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Anyone who's been reading my posts over last couple of years will have probably noticed by now that I spend a lot of time talking about the importance of HIM water in alchemy.

I figured recently that even for those of you who believe me, it's not going to do you much good if you don't have any of it around you.
Even if there's no decent spring nearby, you still have other options such as running an Air Trap, collecting dew or laying out a deliquescent salt during the night of a full moon.
But if you're living in the middle of the sahara desert, or you don't have the stuff bubbling out of the ground beneath your feet, then what other choices do you have?

It turns out there's a good source readily available to anyone in the world.
There's a guy in USA name of Keith Perry, who perfected a technique for concentrating the active portion of trap water (or what I call the HIM portion).
He maxed out his process in order to super concentrate the magical part of the water to save on postage costs for his many international clients.
It's pretty expensive at USD $235 for 18ml of the stuff, but from what I understand, those 18ml will go a long way.
I did spend a bit of time pondering how Keith concentrates the HIM portion so effectively..
For what it's worth, my assumption is that he's probably using a stratifying trap (which is an excellect performing design invented by Bo Long), followed by fractional freezing to further concentrate.
Link to his website HERE for anyone who's interested, and there's a recording of him talking about his products to the ormus community HERE.
And No, I'm not affiliated with him in any way, although perhaps I should be if any of you end up buying from him...lol.

There's also "Fiji" bottled spring water which gets exported to multiple countries internationally and is probably also a good bet.
I say that because several of the experiments demonstrating supercooled water that I've seen on youtube use the Fiji brand.
In fact, if you find a youtube video of supercooled water using a brand of bottled water that you have close by, then IMO it's good for art.
Also, IMO the supercooled water effect is caused by water which has a HIM portion AND has the HIM particles carrying a decent torsion charge.
I should add that IMO fluoride ions in water causes the HIM portion of water to gas off into the surrounding air.
Therefore IMO all flouridated water is always gonna be a no-go, but more importantly if you buy Keith's drops then definately don't add them to flouridated water.
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Hope this information might help someone out.
 
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Hi GhettoAlchemist,

So... great side topic to your HIM thread.

I am wondering what you think about distillation apparatuses.

Is heating up a source of HIM water to distill (nice, fresh spring water)
on a A) Hot plate? B) Induction stove? C) Stovetop element
going to knock the HIM out there?
All these electric sources for distillation have rather significant EMFs.

I will not be doing this over a fire.
A) because it would take forever. B) it'd have to be done at night else the HIM get scattered by the Sun (possibly. I am not 100% sure about this)

Your thoughts? And any one else is welcome to chime in of course.
 

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I've recently ditched the EM heating mantle for those exact reasons. According to ghetto lore, which for the most part I agree, EM fields cause high spin states in gaia-particles. My best bet would be their interactions with torsion fields. Anyway it was a concern of mine in the beginning and seems I'm not the only one who as thought about this.

I will likely install a custom gas burner or something.

One thing that concerns me with the bottled Fiji water is its contact with both plastic and sunlight. While I don't doubt how refreshing some brands can be, I feel there is reason for concern.
 

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I've recently ditched the EM heating mantle for those exact reasons. According to ghetto lore, which for the most part I agree, EM fields cause high spin states in gaia-particles. My best bet would be their interactions with torsion fields. Anyway it was a concern of mine in the beginning and seems I'm not the only one who as thought about this.

I will likely install a custom gas burner or something.

One thing that concerns me with the bottled Fiji water is its contact with both plastic and sunlight. While I don't doubt how refreshing some brands can be, I feel there is reason for concern.

The gas burner is a good idea.
Why didn't I think of that?
Has to be done outside then, and shielded from the sun, or in a fume hood, or good vent.

Thanks Elixir.

I agree about the Fiji water with plastic and exposed to sunlight.
I also am open to the possibilities that these things don't matter as much as we might attribute to them.
In the end, hands on experience and time will tell.
 

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I've been using regular heating mantle at high heat with no problem getting results.

