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How to get into the Weird, Wild, Wise, Wide Sacred Science of Alchemy ?

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This is a Phoenix-thread from the old site created by raedotted.

I can only hope that people will allow themselves to question their understanding of the philosophy of Alchemy, especially if they attempt the practice it. The best way I have found for myself to move forward in alchemy is to start with the basics, and as skill and experience allows - the more complicated and difficult operations can be attempted. The one thing I think is really important to ask people pursuing alchemy is, "What is your motivation for practicing alchemy?" Often times it is for the wrong reasons people pursue alchemy. They seek to make either gold directly, or to make money by commercializing alchemical products. They try and take shortcuts, thinking they can skip a step here and there.

Since alchemy has no set rituals, no lodges, or methods of advancement other than the Work itself, all initiation is said to be interior in this form of esotericism. We initiate ourselves into the Work, and the Work initiates us to higher (and deeper) levels of awareness. The evolvement of the soul through alchemy is a very personal and private affair that occurs almost always when we are alone.

First, we labor to obtain a minimum of seven plant elixirs that will gently harmonize our energies with those of the universe. Once they are gently harmonized we seek to powerfully transform ourselves with even more powerful elixirs, and tinctures of the vegetable kingdom. These are named in order of their initiatory power: Magisteries, the Ens, and finally Opus Minor or Vegetable Stone. So once you are taking the seven planetary elixirs, you can begin making the Magisteries - one for each day. Once you are taking the seven Magisteries, you can make seven Ens tinctures. Once you are taking the seven Ens, you can make the Vegetable Stone. Once you have made the Vegetable Stone, you have mastered the Vegetable Kingdom, and your lower natures.

Second, we seek to gain first hand knowledge of the operations and works of Nature. This way one can understand the essential unity of all creation. By exploring materials in the laboratory, we can understand the more subtle realms preceding the physical manifestation. Here is where there are many interesting paths to explore and each one sheds light on another as we learn to work with nature.

Third, we seek the Philosophers Stone. Along the way we work with the Metallic Kingdom which provides many insights, and medicines of the most powerful kind. However, the Philosophers Stone is the highest achievement in alchemy, representing the ultimate understanding and application of the operative forces of Nature.

Hence we become thrice greatest, having understood the operations and works of Nature. This is more rewarding than anything else, because it takes those things esteemed as worthless to most common people, and makes them the most prized treasures. It makes the things prized commonly to be most valuable, worthless to the alchemist. This makes a man humble and without hubris. In this way great works can be wrought, and miracles can be manifested. The sick can be cured, the ignorant can be educated, and the mind can be made as clear as crystal. That is one of the many promises of Real Alchemy.

Your Brother in Alchemy,
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I'm not sure how effective this will be,

but if there are some people that could explain

how you actually use alchemy that would be great.

I've seen plenty of things explaining the philosophy

and the history behind alchemy, but I haven't seen

anything telling people who are new how to perform

alchemy. I would greatly appreciate some help.



Thank You:D
 

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Concentrate all your attention on the top of your head. Do this, this supreme act of the will, until all doubt is cast away, and you are illuminated by the Vision of the Star of the Magi, Polaris.

Lest you be deceived! What you have just read is the distilled essence of over 15 years of reading, practing in the lab, and wending wayward through all Manor of other blind Alleys and Dead ends. More direct and truthful instructions you are not likely to find, here or elsewhere. Do not worry yourself overmuch with glassware. Alchemy proper has very little in common with modern chemistry.

Above all, no matter which path you choose to tread: Persist!

Semper Fidelis,
AB RK

I'm not sure how effective this will be,
but if there are some people that could explain
how you actually use alchemy that would be great.
I've seen plenty of things explaining the philosophy
and the history behind alchemy, but I haven't seen
anything telling people who are new how to perform
alchemy. I would greatly appreciate some help.

Thank You:D
 

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Polaris???
 

Ab Roek

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Leo,

Heaven and Earth meet at the top of the Chemical Sky (Saturn). Our Tree hangs with its roots in the sky and its fruits dangling heavy near the earth. The Dome of the Alembic, indeed the Dome of the Cranium are where the volatilized salt finally becomes solid again.

Polaris???

Gold cometh from the North.

