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There’s one more thing which should probably add in addition to this.
I’m not too comfortable saying it, because I struggle to accept this myself, but I simply can’t deny the overwhelming evidence.

If you put HIM water in an airtight bottle made of glass, then you can hold it in there indefinitely.

But, if you wrap that same water filled glass bottle in aluminium, steel, stainless steel, magnetite sand (multiple separated discreet layers for better effect), slap whatever label you want on it (Eg: orgone accumulator, MEOW kettle etc), the HIM portion inside the bottle will INCREASE over time until it reaches some maximum threshold.

I feel like I just made the most ridiculous statement ever made in the history of mankind, and yet experimentally, what I just said is TOTALLY TRUE!

As if that’s not weird enough....it gets even weirder still.
If there’s no HIM in the glass water bottle to start with, then wrapping it with an orgone accumulator or MEOW kettle won’t add any HIM to the water.

Good luck to any of you trying to get your heads around that.

If that is true, the importance of it cannot be expressed in words.
OK. I'll try...

That's flippin' important!!!

There. Not bad.

Those layers of metal (aluminum, steel, mu metal, magnetite sand) are likely acting as a Faraday cage.
the alternating layers of metallic / organic, as in a joe cell or orgone accumulator or capacitor, would, IMO,
be more likely to AUGMENT the HIM in a given sample.
the metallic shield, just one layer, would likely just prevent loss and protect the water.
But this is just a hunch, not based on any experience.

Would you agree? Or do all the layers of shielding you mention bring an increase in him?

Here's a theory as to how this might happen.
The HIM (Astral spirit) passes through all objects, that's how it penetrates into the depths of the earth.
(see Zadkiel's note below). Nothing keeps it out.
but when the traveling HIM arrives at a place of HIM already hanging out, it wants to join the party.
Like how busy restaurants and shops attract more customers by their business.
Or how cows like to hang out in herds, etc.

So while that sample of water is being shielded from harmful and deleterious influences,
it has the chance to call more cows and customers into the fold.

All men know that they cannot live upon food alone; and that if they were deprived of air they would droop and die. Neither would a plant live or thrive without it. We must not pass over the action of light in silence: let a vegetable be planted and kept in the dark, it will grow, because it has sufficiency of air, but it will come forth sickly and yellow; but let but one small ray of light fall on any of its leaves, and it will be found that that part will quickly assume its healthy garb of green: and if a man be exposed to continual darkness, its effects on his mind and spirits is quickly visible We have now convinced ourselves that light and air are necessary for the growth, well being, and life of men and vegetables and those who have read the Emerald Table of Hermes will remember that he says the following words: ‘’That which is above, is like that which is beneath’’ ; so that subterranean productions likewise require the assistance of these two agents of nature. Now this leads us to the following enquiry: do the invigorating principles of light and air act, one independent of the other ? or, do they from their union give birth to a third, which affects alt things, whether above or below the earth, in an equal manner ? We must naturally conclude that this is the case, as neither light nor air in an isolated state can penetrate the depths of the earth. The generative essence of nature then, is a subtle fluid, compounded of light and air, which is capable of penetrating all things. This is what the Philosophers call their astral spirit, their water of the Sun and Moon..." Zadkiel page 9/16
 

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Is it not true that "HIM" is present in all waters for everything came from that same source, the same universal fire or spirit?

If so then the only distinction is the concentration of "HIM" in any given water. Clearly some waters will contain more, others less.
IMO its not a question of concentration but rather of materilization level. You always have the same amount of HIM but he gets "bigger"
 

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Those layers of metal (aluminum, steel, mu metal, magnetite sand) are likely acting as a Faraday cage.
the alternating layers of metallic / organic, as in a joe cell or orgone accumulator or capacitor, would, IMO,
be more likely to AUGMENT the HIM in a given sample.
Yes, exactly. And perhaps it's as simple as only requiring a faraday cage for augmentation to happen.
I myself think of it as a shield to protect against the Earth's magnetism.
A rose by any other name still smells the same.
the metallic shield, just one layer, would likely just prevent loss and protect the water.
But this is just a hunch, not based on any experience.

