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OK, so it's now official,
I finally have a way to measure HIM content of water.
For me, this finally proves it's existance, and also enables a way forward in absolutely knowing which waters are better than others.

The solution is to measure UV absorbtion of around 290nm using a spectrophotometer (this was actually discovered by James DeMeo).
These machines can be quite expensive, so true to my moniker, I got mine the cheapest way I could by buying 2 old damaged units which were liquidated by a major Australian university.
From the 2 units, I was able to make one which works perfectly, with a few spare parts to boot.
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Before I ended up settling on my own solution however, I was leaning towards DIYing one.
IMO it would still be possible to ghetto one by using a cheap UV bulb or UV LED shine through a quartz cubette and detect with a sensor attached to an arduino.
You can also buy a very basic brand new spectrophotometer which can work in UV such as the 752N (still quite expensive though).

Anyway, I finally took my first set of measurements @290nm:
> fluoridated tap water from the faucet (for a baseline control) = -0.001 ABS
> springwater stored 10 days in sealed glass bottle = 0.027 ABS
> springwater stored 10 days in sealed glass bottle in a MEOW kettle = 0.038 ABS

* The springwater was collected from a pool where it was exposed to sunlight.
I have good reason (due to Vinny Pinto's results) to believe that the UV absorbtion of HIM water is zero if it hasn't previously been exposed to sunlight.
To test this, after measuring I placed both my springwater samples in winter sunlight for 40 mins and re-measured, and on both samples the ABS increased by ~0.010 ABS

What does this mean...
> my limestone spring water absorbs UV light, unlike fluoridated tap water. (as expected)
> the UV absorbtion effect increases after storage in a MEOW device. (as expected)
> the UV absorbtion effect increases after exposure to sunlight. (not necessarily expected)
Ghetto. This is huge.
Thanks for bringing this to our attention and thanks to James De Meo of Reichian Orgone Research too.
Well done ghettoing those two spectrophotomers. What was your spend on those two and how much would it have been buying something like that new?

Now here's my next and possibly more interesting question:
WHY is HIM water absorbing UV light in the 290nm range? well, forget about the wavelength. Just the UV part is interesting.

Let's look at this.
Sunlight scatters HIM.
It kills the early stages of development of our different matters that need to be nourished in the dark or in moonlight / starlight.
So why would the HIM aspect of the water absorb UV light?
Here's my theory - forgive me if you or anyone has already proposed this.

HIM water is more healthy than fluoridated or regular crappy water.
the healthy portion absorbs the unhealthy aspect of the solar rays, much like a shield.
There.
That's it.
Thoughts?
 

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Great work Ghetto.

Ive been keeping this in my back pocket for a while now.

UV is the key to real world testing of SM.
This is huge and I wasn't going to tell anyone but since you've gone ahead and brought it to the world then I guess we can talk about it now.

More impressively perhaps than the fact that UV light can illuminate SM, is that UV light actually differentiates between Male Seed and Female Seed. The Sol and Luna seeds.

Take a variety of calcites, or gypsum, or other SM baring minerals and shine it under your 290nm wave length. (I believe it works anywhere up to about 360nm)

Most of these glow in the expected blue-ish purple UV colour.

However SOME will just glow bright ORANGE.

UV and IR have a special relationship with SM. I've known this for some 5 years now. And it's especially helpful in the mineral work to be able to see whether or not you are extracting SM or killing it.

All living things glow under UV. 😉
 

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Great work Ghetto.

Ive been keeping this in my back pocket for a while now.

UV is the key to real world testing of SM.
Hi Mr. Mixer

ghetto is testing for the "HIM" (Quintessence) component and here you are talking about SM (Spiritus Mundi).

SM is the magnet that attracts / Extracts the Universal Quintessence.
This is huge and I wasn't going to tell anyone but since you've gone ahead and brought it to the world then I guess we can talk about it now.

More impressively perhaps than the fact that UV light can illuminate SM, is that UV light actually differentiates between Male Seed and Female Seed. The Sol and Luna seeds.
UV light does not illuminate SM (Spiritus Mundi) or Universal Quintessence.
Take a variety of calcites, or gypsum, or other SM baring minerals and shine it under your 290nm wave length. (I believe it works anywhere up to about 360nm)

Most of these glow in the expected blue-ish purple UV colour.

