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How to get into the Weird, Wild, Wise, Wide Sacred Science of Alchemy ?

solomon levi

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I recommend plants simply because they don't cost anything - you can go out and gather them, you can start working in your kitchen, you can realise the three essentials and then apply that to minerals. It's just simple and not intimidating.
If i were a beginner and starting on minerals/metals, from reading i would probably
get the idea to start with lead or some lead ore, and right away that would propose
dangers. And every beginner breaks vessels; you wouldn't want to do that with
lead acetate in your kitchen or whatever... :(


Why is making a plant stone not helpful for making a mineral stone Salazius? I think it is.
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It is of course helpful for some. I don't deny. And spagyric Stones are a valuable level of medicine too.

But that's not the question, the question is : is it really so helpful in order to learn the Magnum Opus ? Yes, maybe again, for some people it can help. My experience is no. It wasn't at all necessary.

In spagyrics we are not in the Magnum Opus manipulations. It's in my opinion different, and the possible difficult part, is to change your mind or vision upon alchemical process once you have made your mind on spagyrical one. How to not mix up the two ? And then, how not having troubles in the Magnum Opus ?
But I agree, it's easier to start the Great Work with spagyric basis, than nothing at all.

When you learn your magnum opus, you have to fail it several time in order to have after success. I think it is a condition sine qua non, even with spagyrics as a basics.

That's just my point of view... :)
 

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Hey, there hasn't been any explanation of RAMS yet. I've heard it mentioned before in some of the other forums, and it seems like a good resource of information, but I don't know what it is or where to find it.
 

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Yeah, but not all of it. I still don't know where RAMS is. I can't use it if I can't find it.
 

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Be nice to our lil' stone. :D
[lillith = lil' lith(os)] ;)
 

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I'm not expecting to be spoon fed everything. If someone gives me a source though, then they should at least tell me where to find it if they know. Do not treat me like a child simply because I am not afraid of asking questions. There is nothing wrong with that, and if someone had told me there is a link posted, then I would have found it. It's a simple question for a simple answer. If that is to much for you to handle then don't post a message. Some one nicer and more polite can answer my question.

Sincerely,
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Lilith,

Salazius posted for you a direct link to where you can get the RAMS materials, and when you asked again, he re-directed you to the exact same link which he posted earlier.
I really don't see the problem - just click on the link and find out. All the relevant information is in there. That's all there is to it.

If you're still not able to click on the provided link and find what you're looking for, some Internet Tutorials may be useful.
Hint: Click your mouse on the words Internet Tutorials.

As for the link provided by Salazius, you just do the same thing. You click your mouse on the following underlined words below, and the relevant web page will open:

http://ramsdigital.com/

Best wishes.
 

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That post had skipped my attention. Thank you for bringing it to my attention, and I am sorry for being a little short with you. However, I would appreciate you do so with a better attitude. I do not appreciate your sarcasm, and a simple explanation without rude remarks is very easy to accomplish.

With Sincere Gratitude,
Lillith
 

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That post had skipped my attention. I do not appreciate your sarcasm [...]

I think you would do better focusing on your own attention than on what your filters perceive as 'sarcasm' or as 'rude'.

My advice not to expect to be spoonfed is neither sarcastic, nor rude.
It's just a sincere piece of advice, distilled from the experience of someone who has been treading this path for quite some time.
If you had tried to look with more focus, the relevant post would not have 'skipped your attention'.

Besides, if you go up a few posts, you'll see that I'm not the one treating you like a child.
Part of being mature is dealing with things that cross your path not exactly in the way you would expect them to.

Take or reject what's being given, that's up to your discernment.
If you prefer to focus on appearance instead of content, you may be missing out a lot.

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If you're still not able to click on the provided link and find what you're looking for, some Internet Tutorials may be useful.
Hint: Click your mouse on the words Internet Tutorials.

I get that you are trying to help me, but if you are aggravated with me then please do not show it when trying to help me. I'm only human and I will make mistakes. I don't deny that, and I have never tried. Please understand though, that when you criticize me it is better to make it constructive so that I understand without being offended. Most people would ignore the information you give them and simply take offense. So for future reference if you are helping a new student to Alchemy, try to make your criticism a little more constructive.

Thank You,
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Most people would ignore the information you give them and simply take offense.

lillith93 I think that Andro it trying to show you that one needs to be self
reliant...I would love for someone to lay everything on a plate for me but then I
would never mature. The difficulties are part of the recipe.

In your quote above, who loses out by ignoring the information?

You must look at these things in many ways. You have been given some sound
advice. Would you be the one to ignore it?