I also used ethanol flame in a fondue burner with pretty much the same results except flasks cracking more often.

I don't think the sun is gonna ruin it you might even want to try taking a square clear glass bottle and attaching mirrors on all sides except one to let it solarize then do the distillations.

Electromagnetic fields might even help distill the Gaia grease over based on that emf boiling page on subtle energies.
Maybe shield the receiver with some aluminum or iron to make sure it re-condenses into the water.

Also putting the distillate into a "meow kettle" or orgone athanor each cycle seems to make white stuff appear.
 

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I've been using regular heating mantle at high heat with no problem getting results.

I also used ethanol flame in a fondue burner with pretty much the same results except flasks cracking more often.

I don't think the sun is gonna ruin it you might even want to try taking a square clear glass bottle and attaching mirrors on all sides except one to let it solarize then do the distillations.

Electromagnetic fields might even help distill the Gaia grease over based on that emf boiling page on subtle energies.
Maybe shield the receiver with some aluminum or iron to make sure it re-condenses into the water.

Also putting the distillate into a "meow kettle" or orgone athanor each cycle seems to make white stuff appear.
hey Lakshmana,
Pleasure to hear from you.

When you say "with no problem getting results," can you give me an example of what those results may look like, so as to determine the "good stuff" in the distillate is still philosophically functioning?

Great suggestions.
I am in a "consider everything" sort of open discovery mode now. I think it's where I have to be, until, I as well, like the
astral spirit, fix into place certain points of knowledge.

Do you have a link to: that emf boiling page on subtle energies?
 

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quoting from the page you shared Lakshmana

Barry: How thick is the oil?
Jim: Quite waxy. It looks like high vac grease.
Barry: And how long does that stay around?
Jim: It evaporates. The minute you take it out of the mu shielded container, it evaporates.
Barry: If you cap it, can you take it out of the mu shielded container?
Jim: I seriously doubt it. And you can see vapors coming off of it as it evaporates. You can see distortions just like heat waves through the air. Quite interesting.
Jim: And they all said that it smelt like a spring in the hills or something. You know how you smell all the various blossoms?
Barry: Oh yea, oh yea.

All very precisely accurate qualities of our dearly beloved Alkahest.
 

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The red blood video has no additives just a natural water worked trough many cycles.

No metals or minerals or any additives. Just the source water.

The red blood is the most volatile fraction. But it becomes fixed at a later stage of the process.

When fixed, this red blood is already an unmultiplied universal quintessence and it's already medicinal.

And just to be clear it's with a normal heating mantle.
 

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The red blood video has no additives just a natural water worked trough many cycles.

No metals or minerals or any additives. Just the source water.

The red blood is the most volatile fraction. But it becomes fixed at a later stage of the process.

And just to be clear it's with a normal heating mantle.
Beautiful work.
Is your well dug into limestone? in keeping with Ghetto's unfolding HIM theory?

you distilled that 20X ?
 

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Beautiful work.
Is your well dug into limestone?
It is not well water and it's not dew either.

And yes my well is dug into limestone and is 70 meters deep thank you for asking ᕙ⁠(͡⁠°⁠‿⁠ ͡⁠°⁠)⁠ᕗ

you distilled that 20X ?
I did like 35 before but it was not a good enough source water. I found a better water. And it's not urine either. But all waters are good, because everything comes from water.
 

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It is not well water and it's not dew either.

And yes my well is dug into limestone and is 70 meters deep thank you for asking ᕙ⁠(͡⁠°⁠‿⁠ ͡⁠°⁠)⁠ᕗ

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I have a well in limestone land too, but we had bacteria in the water and had to run it through UV light.

Our water is good, but I don't feel that "ahhhh" light energy feel as from drinking water straight from the source.

In your opinion, does this scatter / disperse HIM, as per the action of the sun?
I ask because I reckon Ghettoalchemist is on the ball with this idea.