However SOME will just glow bright ORANGE.

UV and IR have a special relationship with SM. I've known this for some 5 years now. And it's especially helpful in the mineral work to be able to see whether or not you are extracting SM or killing it.

All living things glow under UV. 😉
SM (Spiritus Mundi) is not a Living substance .... it does not have consciousness.

Quintessence on the other hand is a Living substance that has consciousness.

There are a lot of things that have consciousness as Entities, Elementals, etc, etc .... but they do not illuminate with UV or IR light.

Working the many Tests that I had to perform to discover the extremities of the Alchemic Process .... some of that work involved running Processes in the dark, in full sunlight, under IR light and also using Three (3) types of UV light.
 

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Found when looking for a way towards a ghetto quartz cuvette.

Working at fitting it with NPT ports for the two largest ends. Will be surrounding the tube with UV illumination, and pumping O3 infused steam through it.
Sounds like a pretty exciting experiment to try.
Please be sure to let us know the result/s after you get the chance to have a go at it.
Well done ghettoing those two spectrophotomers. What was your spend on those two and how much would it have been buying something like that new?
I spent AUD $380 all up, that was to buy the 2 machines and have them couriered to my door.
My machine is from the 1980's, can't buy that particular one new anymore.
But a modern equivalent would probably be AUD $5000-$10,000.
You'll pay a few extra $$$ for one like mine because it splits the light into 2 separate paths, and does some complicated functions such as automatic scanning over a range of different light frequencies.
If you want a brand new but cheap machine which will do the basic job, then there's the 752N for around AUD $1,000.
That'll do your basic measurements without the extra bells and whistles.
WHY is HIM water absorbing UV light in the 290nm range? well, forget about the wavelength. Just the UV part is interesting.
It is interesting.
The UV absorbtion actually follows a curve with the peak at around 190nm.
Curiously this HIM water absorbtion curve exactly matches the UV curve for sterilising microbes.
This can't be a coincidence, it turns out that sterilising microbes with UV works because their DNA gets altered which effectively stops them from reproducing.
IMO, this also means that DNA must be a storehouse of life-force (aka HIM).
Have you ever wondered about why UV sterilises microbes?
Let's look at this.
Sunlight scatters HIM.
It kills the early stages of development of our different matters that need to be nourished in the dark or in moonlight / starlight.
So why would the HIM aspect of the water absorb UV light?
Here's my theory - forgive me if you or anyone has already proposed this.

HIM water is more healthy than fluoridated or regular crappy water.
the healthy portion absorbs the unhealthy aspect of the solar rays, much like a shield.
There.
That's it.
Thoughts?
Wow, now that's an interesting avenue for exploring.
It looks like you're basically saying that if you made a clear container wall of HIM water and passed sunlight through it, then the solar radiation that comes out the other side would be healthier for organisms.
I think that's probably exactly right based on what I just wrote above.
If you patent this and make a million dollars, then remember your bro ;)
UV is the key to real world testing of SM.
This is huge and I wasn't going to tell anyone but since you've gone ahead and brought it to the world then I guess we can talk about it now.
This reminds me of when I made a deliberate decision not to talk about limestone spring water, and then @Kibric went and outed it to the forum anyway.
Take a variety of calcites, or gypsum, or other SM baring minerals and shine it under your 290nm wave length. (I believe it works anywhere up to about 360nm)

Most of these glow in the expected blue-ish purple UV colour.

However SOME will just glow bright ORANGE.

UV and IR have a special relationship with SM. I've known this for some 5 years now. And it's especially helpful in the mineral work to be able to see whether or not you are extracting SM or killing it.

All living things glow under UV. 😉
In my quest to acquire a spectrophotometer I had to do a bit of research in UV and was surprised to discover that a major use for UV lights is for detection of particular rocks by rockhounds like yourself.
It's because of you guys that handheld UV torches come in 10 different varieties, each with a different UV frequency for detecting different minerals.
Which is very cool for ghetto'ing a spectrophotometer, you can dial in the best wavelength without having to make do with whatever the standard bulbs put out.
And of course that's a pretty deep rabbit hole to fall into WRT which minerals react to which wavelengths and using this to work out how much HIM they contain
 

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Hi Mr. Mixer

ghetto is testing for the "HIM" (Quintessence) component and here you are talking about SM (Spiritus Mundi).

