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Interesting science experiment showing certain stages of the stone

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Your message just seems a bit contradictory…
"One of your vases", she said, "seems to hold more androgynous matter than you will need, but you have not taken enough of the Astral Spirit. You need infinitely more. And, as Arnold of Villanova said, it is necessary to have an abundance of water, of distilled spirit, but your fault is excusable. It is the result of a valid fear."

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"One of your vases", she said, "seems to hold more androgynous matter than you will need, but you have not taken enough of the Astral Spirit. You need infinitely more. And, as Arnold of Villanova said, it is necessary to have an abundance of water, of distilled spirit, but your fault is excusable. It is the result of a valid fear."

- Cyliani
I was referring to your statement about internal and external fire.

As far as i can tell, there are two variations to the incubation stage of the stone. One says you need to open it and add more “water” at specific stages to move the reaction along and the other says you keep your flask shut from beginning to end.

I guess it depends which books are your main source of inspiration and method used. It would seem to me you favor the former and i favor the latter.
 

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Even the notion of different stones is just to add more confusion, there is the actual PS, then there are countless failed attempts which are now called PS of a different nature. They are failed attempts lol; not variations to the stone.
OK, I can agree with you that we have an "actual PS" and this PS follows very
specific rules as does Quintessence and all of Alchemy.

THE PS is a Universal PS .... but to work some specific tasks for the Alchemist
as in Transmuting Lead (Pb) to Gold (Au) this Universal PS needs to be Signified.

This means it must be altered to be a Particular PS that has the Signature of Gold.

This is one example of a different PS, there can be many.
 

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This means it must be altered to be a Particular PS that has the Signature of Gold.

This is one example of a different PS, there can be many.

This is the fermentation with gold to give it the ability to interact on the mineral realm you are referring to here i assume.

I don’t know if it’s just me, but wouldn’t a stone that people say must be made from the mineral realm not need fermentation, suggesting the “base PS” is made from one of the other two kingdoms.

Either way, really enjoying the conversation so far. In fact, if you think about it, having a substance that contains elements from all three natures would be the perfect substance.
 

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I don’t know if it’s just me, but wouldn’t a stone that people say must be made from the mineral realm not need fermentation, suggesting the “base PS” is made from one of the other two kingdoms.
Humans don't eat grass like cows for a reason. In truth the life energy is everywhere, pervades all things so you would think that it ought to be possible for humans to eat grass. But it isn't. We are not wired that way. The entire universe is a seething mass of energy and is in constant motion, a chaos of energy transfers. The energy is being transformed into different things all the time. We are just forms of that energy encased in the gross matter of our bodies. If we want to perpetuate our current form then we need a form of energy that is attuned to that kind of form. The right fuel for a human body. We would not pour milk into our cars, we know they need petrol/diesel. That is the right fuel for that form. If we want to feed/grow an animal it needs its own kind of correct fuel. If we want to feed/grow a diamond it needs its correct fuel. All imho.

So I'm with "black" here. The universe is bursting with raw energy/spirit. It can be transformed into infinite forms. We must find the form that is most beneficial for the human body.

But then . . . . .

You must ask yourself, do you really want to perpetuate this human form? After all it is fickle and weak and extremely limited.

Do you imagine that those who attained the Stone and enlightenment with it resolved to stay in human form?

What if you could ditch that form, become a "light being" and travel through space ?

The human form is a prison for our real self, our spirit/soul. I think we should be seeking to escape it properly rather than remain inside it indefinitely. Dying doesn't imo achieve this. You just end up reincarnating into another body over and over. Perpetual prison, perpetual enslavement, at the mercy of those who now control this planet so ruthlessly.

Honestly I don't think we are thinking big enough
 

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The human form is a prison for our real self, our spirit/soul. I think we should be seeking to escape it properly rather than remain inside it indefinitely. Dying doesn't imo achieve this. You just end up reincarnating into another body over and over. Perpetual prison, perpetual enslavement, at the mercy of those who now control this planet so ruthlessly.
Perhaps you may find this thread interesting: Liberation.
 

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u must ask yourself, do you really want to perpetuate this human form? After all it is fickle and weak and extremely limited.

Do you imagine that those who attained the Stone and enlightenment with it resolved to stay in human form?

What if you could ditch that form, become a "light being" and travel through space ?

The human form is a prison for our real self, our spirit/soul. I think we should be seeking to escape it properly rather than remain inside it indefinitely. Dying doesn't imo achieve this. You just end up reincarnating into another body over and over. Perpetual prison, perpetual enslavement, at the mercy of those who now control this planet so ruthlessly.

Honestly I don't think we are thinking big enough
Music to my ears! That is my goal too! Game Over!
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You must ask yourself, do you really want to perpetuate this human form? After all it is fickle and weak and extremely limited.
Internal alchemy can help you achieve these dreams if that is what you really want. Spend tens of thousands of hours in meditation and you can escape reincarnation and fly through the universe if you so wish.

No need to make a stone and based on the conversation here, it would seem no one made the true "highest potential" stone. So, would it not be more beneficial to choose a path that has more success? Taoism or zen Buddhism or something of that nature?
 

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Internal alchemy can help you achieve these dreams if that is what you really want. Spend tens of thousands of hours in meditation and you can escape reincarnation and fly through the universe if you so wish.

No need to make a stone and based on the conversation here, it would seem no one made the true "highest potential" stone. So, would it not be more beneficial to choose a path that has more success? Taoism or zen Buddhism or something of that nature?

