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Le Clefs du Cabinet Hérmetique

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I do not question the content and what is expressed in The Key to the Hermetic Sanctum, I only question rhoend's research, on the other hand last week the book arrived and I am really enjoying its content. I would like to contribute, to expand the understanding of what the author exposes can be complemented with what is explained in Book of Knowledge Acquired Concerning the Cultivation of Gold, there are many points in common between the two books.
 

Illen A. Cluf

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Hi Illen

I'm not so well read on the works of Fulcanelli ... did he ever say or suggest
that he himself may be an Adept ?

Yes, according to the testimony of his student, Eugene Canseliet.

In the Introduction to Fulcanelli's first book, Mystere des Cathedrales, Walter Lang wrote:

The myth theory is also untenable against the testimony of Canseliet.
In September 1922, in a laboratory at Sarcelles and in the presence of
the painter Julien Champagne and the chemist Gaston Sauvage,
Canseliet himself made an alchemical transmutation of 100 grammes of
gold using a minute quantity of the Powder of Projection given to him
by his teacher. Thus there is a European, alive at the present time, who
personally testifies not only to the existence of Fulcanelli but to the
veridical nature of an event which modern science regards as an absurd
myth. Legend has it that this transmutation took place 'in a gasworks'.
The account seems the plainest possible statement of a purely physical
event. Alchemist however, warn repeatedly that when their descriptions
seem plainest the camouflage factor is highest. The alerted reader will
certainly consider here that a gasworks is a site where a volatile
substance is produced from a heavy mineral and will recall that alchemy
is a process of 'separating the fine from the gross'.
 

Illen A. Cluf

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I do not question the content and what is expressed in The Key to the Hermetic Sanctum, I only question rhoend's research, on the other hand last week the book arrived and I am really enjoying its content. I would like to contribute, to expand the understanding of what the author exposes can be complemented with what is explained in Book of Knowledge Acquired Concerning the Cultivation of Gold, there are many points in common between the two books.

I totally agree. Abu Al-Kasim Muhammed Ibn Ahmad Alkiraki's book The Book of Knowledge Acquired Concerning the Cultivation of Gold is a real treasure. I purchased the book in 2018 (the year it was published) and have read it numerous times.

I really look forward to your contribution
 

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Yes, according to the testimony of his student, Eugene Canseliet.

Thank you for your reply Illen.
I wasn't sure if he referred to himself as an Adept.

Some people think that Fulcanelli was possibly a group of Alchemists ... but my
mentor informed me that he was one man and was gifted with the Philosophers Stone.
 

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Wish i had seen that thread before sharing with him.
I went over the method to produce red oil from milk with him.
I hope whatever substance he is using to promote his claim did not come from the method i went over with him.
 

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Wish i had seen that thread before sharing with him.
I went over the method to produce red oil from milk with him.
I hope whatever substance he is using to promote his claim did not come from the method i went over with him.

Hi Kibric

I am in contact with Frater Rhoend and I can assure you that he is not
using "milk" for his Alchemic Work. :)
 

Illen A. Cluf

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Thank you for your reply Illen.

Some people think that Fulcanelli was possibly a group of Alchemists ... but my
mentor informed me that he was one man and was gifted with the Philosophers Stone.

There have been many books written about who Fulcanelli might have been. I also co-authored an article about who he might have been, which appeared in an Alchemical Journal.

The Jury is still not out with regard to whether it was an individual or a small group of men including Julius Champagne. Although Champagne pretended to be Fulcanelli at various times, the writings of what appears in Fulcanelli's books do not at all seem to match the character of Champagne.

I personally think it was a highly educated and cultured person of fairly high rank. I have my own idea of who he may have been, which is not that of the person who I suggested in my article.
 

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There have been many books written about who Fulcanelli might have been. I also co-authored an article about who he might have been, which appeared in an Alchemical Journal.

The Jury is still not out with regard to whether it was an individual or a small group of men including Julius Champagne. Although Champagne pretended to be Fulcanelli at various times, the writings of what appears in Fulcanelli's books do not at all seem to match the character of Champagne.

