. Let us dream!

[Merovee]

Jimmy, I think it's better I respond to the dream here, because it's a completely different and separate issue.

Jimmy Rig wrote:
I had a dream last night of finding an old flask shaped like a snowman (large round bottom with a slightly smaller sphere on top and regular opening above that) which had some water left in it for an untold amount of time. It was in the crawlspace of the house we just moved out of. I found it in a box and was very excited because I had forgotten all about it and had gotten some old experiments back. I then noticed that what was water before had congealed into a brownish earth, circularly encrusted at the bottom of the vessel. I then picked a focal point In the middle of the material and struck it with.. my eyes? I am not sure what the proper terminology here is(a hidden light?). Immediately I witnessed a small pool of red liquid in the middle and it then began to splot in various places the patch of dried water. It looked like blood. The dream then jumped to me licking a few drops of it off the side of my hand, between the thumb and index finger but closer to the wrist, like the salt licking maneuver of a tequila shot and it did not have any particular taste. Then I had another dream that I do not remember any visuals but a message simply stated "royalty is protected" whatever that means.

This was strange as I had not spent too much time thinking on these matters the day or two prior as we were very busy packing and moving.
I just thought I would mention it while it is fresh, it seems like it was significant for me but perhaps it is just my subconscious playing on the echo chambers of my own waking thoughts.

DON'T! EVER! IGNORE! A! DREAM!
Does not the Mutus Liber also begin with Jacob dreaming? And are not the angels ascending and descending the ladder of heaven the heavenly messengers who are to awaken him, that is, to raise his dream into consciousness? And, to ask a final question, is this not meant as a message to all alchemists?
The subconscious relates to the conscious as infinity to one. The Consciousness is known and familiar to us, the subconscious mind, on the other hand, is strange, dark and has a threatening effect on our conscious mind. It is as if we are standing in a lighted room and outside it is night. If we look out of the window, we perceive just a faint glow in the vicinity of the window, but beyond it there is only blackness that reaches into infinity (I know this, I spent several years in the solitude of Patagonia). This corresponds to the relationship between consciousness and subconsciousness. We can also use the sea as a comparison, where the consciousness is the surface and the depth of the sea is the subconsciousness.
But we are not only our consciousness, we are also our subconsciousness, yes, even more, it is our very nature. The conscious mind is merely the part of the subconscious that is familiar to us. To dream, then, is to awaken; the further we penetrate into the unconscious and become conscious, the nearer we approach the awakening of the actual and true self. The secret light that is spoken of again and again is the light of the awakening, the light that shines into the darkness of the subconscious.
One might think that dreams emerge from the unconscious, but in fact we (our consciousness) immerse ourselves in the subconscious. Now when we dream, we get an altered consciousness that is not limited to his external, conditioned personality. If we penetrate further in deep sleep, this consciousness fades and we become what we would actually be without the external compulsion, our actual being or individual (of which our external being is only a screwed-up shrunken figure, without wanting to offend anyone now).

It is said that in this phase(sleep phase III and IV) we do not dream, but this is not quite correct, it is just that our consciousness is completely merged with the dream (or the unconscious). Everything is pure spirit and takes place on a transcendental level. If we wake up at this moment and allow ourselves some rest, we notice something quite strange. We then know that we have dreamed something, also what we have dreamed, but we are unable to formulate it, indeed, we cannot even think it, and our own thoughts fall into a collecting confusion. All that we have preserved of it seems indescribable to us and comparable to nothing. Eventually it fades again and blows away like a faint breeze.
But in the deepest point of deep sleep, we touch the threshold to the cosmic origin, eternity or nirvana, which lies beyond our ideas of paradise. To cross this threshold would mean to merge with Brahman or the divine consciousness, there would no longer be any difference between it and us. You see, we are actually very close to it.
This threshold is nothing other than the point of our procreation, and this is not to be sought sometime in the past, for it is not lost somewhere and sometime in space and time. This point is always present, it is the centre of our natur and being. Through it we have stepped out of eternity and through it we return to it. Everything larger than this point is annihilated, and everything smaller than this point fills all infinity.

