HIM

[Andro]

What I continue to come up with is that this is a process you are using to arrive at .... our First ("virgin") Earth.

You continue to come up with what I have already written explicitly

I've already described the attributes of this Earth and where it actually becomes an Earth, before that only being much less "corporeal", in the Air/Aer/Aether.

1. It "floats" on the surface of the Water.

2. It has an affinity with the oily stratum that forms on the surface of the Water (I assume that's exactly what Christophorus described in one of his Water Experiments).

3. It has to be separated from the "Slimy Stratum" it appears in (not difficult).

4. Its Origin is apparently not from the Water itself, or at least not entirely. However, both the Water and the Vessel(s) are extremely easy and cheap to obtain. Still, not all Waters are the same. Good Water is better than bad Water

5. Its corporeal constitution appears to be similar to Calx/Lime (St. Didier) but it's not exactly the same.

6. It is tasteless, odorless and insoluble in both polar and non-polar solvents.

7. It is inert (does not "release its energy") unless first liquefied and "opened" by its "Spirit" counterpart. Then it becomes the "First Mercury", or "Mercury Simplex".

8. In and of itself, it has no medicinal or transmuting properties whatsoever, because it is still fully "locked" or "sealed".

9. Conjecture: This matter MAY be very similar in properties to the inert "Ormus" precipitate, after washing ALL the other salts away. I'm talking OCD-level washing

10. What I'm writing here is not just from my own experimental practice, but is also strongly supported by the relevant literature.

 

[theFool]

The field in which they collect water from their water traps
has a cow on the left and bull on the right.
Why not lions or ducks ?

This is a reference to the time of year the water must be collected. The animals are a lamb and a bull, a reference to constellations of aries and taurus.

 

[Kibric]

Sorry my mis identification. You might find this interesting.

In plants, generally the leafy parts are relatively high in calcium and low in phosphorus, whereas the reverse is true of the seeds or grain. Legumes, in general, have a higher calcium content than grasses. As grasses mature, phosphorus is transferred to the seed (grain). Furthermore, the phosphorus content of the plant is influenced markedly by the availability of phosphorus in the soil. Therefore, low-quality pasture devoid of legumes and range plants tends to be naturally low in phosphorus, particularly as the forage matures and the seeds fall.

Sheep subsisting on mature, brown, summer forage and winter range sometimes develop a phosphorus deficiency. Sheep kept on such forages or fed low-quality hay with no grain should be provided a phosphorus supplement (ie, defluorinated rock phosphate) added to a salt-trace mineral mixture. Because most forages have a relatively high calcium content, particularly if there is a mixture of legumes, diets usually meet maintenance requirements for this element. However, when corn silage or other feeds from the cereal grains are fed exclusively, ground limestone should be fed daily at the rate of 0.02–0.03 lb (9–14 g).

Sheep seem to be able to tolerate wide calciumhosphorus ratios as long as their diets contain more calcium than phosphorus. However, an excess of phosphorus may be conducive to development of urinary calculi or osteodystrophy. A calciumhosphorus ratio of 1.5:1 is appropriate for feedlot lambs. For pregnant ewes, the diet should contain ≥0.18% and, for lactating ewes, ≥0.27%. A content of 0.2%–0.4% calcium is considered adequate, as long as the ratio is maintained between 1:1 and 2:1.

Ground limestone fed...

https://www.msdvetmanual.com/management-and-nutrition/nutrition-sheep/nutritional-requirements-of-sheep

This is a reference to the time of year the water must be collected. The animals are a lamb and a bull, a reference to constellations of aries and taurus.

It can mean more than one thing. For a coded guide it would make sense. Where are the other stars ?
Only the sun and moon.

Aries element is fire. Taurus element is earth.
Lamb is Aries, the Sun, Fire. On the left.
Bull is Taurus, the Moon, Earth. On the right.
Lamb and bull both also.codes for temperature as well time of the year.

