Interesting science experiment showing certain stages of the stone

[Coots]

Hi, I was curious to see what you guys thought of this video. From 12:30 it shows some amazing reactions that happen with sodium, potassium and ammonia gas (if i am not mistaken) which corresponds to some of the things we are meant to see during the incubation period as per the book "an open entrance to the closed palace of the king".

Anyone who has made the stone or come close, do these look similar to some of the changes you saw, especially during the black to white stage?

 

[elixirmixer]

Thanks for that Coots. Great video 👍

 

[alfr]

Thanks Coots for this interesting video with this curious metallic transformations

 

[Coots]

Yeah very cool, sad no one is responding with some feedback regarding the transformation.

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[Pilgrim]

Anyone who has made the stone or come close, do these look similar to some of the changes you saw, especially during the black to white stage?

You realise don't you that the asking of this question is simply a back door way of asking if someone has succeeded in making the Stone?

That being the case you should imo expect zero responses. It would be a fool that admitted openly on an internet forum that they had the Stone. It could put them and their loved ones in danger. Maybe frame your questions more carefully ?

For example you could ask if the YT clip colours match those of alchemical texts and so on.

 

[Coots]

You realise don't you that the asking of this question is simply a back door way of asking if someone has succeeded in making the Stone?

I read multiple threads on here of people openly saying they know how to make the stone and nothing seems to have happened to any of them.

On instagram someone is posting pictures of his white and red stone, and he seems to be doing fine. I believe he is also a member here.

On youtube a few channels are saying they know how to make it and show transformations and they are fine.

The only deaths i am aware of with alchemists who post online that they have the stone is from accidents in the lab and that is only one person.

I did not even think about it being a backdoor way, it certainly wasn’t my intention to be sneaky.

I just thought the video is cool and it matched up to the explanations in the book i quoted above. Wanted to hear others opinion on it…. Even if they commented on the book being written by someone who never had the stone and his explanations are wrong based on other books or that the transformations match up with other books.

I don’t know, just wanted to have a conversation that was different to most of the conversations on here. Actually i was hoping someone would mention the fact that it was sodium, potassium and ammonia and the conversation could evolve into possible starting substances or books with further information linked to these substances…

 

[Pilgrim]

Actually i was hoping someone would mention the fact that it was sodium, potassium and ammonia and the conversation could evolve into possible starting substances or books with further information linked to these substances…

The starting substance according to the texts is just ONE THING and is described in many ways.

Reading threads on this forum it's clear there can be many different starting substances that can be used to perform the processes on for they all contain the seeds of sol and luna but they likely don't produce THE stone but may produce lesser stones.

 

[ghetto alchemist]

I read multiple threads on here of people openly saying they know how to make the stone and nothing seems to have happened to any of them.

On instagram someone is posting pictures of his white and red stone, and he seems to be doing fine. I believe he is also a member here.

On youtube a few channels are saying they know how to make it and show transformations and they are fine.

Oh, this is all very exciting....I’d love very much to read and watch all these.
Would you mind posting links to all of these so we can all see what you’re talking about.
Irony isn’t it, that you created this thread seeking information, but it turns out that you’re the one who has the valuable information to share....

 

[elixirmixer]

The only deaths i am aware of with alchemists who post online that they have the stone is from accidents in the lab and that is only one person.

Yeah... 'Accidents' in the lab 😏

 

[Coots]

The starting substance according to the texts is just ONE THING and is described in many ways.

I tend to agree wholeheartedly. But, i have read multiple posts where people say this is to mislead people onto thinking there is one perfect substance and waste their years away.

But i feel there is a single substance which can be processed to give all the required materials which are combined again once the “extra dross” has been removed through art.

The preparation is as closely gaurded as the actual substance itself but with careful lab work the method makes itself clear if you don’t close yourself off to preconceived notions or prejudice.

So, i do feel the one substance, one container is true, just not explicitly true. The one substance must first be prepared sufficiently, separating the various compounds and purifying them. This is still done with a very simple setup and afterwards placed in a single flask to go through the colours.

 

[Coots]

Yeah... 'Accidents' in the lab 😏

If this happened to many aspiring alchemists i would say something is fishy, but just one person, it’s reasonable.

