Liberation

[Andro]

Preliminary Note: This thread is primarily aimed for those with an active interest in Liberation, and particularly in a context that is tangential and complementary to the genuine Bön/Dzogchen traditions.
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It is my own deep inner-standing that the purpose for being "trapped" in this Reality-Labyrinth is to find a way to escape it. Like a puzzle or a riddle to solve, in a way.

EVERYTHING else that doesn't assist or lead towards this end is essentially irrelevant and useless, basically a Distraction.

"Sin & Redemption", "Good/Bad" Deeds, "Karma", belief in any "god", religion or "savior" - ALL those are completely irrelevant and part of the Reality Labyrinth Design.

As long as we still have an "account" in the System, we are ALWAYS in debt. This doesn't mean we should start killing and plundering, but it also doesn't mean we shouldn't.

And while the "gods" (including the Judaeo-Christian one/s) are very much "real" within this System Construct, they are ALL just as trapped in here as we are.

This being said, Detached Compassion is a naturally emerging Quality upon such an Illuminating, Satori-Level Realization.

Also, we have to acquire/manifest the optimal (for us) conditions to facilitate this Endeavor. For this, we can use means such as Magick, Dream Practice, etc...

Upon completing a Full Exit, one of three possibilities might occur:

Option 1: Your Exit will be remembered and documented by various traditions and/or researchers.

Option 2: Your entire existence in this Construct will be entirely erased from the System Memory.

Option 3: There will manifest an NPC (Non-Player Character) Replica as a placeholder for your Dissolved/Departed Avatar.

The Exit Mechanism is ultimately quite simple and comparable to a Hand Grenade, once you have successfully navigated to it:

1. Locate the "Safety Pin" that keeps your whole "System Image" ID Construct together.

(it's very well hidden and can take many lifetimes to find - if at all, with all the deliberately misleading paths, all the dead ends and distractions...)​

2. Remove the "Safety Pin" (one may have to access a certain state of consciousness to do so).

3. Let Go (this part may be the most difficult of them all).

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Bye Bye.

 

[Awani]

This doesn't mean we should start killing and plundering, but it also doesn't mean we shouldn't.

Actually in my view it means we shouldn't. Unconditional compassion is but one state that would lead to liberation. Even if someone hacked you to pieces you should still sit there smiling without any hate or fear. Without unconditional compassion no one will escape fuck all.

Liberation would have to occur in the moment of death, or right after. I do not think it is possible to "vanish" out of thin air. Such skills cannot be acquired here on Earth, and those that have those skills (if there are such individuals) wouldn't be here on Earth in the first place... unless they are here like Avatars trying to mentor humans towards liberation. Perhaps there are one or two of these currently, but I doubt it.

However if your model is correct, then I would assume "option 3" to be what happens.

Would you view Buddha having left the cycle of death and rebirth to have become liberated, or do you view Buddha as trapped in the system (assuming everything about the Buddha is what truly happened)?

 

[Andro]

Actually in my view it means we shouldn't. Unconditional compassion is but one state that would lead to liberation. Even if someone hacked you to pieces you should still sit there smiling without any hate or fear. Without unconditional compassion no one will escape fuck all.

Read the rest of what I wrote. If your "account" is closed (or at least deactivated), NONE of it matters, heal or kill, one way or another.

And YET, with this realization there is a naturally occurring emergence of DETACHED Compassion. If you have to add anything to "unconditional" (love, compassion, etc...), then it's no longer "unconditional".

It's not WHAT you do, it's HOW you do it and from what State of Being.

My own Sojourn in this Realm may conclude sooner than might have been "expected". Revelations, Initiations, Experiences and Preparations abound. I will keep speaking and sharing while I'm still around.

 

[Seraphim]

It sounds like The Matrix?

 

[Jimmy Rig]

Hi Andro,

Thank you for your post;
I had a strange experience; last night as I was drifting off (every night, lying in bed is my "time" to make sure I am still.)
I had so much on my mind yesterday; distractions, dead-ends and labyrinths ..
The world is turning around me but I am ready to step off the wheel.

