I almost died, and am in the hospital. * READ IF YOU ARE DOING THE INTERNAL PATH *

[Jimmy Rig]

The issue is that people don't take warnings without a concrete example, and there has been a recent example of someone intending to ingest a dangerous substance. As mentioned, an autopsy report would clarify any misunderstandings, and instead of being disrespectful, it could help save another life. As practicing alchemists, we have a responsibility to protect others where we can.

I understand your sentiment and agree;
I think demanding answers from the family could be considered inappropriate.

heck the first few pages of this thread, he was a sick man and was reaching out to the forum for help.
NOT ONE PERSON advised him to check his mercury levels!!!
Which either means you’re all cunts, or that you all had no idea of the fact that liver and kidney failure is a symptom of mercury poisoning.
I can’t help with the first one, but I can help with the second (and I just did).

Many of us weren't here at that time and/or do not have the relevant expertise to advise. I am glad you are in a position to help now and have been able too.

I don't think your posts are trash generally, I just feel that this quest for hard answers seems a little bit over the top for it being so long ago and we are not entitled to heckle the family for answers IMO. I understand that the intention here is to clarify and keep the record straight or whatever but ultimately we all have personal responsibility for what we choose to dabble with. All for warnings, less so for inquisitions.

 

[Lakshmana]

It's a bit too much to try to draw conclusions but mercury poisoning is one of the biggest dangers playing with lye and m-states and many researchers have lost kidney function over these powders.

Good harm reduction is always using food grade materials and low doses.
+ supplementing zeolite and activated carbon to give the body means to get rid of toxins.

With respect.

 

[Awani]

And BTW, I think a lot of your posts are garbage too.

Don’t make it personal.

I understand your sentiment and agree;
I think demanding answers from the family could be considered inappropriate.

I agree.

It could be suicide for all we know. We also have to acknowledge liability for the self: take a risk, deal with the effect

Seth-Ra is really the only one that can possibly say anything about it, and he already has done that. Anything else is speculation. He could have been hit by a car for all we know.

If it was due to ingesting a substance, well he was not the first nor the last alchemist to die that way. I think that convo is more important than the exact details why or how Aleilius died.

Saftey First!

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Wherever Aleilius is, I hope he is at peace or at least reincarnated into nobility. He’d love that… and he’d be the black sheep for sure. 😂 And that is a good thing.

 

[Illen A. Cluf]

I understand your sentiment and agree;
I think demanding answers from the family could be considered inappropriate.

Demanding answers from the family is not something that I would ever suggest. What I was saying is that someone at the time, I believe it was a sibling, had offered to provide the results of the autopsy, and that this was never done. There was likely a good reason it wasn't provided.

All I know for certain is what he told me in an email only about four days before he passed away. I believe I had offered to pass along that information to the sibling in case it contained anything significant from their perspective in trying to ascertain what may have happened. I can't recall whether he took me up on the offer or not. It was many years ago.

 

[Blacksmith]

Seth-Ra is really the only one that can possibly say anything about it, and he already has done that. Anything else is speculation. He could have been hit by a car for all we know.

I agree

ghetto alchemist said:
heck the first few pages of this thread, he was a sick man and was reaching out to the forum for help.
NOT ONE PERSON advised him to check his mercury levels!!!
Which either means you’re all cunts, or that you all had no idea of the fact that liver and kidney failure is a symptom of mercury poisoning.
I can’t help with the first one, but I can help with the second (and I just did).

Seth-Ra hasn't already said that it isn't mercury.

BUT anyway, I believe that he certainly ignored some shadows, many other members worked with mercury and even distilled it without adequate apparatus and they are alive, in alchemy the relationship between matter and operator is very strong if the soul of the operator is not ready, the subject matter.

Give a recipe for making a golden alkaline salt from water to a random person, they can follow it exactly and they won't get anything.

He probably didn't have the soul prepared for the operation he intended to do, and so a poison was generated.

But I think what really matters next discussed is: Face the shadows with caution and only if you have the right weapons

 

[Seth-Ra]

His hospitalization that he wrote about at the start of this thread, is not what killed him.

If you want to speculate about potential contaminates in his earlier works, fine, go for it. But that's not the cause of death, so stop reaching.

He had a series of health issues, some  possibly related to his works, others not at all and just the luck of the dice genetic/health wise. The family confided some knowledge of this to me while I was at his funeral and spending time with them.

No, it is not, at all appropriate to want to heckle his family over this. The warnings are there, and everyone that spends  any time in these circles sees them. Trying to errantly make his death into some sort of display for folks,isn't going to help them, and again the conclusions you're drawing are errant anyway.

The family does not want his autopsy results broadcast to the world and that reaction tracks with my understanding of what happened, and how he was found (keeping in mind I was on the phone with his brother when he walked in the room), and that info is not relevant to this forum beyond general warnings.

The one who knows, did not even reveal the results to others of the family. It's a moot point. Period. End of story.

Take what warnings and what info has been given, and let it go.

Pray for him, and his grieving family, and stop playing internet detective with public posts from years prior that aren't relevant to, nor reality of, his actual private workings and were just snippets of the reality he chose to show and discuss, 4-6 years prior to his acute death.

Don't forget him, but let him rest in peace, and his family grieve in peace.



~Jessie

 

[Awani]

Mod note: I will close this thread for now. I was waiting for Seth-Ra to have the final word. Thanks for the input and your loyalty to a friend. A rare trait that should be hailed.

All this is still very recent for anyone personally involved. We need to respect that. Thank you.

🙏

If anyone wants to discuss the dangers of alchemy in general please do that (just make a thread or go here).