Your special dream:

I think you know, that the cavity under the house is the "treasure cave", the uterus inside of Mother Earth, a very deep level of the subconsciousness. Well, the Taoists speak of a mysterious place which resembles a grotto and is called Tung-fang, the bridal chamber. This grotto, they explain, is located on a pass between the peaks of a double mountain (in the shape of a pumpkin like a double cone), which they equate with the mystical world mountain K'un-lun Shan (Mountain of the West Sea), which is the island of the divine mother and the immortals (the Xian). From this grotto, which they also compare to a secret chamber, a strange, polar light shines incessantly, which our eyes cannot perceive and yet fills the entire universe.
Of course, it is a mystical place, but P'ei-wen Yün-fu explains it further, saying that the one who returns to himself to plant the cinnabar seed will discover that the whole of heaven and earth is in his own body and has the shape of a double cone. Exactly there, in the middle of this microcosm, is now hidden the most secret dwelling of being, a room, square and at the same time round, one inch in size. This tiny, secret chamber is also called the heavenly heart.
The kingdom is protected is actually something like a code and means: the time you have been waiting for is now dawning (it’s the same meaning as the Buddha is in the park).
Red is the colour of fire, and so the blood is also close to fire. The sprinkling could mean that flames are spreading, just see in it a kind of supernatural fire that is not destructive (like the fire of the burning bush). When a practising mystic dreams something like this, it indicates the imminent "baptism" by spirit and fire. For a working alchemist it is different, he should decipher in it a clue to what he is dealing with at that time. I don't know if you are actually at that stage where the "blood" plays an important role, but you should find that out for yourself.
If it's important to you, there are two types, a rose-coloured one and a red one that has a golden shimmer.
sl

 

[Blacksmith]

lately in my dreams a color pattern repeats itself: yellow blue red and white

 

[Merovee]

Blue and black mean the same thing in alchemy, so they are usually interchangeable.

 

[Andro]

To cross this threshold would mean to merge with Brahman or the divine consciousness

Have "you" consciously crossed this threshold? ("you" is a poor word choice in the beyond-the-threshold context)

Have you observed its color and texture? (of the threshold)

a double mountain (in the shape of a pumpkin like a double cone)

Like this?

 

[Jimmy Rig]

Have "you" consciously crossed this threshold? ("you" is a poor word choice in the beyond-the-threshold context)

Have you observed its color and texture? (of the threshold)



Like this?

Hi Andro,

I think so yes. If I close my eyes I can see this shape sometimes though in a more 2d representation. The outline is silvery white and the insides of the cones are black as are the outsides. I should mention that if I allow this experience to continue I feel as if I am spinning though aware that my body is sitting stationary.

My grandparents had an egg timer hour glass at their place and I was obsessed with it as a child. They are in clubs so to speak and have reminded me of this as an adult a few times.(the hourglass) not the clubs, they don't really talk about that much.

Merovee, I have to read your post over some more and will get back to you but thank-you for your detailed reply. I do not at the present understand all that you wrote but am okay with this. Tonight I am going to sit down and take it slow with this topic. Thanks for the input guys.

 

[Andro]

I think so yes. If I close my eyes I can see this shape sometimes though in a more 2d representation.

Actually this was addressed to Merovee, but your input is appreciated.

You might also find this thread interesting: Above & Below WHAT?

 

[Merovee]

My dear Andro, you ever want to know everything very precisely, I admit that you (as always) immediately found the crux and put your finger on it.
However, I’m a little surprised, do you really mean by your question whether I have succeeded in reaching the place that only the completely liberated can attain? You do realise that I can only negate that, don't you? I can only say one thing: I have indeed had a few unusual experiences (as have other spiritual seekers), including experiencing an extraordinary state of the deepest trance that led me to a place that was undoubtedly meant for me, but which obviously only lasted a few seconds, because I found myself at about the same time. But that doesn't mean anything if you move orthogonally to time.