Anways to my experience,
I suppose I was sleeping enough to have a dream/vision (but It felt that I was still awake.) that I had walked down to my basement and ingested the white stone.
Instantly my body started floating off the floor and my perception changed.
I closed my eyes and was flooded with light, then the spinning began and I knew that I was leaving this place.
Then I remembered all the ties, had a moment of trepidation and opened my eyes.

It was over, but I wanted it to come back.
This was not my first time having this sort-of experience but this was the most intense that I can remember.
I think this corresponds to my safety pin but the letting go part is not as easy.
With the state of the "matrix" "labyrinth" currently, I feel that an exit is becoming more possible for those who are becoming more and more detached from "normal" human experience. (NPC's / sleeping avatars?)

I tend to view much of what is going on around us from a "biblical" perspective, and do believe that the writings in the sacred texts have meaning in regards to what you are speaking of here.

"And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."

Your mentioning of an Avatar and NPC's touches on the John 3:13 quote I just inserted.
In order to leave your avatar behind, you need to be a driver in the first place.

Either way thanks for the post Andro.

Do you feel that you are almost ready to let go?

 

[Awani]

In order to leave your avatar behind, you need to be a driver in the first place.

And how can you be sure there ain't a driver driving the driver?

 

[Seth-Ra]

If you realize you are liberated, then do you need to liberate yourself? Did you ever need to? Or was the idea of doing so the chain that kept you from it?
Just pondering and adding food for thought.

 

[Jimmy Rig]

And how can you be sure there ain't a driver driving the driver?

Now that is going beyond the question! But I suppose I cannot be sure.

However I would consider the spirit to drive the body; and the father or God or source etc to drive the spirit.


But Andro was speaking of a level outside of all of these concepts so to speak; though for me God is not a man on a cloud he is the all encompassing divinity that runs through all of existence material and immaterial.

Seth-Ra;

I like your line of thinking;
The only thing holding one from being sovereign or free is the idea that they weren't in the first place.
I wonder if this concept Andro is speaking of "liberation" is more of a lessening of the self and a casting forth of your will back to its source. (sovereignty would be a prerequisite to this phase IMO, you need to be behind the wheel to steer back to shore. ) Once you resonate with the core of existence, you are allowed to maintain your identity but are no longer at odds or in entropy with the creation as a whole.
I know that some of you are not particularly attached to religious teaching which is fine; however IMO there is a lot of truth to be found in the texts themselves.
But we need to be careful with the interpretations. He will tell you if you are on the right track.

Jesus while certainly a liberated individual in the flesh- committed his soul (and freewill) to his father (God) on the cross, thus liberating himself from the physical flesh.
His return three days later IMO is akin to option #1 on Andro's list.

 

[Andro]

His return three days later IMO is akin to option #1 on Andro's list.

Yes. Great example of Option 1, if we take the story literally (which I would certainly not rule out).

Another documented case is from 1934, of Shardza Tashi Gyaltsen. He is said to have achieved Liberation at death, and apparently did not opt to be seen again.

Most do not opt to show themselves again, but some do.

If/when they do, the form/manifestation would be entirely different, not anything like a common "incarnation", but it can be willed to appear/manifest as seemingly "solid" or any other state.

At this point, Spirit is no longer ruled or contained by ANY form (including the Archontic/Demiurgic Implant misleadingly called "Higher Self", which got so much propaganda in various New Age movements, even to this day).

I do not yet know at this point what determines which one of the options is activated. It may be the Will of the Liberated Being, but this is something I haven't directly seen so far.

 

[Andro]

And how can you be sure there ain't a driver driving the driver?

There is a "driver" or "Puppet-master", who needs to be fired ASAP. Like Freddy Krueger driving the School Bus in Nightmare on Elm Street.

Some refer to is as "Soul", others as "Higher Self".

Either way, it's a parasitical "implant" to keep you in the game and whisper misleading dead ends in you ears. No wonder it received so much press in the occult revivals of the last 2 centuries.