Is that just a state of mind though, another illusion rather than being real freedom. What proof is that there that anyone ever "flew through the universe"?
 

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Is that just a state of mind though, another illusion rather than being real freedom. What proof is that there that anyone ever "flew through the universe"?
What proof is there that a stone actually exists that can give enlightenment and allow you to fly through space?
 

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What proof is there that a stone actually exists that can give enlightenment and allow you to fly through space?

I don't know what proof exists, if there is any it is likely kept secret.

What we do know is that if you follow the multitude of alchemical texts, documents and treatises then you DO see the things they say will be seen. You see the colour changes predicted, you smell the odours predicted and so on. This surely lends a level of credibility to the works but yes, doesn't reprsent proof of the claimed miracle effects of the Stone.

However I figure this way

The Stone, it's claimed benefits and the processes for making it are recorded in literally 100s if not 1000s of works spanning centuries.
Why would all those people go to so much trouble to perpetuate a total hoax and do so in such a cryptic way that 99% of the human race will either never read their works or if they did would not understand them? Just doesn't make sense for it all to be a hoax.

Then add to this the fact that the Stone, its processes and colour changes and benefits are recounted in just about every religious tome across the world. The same secret, which is recorded allegorically and cryptically using the same allegorical terminology in all these works, the Bible, the Quran, the Bhagavad Gita, in Taoism, Rosicrucianism and so on. It's clear to me that this secret spread out of one place and went out to all the world and was translated into all the different languages and religions and cultures.

All in all if the Stone were a hoax then it is the hoax of all time, of all humanity spanning 1000s of years and 1000s of documents and 1000s of key people. That's just too out there to be true imo.

The Stone is a real concept. It can be achieved. But it is god like power and thus hugely dangerous. We don't teach the public how to create a nuclear bomb. We do teach people science. They might ultimately come to know how to make a nuclear bomb, but by then they would be an enlightened scientist.

I suspect that Ariadne's Thread is a test of some sort. An educational labyrinth bestowing groundwork knowledge to the alchemist, bringing a form of enlightenment and understanding. I suspect that once one reaches a certain point of understanding and proficiency one would get a visitation from those totally enlightened and perhaps an invitation to move from their current life to go live among the enlightened and learn more and more in a safe and controlled environment. Thus the concept of "Bensalem" in The New Atlantis by Sir Francis Bacon.
 

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All in all if the Stone were a hoax then it is the hoax of all time, of all humanity spanning 1000s of years and 1000s of documents and 1000s of key people. That's just too out there to be true imo.
It depends on your viewpoint and filter, someone who does not believe in the stone reading religious txts will infer something completely different to you.

There is even more documentation and evidence for internal alchemy, for example rainbow body. It’s all viewpoint and bias…

I am just playing devils advocate here. Ofcourse the stone is real, ofcourse it can be made but isn’t made often that is for sure.
 

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It depends on your viewpoint and filter, someone who does not believe in the stone reading religious txts will infer something completely different to you.

It's not a question of belief in the Stone. It's a question of understanding the history of texts concerning the Stone and how they describe it, how they describe the colour sequences, the processes and benefits. Once you've read those things it becomes impossible imo to not see the biblical references to the same things, and the Quran references and so on. One does not need to believe the Stone is real. You can believe it is myth. However the fact that the Stone is repeatedly mentioned in all these religious works is imo indisputable.
 

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It's not a question of belief in the Stone. It's a question of understanding the history of texts concerning the Stone and how they describe it, how they describe the colour sequences, the processes and benefits. Once you've read those things it becomes impossible imo to not see the biblical references to the same things, and the Quran references and so on. One does not need to believe the Stone is real. You can believe it is myth. However the fact that the Stone is repeatedly mentioned in all these religious works is imo indisputable.
Do you have some examples?
 

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Do you have some examples?
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See here:

 

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This is the fermentation with gold to give it the ability to interact on the mineral realm you are referring to here i assume.
You cold say that.
The Universal PS can be used to do many things but it usually requires some instructions
added into it .... this is Signifying the Universal PS to a Particular PS for a Particular
purpose that the Alchemist requires of it.
I don’t know if it’s just me, but wouldn’t a stone that people say must be made from the mineral realm not need fermentation, suggesting the “base PS” is made from one of the other two kingdoms.
What you are referring to as the "base PS" is the Universal Philosophers Stone.

It can be extracted from any of the Three Kingdoms but is not Signified to any
of them as it is Universal.
Either way, really enjoying the conversation so far. In fact, if you think about it, having a substance that contains elements from all three natures would be the perfect substance.
Yes, it is the perfect substance to Work with.
 

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A sort of volatile salt? It’s fluffy enough to be a fur, but what I’m familiar with is already a Golden Fleece:

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Don’t open it. Just cook it. If it melts like wax without smoke on a low heat (about 40 C) then let it incubate itself. Do more women’s work and child’s play than anything.

Here’s what mine started as:

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Here’s what mine started as:
So you just cooked a salt? And it made those gorgeous spiraling type formations in the flask?

Why did you not add it's "liquid" back to have it go through the colors?
 

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Wow so pretty Kiorionis. Gosh I love Crystallization.
 
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So you just cooked a salt? And it made those gorgeous spiraling type formations in the flask?

Why did you not add its "liquid" back to have it go through the colors?

And also produced the red oil out of itself without the addition of any foreign matter. Pretty amazing, I know. I’m still trying to decide how to proceed from here.

Why not? Because the matter cooks itself.