Ghislain
 

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Look, I'm not saying I don't appreciate the advice, and I am not asking things to be handed to me. I don't know where people are getting this from. I simply asked someone to point me in the right direction, and people gave me a crap load of information. I've been sifting through and trying to find what can help, but I'm only human and I missed a few things. Androgynus pointed that out, and while I appreciate that he could have been a little more polite about it. What I meant in that quote was that if you are going to give advice you need to give it nicely. Less mature people would ignore the advice and focus only on what it is that offended them. I am not saying I am ignoring his advice. I am letting him know that some would.

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I'm just starting in Alchemy, and I find it all very confusing. I'm trying to learn basic things like, "Whats a Transmutation Circle?", "How do you transmuite things and what to you transmute?" and other general questions. Sorry if I sound kind of ignorant, but I pretty much am. Please help me get started.
 

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I'm just starting in Alchemy, and I find it all very confusing.

I won't miss the chance to quote my friend Salazius when he says:

"Keep it simple, because it is very complicated."

Also, quoth Sendivogius:

"Simplicity is the Seal of Truth."

There is indeed a great underlying simplicity behind the enormously complex picture which our 'normal'/'vulgar' eyes and minds paint for us...

But apparently, we must pass through the wilderness of complexity to see the gifts which had been there all the time in the first place...

I'm trying to learn basic things like, "Whats a Transmutation Circle?", "How do you transmute things and what to you transmute?" and other general questions.

Maybe it's a little too soon for such questions? Maybe an Initial Basic Hermetic Foundation of your World Vision would be more appropriate? Just my opinion...

Please help me get started.

You already got started :) You're here, aren't you?

(And Welcome to Alchemy Forums, by the way!)
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All this being said, I would recommend some basic reading... You can find some very good suggestions in the Alchemical Texts Section, and especially in THIS THREAD (IMO).

Have a great journey of discovery!
 

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1. You have to understand very well, precisely the true goal of Alchemy.

It's NOT the Stone, it's NOT gold. It's ALL about Spirituality.

It's a spiritual understanding before everything else, this understanding, translated into a "lab language", can lead to the Stone, this Fruit, leads you to the Core/Source of the Matrix.

We create a medium, a bridge, to pass from the periphery to the Center.


2. You have to erase all false concepts : Virgin Vision

Empty your cup, remove your glasses & filters : toughts, believes, ideas, concepts, culture, informations, etc. Put them aside for a moment. until a new, higher, clearer vision comes.

Be empty, not knowing.
Be humble. No, you don't know. Because if it was the case, you would have the Stone now.


3. You have to develop a profound understanding of Nature through meditation (Hermetical Vision)

What do you know about the polarities in the Universe ? Genesis ? Structures of forms ? Compositions of matters ? Cycles ?
What do you know about all this in Nature ?
Keep asking "why this, why that"... Keep asking ! Seek for answers ! Nature is the Book of all books. learn to read it ! Decypher it ! Be passionnate about that.


4. Learn to hold the Hemetical Paradox and think out of the box.

"You have to die a lot in order to be immortal." This is an Hermetical Paradox.
Put the concepts in all possible senses. Try them all.


5. Work in the Lab.

Matter is a great teacher. And Spiritus too ... One can learn a lot with simple experiments in the lab. Only if one can learn from mistakes and success. If one can understand what "happened", then it's okay !


6. Work in the Oratorium.

The laws in Theurgy and Astrology, and Alchemy are the same. Work in an energetical way too. In, and out, lab, and oratirium. This makes equilibrium.
Oratorium is reading, praying, doing Theurgy, and Astrology, studying Hermetics, and developping the Hermetical understanding of the Universe. It's also practicing some yoga for example.


7. Keep or seek your inner child & fairy Tales taste.

The Fairy Tales mind is important. Totally opposed to the Scientific Vision, it is nonetheless rational.
It can open your vision, your soul to something else. It's not by chance that old Alchemists put their secrets in fairy tales !


8. Take notes & photos.

Keep records of your experiments. Take photos. It's sometime important to have a record in order to see a detail, etc.


9. Learn english, latin, german, french, or italian ... etc, if necessary.

But it is not a necessity. But it is better to read texts in the first language.
Now, the only language you have to speak perfectly is the language of Nature Itself.


10. Saturate your spirit with Alchemical Symbols/engravings.

Make a collection of images, paintings, engravings, etc. And meditate on them, look at them, enjoy them. You can have dreams about them, seeing new engravings in your dreams ... look at differences, and common points. You can paint them, draw them. print them and put them in your lab.


11. See Alchemy everywhere. Make your Vision of the process wider.

Open your mind. Alchemy = Nature, and Nature is expressed everytime, everywhere, and the Archetypes, analogies, are found in a lot of mediums like novels, Sci-fi, tv shows, music, films ...some of these mediums speak sometime more openly of the Alchemical secrets than Alchemical books themselves !