For all intents and purposes, "Soul" or "Higher Self" is the "Demiurge" of the microcosm.

"Soul" is the Shell, it is the Construct of Apparent Forms, it is the Master Implant, the DNA of all our personas and personifications, the "Sword in the Stone" (or the "Safety Pin" that needs to be removed), it is the Chakra System, etc... In Alchemical terms, it is the "Sulfur" that needs to be cast into Our Fire (Spirit), so it can literally DIE and be "re-born" in Spirit. This is not "religious" talk, this is purely technical.

"Spirit", on the other hand, is the Monad, the Drop in the Universal Ocean. Spirit has NO "higher self", "lower self", "sideways self", etc...

They are NOT the same.

To illustrate:

Higher Self:

Soul Program/ID Implant within the Spirit Monad (illustration):

 

[Andro]

If you realize you are liberated, then do you need to liberate yourself? Did you ever need to? Or was the idea of doing so the chain that kept you from it?
Just pondering and adding food for thought.

When playing a computer game, it's not enough to "realize" that we have completed the final level. We actually have to reach the final level and complete it. Otherwise, the "game" will reboot from the start.

This being said, if the idea/concept of Liberation becomes a chain or an attachment (rather than a fully natural 24/7 practice), it's rendered completely useless.

 

[Andro]

A significant distinction: "Liberation" is NOT the same as "Ascension".

To illustrate:

Ascension: Taking the elevator to the next floor in the same building.

Liberation: Elvis has left the building.

 

[black]

Thank you for this thread Mr. Andro, now we are starting to Rock n Roll.

Lets lace up our dancing shoes and see how many ego's we can step on as we sortthe wheat from the chaff, so to speak.

My feeling is there's going to be more than a few people somewhat taken aback by this thread.

Most of this worlds population can't handle the truth and that's one of the reasons they keep incarnating over and over again.

 

[Awani]

Would you view Buddha having left the cycle of death and rebirth to have become liberated, or do you view Buddha as trapped in the system (assuming everything about the Buddha is what truly happened)?

 

[Andro]

Would you view Buddha having left the cycle of death and rebirth to have become liberated, or do you view Buddha as trapped in the system (assuming everything about the Buddha is what truly happened)?

I don't know and I don't have a view.

 

[Awani]

Most of this worlds population can't handle the truth and that's one of the
reasons they keep incarnating over and over again.

The fact that someone doesn't want to incarnate again I don't think would qualify for liberation, rather further incarnations. Argument could be made that that is part of the game/lie, but to give an allegory: just because I want to be a pilot doesn't mean I should be one, not unless I go through the proper training.

 

[black]

The fact that someone doesn't want to incarnate again I don't think would qualify for liberation, rather further incarnations. Argument could be made that that is part of the game/lie, but to give an allegory: just because I want to be a pilot doesn't mean I should be one, not unless I go through the proper training.

My view is that this world is a training ground/boot camp and when you pass the challenges and have evolved to a sufficient level you get to go home ... perhaps.

What can really rock some peoples boat is "Do we have a choice".

 

[Awani]

"Do we have a choice".

I think we are bound to a fate we ourselves chose.

 

[Andro]

My view is that this world is a training ground/boot camp and when you pass the challengers
and have evolved to a sufficient level you get to go home ... perhaps.

It's neither a school nor a training ground. It's more like a game, a riddle, a puzzle to be solved. An adventure for a hacker. A treasure hunt, if you will.

There is nothing to be "learned" by Spirit. Spirit does not "evolve". Outside of the illusions of time and form, Spirit is (All-Ready) eternally perfect. And yet, it enjoys a good game. And ours is a particularly addictive one.

But the purpose of the "Game" is not to "learn" anything, because for Spirit there is nothing to "learn". The purpose is to For-Get, Re-Member & Re-Turn.

What can really rock some peoples boat is "Do we have a choice".

We have a choice the moment we realize the actual Challenge of the Game (which has NOTHING to do with "learning" or "evolving") and we surrender to the Path of Return.