Would you agree? Or do all the layers of shielding you mention bring an increase in him?
I don't really know.
One layer, might as you say, just prevent loss.
Won't know until someone tries.
Here's a theory as to how this might happen.
The HIM (Astral spirit) passes through all objects, that's how it penetrates into the depths of the earth.
(see Zadkiel's note below). Nothing keeps it out.
but when the traveling HIM arrives at a place of HIM already hanging out, it wants to join the party.
Like how busy restaurants and shops attract more customers by their business.
Or how cows like to hang out in herds, etc.

So while that sample of water is being shielded from harmful and deleterious influences,
it has the chance to call more cows and customers into the fold.
Yes, excellent analogy.
To expand your metaphor....putting the shield (faraday cage) around the outside is akin to the farmer putting a massive brick wall around the field to protect the cows.
With no enclosure, he slowly loses his cows due to predators such as wolves getting in, they scare the cows making them escape the paddock from stress.
But the wall protects them from the threats to their safety and they can then slowly increase in numbers as other cows outside the enclosure decide to teleport themselves inside the walled paddock to join them.

We have a really good experiment to draw on here...YOURS!
Just to quickly bring everyone else up to speed, Triune One conducted an excellent experiment over 16 years ago and made the results public (not on this forum though).
He went out and collected the best HIM water he could find, going to a limestone cave area and getting the water from the point it exited the ground.
He placed the water in a large open glass container with nested layers of stainless steel inside the water container.
He then slowly applied electrolysis to the water between the middle and outside layer of stainless steel.
I assume that he must have periodically removed some brown sludge which started to appear over the first few days.
The result was that the water totally changed it's properties.
It acquired a really thick surface tension like half-set Jello, and gave an amazing feeling by being in proximity to it.
But then over time, the effects slowly dissipated until the water became like ordinary water and would not go thick again with further electrolysis.

What I think was happening according to the stuff in this thread.
> High amount of HIM in the water to start with
> Extra HIM was manifesting inside the nested stainless steel containers
> The HIM particles were also getting torsion charged from the electricity making them show themselves through the changes in the water.
(in the case of my "invisible man" metaphor, torsion charging makes HIM become visible).
> But at the same time, there were more HIM particles being lost out of the top of the container where it was exposed to air than what was being manifested in the center.
So IMO, over time the water slowly lost it's HIM portion until in the end all HIM is gone, it then lost it's amazing properties and stops acquiring new HIM because of the weird effect that already been mentioned.

What do you think of that?

IMO its not a question of concentration but rather of materilization level. You always have the same amount of HIM but he gets "bigger"
Yes, this is definately also a factor which does muddy the water a bit so to speak.
When you say "gets bigger", I would say "torsion charge"....again, a rose by any name....
Curiously, in my current understanding, it appears that putting HIM water inside a pyramid torsion charges the HIM particles.
I always think it would be interesting to see the result from putting really strong HIM water (like Lakshmanas) inside an pyramid and a MEOW enclosure at the same time and see the result.
 
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Yes, excellent analogy.
To expand your metaphor....putting the shield (faraday cage) around the outside is akin to the farmer putting a massive brick wall around the field to protect the cows.
With no enclosure, he slowly loses his cows due to predators such as wolves getting in, they scare the cows making them escape the paddock from stress.
But the wall protects them from the threats to their safety and they can then slowly increase in numbers as other cows outside the enclosure decide to teleport themselves inside the walled paddock to join them.

yes. Excellent expansion on the metaphor.
Maybe the HIM procreates as the cows would do given the safe space for them to gather.

We have a really good experiment to draw on here...YOURS!
Just to quickly bring everyone else up to speed, Triune One conducted an excellent experiment over 16 years ago and made the results public (not on this forum though).
He went out and collected the best HIM water he could find, going to a limestone cave area and getting the water from the point it exited the ground.
He placed the water in a large open glass container with nested layers of stainless steel inside the water container.
He then slowly applied electrolysis to the water between the middle and outside layer of stainless steel.
I assume that he must have periodically removed some brown sludge which started to appear over the first few days.
The result was that the water totally changed it's properties.
It acquired a really thick surface tension like half-set Jello, and gave an amazing feeling by being in proximity to it.
But then over time, the effects slowly dissipated until the water became like ordinary water and would not go thick again with further electrolysis.