What you are showing can be seen as a cosmic diagram, but I don't know if one perceives it that way, at least I have never experienced anything like that. Are you thinking of duality and non-duality? For my part, I couldn't commit myself, for me it would be (in relation to what I had mentioned) rather an amalgamation of all the innumerable splinters, perhaps also children playing on the shore of wisdom or simply a garden, without actually being all that. Look at your diagram from the side, you can see the symbols of fire and water, neither of which can represent that place of which it’s said that no one can say the least thing about it. In any case, this double cone (of which I spoke) is actually an image of this world, it shows heaven and earth or just the fundamental duality, both in the macrocosm and in the microcosm.
But if you show it here, surely, I can assume that you have experienced it in this way? Can you tell me something about?

 

[Jimmy Rig]

Jimmy, I think it's better I respond to the dream here, because it's a completely different and separate issue.



DON'T! EVER! IGNORE! A! DREAM!
Does not the Mutus Liber also begin with Jacob dreaming? And are not the angels ascending and descending the ladder of heaven the heavenly messengers who are to awaken him, that is, to raise his dream into consciousness? And, to ask a final question, is this not meant as a message to all alchemists?
The subconscious relates to the conscious as infinity to one. The Consciousness is known and familiar to us, the subconscious mind, on the other hand, is strange, dark and has a threatening effect on our conscious mind. It is as if we are standing in a lighted room and outside it is night. If we look out of the window, we perceive just a faint glow in the vicinity of the window, but beyond it there is only blackness that reaches into infinity (I know this, I spent several years in the solitude of Patagonia). This corresponds to the relationship between consciousness and subconsciousness. We can also use the sea as a comparison, where the consciousness is the surface and the depth of the sea is the subconsciousness.
But we are not only our consciousness, we are also our subconsciousness, yes, even more, it is our very nature. The conscious mind is merely the part of the subconscious that is familiar to us. To dream, then, is to awaken; the further we penetrate into the unconscious and become conscious, the nearer we approach the awakening of the actual and true self. The secret light that is spoken of again and again is the light of the awakening, the light that shines into the darkness of the subconscious.
One might think that dreams emerge from the unconscious, but in fact we (our consciousness) immerse ourselves in the subconscious. Now when we dream, we get an altered consciousness that is not limited to his external, conditioned personality. If we penetrate further in deep sleep, this consciousness fades and we become what we would actually be without the external compulsion, our actual being or individual (of which our external being is only a screwed-up shrunken figure, without wanting to offend anyone now).

It is said that in this phase(sleep phase III and IV) we do not dream, but this is not quite correct, it is just that our consciousness is completely merged with the dream (or the unconscious). Everything is pure spirit and takes place on a transcendental level. If we wake up at this moment and allow ourselves some rest, we notice something quite strange. We then know that we have dreamed something, also what we have dreamed, but we are unable to formulate it, indeed, we cannot even think it, and our own thoughts fall into a collecting confusion. All that we have preserved of it seems indescribable to us and comparable to nothing. Eventually it fades again and blows away like a faint breeze.
But in the deepest point of deep sleep, we touch the threshold to the cosmic origin, eternity or nirvana, which lies beyond our ideas of paradise. To cross this threshold would mean to merge with Brahman or the divine consciousness, there would no longer be any difference between it and us. You see, we are actually very close to it.
This threshold is nothing other than the point of our procreation, and this is not to be sought sometime in the past, for it is not lost somewhere and sometime in space and time. This point is always present, it is the centre of our natur and being. Through it we have stepped out of eternity and through it we return to it. Everything larger than this point is annihilated, and everything smaller than this point fills all infinity.