12. Keep hope. Never give up : like Thomas Edison.

Always put on the fire your work. Again and again.
Try, try and try again. until you succeed. You want it ? So work for it. No secret.


13. Details, details, details in lab/oratorium.

There is no such thing as details in Alchemy.
Maybe in engravings... sometime.
A detail can kill you.
A detail can make you mad. So please, try to open your vision and to encompass the "whole" thing before putting in practice something.


14. Never beleive without experimenting it.

Either it is your though, or the informations of someone else, always go to the lab, and put it into practice. Confirm it, or not. Matter, lab, never lie.

When you think you "get it", now, it's time to practice and to see if, actually, you get it or not. And sometime practice can make you a step farther.


15. Take care of yourself.

In all your dimensions, take care of yourself. Body, soul/emotions, mind and spirituality. One cannot approach the understanding of the Stone with a low vibration.

Be healthy, in body, mind, soul. Develop Presence to the Now. Keep cool. Enjoy life. Do what you have to do. Don't bypass your life for the Stone.

Everything interfere on everything, everytime. Cultivate positivity in all the areas of your life.

So, stay tuned to what's going on around you, be "aware" (merci Jean Claude VanDamme lol).


16. Stick to the good authors.

Denys Zachaire, Jean D'Espagnet, Nicolas Flamel, Limojon de St Didier, Roger Bacon, Paracelsus, Cosmopolite, Bernard de la Marche Trévisan, Michael Maier, Lambsprink, Raymond Lulle, Arnaud de Villeneuve, Trismosin ... etc etc!

From my blog.
 

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Very good, sound and practical advice my friend - well said. :)

I think numbers 1, 11, and 15 are missed most often, usually unto bad results of mind body and spirit. If balance is not in all areas of life, then it is in none of them at all, and if everything is not Alchemy, then Alchemy cannot be Truth, and if the heart of it is not the Spirit itself manifesting and acting - then all is nothing at its core/heart/soul.
Luckily thats not the case, of course, but still - i personally feel special importance to be placed on those as the ones most often overlooked.
(based on what ive seen anyway.) ;)




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I'm considering printing this and placing it above my workspace, thanks for posting these Salazius!!

"The 18 Alchemical Guidelines of Salazius" should be made a Sticky for the forum :)
 
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17. Get the Principles before the recipe !

Plenty of recipes everywhere. But the laws, principles, they are the basics. If you have them all, you have the short cut, you don't loose time money, and energy. Knowledge is power, and shortcut too !

18. Keep it simple !

Please, keep it simple ! How many times we have Alchemists getting lost in the most complicated labyrinth ever ... and they made it ! All by themselves !


The last ones ! :)

Glad you enjoyed it guys. Cool if it can be used effectively as a guideline for you !

I'm not saying that 'everything is in there', but still, if you use them and work on each steps - which can be hard and totally appart from Alchemy - I'm sure one can enhance his level of Hermetical Understanding quickly and having more fun in life.
 
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I'm considering printing this and placing it above my workspace, thanks for posting these Salazius!!

"The 16 Alchemical Guidelines of Salazius" should be made a Sticky for the forum :)

I second that, Nibiru.

I cut & pasted the 18-points to Microsoft Works to clean up the (few) spelling errors and then changed it over to a nicer font [Wish I had an old-English font to give it that "Ten Commandments" look :)].

Such an elegant & useful Swiss-Army-Knife of guidelines.
 
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Yeah ... sorry for the "aurtografic" errors :)

Let's make two nice pieces of marble and put them in a covenant ! lol
 

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Clay/Cuneiform tablets, Emerald tablets, Mosaic tablets, copper scrolls, sheepskin, all had their day.

I think a spherical Tag Cloud would provide a nice presentation-media for your Alchemy Guidelines.

Note the Second example in the first link. Place cursor on the word of interest, rotating it to the front.
I'm not sure if this can be done on a larger scale with larger portions of text or not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_cloud

[Actually, a simple print-out situated for easy-referral should work for me. :)]
 

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Okayyyyyyy

Tag Cloud seems to be a very interesting ... but as all clouds, it is very volatile.

Anyway, a print is good ... :)
 

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Okayyyyyyy

Tag Cloud seems to be a very interesting ... but as all clouds, it is very volatile.

Anyway, a print is good ... :)

I looked up the word “nebulous” in the dictionary and the example they gave was
“an animated word-cloud in cyberspace” so that certainly underscores your point. :)

And, although my motives were probably transparent, I’ll confess to having submitted
that option because I was afraid I had inadvertently set myself up to be allocated the
honorable-but-rather-more-labor-intensive role of designated marble-tablet engraver.

Anyway, thanks again for the consideration of sharing this concise cornucopia of insights.

:)
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