What I think was happening according to the stuff in this thread.
> High amount of HIM in the water to start with
> Extra HIM was manifesting inside the nested stainless steel containers
> The HIM particles were also getting torsion charged from the electricity making them show themselves through the changes in the water.
(in the case of my "invisible man" metaphor, torsion charging makes HIM become visible).
> But at the same time, there were more HIM particles being lost out of the top of the container where it was exposed to air than what was being manifested in the center.
So IMO, over time the water slowly lost it's HIM portion until in the end all HIM is gone, it then lost it's amazing properties and stops acquiring new HIM because of the weird effect that already been mentioned.

What do you think of that?

I agree with most of it.
I don't think the HIM was ever completely gone, just not "sparked back up into a vivified state."
when not vivified, it will return to a lower baseline state.
When it is sparked into action, it lifts it up.
but this "lift" in the case of the waters you're referring to with high surface tension, like jello,
would subside back to the base state if not continuously done.
it might be a little akin to ether as a medium to carry the HIM.
Ether will not hold it long, but can be charged with lots of HIM to carry it over elsewhere.
this sort of sparked to life water needs to be continuously sparked to life, or it will subside back to a more baseline.
At a later time, it can be sparked back to life. I don't think the HIM departs for good.
IT's like awakened from a sleep state, more like it.
I wonder, however, if this water was stored in one of the types of vessels you're discussing...
if it would retain its lifeforce.
my hunch is yes.
with all the wires attached to the joe cells, HIM might seek its exit that way too, by fleeing along the wires.
 

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I don't think the HIM was ever completely gone, just not "sparked back up into a vivified state."
when not vivified, it will return to a lower baseline state.
When it is sparked into action, it lifts it up.
but this "lift" in the case of the waters you're referring to with high surface tension, like jello,
would subside back to the base state if not continuously done.
I totally understand what you're saying.
What you're referring to is what I think of as torsion charge on HIM particles.
IMO when they're highly charged they show themselves, and when their charge dissipates they become invisible.
I say the HIM was gone from your cell, you say the HIM was still there but that it's lost the charge enough to become invisible again.
With the information we have available, there's no way to tell who is right and who is wrong.

This is why we need someone to invent 2 new kinds of measurement equipment for us.
One to detect the amount of HIM particles present in a sample of water.
And the other to read the specific amount of torsion charge on them.
Sounds ridiculous right....but in my heart I know that in the fullness of time, both of these inventions will come to exist.
with all the wires attached to the joe cells, HIM might seek its exit that way too, by fleeing along the wires.
Yeah, you're right. I totally forgot about that...lol
That can easily be stopped by either putting a diode or a magnet on the positive wire.
But there's no way you would've known about that 16 years ago.
 

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Here's a theory as to how this might happen.
The HIM (Astral spirit) passes through all objects, that's how it penetrates into the depths of the earth.
Nothing keeps it out.
but when the traveling HIM arrives at a place of HIM already hanging out, it wants to join the party.
Like how busy restaurants and shops attract more customers by their business.
Or how cows like to hang out in herds, etc.
Zadkiel:
The generative essence of nature then, is a subtle fluid, compounded of light and air, which is capable of penetrating all things. This is what the Philosophers call their astral spirit, their water of the Sun and Moon...
IMO this is really good, and really accurate too.
It does look like these HIM particles are a manifestation from some sort of invisible beam which penetrates all things.
Another reason why the HIM particle is probably closely related to what standard science calls the neutrino.
 

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IMO this is really good, and really accurate too.
It does look like these HIM particles are a manifestation from some sort of invisible beam which penetrates all things.
Another reason why the HIM particle is probably closely related to what standard science calls the neutrino.

Right. I do appreciate putting this in the modern context of present scientific discovery.
The risk of doing this is that there is no precedent in our present science to explain the phenomena of the Art.
However, there are often definite ways of correlating and doing so helps me ground it into something tangible that I can wrap my mind around. This helps to then have a relationship with HIM that can be personalized. It would seem personalizing is an important step in moving forward in the praxis.

One thing I love about the idea of HIM being neutrinos is that they are neutral.
:)
 

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But, if you wrap that same water filled glass bottle in aluminium, steel, stainless steel, magnetite sand (multiple separated discreet layers for better effect), slap whatever label you want on it (Eg: orgone accumulator, MEOW kettle etc), the HIM portion inside the bottle will INCREASE over time until it reaches some maximum threshold.