Time of year in code.
Temperature in code.
Process in code.
Materia in code.
All using same symbols.

Preservation of information in a coded pictogram.
Same symbols.multiple meanings. A hidden guide.

 

[black]

You continue to come up with what I have already written explicitly

I've already described the attributes of this Earth and where it actually becomes an Earth, before that only being much less "corporeal", in the Air/Aer/Aether.

1. It "floats" on the surface of the Water.

2. It has an affinity with the oily stratum that forms on the surface of the Water (I assume that's exactly what Christophorus described in one of his Water Experiments).

3. It has to be separated from the "Slimy Stratum" it appears in (not difficult).

4. Its Origin is apparently not from the Water itself, or at least not entirely. However, both the Water and the Vessel(s) are extremely easy and cheap to obtain. Still, not all Waters are the same. Good Water is better than bad Water

5. Its corporeal constitution appears to be similar to Calx/Lime (St. Didier) but it's not exactly the same.

6. It is tasteless, odorless and insoluble in both polar and non-polar solvents.

7. It is inert (does not "release its energy") unless first liquefied and "opened" by its "Spirit" counterpart. Then it becomes the "First Mercury", or "Mercury Simplex".

8. In and of itself, it has no medicinal or transmuting properties whatsoever, because it is still fully "locked" or "sealed".

9. Conjecture: This matter MAY be very similar in properties to the inert "Ormus" precipitate, after washing ALL the other salts away. I'm talking OCD-level washing

10. What I'm writing here is not just from my own experimental practice, but is also strongly supported by the relevant literature.

Thank you for going to the trouble of laying this out so clearly for me.

Now I have a much clearer understanding of this protocol you are using.

In 7. You mention opening this earth with a Spirit ..... first liquefied and "opened" by its "Spirit" counterpart.

It sounds like you have actually worked upon this Earth with it's Spirit to get a Mercury Simplex.

If this is correct ... then many congratulations to you.

 

[black]

Hi theFool

This is a reference to the time of year the water must be collected. The animals are a lamb and a bull, a reference to constellations of aries and taurus.

In the house of Aries by way of the bull

Out of the earth I did gradually pull

With much care and sagacity

The Key to Gods Treasury.

 

[theFool]

Hello guys, thanks for your replies.

It can mean more than one thing. For a coded guide it would make sense. Where are the other stars ?
Only the sun and moon.

It can mean more than one things of course.
But I'm speaking very literally here, if you collect that water other time of year except spring (or autumn to a lesser degree) you will not see what is described in the next plates. So I'm pretty sure those two animals refer to the timing, at least one of their meaning.

 

[Andro]

Addendum:

3. It has to be separated from the "Slimy Stratum" it appears in.

Further experimentation is planned, using the entire Oily Stratum (with the Salt/Earth in it) and see if it "attracts" more.

This idea is based on an older post with a very different approach, but some interesting similarities (Oil -> Salt -> Mercurial Water).

7. It is inert (does not "release its energy") unless first liquefied and "opened" by its "Spirit" counterpart. Then it becomes the "First Mercury", or "Mercury Simplex".

Emphasis on Liquefaction (of the matter itself) as opposed to Common Dissolution via Common Deliquescence.

Some methods (much more time consuming) involve many, many repeated dissolutions and coagulations of common Salts (Sea Salt, Potash, etc.), by exposing them to air/dew, until the Sea Salt itself remains either liquefied or fixed/fusible after Coagulation (possibly depending on the ratios), OR the Potash is no longer attracting humidity and remains insoluble OR any other interesting variation. One Forum Member posted (almost five years ago today) how his Salt changed from Deliquescent to Non-Deliquescent, and how he managed to distill some Interesting Stuff from it. I have not personally gone too far with such methods, but others apparently have.

 

[Christophorus]

You continue to come up with what I have already written explicitly

I've already described the attributes of this Earth and where it actually becomes an Earth, before that only being much less "corporeal", in the Air/Aer/Aether.