Fnord
AB RK
 

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I don't mean to burst your bubble or anything, but I'm looking for something I can understand. Perhaps act as if I have no clue what so ever about what you are talking about, which is mostly true. I'm a completely blank slate. Start from the very beginning and go from there. Because I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
 

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Lillith93

Perhaps a good place to start may be with an overview of Alchemy.

When I first came to this forum it was suggested that I read,
"The Complete Idiots Guide to Alchemy", by Dennis William Hauck.

I am not sure if this is the best book to read first but it is a start.

Perhaps others can give better advice on reading materials

Ghislain
 

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Hey, I got a good explanation from Seth-Ra. He didn't just explain the concept of Alchemy. He gave me examples on how to actually use alchemy. Just to throw it out there, when some one new is trying to learn alchemy you might want to try it. It really helps. Thanks for trying though. I really do appreciate it, and I value your opinions and ideas. Please if you think of anything that could possibly help me in my search for knowledge then don't hesitate to tell me.

And thank you Ghislain for that suggestion. I will certainly look for that book. :)
 

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I don't mean to burst your bubble or anything[...]

You're not bursting anyone's bubble.

However, a good place to start studying this (or any) Art would be to first burst your own :)

I'm looking for something I can understand.

There are many levels of undestanding 'something'.
If Alchemy was easy to understand, the Elixir of Life would be available in vending machines.

I'm a completely blank slate.

No, you're not :cool:

If you were, you would probably be the one teaching us, instead of being the one asking for help ;)

Start from the very beginning and go from there.

Funny, that's the exact same thing I was going to recommend to you ;)

Because I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

When one goes to a foreign country, it is most advisable to make it a top priority learning its language, or at least the basics...

There are some good books out there to get you started. Many of them are mentioned on this forum. Others will follow.

Also, you said Seth-Ra has explained a few things to you.
He has an excellent grasp of the works of nature.
I'm sure he can be very helpful as well.

So welcome, and best of luck with your quest!
 

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Welcome lillith93,

There are some books in amazon about alchemy and most of them have a description of their content so you could choose one that best fits your need.

I would suggest to look at The Path of Alchemy
 

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Greetings lillith93.

Most people recommend beginning lab alchemy with plants - distilling the
essential oils and calcining the salts. You can find that in those books mentioned.

I believe Ab Roek is describing what some might call spiritual alchemy, which
is ultimately practical none the less. For some, the body is all the laboratory one needs. Everything is within you.
Others do both internal and external simultaneously. As the Hermetic axiom goes:
"As above, so below... as within, so without."

I hope that was helpful. :)

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However, a good place to start studying this (or any) Art would be to first burst your own :)

That certainly brings things to a new perspective. I will certainly work on that. I understand what you mean. You cannot fill a cup if it is already full. I will work on "bursting my bubble." I've been looking into spiritual calcination some, but I understand that is not something beginner's should start off with. If there is another method that you know of I would love to hear it. I believe I must start by bringing my ego down a notch or two.

I appreciate all the book references everyone has been giving me, and I am going to see if I can find those books for my studies. I greatly appreciate everyone's advice, and would be happy to hear more. :)
 

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I dont see why calcination of the self-ego would be bad for beginners, but for beginning mental/spiritual/energy work, meditations would be good, and trying to contact your inner-self, via meditation and before sleeping. The meditation i use and have heard other successes with, is with the chakra and kundalini meditations, though at some points they can be dangerous depending, but for the most part its safe. (from what ive seen and done.) :)

As for books, the ones i got when i started, and still use when i use books (lol) are:

"Sorcerer's Stone: a Beginner's Guide to Alchemy" - Dennis William Hauck.

"The Book of Alchemy" (i forget who its by, but has good full color alchemical paintings and drawings.)

"Real Alchemy: A Primer for Practical Alchemy" - Robert Allen Bartlett

"Alchemy Reference Guide" (that was good mostly for its knowledge of symbols used.)

I was interested in lab alchemy, so i also got an herbal medicine book and herbal medicine chart, but i got it all from: [link broken]

There may be sites with better prices, or shipping, or so, but thats just where i got mine. :)

Good luck in your studies.

~Seth-Ra
 

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Why should one start with spagirics after all ? This is mostly the LPN that say that no ? Everybody is different. I started spagirics after the Great Work's works.

Why not starting by reading real alchemical process in RAMS in order to understand how one can make the Stone and the general process in the Great Work ? Why beginning with process you will in fact more or less use in the end of the Great Work ? If ever you reach that state, what you have learned with plants will not be of great interest since spagyrics and alchemy are not really the same science.
I don't see why trying to learn german in order to speak english if I can compare. Some words are the same or quite, but it is a different language.