I feel like I just made the most ridiculous statement ever made in the history of mankind, and yet experimentally, what I just said is TOTALLY TRUE!

Ok, so to make that statement you must presumably have some mechanism for measuring the quantity of HIM in the water. Could you explain what that mechanism is for us please?
 

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Ok, so to make that statement you must presumably have some mechanism for measuring the quantity of HIM in the water. Could you explain what that mechanism is for us please?
Actually I can’t measure it....at least not yet.
But I can tell you the mechanism that allows me to make that statement.

People who’ve put HIM water inside these shielded containers and then drink it, report having their dental cavities self repair.
But drinking the same water without placing it inside a shielded container does not produce that result.
Vinny Pinto reported this as a personal testimony, but also said he had seen the same thing happen to multiple other people.
John Milewski also.
My memory’s a bit hazy, but I’m pretty sure that Lakshmana also reported something very similar (I’ll leave it to him provide any further details).

The only other time I’ve heard of dental cavities self healing is from people drinking strong magnetic trap water made from their own wells.
Barry Carter documented at least one of these cases with photographs.

The reason why these 2 totally different techniques (shielded HIM water vs magnetic trap water) produce the same effect, is because they’re both doing the same thing...IMO massively increasing the amount of HIM particles in the water.
I’ll reuse TriuneOnes excellent metaphor of cows in a paddock to illustrate.
As already started, the MEOW effect puts a wall around the paddock and their numbers increase slowly.
But the magnetic trap creates a pack of highly trained cattle dogs to go to all the surrounding paddocks and round up the cows and bring them into our paddock very quickly.
Then end result with both is the same....a paddock with a lot more cows than there were before.
Only 2 differences...one is time factor, and the other is the cows are initially more stressed if they’re forced in.
 

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Isnt water charged by a pyramid HIM water?
Further from my previous post....did you ever heard of anyone have dental cavities self heal from drinking pyramid charged water?
 

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Further from my previous post....did you ever heard of anyone have dental cavities self heal from drinking pyramid charged water?
welp without a double blind study it is impossible to say that the water healed the person. Just the belief that "him water" could heal cavities is enough. I think that charged water without the virtues of the plant or mineral kingdom is dead as vulgar metals are.
 

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without a double blind study it is impossible to say that the water healed the person
Well....I’m saying it anyway. So suck it up.
Just the belief that "him water" could heal cavities is enough.
No, belief alone is not enough to fill in dental cavities, because it’s never happened before.

Sorry, but your pyramid charged water is NOTHING next to the real deal.
 

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Ok, so to make that statement you must presumably have some mechanism for measuring the quantity of HIM in the water. Could you explain what that mechanism is for us please?
I think we forget that one of the mechanisms to "test" products is one's own sense of them.
This is a felt sense, like how a hands on healer can feel the Chi and blockages to Chi in someone's astral field and other bodies.
I can feel the power level in water, crystals, people, etc.
Everyone can but some are less sensitive to it than others. A heightened sensitivity is necessary.

I can also feel the effects on my body of having drunk a certain water or taken a certain product.
Sometimes, I will take a drink of some HIM water and a moment later, feel a big deep breath come in with
a sense of opening of the energy in my chest and heart.
Ever have "shit" weed? Or really good weed?
That is another mechanism of assessing a product.

HIM is obviously very difficult to detect.
If it is actually neutrinos, look what kind of trouble the scientists go through to measure it.
2500 meters below the ground. Super high tech measuring devices.
We are not equipped for that.
So, we can use our own hands, energy fields, and other subtle mechanisms to determine what makes good HIM water.
What stores it adequately. What augments it. What dissipates it.
 

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This fella describes how to make a Meow kettle and then says it helps his girlfriend's teeth pain.
Also helps his hair and nails grow faster + more.

 

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I think we forget that one of the mechanisms to "test" products is one's own sense of them.
This is a felt sense, like how a hands on healer can feel the Chi and blockages to Chi in someone's astral field and other bodies.
I can feel the power level in water, crystals, people, etc.
Everyone can but some are less sensitive to it than others. A heightened sensitivity is necessary.