1. It "floats" on the surface of the Water.

2. It has an affinity with the oily stratum that forms on the surface of the Water (I assume that's exactly what Christophorus described in one of his Water Experiments).

3. It has to be separated from the "Slimy Stratum" it appears in (not difficult).

4. Its Origin is apparently not from the Water itself, or at least not entirely. However, both the Water and the Vessel(s) are extremely easy and cheap to obtain. Still, not all Waters are the same. Good Water is better than bad Water

5. Its corporeal constitution appears to be similar to Calx/Lime (St. Didier) but it's not exactly the same.

6. It is tasteless, odorless and insoluble in both polar and non-polar solvents.

7. It is inert (does not "release its energy") unless first liquefied and "opened" by its "Spirit" counterpart. Then it becomes the "First Mercury", or "Mercury Simplex".

8. In and of itself, it has no medicinal or transmuting properties whatsoever, because it is still fully "locked" or "sealed".

9. Conjecture: This matter MAY be very similar in properties to the inert "Ormus" precipitate, after washing ALL the other salts away. I'm talking OCD-level washing

10. What I'm writing here is not just from my own experimental practice, but is also strongly supported by the relevant literature.

Hello Andro.

1 - Yes
2 - I do believe so
3 - I think I will manage to do it. I need to figure out how to isolate it. Will try to extract it with a pipette and then OCD wash it with dist. water.
4 - Amen to that! I already tried different water and the results are not the same. The water has definitely a role in the process.

Thank you!

 

[Andro]

Hello Andro

Hello Dear

Thank you!

My pleasure! I'm inspired to share more when I see that people (such as yourself) are actually experimenting AND sharing their experiments.

Maybe you'll come visit me on The Island one day... There's plenty of "HIM" around here

 

[Christophorus]

So do I, and the forum is getting more active lately. This brings me enormous joy.

And yes! I do hope to pay you guys a visit.

All my best to you!

 

[Illen A. Cluf]

Thanks for addressing that issue. You refer to a plate of mutus liber, which is probably the only book that "speaks" openly and without secrecy about the Opus. According to that plate, it seems to me that the influence of sun and moon is already incorporated into the water we collect because it came from the atmosphere. The "alchemical salt" in the atmosphere has already been exposed to the various lights, until we collect it as dew or rain. As I see it, there is no other plate or reference in mutus liber that requires us to further expose the collected water to the elements.

What is your opinion on that?

Look at Plate #9:

 

[Illen A. Cluf]

Yes ... I have seen this point of view mentioned many times over the years, but I'm not a follower
of this practice for the Great Work.

Though I do believe it is of assistance in the Test protocol.


Venus / "HIM" is most potent with an enormous amount of Energy.

When we consider transmuting 1KG of lead (Pb) to gold (Au) the huge concentration of Energy
that is required for this work with just a small piece of the Stone.

Do you have any ideas as to where this massive amount of Energy might come from ?

Many of the alchemists say that it is the prime matter or building block of all that exists. Some call it "spiritus mundi", the spirit of the world. Some suggest that it descends from the heavens and others that it rises from the "central sun" of the world (inner molten core?). All metals are made of it through various degrees of coction and influences (heat, adjacent substances, etc).

 

[Illen A. Cluf]

To complement the previous post,


we see in that plate the water emanating as droplets from a not shown source above the plate (probably it is "God"). During their descension towards earth they receive the influence of the luminaries.

In the plate, they are actually wringing the cloth that they used to collect the dew. This is only one way of collecting our water.

 

[theFool]

Look at Plate #9:

Thanks. This solves the mystery of the meaning of that plate.

 

[Illen A. Cluf]

Thanks. This solves the mystery of the meaning of that plate.

Notice also that the beams of light are not coming from either the Sun or Moon, but from their combined influences.