I did like 35 before but it was not a good enough source water. I found a better water. And it's not urine either. But all waters are good, because everything comes from water.

give me a clue...
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with so many distillations, one thing we can say is that water you're exalting there is quite DDW - deuterium depleted.
 

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Thanks guys, you've all covered some excellent ground in this thread.

Just wanted to chime in with my understanding of the things that've been raised here.

IMO it's already been well proven in the ormus literature that strong EMF will volatise the HIM portion and force it to leave as a gas.
So if you want to keep the HIM portion in your flask, then IMO it's best to avoid all electric heating options and stick with gas or alcohol burners.

Of course if you want to distill out the HIM portion to condense it elsewhere, then using electricity is a really good idea.

To be clear about my opinion of sunlight.....
Several ormus researchers have specified that exposure to sunlight or UV light will cause ormus white powders to revert back to metal.
My own experience is that leaving my springwater in a glass bottle exposed to the hot Australian sun causes it to taste unpleasant and make me sick if I'm stupid enough to drink it.
I've done that experiment twice now, that's enough for me.
I now realise that other countries such as Sweden and Canada probably won't get the same intense summer sunlight as in Australia
If you live in these kinds of places, perhaps you don't need to worry about sunlight so much, perhaps you don't need to worry about it at all.

As to the exact reaction of sunlight with HIM water...
IMO strong sunlight has a very marked negative effect on the HIM portion of springwater.
My assumption is that UV light somehow changes the torsion spin on HIM particles.
But it doesn't really matter though.
For me, it's just a simple rule to follow, keep HIM substances out of EMF fields and direct sunlight (unless you want to do EM distillation).

If you live in a high latitude country and put HIM water in sunlight with no noticeable problems, that doesn't mean that I'm wrong about the effect of the sun in Australia.

Lastly, it's not just me saying this sort of thing about sunlight.
In the cold fusion community, one of the Russian experimenters put a reaction core which had been dormant for 18 months into direct sunlight and it started pinging off strange radiation immediately.
I think the same guy even provided a video clearly showing the strange radiation particles pinging off from inside a cloud chamber.
Unfortunately I can't give you a link to this because I found it in the youtube channel "Martin Fleishman Memorial Project" where it's now buried under hundreds of hours of chaff (apparently this is done deliberately too).


 

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with so many distillations, one thing we can say is that water you're exalting there is quite DDW - deuterium depleted.
That's actually a really good point, and totally correct.
Since dueterium has a tendancy to distill off after light water, experiments like Lakshmanas are likely to be totally free of any heavy water portion.
 

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Just wanted to chime in with my understanding of the things that've been raised here.

Of course if you want to distill out the HIM portion to condense it elsewhere, then using electricity is a really good idea.
For me, it's just a simple rule to follow, keep HIM substances out of EMF fields and direct sunlight (unless you want to do EM distillation).

I really do value your input in this matter GA.
I like also the possibility of the strength of the sun being a factor.
And Lakshmana stating that he still gets good results with electric heating also confirms what you're proposing.

Just so I am really clear -
If I distill using an electric heating source - the HIM will distill out of the boiling flask and will be caught in the receiving flask, correct?

If that is the case, then yeah, no worries. Because I want to exalt the distillate and am not concerned about it fleeing into the receiving flask.
 

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I think you guys should re read John French's art of distillation, the section on water. There are some interesting connections to be made with what you are talking about here IMO. He advises to work with putrefied water; distill the volatile fraction x7 or until it goes over white. Then I will fix itself into stones and crystals upon a long incubation. At least that's what my memory is telling me. You need to start with a high volume to have enough at the end of 7x distillation. Though I wonder if a fractionating column might allow one to keep a larger fraction of the volatile on each round..
 

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I copied the section here for anyone who is interested.

