Is Spiritual Alchemy A Valid Path?

[Axismundi000]

Read the link in the previous page about the "burden of proof" and you will see that you are trying to reverse it to put the burden of proof on others who are not making any such "supernatural/paranormal" claims but demanding proof for them. This fallacy is called "argumentum ad ignorantiam".

Regarding proof of transmutation: the world will have it when I am ready to deliver it. Suffice it to say that anyone who has the patience, time and money to invest in investigating it will find it, that is for sure (unless the person in question is very dumb, lazy and/or inept.) I myself have found it (of course, it took many years of patient research and experimentation.) Since it does not require any supposed (and unproven) "supernatural/paranormal powers" anyone can do it. Yes, you can achieve it too. Even dev/Awani can. Anyone can.

I am not seeking to reverse burden of proof because I am not seeking to prove something of my own here. I simply and accurately observe that you regularly employ 'a priori' and then hit people over the head repeatedly with empiricism without correctly delineating the transition between the two. This is a sleight of hand and as I mention rather boorish.

As for waiting for you to deliver your findings I doubt they will ever be forthcoming and within the paradigm of empiricism I assume none will ever be forthcoming. I assume that you will not achieve anything until you prove otherwise as the empiricist paradigm requires. Also to be blunt I am far too busy to be waiting around for you to actualy come up with something concrete.

In the past despite your woeful lack of anything really practical or empirical JDP you have several times challenged me to produce practical empirical evidence. I will continue to regularly show my findings be they 'Alchemical or Spagyric' despite whomever chooses to sneer rather then test for themselves in the spirit of research.

 

[Awani]

...but this tells me that you do care and invest a lot of time in this stuff.

I certainly do. It has brought me joy, happiness, healing, wealth, peace and power. Why would I reject anything that produces such results?

Hare Krishna. Praise the Lord. Allah is Great. I bow before the Intergalactic Energy of Mysterious Mumbo-Jumbo Woo-Woo for providing me with the Flesh of the Gods, and for the Grace of the Embrace of all that is sacred, divine, eternal and loving. Ha ha ha [a laughter of awe and joy, not mockery].

...not to make it easy for people to become rich at my expense.

Yeah Man, I agree with what you say. I would hate for people to achieve peace and enlightenment at my expense. That would be so disconcerting. Screw everyone else. I am the most important person in the world and everyone else deserves to bask in my glory and wealth.

A serious question (if you dare to answer): would you consider yourself (currently) rich or poor? In other words are you lacking in money? Do you live in a crappy home? Do you have to work for low pay? What is your financial situation? If I knew that it would help me understand where you are coming from.

 

[JDP]

I certainly do. It has brought me joy, happiness, healing, wealth, peace and power. Why would I reject anything that produces such results?

Hare Krishna. Praise the Lord. Allah is Great. I bow before the Intergalactic Energy of Mysterious Mumbo-Jumbo Woo-Woo for providing me with the Flesh of the Gods, and for the Grace of the Embrace of all that is sacred, divine, eternal and loving. Ha ha ha [a laughter of awe and joy, not mockery].



Yeah Man, I agree with what you say. I would hate for people to achieve peace and enlightenment at my expense. That would be so disconcerting. Screw everyone else. I am the most important person in the world and everyone else deserves to bask in my glory and wealth.

A serious question (if you dare to answer): would you consider yourself (currently) rich or poor? In other words are you lacking in money? Do you live in a crappy home? Do you have to work for low pay? What is your financial situation? If I knew that it would help me understand where you are coming from.

I am neither rich nor poor. What most people would label "middle class".

 

[Awani]

The perfect place to be then. Enough to have what you need, and not too much... or is it never enough?

 

[JDP]

The perfect place to be then. Enough to have what you need, and not too much... or is it never enough?

But I want more!

 

[Awani]

Oh my. Well good luck. I hope you get truckloads of gold then... just remember that what can seem to be a blessing can also be a curse.

 

[Luxus]

Though I have enjoyed studying Alchemy for many years I eventually came to the conclusion that there are other methods of achieving the same goals and if you fail at finding the stone that need not mean you cannot still realise your objectives.

Firstly we can theorise that before the manufacture of blown glass bottles Alchemy could not have existed. The very minimum requirement for Alchemy would be one glass bottle. It needs to be glass because we need to see the colour changes so that the fire can be regulated accordingly.

People who study alchemy are usually looking for one of three things, gold, long life/health or enlightenment, can you achieve these things without Alchemy? I would answer yes.

If you want gold study the works of John worrell keely and Walter Russell. Lead is not a good starting point Mercury (Hg) in next to Gold in the periodic table and therefore would be easier to transmute into gold. Essentially what you need to do is to subject Mercury to the atomic vibration of Gold which will then transmute it into pure Gold. The technology to achieve this was possessed by the two persons mentioned above.

If you want long life and enlightenment understand that the ancients have spoken about the water of life, the mead of poetry, the celestial Soma. You could go in search of that water and it has a history dating back as far as recorded history. It was known before glass bottles were first formed by humans and therefore the art of Alchemy was borne. The ancient poets talked about how this drink would extend life and quicken the mind and intellect.

 

[Schmuldvich]

People who study alchemy are usually looking for one of three things, gold, long life/health or enlightenment, can you achieve these things without Alchemy? I would answer yes.

If you want gold study the works of John Worrell Keely and Walter Russell.

Not just gold, but so much Wisdom is found in the writing of Russell and Keely!

When I have time to tinker, I would like to manifest the truth of their theories with my own hands and see it all with my own eyes. So, so, so much lies within the knowledge of these two men. We could revolutionize the entire world and even small cities with only a fraction of the exponentially magnificent understanding these guys possessed.

Regarding the subject of this thread, correct, you absolutely do not need Alchemy!

You can achieve wealth without Alchemy. You can live a long life without Alchemy. You can achieve enlightenment without Alchemy.

Alchemy is just one way of realizing Universal Truth. Other Paths certainly exist but I am not sure I would say that any are as tangibly real or significant as Alchemy.

 

[tAlc]

Spiritual Alchemy is definitely a valid path.

As Above, So Below

Seperate the gross from the subtle

This applies to humans as well. We too, have subtleness inside of us as well, this is attested to my vivid Out-Of-Body-Experiences i.e Astral Projection

Let no one tell you that Astral Projection is all in your head, and make you feel like this phenomenon isn't real. These type of people are simply not in tune with this side of spirituality, that's that, to attest to this yourself, I advise you to take the practical approach, to see for yourself.

 

[zoas23]

I want to ask:
How can by merely meditating chakra kundalini Inner Alchemy or whatever mumbo jumbo you want to call it can you end up with insane amounts of Gold?

I was among the ones who thought that "inner alchemy" was a very weird term.
I have recently learnt that I was absolutely wrong.

Of course, inner alchemy will never produce even a 0.00000001 gram of gold.
Nor it follows the same "path" that an external practice usually follows (which is something that people like Jung got wrong).

 

[Andro]

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