Your special dream:

I think you know, that the cavity under the house is the "treasure cave", the uterus inside of Mother Earth, a very deep level of the subconsciousness. Well, the Taoists speak of a mysterious place which resembles a grotto and is called Tung-fang, the bridal chamber. This grotto, they explain, is located on a pass between the peaks of a double mountain (in the shape of a pumpkin like a double cone), which they equate with the mystical world mountain K'un-lun Shan (Mountain of the West Sea), which is the island of the divine mother and the immortals (the Xian). From this grotto, which they also compare to a secret chamber, a strange, polar light shines incessantly, which our eyes cannot perceive and yet fills the entire universe.
Of course, it is a mystical place, but P'ei-wen Yün-fu explains it further, saying that the one who returns to himself to plant the cinnabar seed will discover that the whole of heaven and earth is in his own body and has the shape of a double cone. Exactly there, in the middle of this microcosm, is now hidden the most secret dwelling of being, a room, square and at the same time round, one inch in size. This tiny, secret chamber is also called the heavenly heart.
The kingdom is protected is actually something like a code and means: the time you have been waiting for is now dawning (it’s the same meaning as the Buddha is in the park).
Red is the colour of fire, and so the blood is also close to fire. The sprinkling could mean that flames are spreading, just see in it a kind of supernatural fire that is not destructive (like the fire of the burning bush). When a practising mystic dreams something like this, it indicates the imminent "baptism" by spirit and fire. For a working alchemist it is different, he should decipher in it a clue to what he is dealing with at that time. I don't know if you are actually at that stage where the "blood" plays an important role, but you should find that out for yourself.
If it's important to you, there are two types, a rose-coloured one and a red one that has a golden shimmer.
sl

Hi Merovee,

I will try to keep my response in accordance to my perceived understanding, which is at a modest level. Your reference to the mutus liber is a good one and holds significance to my relationship with dreams. I do tend to put stock into the dreams I have and do contemplate the message they are sending to me. In a way, the remembered dream is like a post card from your subconscious with urgency trying to tell you something. There are some mornings I wake up and go, WOW surely that was a message! I would take the visual depiction of the mutus liber to be a message to all alchemists and seekers of spiritual reconciliation.

Your discourse on subconscious as it relates to conscious resonates with my being.
The idea of the conscious being but a sliver or a mask of the totality of the subconscious potential, or the individuated "me" that the personality is comfortable with. Each droplet of water of that ocean you speak of (as opposed to the surface, which would be more akin to the 'representation' of subconscious in my opinion) is each conscious ME or being which although may exist as a separated droplet of water nevertheless can fluidly partake in the greatness of the ocean. Water also has memory, and although the water droplet may be separated from the ocean it at some level can recall that it is birthed from and cannot truly separate itself from its parent and as such will eventually return.

But to keep things simple since descriptive language is not my forte; Yes I agree that the subconscious is a vast reserve of what we really are which can be tapped into in the dream state and if we are lucky can be brought to the surface on awakening.

This lack of compulsion from the external self I can relate to for often while exploring the dream state I am bold as the idea of personal consequences has no effect. The self that is in this subconscious dream state is not concerned about offending others or of personal safety. It seems like a fuller version of myself interacting in the various scenes presented in the dream world. I must add something interesting here; in the last few years, and increasingly so as time goes on; the character of myself in the dreaming state has taken on some new attributes corresponding to my development in the conscious state; which gets back to your point of

One might think that dreams emerge from the unconscious, but in fact we (our consciousness) immerse ourselves in the subconscious. Now when we dream, we get an altered consciousness that is not limited to his external, conditioned personality. If we penetrate further in deep sleep, this consciousness fades and we become what we would actually be without the external compulsion, our actual being or individual (of which our external being is only a screwed-up shrunken figure, without wanting to offend anyone now).

Here I will offer an explanation; in the past, I had struggled with lust in my conscious life as well as fear to a greater extent than currently. My dreams corresponded to this, if I was presented with an opportunity in a dream to engage in sexual activities, it always almost ensued for a short duration until to my horror I remembered my conscious life and woke up relieved it was just a dream, or worse I just allowed it to happen. The other correspondence was in nightmares, if faced with a threat be it alien in nature, demonic or otherwise I was practically helpless.

