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Hermes Trismegistus Old and True Natural Path - now available in English

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Tom and I had initially agreed to give it away to RAMS (and everybody else) after a grace period to recover some compensation for our efforts. Now the time had come. Thank you all for the appreciation, duly noted :)

Just an idea...

Why not set up a donation option (on Tom's site or anywhere else for that matter), so those who didn't purchase the printed books but are enjoying the free PDF copies can still express their appreciation (if so inclined) for the hard work that went into it?
 

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Tom and I had initially agreed to give it away to RAMS (and everybody else) after a grace period to recover some compensation for our efforts. Now the time had come. Thank you all for the appreciation, duly noted :)

That's most generous. I purchased both your books and have enjoyed them immensely. I'm currently working on having the translation of a related third in that series checked, Recreations Hermetiques.
 

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Just an idea...

Why not set up a donation option (on Tom's site or anywhere else for that matter), so those who didn't purchase the printed books but are enjoying the free PDF copies can still express their appreciation (if so inclined) for the hard work that went into it?

There is in fact a donation option with paypal and bitcoin buttons on Toms site. He has done immeasurable more work than I so its OK to use his site for this purpose.
 

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I just checked and they are no longer freely downloadable. On Lulu now :)

I was communicating with Sam very recently, and he has more or less lost interest in alchemy and is pursuing other interests. Perhaps it's best to make a direct inquiry to Tom.
 

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I was communicating with Sam very recently, and he has more or less lost interest in alchemy and is pursuing other interests. Perhaps it's best to make a direct inquiry to Tom.

I was just making an observation.

The books are now available from Lulu at reasonable prices.

That's fair enough, I guess.
 

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I was just making an observation.

The books are now available from Lulu at reasonable prices.

That's fair enough, I guess.

Very reasonable price at $28.77.
 

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If you have the recently published version, it's on page 34. If not, it's in the section called "About the Differences of the Tinctures in the Dry and Wet Path".

He says:





I totally agree that the Récréations/Scholia refer to clay as the matter. The several references leave no doubt.

It's odd how similar they are (obviously the later versions were based on the earlier versions), yet they differ so significantly on the matter used.

Illen

Why are you so sure? It is written in the book, yes. But in a way that it could also be a deckname.
In the scholium however it is written:

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Water fermented, putrefied and desiccated forms a silt that can be called Dry Water.

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This Silt, this Dry Water, is the clay from which the colossus of the world was formed.

To me this sounds like the clay being some kind of dry gur, that according with the first book needs to be mixed with an iron compound and something that's available everywhere man/woman can go.

Don't you think?

as well as Freddie G,

Who is Freddie G?
 

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To me this sounds like the clay being some kind of dry gur, that according with the first book needs to be mixed with an iron compound and something that's available everywhere man/woman can go.

Don't you think?

Time moves on, and for some people with open minds, willing to listen to others' perspectives, and willing to change long-held views based on new insights, understandings change with time.

My understandings have changed significantly since I wrote that five and a half years ago, and continue to change almost daily. Thus, to some extent, in my opinion, I think that what you have said has some validity. However, I think that Nature has already combined the substance beforehand, although in an impure manner, so it is ready to be used as found in Nature.
 

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Time moves on, and for some people with open minds, willing to listen to others' perspectives, and willing to change long-held views based on new insights, understandings change with time.

My understandings have changed significantly since I wrote that five and a half years ago, and continue to change almost daily. Thus, to some extent, in my opinion, I think that what you have said has some validity. However, I think that Nature has already combined the substance beforehand, although in an impure manner, so it is ready to be used as found in Nature.

xxxii. LEAH, the prophetess, writes briefly thus: Know, Nathan, that the flower of gold is the Stone; therefore subject it to heat during a certain number of days, till it assumes the dazzling appearance of white marble

What do you think this text means? I don't think nature just has flowers... And I believe Alchemists use words to compare to the likeliness of their operations and substances therefore; you must grow the flower, nature doesn't have the stone already available, it's in the form of an egg/seed that must be prepared in a suitable environment where it can blossom.