SM is the magnet that attracts / Extracts the Universal Quintessence.

UV light does not illuminate SM (Spiritus Mundi) or Universal Quintessence.

SM (Spiritus Mundi) is not a Living substance .... it does not have consciousness.

Quintessence on the other hand is a Living substance that has consciousness.

There are a lot of things that have consciousness as Entities, Elementals, etc, etc .... but they do not illuminate with UV or IR light.

Working the many Tests that I had to perform to discover the extremities of the Alchemic Process .... some of that work involved running Processes in the dark, in full sunlight, under IR light and also using Three (3) types of UV
Hmm good points Black. I will continue to refine my theory.
 

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I spent AUD $380 all up, that was to buy the 2 machines and have them couriered to my door.
My machine is from the 1980's, can't buy that particular one new anymore.
But a modern equivalent would probably be AUD $5000-$10,000.
You'll pay a few extra $$$ for one like mine because it splits the light into 2 separate paths, and does some complicated functions such as automatic scanning over a range of different light frequencies.
If you want a brand new but cheap machine which will do the basic job, then there's the 752N for around AUD $1,000.
That'll do your basic measurements without the extra bells and whistles.
that is still expensive but more within the affordable range.

It is interesting.
The UV absorbtion actually follows a curve with the peak at around 190nm.
Curiously this HIM water absorbtion curve exactly matches the UV curve for sterilising microbes.
This can't be a coincidence, it turns out that sterilising microbes with UV works because their DNA gets altered which effectively stops them from reproducing.
IMO, this also means that DNA must be a storehouse of life-force (aka HIM).
Have you ever wondered about why UV sterilises microbes?

I haven't.
Sunlight also kills fungus.
Fungus thrives in darkness.
Fungus also thrives on dying matter.
There might be a spectrum here between life (HIM) and death (fungus, microbes, etc)...
the Stone, let's call it pure evolved HIM, for now, would eradicate death.

Wow, now that's an interesting avenue for exploring.
It looks like you're basically saying that if you made a clear container wall of HIM water and passed sunlight through it, then the solar radiation that comes out the other side would be healthier for organisms.
I think that's probably exactly right based on what I just wrote above.

yes, but it wouldn't last long unless you were continuously recycling the HIM water, as, in absorbing the UV portion of the solar radiation, the HIM would become depleted / scattered. Might it remain and not disperse in a sealed vessel? Maybe.

If you patent this and make a million dollars, then remember your bro ;)

Not my race to run right now.
but would be fun, in another life, along with me being a professional poker player.
Deal me in.
 

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I'll take you on in poker

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SM is not just life.
SM is also death.

SM may be responsible for a plants growth.
It is also responsible for the rotting degeneration of its corpse.

Duality.
Hot and cold are not different things.
Light and dark.
love and Hate

Etc.

Life and Death.
 

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Many Pokers in the fire...
 

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I'll take you on in poker

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SM is not just life.
SM is also death.

SM may be responsible for a plants growth.
It is also responsible for the rotting degeneration of its corpse.

Duality.
Hot and cold are not different things.
Light and dark.
love and Hate

Etc.

Life and Death.

You're making a good point Elixir.
It's true, that SM is behind decay as well.
This is part of the polarity of nature.

Duality represents something different to me.
Polarity is Yin-Yang. Two opposites on a spectrum of unity with a neutral center.
Duality is, although an illusion in and of itself, a split between truth, say, and illusion.
Hot and cold are not different things - true. opposite ends of the same spectrum.
light and dark - true.
Love and hate - I'll have to disagree with that.
Love and hate, imo, are not on the same spectrum.
Neither are good and evil.
Evil is not on the same path as good. Evil is the absence of good.
This may get a little off-topicky.

What I do like is the idea that SM is also involved with death.
I am trying to understand the Sun's role in dispersion of HIM,
as well as its destruction of the fungal and the UV portion, the bacterial.
 

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We should start a new thread about duality and opposites but I'll continue here so we don't lose your comment.

"Evil is an absence of good"

Do you mean like cold is an absence of heat?
Or like light, is an absence of darkness
Or like blackness is an absence of white.