Some people are working with crazy volatile substances using crazy high temperatures in closed vessels. Explosions and accidents are more common than people realize. This site if full of people talking about their accidents and near misses.

Not to mention the fumes and having a workspace with adequate ventilation/extraction apparatus. Or at the very least a high grade mask to ensure personal safety from fumes.

Or the lack of awareness on how volatile chemicals are formed which are explosive in nature.

 

[Andro]

I tend to agree wholeheartedly. But, i have read multiple posts where people say this is to mislead people onto thinking there is one perfect substance and waste their years away.

But i feel there is a single substance which can be processed to give all the required materials which are combined again once the “extra dross” has been removed through art.

This is a deliberate mind-fuck. There is one single "matter", but this "one matter" is hidden in (almost) every "matter". And even if we find it, it's useless without its proper Agency.

 

[Coots]

This is a deliberate mind-fuck. There is one single "matter", but this "one matter" is hidden in (almost) every "matter". And even if we find it, it's useless without its proper Agency.

I have read you mention this a few times, and i respect your opinion but mine is different.

I guess it’s just our own way of interpreting the books and our labwork.

If we simplify, we need 3 things: salts, liquid and spirit or internal fire which resides in the liquid anyway. So we really need two things. Salts and liquid.

It’s just finding a substance that contains the correct salts and distills into the correct liquid. The internal fire/spirit will be there if you have the right substance in my opinion.

It’s just understanding how to prepare the substances and considering there are hundreds of different recipes from people who never made the stone yet pretended like they did that everything is a confusing mess.

Even the notion of different stones is just to add more confusion, there is the actual PS, then there are countless failed attempts which are now called PS of a different nature. They are failed attempts lol; not variations to the stone.

Again, all of this is just me giving my opinion and i respect other peoples opinion even if it is the opposite to mine. I won’t try to persuade someone into my way of thinking but happy to discuss the one substance in more detail if you wished.

Why do you feel it cannot be made from just one substance and it must be a mix of different substances… what experiments or books made you of this opinion?

 

[Lakshmana]

From my experience there are many ways to get to the same inert material many of which are very simple like letting liquids ferment and it drops out then anneal and wash (like birch sap)

If you want a good one do white powder gold which has been distilled a couple times to remove everything black then work it.

 

[Andro]

I have read you mention this a few times, and i respect your opinion but mine is different.

I guess it’s just our own way of interpreting the books and our labwork.

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Why do you feel it cannot be made from just one substance and it must be a mix of different substances… what experiments or books made you of this opinion?

Re-read what I wrote. It's ONE matter, but it's in ALL matter (almost). That's the mind-fuck. All the good aithors agree on this, that we should not look for this or that matter or metal or mineral or whatever, but seek their Center instead, the "Point of their Formation". That's why we can work on many "different" matters but still work on the same one matter.

 

[Coots]

Re-read what I wrote. It's ONE matter, but it's in ALL matter (almost). That's the mind-fuck. All the good aithors agree on this, that we should not look for this or that matter or metal or mineral or whatever, but seek their Center instead, the "Point of their Formation". That's why we can work on many "different" matters but still work on the same one matter.

Yes I understand what you mean, though it is also said that some are closer than others.

There is an ideal substance to extract the one matter and create the stone which exhibits the values we want.

I am convinced we can get all the “ingredients” from a single substance which is the perfect “birthing” place of the stone.

 

[Coots]

From my experience there are many ways to get to the same inert material many of which are very simple like letting liquids ferment and it drops out then anneal and wash (like birch sap)

If you want a good one do white powder gold which has been distilled a couple times to remove everything black then work it.

White powder gold is missing some key aspects in my opinion. We need salts and a liquid, how do get this from white powder gold.

Letting liquids ferment… we get a sludge at the bottom and then do what with it? Why not distill the liquids over to end up with earth, then use the liquid to “calcine” the salts out of the “earth” that resulted from our distillation.

Once you have your refined salts and liquid, let that ferment and collect the energies people are hoping to collect from the raw material. Isn’t this more efficient?