To rid something of impurity, you must extract the egg, the volatile, from the gross, and for the flower to blossom you must grow it accordingly from seed>flower

My thoughts anyway :)
 

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xxxii. LEAH, the prophetess, writes briefly thus: Know, Nathan, that the flower of gold is the Stone; therefore subject it to heat during a certain number of days, till it assumes the dazzling appearance of white marble

What do you think this text means? I don't think nature just has flowers... And I believe Alchemists use words to compare to the likeliness of their operations and substances therefore; you must grow the flower, nature doesn't have the stone already available, it's in the form of an egg/seed that must be prepared in a suitable environment where it can blossom.

To rid something of impurity, you must extract the egg, the volatile, from the gross, and for the flower to blossom you must grow it accordingly from seed>flower

My thoughts anyway :)

My comments related to the initial matter only. As mentioned, it is impure, and my understanding is that it must first be purified to its highest degree before the philosophical matter(s) can be extracted/evolved.
 

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Thus, to some extent, in my opinion, I think that what you have said has some validity. However, I think that Nature has already combined the substance beforehand, although in an impure manner, so it is ready to be used as found in Nature.

Interesting thought Illen,
if I understand you right, I could go on with my approach and get the same result (but would need more time), as I won't have those impurities in the first place, right?
 

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Interesting thought Illen,
if I understand you right, I could go on with my approach and get the same result (but would need more time), as I won't have those impurities in the first place, right?

Actually, no, at least not as I understand it. Nature has already combined the necessary ingredients in a way that makes it useful for the work. The whole is always greater than the parts, and some of the components are in a more primitive and necessary state.

But this is just my own perspective. You must find your own, so don't let my comments stop you in your approach.

If your way works, let me know and I will listen.
 

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Fred Gualdi/Gualdus

You mean Federico Gualdi, or Frederico Gualdo?
His name seems to have been difficult since right from the beginning. Sorry to bother you again Andro, but can you please name the source with his "device info"?
Thank you!
 

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You mean Federico Gualdi, or Frederico Gualdo?
His name seems to have been difficult since right from the beginning. Sorry to bother you again Andro, but can you please name the source with his "device info"?

Gualdi/Gualdo - same person, I'd guess. He's mentioned by Ruesenstein as well.

Don't recall exactly where I read it. But it was some rare text (I doubt it's available online, and I don't have it), by (or attributed to) Gualdi, describing a "Manner of Catching the Spiritus Mundi", a bit similar to the other "devices", but with one vessel only. Somewhat similar to the method in "Hyle & Coahyle", but with coal fire instead of a sand bath, if memory serves.
 

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Gualdi/Gualdo - same person, I'd guess. He's mentioned by Ruesenstein as well.

Don't recall exactly where I read it. But it was some rare text (I doubt it's available online, and I don't have it), by (or attributed to) Gualdi, describing a "Manner of Catching the Spiritus Mundi", a bit similar to the other "devices", but with one vessel only. Somewhat similar to the method in "Hyle & Coahyle", but with coal fire instead of a sand bath, if memory serves.

Thanks again!
I try to find the original "device source". It is evident to me that Bacstrom did not come up with that idea by himself as he states a lot of times that he has not the slightes clue what this Nitre or "celestial water" is all about. The device is not in the original german "moonshine" either. There are a lot of sources for the second labour (imbibing the clay) and those R&C guys seemed to be quite some copycats, so I believe there must exist this kind of source somewhere.

Do you mean the Hyle & Coahyle method where an open roundflask is heated in mild heat in a sandbath and there is supposed to appear a cold water inside? I guess there are some missing pieces as well, because this will never happen this way alone, right?
As for the Hyle & Coahyle method of obtaining the fixed salt, this summer should have been a wonderful occasion to collect plenty.
 

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Do you mean the Hyle & Coahyle method where an open round flask is heated in mild heat in a sand bath and there is supposed to appear a cold water inside?

I guess there are some missing pieces as well, because this will never happen this way alone, right?