I don't personally think this is a very disciplined or useful approach. Experimentation needs rigor and evidential objectivity not subjective feeling imho. If there exists HIM (and I'm not remotely suggesting there doesn't) then there must be ways to test for it. This is I think one of the disciplines @black keeps iterating. If we can not prove and validate what we have then we can't be certain what we have.

If we're going down the path of using iron frame pyramids then what is the test or tests that validate this approach?
 

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I don't personally think this is a very disciplined or useful approach. Experimentation needs rigor and evidential objectivity not subjective feeling imho. If there exists HIM (and I'm not remotely suggesting there doesn't) then there must be ways to test for it. This is I think one of the disciplines @black keeps iterating. If we can not prove and validate what we have then we can't be certain what we have.

If we're going down the path of using iron frame pyramids then what is the test or tests that validate this approach?

Do you feel subtle energies @Pilgrim ? Can you feel subtle energies?

Remember, you asked how do we measure quantity.
Exact quantity - you're right. That would require some more fine tuned instrumentation, which we do not have right now.

But if we're trying to ascertain if a given sample has any HIM, or a small, moderate, or large amount, then to me, the
subjective feeling is valid.

Have you ever been in love?
Have you been in love more than once?
What if I asked you to quantify how much you were in love each of those times?
It would be easy for you to give a quantification of love relative to your own experience.
It is the same with determination of the HIM content of our matters and waters.
I am all for finding an awesome advanced or simple tech solution to do.
But until we have such a thing, doesn't hurt to develop one's own subjective sensors, jah?
 

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Do you feel subtle energies @Pilgrim ? Can you feel subtle energies?

Remember, you asked how do we measure quantity.
Exact quantity - you're right. That would require some more fine tuned instrumentation, which we do not have right now.

But if we're trying to ascertain if a given sample has any HIM, or a small, moderate, or large amount, then to me, the
subjective feeling is valid.

Have you ever been in love?
Have you been in love more than once?
What if I asked you to quantify how much you were in love each of those times?
It would be easy for you to give a quantification of love relative to your own experience.
It is the same with determination of the HIM content of our matters and waters.
I am all for finding an awesome advanced or simple tech solution to do.
But until we have such a thing, doesn't hurt to develop one's own subjective sensors, jah?

I feel a force acting upon me which keeps me glued to the ground. I can try jumping but I always come back down. I can not escape this force whilst here on Earth. My feelings and experiences confirm such a force exists. It is visibly and objectively provable. However this provides no proof of what exactly that force is. You may try to tell me it is something called gravity and how that works, but unless you can prove your theory it's all supposition.

If you are feeling "something" when you are near a substance which you have made/engineered and that feeling is experienced every time you are near it then it's a repeatable phenomena and that's evidence of something. What that something is however is the unknown quantity. Unless it is understood we can not be sure what it is. I could hand you a metal sphere the size of a baseball and you might say that you can feel something every time you hold it close to your face. That's evidence of something. However if it's a ball containing Uranium then that's not a good thing. You can feel something, but scientifically we know that's very harmful radiation. We know that because we have scientific tests to determine what it is.

The alchemical texts like GCH tell us that the active principles on/in this Earth are constantly changing things in different ways which include decomposition, putrefaction, "death", regeneration, preservation and so on.

"Whosoever wishes to arrive at the Fountain of Secret Wisdom, let him mind this well; and let him go with
this Central Point of Truth to the circumference, and for ever imprint in his memory: that from fire and water,

or spirit enclosed in Humidity all things in the World are generated, preserved, destroyed and regenerated."

Clearly it's vital to understand what you have and whether that "force" is one of generation or destruction.

The theory of this thread in general is that the force is "HIM" and that this must by definition be a good thing. But the texts tell us that the active principles can and do kill and degenerate as much as they give birth to new forms and regenerate. How then do we know what we have? Do we let animals (say mice) drink every kind of water we produce to see if it kills or harms them? Are there any more humane ways to perform such a test?

You & I are trapped in an alchemical flask of planetary magnitude and size. We can not escape it unless we can travel out into space and that is difficult. Hence you & I and everything else in this giant flask is being constantly acted upon by the principles in play which generate and preserve or putrefy and destroy. While ever we remain in the flask we are in danger. There is an inevitability that the "system" will calcine us and reduce us back to first matter, prima materia and then make something else from our spirit/soul/essence etc.