Then we become the Path and every moment becomes a practice of Re-membering, no matter what we do and where we do it, no matter if we are physically "awake" or "asleep", etc...

As long as we still believe there is something/anything for Spirit to "learn" or to "evolve" into, we are still asleep and are missing the entire point.

 

[black]

It's neither a school nor a training ground. It's more like a game, a riddle, a puzzle to be solved. An adventure for a hacker. A treasure hunt, if you will.

OK, I can run with that for now.

There is nothing to be "learned" by Spirit. Spirit does not "evolve".

Correct that Spirit does not evolve ... But Soul (Quintessence) does.
It is essential in Alchemy that we know the difference between Spirit and Soul.

Outside of the illusions of time and form, Spirit is (All-Ready) eternally perfect. And yet, it enjoys a good game. And ours is a particularly addictive one.

Yes how very true this statement is Mr. Andro, possibly 99.99% of our Evolution is about transcending our addictions of the material.

But the purpose of the "Game" is not to "learn" anything, because for Spirit there is nothing to "learn". The purpose is to For-Get, Re-Member & Re-Turn.

And again I can run with this for now.

We have a choice the moment we realize the actual Challenge of the Game (which has NOTHING to do with "learning" or "evolving") and we surrender to the Path of Return.
Then we become the Path and every moment becomes a practice of Re-membering, no matter what we do and where we do it, no matter if we are physically "awake" or "asleep", etc...
As long as we still believe there is something/anything for Spirit to "learn" or to "evolve" into, we are still asleep and are missing the entire point.

I will come back to some of these points a little latter and also expand on what has been written earlier.

There is a lot to cover with this topic and it will take some time to get some pieces written with the clarity that is required.

 

[black]

I think we are bound to a fate we ourselves chose.

"we ourselves chose" .... is this referring to WE the Collective as in "The ALL"/ "The ONE".

 

[Awani]

Could be on the larger scale, I just meant that the life I have now was decided by "me" before I was born.

 

[Jimmy Rig]

I will come back to some of these points a little latter and also expand on what has been
written earlier.

There is a lot to cover with this topic and it will take some time to get some pieces
written with the clarity that is required.

Hi Black,

I mirror your sentiments; it is not an easy task to break down this subject in words.
The other part is that I often believe more commentators are capable of comprehending the subject matter and may even have innerstanding of it, but expressing it in a form digestable by others "on the level" can be difficult.

I can say briefly though that Andro your insights are very interesting and I mostly agree, though I had never looked at the soul as the demiurge however I can see what you are getting it. The gnostic texts / extra biblical speak of the 7 planes and the aeons of light which preceded all of that. (The "planes" being an off-shoot of unbalanced creation distinct from and appearing after the original light-world with a fraction of its(aeon's of light) energy trapped inside.)From reading Andro's description of the soul I can relate it to being akin to the non-physical sub-level or false backdrop to turn the experiencing individual back around into the loop, or to parasite off of the spirits momentum by offering a destination that is not the true destination but rather a cardboard cutout. (I.e. you are seeking and find your "chakras,higher self" instead of your liberated spirit- since the former is easier and more direct than the latter. )

But as I am saying right now.. Cheap does not mean complete.

I am by no means an authority on this, but the thread is bringing me back to concepts I have not looked at in some time-I hope you guys can pick-up on what I am trying to express.

Black; I also believe this is a thread that might go above for some indeed.

Thankyou for putting this out there Andro and others.

 

[Jimmy Rig]

Could be on the larger scale, I just meant that the life I have now was decided by "me" before I was born.

Awani, I just had an idea that you could be the large squid being that Andro posted earlier.

If you've got your tentacles in the cookie jar of life and you picked your life. That makes you the squid in Andro's rendition hahaha.

I am not being serious of course.



Change your avatar?

 

[black]

Could be on the larger scale, I just meant that the life I have now was decided by "me" before I was born.

I used to think that also ... it was quite comforting to think I had some control.