Yes & yes.
 

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Hmm...
if you mix some saltpeter with cool water, it gets even colder (pretty much).
 

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xxxii. LEAH, the prophetess, writes briefly thus: Know, Nathan, that the flower of gold is the Stone; therefore subject it to heat during a certain number of days, till it assumes the dazzling appearance of white marble

What do you think this text means? I don't think nature just has flowers... And I believe Alchemists use words to compare to the likeliness of their operations and substances therefore; you must grow the flower, nature doesn't have the stone already available, it's in the form of an egg/seed that must be prepared in a suitable environment where it can blossom.

To rid something of impurity, you must extract the egg, the volatile, from the gross, and for the flower to blossom you must grow it accordingly from seed>flower

My thoughts anyway :)


Solid assessment, tAlch!

Alchemists certainly do "use words to compare to the likeliness of their operations and substances". Very few people here seem to realize this, so it is refreshing to see you post such blatant Truth for us all to digest and take to heart.

In the book we see the Flower of the Alchemists described in a various passages, but specifically the section on Putrefaction describes these first Flowers very well in my opinion...


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Solid assessment, tAlch!

Alchemists certainly do "use words to compare to the likeliness of their operations and substances". Very few people here seem to realize this, so it is refreshing to see you post such blatant Truth for us all to digest and take to heart.

In the book we see the Flower of the Alchemists described in a various passages, but specifically the section on Putrefaction describes these first Flowers very well in my opinion...


Ce13SO9.jpg

It's been said by many a farmer around here that when you burn brush (as they often do to rid the tall weeds from barren fields in the spring), seeds are already in the ground, and will sprout and flourish in the new ashen soil, which they do.

Fires blacken the ground and scorch the earth, but inside that raised bed of ash are hidden seeds that have laid in wait, hoping for their chance to shine. They come up freely and blossom soon after. ;)
 

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It's been said by many a farmer around here that when you burn brush (as they often do to rid the tall weeds from barren fields in the spring), seeds are already in the ground, and will sprout and flourish in the new ashen soil, which they do.

Fires blacken the ground and scorch the earth, but inside that raised bed of ash are hidden seeds that have laid in wait, hoping for their chance to shine. They come up freely and blossom soon after. ;)


Native Americans realized this too. They used to burn grasslands when the herds couldn’t be found, knowing that the grass would sprout up again and attract the game they were after.
 

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Australia has always been prone to natural bushfires. As a result the local flora have developed seed pods that will only germinate after being burned by fire. Pretty cool!
 

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Native Americans realized this too. They used to burn grasslands when the herds couldn’t be found, knowing that the grass would sprout up again and attract the game they were after.

From what I've heard, whole forests, as the natural sequestration goes straight to grassland after the burning, which buffalo and other grazing herds are attracted to. There's actually a book titled '1491' that supposedly mentions how forest density in the US is higher now than it was before the discovery of the 'new world.'
 

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Gualdi/Gualdo - same person, I'd guess. He's mentioned by Ruesenstein as well.

Don't recall exactly where I read it. But it was some rare text (I doubt it's available online, and I don't have it), by (or attributed to) Gualdi, describing a "Manner of Catching the Spiritus Mundi", a bit similar to the other "devices", but with one vessel only. Somewhat similar to the method in "Hyle & Coahyle", but with coal fire instead of a sand bath, if memory serves.
Maybe you have seen this one:
Qualdianus, Fridericus: Geheime Ecstasis oder Abhandlung und Betrachtung großer und übernatürlicher Geheimnisse, [Coburg], [Ahl], 1797

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An interesting collection of recipes, some might be trivial and nonsense, some might hide a deeper meaning ...

A big volume and compendium about this mysterious Federico Gualdo was written by the Italian Alexandre Danann (pseudonym) in French.

Une rose-croix meconnu entre le XVII et le XVIII siecles : Frederico Gualdi ou Auguste Melech Hultazob prince d'Achem

http://www.federicogualdi.net/sito_gualdi/index.htm