 

[Andro]

@Coots I suggest you read the Golden Chain of Homer attentively, if you haven't already.

The Foundational Principles are all laid out in there, better and clearer than in any other text, IMO.

 

[Andro]

Yes I understand what you mean, though it is also said that some are closer than others.

There is an ideal substance to extract the one matter and create the stone which exhibits the values we want.

I am convinced we can get all the “ingredients” from a single substance which is the perfect “birthing” place of the stone.

Are you by any chance from the "Book of Aquarius" Pee-Pee club?

 

[Coots]

@Coots I suggest you read the Golden Chain of Homer attentively, if you haven't already.

I have, along with countless others, everything i could get my hands on.

There are some books i tend to go back to, the ones which all say the same thing, even if using different language.

My issue with later works is the tendency for people to deviate from instruction and making their own observations fit with the instructions, even if not accurate.

This was always going to be the case due to earlier alchemists referring to the same substance using many names and the same name for many substances.

I think there comes a point where you just have to stop reading and start putting in practical work. It teaches more than any book in my opinion.

 

[Coots]

Are you by any chance from the "Book of Aquarius" Pee-Pee club?

Not at all, i find some theories in the book quite interesting, however feel his method was wrong in the preparation phase.

The book is fantastic due to the multitudes of quotes from various sources, but i find his understanding and take away from many sources to be lacking.

I read most books, most instructions of people thinking they knew the way, yet always find deviations from the instructions left by the older alchemists.

I am quite open minded and will consider all possible sources of information yet do not cling to any one method or way of thinking if new evidence suggests my current understanding is lacking.

 

[Andro]

There is an ideal substance to extract the one matter and create the stone which exhibits the values we want.
I am convinced we can get all the “ingredients” from a single substance which is the perfect “birthing” place of the stone.

Would you care to share what this "ideal substance" might be, in your opinion?

 

[Coots]

Would you care to share what this "ideal substance" might be, in your opinion?

Not yet, i didn’t make this thread to tell people what i am using, it was more to generate conversation, about the substances, methods, various stages of making the stone and so on.

The preparation phase is the least described by the older alchemists, and that is the downfall for many aspiring alchemists in my opinion. The bias towards the book of aquarius is quite of obvious too. He failed to make the stone and the reason is quite obvious but it shouldn’t close people off to considering urine as a valid starting substance because it definitely can be, it ticks enough of the boxes.

Now we have this monumental wall, which substance/substances to use and in which way to prepare them… it means you can waste decades because of bias towards someone who had the wrong method but right substance, or someone who had the wrong substance but applied the correct method.

Once the substance has been prepared making the stone nowadays is literally setting a setting on a waterbath and letting nature do her thing. Occasionally increasing the heat as per the stage.

That part isn’t the issue, it’s how to get the substance that goes in the flask which is…

 

[Andro]

Once the substance has been prepared making the stone nowadays is literally setting a setting on a water bath and letting nature do her thing. Occasionally increasing the heat as per the stage.

What does the classical literature have to say about this? Preparing the matter and "putting it to the fire" is not to be interpreted literally, in most cases. A bit of heat can help maintain agitation, but the "Secret Fire" does not come from the water bath. Some "Secret Fire" IS contained in the matter, but not nearly enough to bring the operation to a glorious end, IMO. "Spagyric Plus" at best, if we're lucky. While we only need a few Seeds and some good Soil, we require PLENTY of Rain.

 

[Coots]

What does the classical literature have to say about this? Preparing the matter and "putting it to the fire" is not to be interpreted literally, in most cases. A bit of heat can help maintain agitation, but the "Secret Fire" does not come from the water bath. Some "Secret Fire" IS contained in the matter, but not nearly enough to bring the operation to a glorious end, IMO. "Spagyric Plus" at best, if we're lucky. While we only need a few Seeds and some good Soil, we require PLENTY of Rain.

Yes there is a secret fire in the substance itself but you still require external fire to move the process along. Your message just seems a bit contradictory…

Plenty of rain is easily achieved with the correct proportions, a closed vessel does not lose it’s humidity, we merely regulate the external heat to ensure adequate rains and let the internal heat do it’s thing.