I personally think it was a highly educated and cultured person of fairly high rank. I have my own idea of who he may have been, which is not that of the person who I suggested in my article.
Thank you Illen

I will make inquiry of my mentor for more information about this subject, if possible.
 

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I hope whatever substance he is using to promote his claim did not come from the method i went over with him.
According to a few other people who shared with him, this author never discriminated whose work he would plagiarize from. Once I even found in one of his blogs stuff I myself had posted on this forum. I felt very honored! In another blog (if memory serves), I think he claimed I had made the stone but didn't know how to multiply it. Very entertaining, I must admit. Also, I know exactly who this person is, but I wont "dox" anyone, so believe what you will. Who knows, maybe he did change his ways and got into the actual Work instead of making bold claims, selling expensive books and posting fake "germination" and "rejuvenation" videos :)
 

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Yes, according to the testimony of his student, Eugene Canseliet.

In the Introduction to Fulcanelli's first book, Mystere des Cathedrales, Walter Lang wrote:

The myth theory is also untenable against the testimony of Canseliet.
In September 1922, in a laboratory at Sarcelles and in the presence of
the painter Julien Champagne and the chemist Gaston Sauvage,
Canseliet himself made an alchemical transmutation of 100 grammes of
gold using a minute quantity of the Powder of Projection given to him
by his teacher. Thus there is a European, alive at the present time, who
personally testifies not only to the existence of Fulcanelli but to the
veridical nature of an event which modern science regards as an absurd
myth. Legend has it that this transmutation took place 'in a gasworks'.
The account seems the plainest possible statement of a purely physical
event. Alchemist however, warn repeatedly that when their descriptions
seem plainest the camouflage factor is highest. The alerted reader will
certainly consider here that a gasworks is a site where a volatile
substance is produced from a heavy mineral and will recall that alchemy
is a process of 'separating the fine from the gross'.

Hi Illen

I did get some feedback on Fulcanelli.

He was not of the French Royalty, he was not wealthy, he did mix with the aristocracy
and he lived into his 80's.

There was never a demonstration of transmutation of Lead (Pb) to Gold (Au) as he
was not able to do this.

A transmutation that was demonstrated was of Alchemic Lead to Alchemic Gold.

Fulcanelli did attain to the Philosophers Stone but was not gifted with the Multiplication.
 

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And what were your sources?
 

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This site introduced me to Rubedo Press and my life has been Greatly enriched thereby. Love to discuss this and Hermetic Recreations in the near future when im actively sitting with the books in front of me, they are some of my favorite tractates!

Glory be to Thee, Oh Rock of Ages!
 

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I only read La Clef and Hermetic Recreations so far. Both are excellent. Intending to keep my posting to a minimum until I can really post something worth while. Ill return to the discussion when able. Going on a big adventure starting friday for a while.
 

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Have fun adventuring ;)
 

Lakshmana

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I received a copy of la clef du cabinet hermétique from Rubedo
I almost read the entire book in one go today

Visionary experience much pleasure
10/10
 

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He did send another copy, and it just arrived today. Thanks for the support!
I'm so relieved to hear that the book finally arrived. I'm very interested in your thoughts after you have a chance to read it.

I just realized that with all the relocation mess, I had never even unpacked it after the move...

Found it now (in one of the boxes) and I will read it as time permits.

Thanks again to everyone involved in this awesome endeavor!
 

Chiliasticus

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Have fun adventuring ;)

Thank You! It was the adventure of a life time to say the least. Ibogaine detox from a decade of opi addiction and a lung full of bufo toad venom to seal the deal. Been clean for a few months from opis for the first time in my adult life, feeling amazing and much different. Was looking over this text a brief bit recently. Will be getting net connection at home again this week after a few years of not having it. I look forward to being a part of this community in a greater capacity.
 

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That's very positive glad to hear
Hopefully the toad taught you something valuable :p
 

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How likely do others feel that Hermetic Cabinet translated by Illen and JDP recently falls in line with Cyliani and this lineage? The more I read there isnt as direct of a link as say Naturweg and Recreations but it feels Recreations-y with the 'Scholies' type section at the back.

Practically I can see how they're describing a very similar process.