There is drawing from another work that shows the light emanating from the Sun, being directed to the Moon, and then reflecting directly to the alchemist's plate of water through a magnifying lens. I couldn't find a link to this picture.

 

[Illen A. Cluf]

There is drawing from another work that shows the light emanating from the Sun, being directed to the Moon, and then reflecting directly to the alchemist's plate of water through a magnifying lens. I couldn't find a link to this picture.

I found it. I'm not sure what treatise it comes from. Anyone know?

. - The Solar Path

I wish we all could live in peace :) I also think that human's warm is the best thing in this world :) People like to spend their strength in some stupid quarrels while they could just hug each other and make it a bit warmer for everyone in this cold world :)

alchemyforums.com

 

[Illen A. Cluf]

I found it. I'm not sure what treatise it comes from. Anyone know?

http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?4845-The-Solar-Path&p=55479#post55479

It's from Chymischer Monden-Schein, 1739.

 

[black]

To complement the previous post,

we see in that plate the water emanating as droplets from a not shown source above the plate (probably it is "God"). During their descension towards earth they receive the influence of the luminaries.

Hi theFool

The light coming down to the earth is the energy emitted from the Black Sun.

Green Lion spoke about this many years ago.

Salazius, Edmond Fieschi did not understand the real source of the "Cosmotelluric Energy".

Nothing to do with ultraviolet or "visible light" in general.

Alchemy use the "Black Light", the light which no one of our "instrument" can see.

 

[black]

I've put together a collection of some interesting quotes from Green Lion that may be of great value to some of the new and perhaps older members also.

We can fix the Universal spirit without water, without metal, without nitrogen, without an element that acts like nitrogen.
Even without the protocol which uses moon and sun rays with mirrors.
You just have to hit the rock like Moses in the desert.
A source of clear water, which is the Universal Spirit fixed itself eventually leave the earth.
But patience must be at least 8 months the first time ...
And it is absolutely not magic either chemistry...

But no author explains that clearly.
Because many do not know how.
Fulcanelli himself does not know how to do and used as the majority of alchemists,
a Support for Fixing the Universal Spirit.

I spoke absolutely not about spiritual alchemy or internal alchemy.
I speak of "Laboratory" Alchemy.
The Universal Spirit is fixed itself in a sort of water, but not in humans.

The condensation of the Spiritus Mundi is a very great key.

We have to loose our classical view of the Nature, of the chemical, of the physic.
This condensation is not “normal” in our conception of the World.

A container, which was empty and hermetically sealed, can be filled by a liquid which we cannot understand the manifestation.
All the key is in the allegory of the crucifixion or of the Moshe’s stick, or of the Saint Michel flaming sword.

Yes, the rock can be the body from which the universal spirit can arise. But it is not the only.

Check the Mutus Liber: The space (and not the air) can give this spiritus mundi. That is the second source.

And what is the nature of the rock ? This is not just a metal. This is all the Earth which symbol is like the antimony.
We have to put our sword in the earth or in the air (which is the intermediate between space and earth) to capture the spiritus mundi.
And this sword must be in contact with the hermetically sealed container in which we want to condensate the spiritus mundi.

This rock is indeterminate. It is of vegetable, animal and mineral/metallic origin. The stone is indeterminate. That is why we have to choose the realm in which we want the stone to have any action.

I speak knowingly because I realized in practice. I saw this water with my eyes.
I still need to work out how to speed up its condensation (for now, it takes 8 months for it wants to get out of the earth or air).

Just to make you understand that the stone has not necessarily its original in metallic realm: there are many treaties that talk of a spring of clear water from an oak, or rather just below an oak, roots level.
Similarly to the allegory of the childbirth of Miriam ...
Similarly Cyliani indicates that the clear liquor is from a celestial nymph.
And some say droppings of the North Star.

I do not say that work from the metal reign is bad or not working.
It works, it is clear.
It's the realm which gives the best result.
But it remains determined.
The way I speak is indefinite and therefore more powerful.
The first mercury is extracted from the "rock" is already a powerful medicine. This is the famous Living Mercury spoken Paracelsus.