Or how shortness is an absence of height.
Or how skinny is an absence of fat?

So why is not hate an absence of love? Or death not an absence of life?

I agree that duality is an illusion. There is not such thing as cold. Only less heat. There is no such thing as darkness. Only a lack of light. Etc etc. imo.
 

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SM is not just life.
SM is also death.
Hi Mr. Mixer

SM is not life or death.
SM may be responsible for a plants growth.
It is also responsible for the rotting degeneration of its corpse.
SM is not responsible for a plant growth nor is it responsible for the rotting degeneration of its corpse.
Duality.
Hot and cold are not different things.
Light and dark.
love and Hate

Etc.

Life and Death.

It is still very clear that you are quite confused about what SM (Spiritus Mundi) and Quintessence are.

SM is a Spirit that is used to Extract Universal Quintessence .... it is not Living and has no consciousness.

Quintessence is a Living substance that carries a life force (and so much more) and does have consciousness.
 

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Black, I'm going to have to ask, where is your personal spiritual progress from a classical traditional western point of view?

Are you the same as the average person or have you gained clairvoyance, astral projection etc.

I'm asking this because I want to understand your comments about SM. How do you know which has consciousness or not?
 

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Black, I'm going to have to ask, where is your personal spiritual progress from a classical traditional western point of view?
Are you the same as the average person or have you gained clairvoyance, astral projection etc.
I'm asking this because I want to understand your comments about SM. How do you know which has consciousness or not?
Reply posted HERE
 

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Duality related discussion continued HERE.
 

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To test this, after measuring I placed both my springwater samples in winter sunlight for 40 mins and re-measured, and on both samples the ABS increased by ~0.010 ABS
If I get it correctly, the absorbance increased the same in both bottles. I think this could be attributed to other reason besides the accumulation of HIM as you call it when they are exposed to sunlight. For example, it could be that some kind of photosynthetic bacteria colonize the water when exposed to sunlight. They absorb UV light because they have organic molecules. Most organic substances absorb UV.
 

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> springwater stored 10 days in sealed glass bottle = 0.027 ABS
> springwater stored 10 days in sealed glass bottle in a MEOW kettle = 0.038 ABS
This is a nice observation. I wonder if Pinto is right when saying that the MEOW kettle charges the water for few days and then it reaches saturation. The days required are 5 with his devices but this depend on the thickness of the walls you use. He also claims that this "charging" occurs exponentially; the most of the charging occurs the first 3 days and only a small percentage the last two. Using that UV spectrometer could help check his claims.
 

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@ghetto alchemist

You sir.... Are a fucking genius. I am applying your research in an astonishing way.

There is no need to go to limestone grottos to collect water.

These waters can be manufactured

I Love youuuuuuuuuuu 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
 

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This is my final effort to assist those who wish to be assisted.

Ghetto, in your explanation of the properties of SM, you make a comment along the lines of (paraphrase):

"SM travels in the opposite direction of current"

This is an exceedingly powerful statement. That is all.

Goodluck guys.
 

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Anyway, I finally took my first set of measurements @290nm:
> fluoridated tap water from the faucet (for a baseline control) = -0.001 ABS
> springwater stored 10 days in sealed glass bottle = 0.027 ABS
> springwater stored 10 days in sealed glass bottle in a MEOW kettle = 0.038 ABS

Comparing these results with the findings of Pinto:

abs-sc10-jvmtype1-3days-2-22-07-smlr.jpg


I observe a major difference. In Pinto's results, the absorbance can reach up to 0.4 (almost half of light absorbed!) while in your observation only 0.038
How can this be explained? He was using bigger volume of water maybe?
 

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Comparing these results with the findings of Pinto:

abs-sc10-jvmtype1-3days-2-22-07-smlr.jpg


I observe a major difference. In Pinto's results, the absorbance can reach up to 0.4 (almost half of light absorbed!) while in your observation only 0.038
How can this be explained? He was using bigger volume of water maybe?

What sort of water was used in Pinto's results? Where did it come from? How was it prepared?

and yes, the question of volume. If you took one sample of water in a vessel which was 1/10th the size of another,
and compared the results for both, is the 10X container going to have 10X the absorption?