Consider well what we are trying to achieve. When you look at your flask sitting in it's warm heating mantel watching the substance inside become the Raven, do you think that any part of what is inside could possibly become immune to that process? Is there any part in that flask that could escape the putrefaction? What would it have to be to achieve that immunity, invulnerability?

I confess that I tend towards a feeling of Nihilism and despondency. Nihilism might not be the right term. Perhaps philosophical pessimism. I find myself trapped in a purpose built planetary alchemical flask with little/no hope of escape. I am to be repeatedly generated and putrefied and destroyed over and over for presumably someone else's benefit.

"For a few to be immortal, many must die", In Time
 

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I confess that I tend towards a feeling of Nihilism and despondency. Nihilism might not be the right term. Perhaps philosophical pessimism. I find myself trapped in a purpose built planetary alchemical flask with little/no hope of escape. I am to be repeatedly generated and putrefied and destroyed over and over for presumably someone else's benefit.

"For a few to be immortal, many must die", In Time
That is evident by what you are saying.
I think it's quite easy to fall into that.
But there is one place that can never be taken from any of us.
And that is the pure and true microcosm of the Macrocosm that we are.
On the outer world, it is a kind of slavery, to varying degrees.
But in the inner world is the potential of pure freedom.

you - Pilgrim - wrote here in this thread
Logically it would seem that the "only body" in question then is the human body. Thus wherever man can go there is still man and thus a human body. I have long believed that the secret to the real Stone we seek must involve the human body in some way. For surely we need the seed of man as our blueprint for any remedy we create, not the seed of vegetables or minerals etc?

Though you wrote this on that other thread, it is also evident you do not fully believe it or trust it.
It being the fact that wherever man goes, there he is.
And if he is there, what is there with him? in him?
the answer might finish with some sort of what we call physical matter, whatever that is,
but it doesn't start there.
If we can see and feel and experience the Source of ALL in us,
then is that not a good instrument of measurement?

Pilgrim, you have subtly switched the original intent of the conversation I thought we were discussing from,
"what is a good mechanism to measure the HIM level / quality?" to
"we have to be careful and need proper mechanical-type measurements to protect us from the dangers of the matters of our work killing us and reducing us to first matter ."
 

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I apologise if my despondency has diverted the course of the thread, not my intention. There is much I do not understand. My points stand I think, that you need objective ways to measure quantity/quality of whatever you believe is in the water and ways to know what it actually is and whether it is generative or degenerative. What do the texts say about it ?
 

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I apologise if my despondency has diverted the course of the thread, not my intention. There is much I do not understand. My points stand I think, that you need objective ways to measure quantity/quality of whatever you believe is in the water and ways to know what it actually is and whether it is generative or degenerative. What do the texts say about it ?
It's a good question.

I also want to say that you and I may be a bit of a mirror image of each other.
You see the matter as being everywhere man can go, as being in us. You do not trust the ability of man to test his own materials for quantity / quality of HIM.
I am seeking the matter out in mines, and in the skies, and in the earth, and not so much in me. and I have some trust in my ability to sense quality / quantity of HIM in my matters.
Ha! go figure. We're living a kind of reverse of each other.

I, for one, see no need to apologize.
Your contributions have been excellent and helpful to me.

Rock on brother.
 

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HIM particles will cause materials to loose elasticity or gain elasticity.
 

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Experimentation needs rigor and evidential objectivity not subjective feeling imho. If there exists HIM (and I'm not remotely suggesting there doesn't) then there must be ways to test for it. This is I think one of the disciplines @black keeps iterating. If we can not prove and validate what we have then we can't be certain what we have.
I whole heartedly agree with what you said about needing ways to test for HIM.
How else are we ever going to get the muggles to accept this?
Also, @black has clearly stated in the not-too-distant past that he believes alchemical truth is not a thing for public understanding, but that it should be kept hidden.
So I’m not so sure that he really wants this himself.
But regardless, it needs to be done.
So here’s something to get the ball rolling, a back-of-an-envelope proposal so to speak......