This verifies that it is the Spiritus Mundi is how it appears (the steps):
- Container empty.
- Appearance of a fat oil at the bottom.
- Appearance of a white salt for two days. (Spontaneous appearance of a magnet for the Spiritus Mundi).
- Transformation of the fatty oil in water.
- Acceleration of condensation when the oil was transformed into a water.

But I worked with a sealed container and I don't use the solar rays directly either with mirrors.

 

[black]

Thank you Illen.

Many of the alchemists say that it is the prime matter or building block of all that exists. Some call it "spiritus mundi", the spirit of the world. Some suggest that it descends from the heavens and others that it rises from the "central sun" of the world (inner molten core?). All metals are made of it through various degrees of coction and influences (heat, adjacent substances, etc).

Yes ... the Great Spiritus Mundi / The "HIM" that must be Evolved and concentrated.

This is the manifestation of the light of the Black Sun.

Then through Alchemic Multiplication to increase its Energy many thousandsfold to then be able to Transmute.

 

[black]

Hello Kibric

To be frank black you haven shown any of your workings ever publicly.

You are correct Kibric.

Basically no one has and yet from armchairs speak with so called authority.
You are an authority on the matter of alchemy
If you have extensive practical experience.

30 years of lab work with hundreds upon hundreds of experiments.

Have read alchemy texts nearly every week of your life.

30 years of reading Alchemy Texts almost every day.

Have shared your experiments and evidence of proof for your path.

"Evidence of proof" ... is not allowed to be made public.

I can count on.one hand those people including me.

Congratulations on your most devout labors.

Armchair alchemist says so much without saying anything.

Those with an ear to hear may well do.

As you say I have shown no lab work at all to speak about on the open forum.

But I have shared what I consider to be a most priceless gift with the forum, more priceless than the Philosopher's Stone and that is that we can all communicate with the "Divine". This is what is of the greatest value to me.

You have given me a nudge so I'm thinking about an experiment with photos to place in the forum. Any suggestions?

Thank you Kibric.

 

[Andro]

I'm thinking about an experiment with photos to place in the forum. Any suggestions?

You could post an experiment showing "highly concentrated HIM" and its action on various matters.

 

[black]

You could post an experiment showing "highly concentrated HIM" and its action on various matters.

I think you have hit the nail on the head Mr. Andro ..... I will do that.

 

[Christophorus]

You could post an experiment showing "highly concentrated HIM" and its action on various matters.

I think you have hit the nail on the head Mr. Andro ..... I will do that.

NICE!

 

[Christophorus]

Hello Andro.

I think I will manage to do it. I need to figure out how to isolate it. Will try to extract it with a pipette and then OCD wash it with dist. water.

Pipette does not work at all. But a separation funnel does it well.

It is really oily stuff. I'm going to prepare a bit of it so that it is workable. In a few days, I should have it.

I'm perfecting the way of bringing HIM to a higher concentration. There's a trick to do it: Different fires produce different results.

If you are aiming for the salts to climb, they will not gather as much essence or HIM. If you want HIM to manifest in higher volume, you need to sacrifice the climbing of the salts. In my view (I already tried it with a new batch of salts), the process begins at the end of the coagula, develops in very subtle calcination, and ends in the coagula to restart again. I didn't weigh the salts or the water used in all of it. I just dropped as much water as needed in order to dissolve all salts.

I believe the key here, concerns the quality of the waters, the pressure present in the vase, and the flow of air. With just a little bit of salts, I got more than the double concentration than before. But before, my focus was on the climbing of the salts. Now the focus is HIS appearance. Different focus, different concentration, different internal influence.

Below are some pics regarding the topic.

1 - White pure salt VS the coagulated and calcined one
2 - The concentration
3 - Put it on a test tube to try the pipette: you can see it in the water.