Since I have made it a priority in my waking life to hold myself to higher standards and to become accountable to God/divine and those corresponding laws, my dreaming self even when not lucid knows not to engage the temptations of the subconscious mind and regularly rebukes negative intrusions in the name of God/Jesus Christ and even in my own confidence of spiritual footing. To put it simply nightmares and "wet dreams" are not a reality for me anymore. The scenes may still appear but I am able to navigate them in a manner corresponding to my efforts in conscious life.

Your further points on pure spirit merging with conscious I think is very relevant to the above points I made. The subconscious "pure spirit" had been lending its assistance in my conscious state for some time. I do often have merged experienced during sleep that I can not properly express in words or recall in detail but will awaken knowing that something profound has occurred but I am helpless to describe it in any sort of detailed manner. Sometimes these "hidden plays" will appear like a deja'vu in my waking life as a present timer no pun intended

Now as far as liberation is concerned I really like how you mentioned buddha in the park for it seems that anybody who is experiencing this dance between the physical and spiritual or conscious and unconscious, son and father, man and god could probably relate to this concept. He who plants the cinnabar seed discovers that the whole of heaven and earth are contained in himself in the shape of a double cone. Very interesting. When meditating or simply in the right State i can view in my minds eye this double cone believe me or not. I have yet to discover what exactly this means. As I mentioned in response to Andro the hourglass has some significance to me from my childhood.

As for this specific dream that I have detailed, it was recalled more clear than most and seemed relevant so I posted it.

As to the mystic vs alchemist interpretation, can we not be both?

This golden shimmer you speak of i must ask does the word "Ichor" mean anything to you? I am assuming you were still speaking of blood in this case.


After writing this response, I just want to be forthcoming and state that reading your post initially I thought "this is something to learn from, I do not understand all that he/she has written but everything has its place and purpose and i would do well to try to engage and understand what has been jotted down." Even if I missed the mark on what you are getting at know that I am humbly trying to learn from you and every other member of this forum who ultimately are all part of said waters above or below.

Thanks again for your initial post, i hope to hear back from you and others.

 

[Merovee]

I can't go into everything in detail now, but there are a few things I should say:

First, don't put your light under the stool, you have a whole lot of great things to say, don't forget, every human being has the same inexhaustible source at their disposal.

But beware of suppressing anything in you, it could come back through the back door and become very aggressive. Perhaps I should add one more thing. It is true that we do not just have our subconscious, we are it. But if we go deeper, we will find that we are in fact something quite different, which is only veiled by the consciousness/subconsciousness, this veil is what the Indian sages (Brahmins) call the dance of Maya. There are two basic ways to free oneself from it (which, however, have innumerable variations): purification and refinement (for example, the Noble Eightfold Path of the Buddha), or the letting go (perfect immersion in the centre). We alchemists follow a special path, it is the Great Work that finally leads us to the centre.

Regarding your question whether an alchemist cannot also be a mystic: In any case, it's possible. For example, I'm of the opinion that behind the female alchemist Leona Constantia (which is certainly a pseudonym) hides the mystic Jane Leade, and among the Rosicrucians there were (and are) some practising alchemists who at the same time follow a mystical path…

Well, since you mention it: Ichor, the ambrosial blood of the gods. One must always be attentive and look closely, then our secrets reveal themselves everywhere. The dark, black colour of this blood indicates an alchemical secret, because there is a blackness hidden in their blood that can be brought out in various ways. It is also one of the signs that one actually has it.

 

[Andro]

It is possible to get "glimpses" of the non-dual "Pristine Awareness" or "Clear Light" while maintaining consciousness in Deep Delta Sleep. Going "beyond the dream", so to speak.

"I" have experienced it a few times, but "I" is a misnomer in this case, because all sense of a particular "self" and of identification with form is stripped in this state.