If you don't care of plants, work on metals or anything else. Sure spagyrics can help, depending what you seek, but basic spagyrics will not do the thing in my opinion, you really have to push very far in order to have clues for the Great Work.
But you have to find the keys to the Black, Green, White, and Red, and that's not easy, it takes time, and whatever spagirics you do, you will not find the Great Work in it. It's the way I see it.
 

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Why not starting by reading real alchemical process in RAMS in order to understand how one can make the Stone and the general process in the Great Work ?
Sooner or later one will reach to those processes, but all those books in RAMS, written in symbolic languge, will probably make no sense to a beginner. I remember from myself, you need to see concentrated in one book all the aspects of alchemy and then choose to 'specify' in one that best fits you (spagyrics, spiritual alchemy, lab alchemy, ..).

Why should one start with spagirics after all ? This is mostly the LPN that say that no ?
Supposedly, one starts with spagyrics in order to raise his/hers energy levels and obtain better health in order to be able to understand the processes and do spiritual work. Without adequate levels of energy and health, we cannot meditate deeply, we cannot feel the 'etheric energy' running through our bodies and so we cannot manipulate it. Now, if spagyrics really work and heal, I don't know. It is true, there are plenty of other methods too to raise your spiritual 'awarness'.
 

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I think that reading of books which are not written by reputable Adepts is contraproductive and even worse if at beginning.

The opinions of others are wrong, cuz they were not able to do IT.

& what is IT?
from common fairytales:
"... go I do not know where and bring I do not know what ..."

Never heard about something like this? Thank your TV brainwashing.


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I think that reading of books which are not written by reputable Adepts is contraproductive and even worse if at beginning.
hi,
I could not agree more.
lilith, if you want to learn traditional knowledge, as alchemy happens to be, stay with the sources, for as difficult it might be.
do not worry if you do not understand a single word. it is normal. most of the adepts in this art spent most of their lives reading these books and working in the lab without having understood single word, as they declare.
so, if you are really motivated, resign yourself to a long and painful research. I'm afraid there are no shortways, no dumb's guide or any other modern breviary can get you there. you will only get a misleading and often superficial interpretation of the sources.
instead I would advice to face the sources by yourself, and in doing this to try to get rid of all the modern/logical/ethno-egocentrical prejudices you can be aware of, and to seek understanding more into yor unconscious world than inside logical realm. that is, to study the ancients with humility and pray.
anyway, this is only an apprentice's opinion.

with humility
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Sooner or later one will reach to those processes, but all those books in RAMS, written in symbolic languge, will probably make no sense to a beginner.

In RAMS, there are books upon clear and real process, with no symbolic language. I was refering to that. Like Tugel, like Digby chemical secrets, etc.
 

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I have already started down that path. I have been doing as much research as I possibly can. I have had to stick to online book sources for the most part, and a lot of the books I've been reading have been from the 1800's. So trust me I am not looking for the short way out. I am just saying I would like a beginning. I am definitely smart enough to understand what is being said, but I like to start from the beginning rather than the middle or the end. Sure I'm using modern technology to do my research, but I'm researching some fairly old and sophisticated stuff. I wouldn't dare try to find a short way out of learning something actually worth knowing. It would completely belittle the thing I am trying to learn.

With sincere gratitude,
Lillith
 

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If you want to know the books I'm researching right now, then here are the links:
Swedenborg, A Hermetic Philosopher-- http://books.google.com/books?id=QN...chemy&lr=&as_brr=1&cd=18#v=onepage&q=&f=false
Alchemy and Alchemist-- http://books.google.com/books?id=-Q...chemy&lr=&as_brr=1&cd=12#v=onepage&q=&f=false
Alchemy Rediscovered and Restored-- http://books.google.com/books?id=-Q...chemy&lr=&as_brr=1&cd=12#v=onepage&q=&f=false
That's just the ones I'm working on right now. I am also keeping a journal with all the information that catches my eye. Just stuff I want to remember later. If you guys know of any books I can get for free then let me know. Just remember I'm a 16 year old girl with out a job. So I don't have money to go on Amazon and stuff.

Once again, I thank you all for helping me. I greatly appreciate it. I will take make sure to remember everything you guys have told me.