BOOK V

A MISCELLANY OF SPAGYRICAL EXPERIMENTS AND CURIOSITIES

THE SPAGYRICAL ANATOMY OF WATER

Water seems to be a body so very homogeneous, as if neither nature nor art could discover any heterogeneity in the parts thereof. Thus indeed it seems to the eye of the vulgar, but to that of a philosopher far otherwise, as I shall endeavor to make credible by presenting to your consideration a twofold process of the discovering of the dissimilarity of parts thereof, whereof the one is natural only, and the other artificial.

But before I speak of either, it must be premised that in the element of water there is great plenty of the spirit of the world which is more predominant in it than in any other element, for the use and benefit of universal nature, and that this spirit has three distinct substances, viz. salt, sulphur, and mercury. Now, by salt we must understand a substance very dry, vital, and radical, having in it the beginning of corporification, as I may call it. By sulphur, a substance full of light and vital heat, or vivifying fire, containing in itself the beginning of motion, and by mercury we must understand a substance abounding with radical moisture, with which the sulphur of life, or vital fire, is cherished and preserved.

Now, these substances which are in the spirit of the world make all fountains and waters, but with some difference, according to the predominancy of either. This several predominancy therefore is the ground of the variety of productions. I say "of productions" because all things are produced out of water. For water is both the sperm and the menstruum of the world; the former, because it includes the seed of everything; the latter, because the sperm of nature is putrefied in it, so that the seed included in it should be actuated and take upon it the diverse forms of things, and because by it the seed itself, and all things produced of seed, grow and are increased. Now, this being premised, I shall show you what the natural process is which I shall make plain by instancing in three several productions. viz. of the spawn of frogs, of stones and of vegetables.

The spawn of frogs is produced after this manner, viz. the sulphur which is in the water, being by the heat of the sun resolved and dissolved, is greedily and with delight conceived by the element of water, even as the sperm of a male is by the matrix of the female, and that upon this account. The water wants siccity which the sulphur has and, therefore exceedingly desiring it, does greedily attract it to itself. Sulphur also wants humidity and, therefore, attracts the humidity of the water. Moreover, the humidity of the water has the humidity of the salt laid up occultly in it. Also, the sulphur cherishes the humidity of the fire and desires nothing more than the humidity of the salt that is in the water.

Sulphur also contains the siccity of the salt, whence it is that salt requires a siccity from the sulphur. And thus do these attractive virtues mutually act upon each other's subject. Now, by this means there is a conception made in the water which now begins to be turgid, puffed up, and troubled, as also to be grosser and more slimy, until out of the spermatic vessels the sperms be cast upward, in which sperms after a while appear black specks which are the seed of the frogs and by the heat of the sun are in a short time turned into the same, by which it appears there are dissimilar parts in water.

Stones are produced out of water that has a mucilaginous mercury which the salt, with which it abounds, fixes into stones. This you may see clearly by putting stones into water, for they will after a time contract a mucilaginous slimy matter which, being taken out of the water and set in the sun, becomes to be of a stony nature. And whence come those stones, gravel, and sand which we see in springs?

They are not washed down out of the mountains and hills (as some think) from whence the waters spring. Neither were they in the earth before the springs broke forth (as some imagine) and now appear by washing away of the earth from them. For if you dig around the springs, even beyond the heads of them, you shall find no stones at all in the earth, only in the veins thereof through which the water runs.

Now, the reason of the smallness of the stones is the continual motion of the water which hinders them from being united into a continued bigness. I shall make a further confirmation of this in the artificial process of manifesting the heterogeneity of water. I shall here only add the assertion of Helmont, saying that with his alkahest all stones and, indeed, all things may be turned into water. If so, then you know what the maxim is, viz., all things may be resolved into that from whence they had their beginning.

Vegetables are produced out of water, as you may clearly see by the waters sending forth plants that have no roots fixed in the bottom, of which sort is the herb called "duckweed" which puts forth a little string into the water which is as it were the root thereof. For the confirmation of this, that this herb may be produced out of mere water, there is a gentleman at this time in the city, of no small worth, that says he had fair water standing in a glass diverse years, and at last a plant sprang out of it.