Letting go of being "someone" or "something", in order to be "all" and "no-thing".

It's a very strange experience, because there is no "I" to experience it, at least not as we know it, only Awareness.

When returning from this state and "telling the story", it can only be a vague reconstructed mental approximation transcribed into narrative.

So yes, it is possible to "cross the threshold" and "get a glimpse", but this "crossing" is not permanent as long as there are still dream-narratives pulling us back into duality and into the "Karmic Algorithms".

Only when all dreams are dissolved, we are AWAKE.
__________________________________________

The "Double Cone" graphic is a good representation of the how "things" manifest from Non-Duality into Duality.

The "Path of Return" would be represented as this "Double Cone" imploding back onto itself, into the the so-called "Zero Point".

But no, I haven't experienced this particular graphic imagery on the few occasions of "crossing the threshold".

It was something else entirely, so that's why I asked if you ever had a similar (temporally brief) crossing-over experience.

My dear Andro, you ever want to know everything very precisely, I admit that you (as always) immediately found the crux and put your finger on it.
However, I’m a little surprised, do you really mean by your question whether I have succeeded in reaching the place that only the completely liberated can attain? You do realise that I can only negate that, don't you? I can only say one thing: I have indeed had a few unusual experiences (as have other spiritual seekers), including experiencing an extraordinary state of the deepest trance that led me to a place that was undoubtedly meant for me, but which obviously only lasted a few seconds, because I found myself at about the same time. But that doesn't mean anything if you move orthogonally to time.

What you are showing can be seen as a cosmic diagram, but I don't know if one perceives it that way, at least I have never experienced anything like that. Are you thinking of duality and non-duality? For my part, I couldn't commit myself, for me it would be (in relation to what I had mentioned) rather an amalgamation of all the innumerable splinters, perhaps also children playing on the shore of wisdom or simply a garden, without actually being all that. Look at your diagram from the side, you can see the symbols of fire and water, neither of which can represent that place of which it’s said that no one can say the least thing about it. In any case, this double cone (of which I spoke) is actually an image of this world, it shows heaven and earth or just the fundamental duality, both in the macrocosm and in the microcosm.
But if you show it here, surely, I can assume that you have experienced it in this way? Can you tell me something about?

 

[Merovee]

It's not that I didn't want to answer, but it's not easy, we move on the thin ice of a unknown verity that shakes reason and logic and leads them into absurdity. Okay, here is my answer at last:

Andro, do you really think you have crossed the threshold and that it did not represent an experience of Rudra consciousness (deep sleep), the experience of mirrored reality? Ok, first I had an experience maybe similar to yours, but I didn't think I crossed the threshold in the process, but rather achieved an expanded, extraordinary experience of consciousness that is quite close to the transition, but yet occurs before the threshold is crossed.
Unlike you, I did not experience it while asleep, it happened from the state of awake consciousness. I was fully awake and talking to friends when I suddenly fell into a deep trance. Reality turned into a stage-filling image that completely crumbled and spectacularly collapsed.
However, I did not simply return to my normal consciousness, but the whole situation began to change. The experienced duration was very far longer than the real time allowed, but the extraordinary experiences (to be a being that has always existed, will never end and knows everything etc.) gradually faded and the whole thing became something that I cannot put into comprehensible words, but somehow still resonates within me, a vibration that quite vaguely contains something like "It is accomplished", then my memory only leads me to a point of complete blockage where everything becomes a single, black darkness. I cannot penetrate this point even with the best will in the world; when I try very hard, dizziness and complete helplessness seize me, I then often try to hold on somewhere.