UPDATE: The following is now the 2nd draft after I realised the first version has a problem

> Separate 2 samples of water you want to test (perhaps the amount that’ll fit in a standard container like a test tube or a Petri dish).
> To 1st sample, add a standardised amount of a standardised fluoride salt solution.
Raise the temperature to a set amount (like 50 Celsius or something) and leave the sample to the open air for a set period of time (like 30 minutes or something).
Then measure the volume of sample remaining, because we’ll lose some to evaporation according to variations in humidity.
This step is designed to completely remove the HIM portion from one of the samples.
> To 2nd sample, seal it up and do nothing.
Then we take both samples and measure the surface tension on them.
Can use a pre-existing machine such as the one HERE, or ghetto one as shown HERE.

Finally, take those 2 surface tension values (along with the remaining volume of water for 2nd sample), and plug them into an equation to get a standardised number.
Perhaps the equation can compare the results to a pre-calculated result from a standardised HIM water sample such as from Lakshmanas well.
This result can tell us the torsion charge on the HIM particles compared to Lakshmanas well water.
But IMO unfortunately it still can't tell us the total amount of HIM particles present.
I'm still thinking of other possible ways in which we can get that.

What do you think? Interested to hear your ideas and inputs to make it better.
Is there even such a thing as a standard succussion machine or process from the within the homeopathy profession? I don’t even know, just hoping that there is.
 
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I whole heartedly agree with what you said about needing ways to test for HIM.
How else are we ever going to get the muggles to accept this?
Also, @black has clearly stated in the not-too-distant past that he believes alchemical truth is not a thing for public understanding, but that it should be kept hidden.
So I’m not so sure that he really wants this himself.
But regardless, it needs to be done.
So here’s something to get the ball rolling, a back-of-an-envelope proposal so to speak......

> Separate 3 samples of water you want to test (perhaps the amount that’ll fit in a standard container like a test tube or a Petri dish).
> To 1st sample, add a standardised amount of a standardised fluoride salt solution.
Raise the temperature to a set amount (like 50 Celsius or something) and leave the sample to the open air for a set period of time (like 30 minutes or something).
Then measure the volume of sample remaining, because we’ll lose some to evaporation according to variations in humidity.
This step is designed to completely remove the HIM portion from one of the samples.
> To 2nd sample, seal the container and put it in a homeopathic succussion machine for a set time (maybe something like 30 minutes).
This step is designed to keep the HIM portion, but bring the torsion charge on the HIM particles down to a baseline.
> To 3rd sample, seal it up and do nothing.
This is the one we use to get our 2 readings of HIM amount and contained torsion charge.
Then we take all three samples and measure the surface tension on them.
Can use a pre-existing machine such as the one HERE, or ghetto one as shown HERE.

Finally, take those 3 surface tension values, combined with the remaining volume of second sample and plug them into an equation to get some standardised numbers.
Perhaps the equation can compare the results to a pre-calculated result from a standardised HIM water sample such as from Lakshmanas well.
It might output 2 numbers such as percentage of HIM particles and percentage of torsion charge.
Eg a result such as 120% HIM amount with 98% torsion charge, would mean the sample has more HIM than Lakshmanas water, but roughly the same charge.

What do you think? Interested to hear your ideas and inputs to make it better.
Is there even such a thing as a standard succussion machine or process from the within the homeopathy profession? I don’t even know, just hoping that there is.
Instrumental chemistry. This works on single substances but also on mixtures. So in need of testing something, we can conduct this analytical combo: cromatography + HPLC + mass spectrometry which is the ABC in analytical chemistry for the identification of substances.

We are beyond 10K $, but this is a good testing.

But for a total ignorant like me, could you explain what means HIM and where did you find this term?
 

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cromatography + HPLC + mass spectrometry which is the ABC in analytical chemistry for the identification of substances.
Thanks for the response.
But, unfortunately this stuff doesn't analyse well with traditional methods.
MB: [Source here] since my last episode with Mass Spectrography, the company will no longer accept samples from me (as it broke their machine and cost a lot to have it fixed).
could you explain what means HIM and where did you find this term?
There's a thread about HIM HERE.
As to where the term came from....as far as you guys are concerned, it came from me.
But in my own mind, it came from my teachers in a previous life.

Also, just let you know that I already altered the original proposal because it had a problem.