Also, if you put some plants, as water mint, etc., into a glass of fair water, it will germinate and shoot out into a great length, and also take root in the water, which root will in a short time be so increased and extended as to fill up the glass; but you must remember that you put fresh water into the glass once intwo or three days. Hereunto, also, may be added the experiment of Helmont concerning the growth of a tree. For (says he) I took two hundred pound weight of earth dried in an oven and put it into a vessel, in which I set a willow tree which weighed five pounds which, by the addition of water to the earth, did in five years time grow to such a bigness as that it weighed 169 pounds, at which time I also dried and weighed the earth, and within two ounces it retained its former weight.

Besides, the ancients have observed that some herbs have grown out of snow, being putrefied. And do not we see that all vegetables are nourished and increased with an insipid water, for what else is their juice? If you cut a vine in the month of March, it will drop diverse gallons of insipid water which water if it had remained in the trunk of the vine would in a little time have been digested into leaves, stalks, and grapes, which grapes also by a further maturation would have yielded a wine, out of which you might have extracted a burning spirit.

Now, I say, although this insipid water be by the specifical sulphur and salt of the vine fixed into the stalks, leaves, and grapes of the vine, yet these give it not a corporificative matter, for that it had before, and an aptitude and potentiality to become what afterwards it proves to be. For indeed stalks, leaves, and grapes were potentially in it before, all which now it becomes to be actually by virtue of the sun and of the aforesaid sulphur and salt, whereof as I said could not add any bulk to them. Moreover, do not we see that when things are burned and putrefied, they ascend up into the air by way of vapor and fume and then descend by way of insipid dew or rain? Now, what do all these signify but that from water are all things produced, and in it are dissimilar parts?

The artificial process is this: take of what water you please, whether well water, fountain, river, or rain water, as much as you please. Let it settle three or four hours until the slime thereof separates itself. Then digest it the space of a month, after which time evaporate the fourth part by a very gentle heat and cast it away, being but the phlegm. Then distill off the remainder of the water until the feces only be left, which feces will be a slimy saltish substance. This middle substance distill again as before, casting away every time the fourth part, as phlegm, and keeping the feces by themselves for a further use, and this do seven times. Note that after the fourth or fifth distillation the water will distill over like milk, coloring the head of your still so that it can hardly be washed or scoured off.

This pure water after the seventh distillation will leave no feces behind, and if you digest it three months it will be coagulated into stones and crystals which some magnify very much for the cure of inward and outward putrefactions, out of which also may be made a dissolving spirit. Note that as this water stands in digestion you may see diverse curious colors.

Now, as for the feces which I spoke of (which indeed all waters, even the sweetest, leave at the bottom) being as I said a saltish slime and in taste, as it were, a medium between salt and nitre, take them and distill them in a retort in sand. There will first come forth a white fume which, being condensed, descends in a straight line to the bottom. Next will come over a red oil of great efficacy, exceeding the virtues of the spirit of salt or nitre. For confirmation of part of this process, take May dew gathered in the morning (when it has not rained the night before) and put it into a glass vessel, covered with a parchment pricked full of holes, and set it in the heat of the sun for the space of four months. There will store of green feces fall to the bottom, the residue of the water being white and clear. Now by all this you may conclude what manner of dissimilarity there is in the parts of water.


I shall add but one observation more, and so conclude this subject. Take a flint out of river water and put it into a gourd glass. Pour upon it as much river water as will fill the glass. Evaporate this water until the flint be dry. Then pour on more fresh water. Do this so long until the flint will fill up the glass (for in a little time it will fill it up and become to be of the form or figure of the glass) for it attracts to itself the mucilaginousness of the water which, indeed, is a slimy saltish matter and the true matter of stones. And thus you shall have that done by art in few days which nature would have been perfecting many years and, indeed, just such a flint as is produced in the rivers. Anyone that should see this flint in the glass would wonder how it should come in there. You may break your glass and take out your flint.
 

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Oh and ignore my previous comment apparently he discards the first quarter.. bad memory I guess
 

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Separating the most volatile and incubating it until it becomes fixed is real.

The volatile becomes a niter, which in turn fixes itself into an alkali and in the end it becomes like a stone.

In the red blood vid I sent the whole water is distilled without separating anything.

Same principles different process but you can use any fraction and it will lead to the same result because one fraction is magnetic to another ⁠☆゚⁠.⁠*⁠・⁠。゚
 

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Oh and ignore my previous comment apparently he discards the first quarter.. bad memory I guess
Thanks for sharing this. It has similar features to the archaeus of water experiment in Golden Chain of Homer.
The part about flint growing in the glass is wild.

What I don't understand is why you would evaporate off 1/4. He calls it phlegm, but wouldn't you be losing the most volatile parts of the water? In this would be the highest amount of spirit.
 

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Evaporation only after fixation.
 

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To the Mods:
Whoever made the edit to the post above; I guess the formatting is not pretty when copied pasted via mobile device. Sorry for that; the source material was formatted properly I assure you.

Separating the most volatile and incubating it until it becomes fixed is real.

The volatile becomes a niter, which in turn fixes itself into an alkali and in the end it becomes like a stone.

In the red blood vid I sent the whole water is distilled without separating anything.

Same principles different process but you can use any fraction and it will lead to the same result because one fraction is magnetic to another ⁠☆゚⁠.⁠*⁠・⁠。゚
Thanks for sharing this. It makes sense to me that if we concentrate or, isolate at either end of the spectrum that this polar imbalance will naturally attract the opposite as all systems seeks an equilibrium. The "magnet" of the wise..
I like the idea of just distilling the water 7x without the separations, it is a little simpler.
Thanks for sharing this. It has similar features to the archaeus of water experiment in Golden Chain of Homer.
The part about flint growing in the glass is wild.

What I don't understand is why you would evaporate off 1/4. He calls it phlegm, but wouldn't you be losing the most volatile parts of the water? In this would be the highest amount of spirit.
I don't really understand either; he mentions somewhere in the book how to produce vegatables, animals and minerals (luna+sol) from various fractions of the putrefied water combined often with drying action of indirect sunlight. He mentioned that a certain key was left out to prevent abuse.. I tend to concur with you that the most volatile would be kept; so if it was me, and I was going to replicate this experiment, I would keep it as an aside sortof like a hybrid JF + Archaeus experiment. No point in just "throwing it out" take observations.. I know forsure that it will be found to be highly alkaline and will have the effect of clarifying the earth left behind when applied to it. (brightening, whitening.)
 

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Very nice post Mr Ghetto and all comments are making me ponder things..Thank you Lakshmana for sharing this...

Like this red blood I distilled out of water without adding anything. (20+ cycles)

Or when I distill well water 7x it becomes more corrosive towards all metals.



the guy is distilling using browns gas he says... i did not understand the what goes where in his setup, but i get a
general idea that he is capturing the vapours by condensation.


This might be inspiring from Baron Von Welling...

Moses teaches us in Gen. Ch. I in which he illustrates the creation of the whole world that the almighty God created in the beginning "Schamajim veeth haarez, that is, the original waters came first and then the earth. Here Moses sets the spiritual glowing waters first, and not without reason, because they are the origin of all things, created by God the lord, or (they are) the origin of origins, which in its true nature is almost unrecognisable to us, as his strange (wundersam) name makes us recognise; because Moses, or rather the Holy Spirit through Moses, calls this extension "Schamajim" which is a composed name which the oldest Rabbis - those who have been trained and educated on and in the true Cabbala described as being created by combining fire and water. To us, following the literal meaning, this seems to be a strange and miraculous mixture indeed. How can it be possible to combine two elements so very different from each other? But this is nevertheless the truth of it, albeit the glowing water or the watery fire without which no creature can live can be recognised by only a few of us, although being eagerly looked for by many.


i feel water has an easy access to the other dimensions during this process that is being discussed here