That's exactly where I see the actual transition, it leads us into a total blackness; no knowledge, no memories, no remnant of any form of being or consciousness, still endures here. Only the deepest, unfathomable being, the absolutely incomprehensible in us -Buddha calls it the unborn, the uncreated, the beginningless - can get through here, and therefore it can only appear to us (the human-born) like complete darkness, like pure nothingness. That's why I don't know whether I only got as far as there and just touched the ground, or whether I crossed over.
The whole thing did not happen without subsequent (and still discernible) effects on the experienced reality, which one could call pathological distortions of space-time consciousness. This includes an expanded occurrence of synchronicities, but also things like my persistent conviction that a colour is missing in our perception of colour, I don't know which one, not even what it looks like, but again and again I find myself looking for another colour, without which everything seems incomplete.

Nevertheless, my experience has been so profound that I have come to the following conviction: It must be a final singularity at the edge of the event horizon in the microcosm of our consciousness, marking the end point of space-time experience. Thus, crossing the threshold is equivalent to falling into a black hole of the macrocosm, whereby only the experience in the microcosm is relevant, whereas - according to the samsara in eastern religions - the macrocosm is only equivalent in its significance to a generally valid model, impressive, but without really existence, finally losing itself in the transition act of the microcosm.

Anyway, this all doesn’t mean that I think you are misjudging your experience, I would just like to know how sure you are? I have been wondering for some time whether there might be a second transition, the first transition leading to Brahman's experience, but the second leading to Buddha's nirvana, which must then be beyond duality and non-duality. However, this leads to another question: if Brahman is non-duality, formless oneness in eternity, then what the hell is Nirvana?
(Whoever says it is nothingness would have to say beforehand what nothingness is, and that is precisely impossible, since it is not accessible to the human mind, so any definition of nothingness is inherently wrong - which, however, makes nothingness again a possible answer, roughly equivalent to: "I've no fucking idea!")

 

[Andro]

Andro, do you really think you have crossed the threshold and that it did not represent an experience of Rudra consciousness (deep sleep), the experience of mirrored reality?

I've had "mirrored reality" experiences, and it was not it. I've been practicing Shamanic techniques (OOB, Lucid Dreaming) for decades. In Tibetan Jargon, it's comparable to moving from "Sleep Yoga" to "Bardo Yoga".

What I'm talking about are "beyond the dream" states. I previously wrote that the separate "I" was completely gone during this, and that everything I can convey is only a poor approximation in the form of narrative.

At least to "me", there is no Nothing and there is no Something, either. The Dance between those abstractions is All There Is, and it can be loosely compared to a Dimensionless Point which "moves" so "infinitely fast" that it is both static AND everywhere, infinitely and simultaneously, therefore it is essentially Awareness Being Aware of Awareness.

For example, Wilhelm Reich referred to Orgone as the "Cosmic Energy" that humanity had divided its knowledge of it in two: "Aether" for the physical aspect and "God" for the spiritual aspect.

But we can use many names for the UN-nameable, such as Orgone, Odic Force, The All, Luminous Aether, Clear Light, Pristine Awareness, Counterspace, The Mirror Plane, Zero Point, The In-Between, or even "Spiritus Mundi" or "God".

I also can't really say if there are "layers" to it, or any sort of "gradation", such as from "Brahman" to "Nirvana", etc. But I wouldn't be surprised if there were.

Liberation is not "escaping" reality, but rather "entering it fully". Also see THIS POST.

But regardless, language will always fail us for this purpose, because "it" is incommensurable.

The Great Work Is No Work At All

There are many Works, and they All require Work,
And such required Work is often Very Hard Work,
But the Hardest of them All is Letting Go,
And even though Letting Go is Harder than All the Hard Works,
It is in itself No Work At All, but on the Contrary,
It is the Opposite of Work and the Release of It.

It is the Closure of All Accounts and the Revoking of All Agreements.

Love is the Absence of Accounting and the Obsolescence of Contracts.

There is no Removing Our Selves from the Program, there is only Letting Go of the Program from within Our Selves.

The Great Work Is No Work At All​

I would just like to know how sure you are?

Certainty is the comfort of sleepers. "I" might as well be a brain in a vat

 

[Andro]

Pictographic Addendum: