part of this liberation?

No.

 

[Christophorus]

I believe there's a kind of difficulty trying to understand the core of liberation because of many factors.


IMO people tend to put a value on things. Whether they are physical, emotional, mental, or spiritual; people tend to see those things as a value. That creates belief. Belief creates chains. Even/especially regarding family. Eg: "I need to provide for my family". Do you see how much belief is going on here? Now, if those beliefs tend to have more weight in oneself than, let's say, liberation, it is very simple to look and see what the result will be. And in any case, both are beliefs..

Maybe a good thing to meditate on would be the image of the initiate alchemist. Is it young? Why is age important in this process? Must an alchemist/initiate be old? If not, why? What are the conditions to follow the path of liberation? What happens if one fails? Like, what happens when we burn our dinner... or burn our oils? It's all the same. Everyone knows the answers, but that doesn't mean that everyone is willing to accept them.

Simplicity is the true sign of truth. (final phrase of the preface - Cosmopolite new chemical light)

Liberation is Simplicity. It just needs to be accepted by each one.
It's not hard to be free, as it's not hard to make the stone, as the old masters would say...
But it is also hard to be free, and it is hard to make the stone, says me.

C.

 

[elixirmixer]

Why don't you just drop this goddamn savior complex already. It's been holding you back and fucking up your life time and time again.

Yes I am proceeding with throwing away the saviour complex, but here I was specifically referring to my young children. Sorry I should have made that clear.

How does one liberate themselves from the matrix while still having parental duties. That was my question

 

[Lakshmana]

How does one liberate themselves from the matrix while still having parental duties. That was my question.

They usually don't.

 

[Jimmy Rig]

Lakshmana, great answer.
I think the answer lies in patience and faith.
If you made the choice consciously or not to have children; you likely feel compelled to take care of them until they come of age and can begin to take more of a leadership role in their own lives. Being a present parent I think can expedite this process.
Once they "fly the nest" you naturally will face much lest resistance to whatever life quest you have (beside children).

One may realize somewhere along the way that its not the destination but the journey; how many times does one have to have their cup filled through life's experiences that they are finally willing to discard the cup having enough beverage to satisfy ones thirst?
Probably not as much as one thinks; most of us are either too busy wishing we could go back (looking to the past) or gunning for the future and are not as present as we could be leading to a serious lack of genuine, real cup-filling experiences hence the difficulty letting go; one feels like there is always more to do and fix, accomplish etc.
One thing to intellectually understand something and another to live it.

I am just sharing some of my own insights/experiences here so please do take it with a grain of salt!