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I'm back for a short while. It appears there is more than one way of skinning a cat. So....I spent three years connecting the dots between the European Druids, alchemy and a little bit of folk lore that I came across together with some concocting of my own.
The Druids were a secret bunch of chappies but a lot of their practical applications made their way into clothing dyes and tanning of leather. What interested me the most was the connection between their revered oak tree, Abraham the Jew's revered oak tree and also the rose tree and the connection to my triple water or ozone.
Instead of going through all of it which would take me six months to write, I'm going to keep in the Druid spirit and I won't tell you to do anything. Rather than that I'm going to tell you what not to do.
First of all do not collect 3LB of oak apples or oak galls from a standard British oak. Do not crush them into powder with a coffee grinder, this is forbidden.
Whatever you do, do not mix the powdered galls with fresh dew water from a spring night or distilled water that has been oxygenated with an ozone machine, do not let it soak for 24 hours.
After 24 hours do not warm the mixture up to 90c and extract all the tannins from the mixture to form tannic acid, this is very naughty especially if you do it for 4 hours.
Do not strain the mixture to get rid of the debris and do not store it in a jar.
Do not keep fortifying this mixture with ozone, it's forbidden.
There are three paths you must not take from here on in. Path A, path B and path C.
On path A what ever happens do not take your tannic acid and mix it with strong sulfuric acid and do not boil it at 110c until a white crystalline substance appears, do not call it gallic acid. Do not collect and store it from the concoction, do not fortify it with ozone and use this substance to treat any illnesses.
Path B, Do not take Aqua regis and fortify it with gold until it will take no more gold, definitely do not mix it with fortified gallic acid and place in a microwave oven at 300w for one minute intervals until yet another substance crystallizes. Do not collect this product, it is forbidden. Do not perform experiments on it involving heat at about 310c. Do not call it modified Rufigallol, do not experiment with it.
Path C, Do not take any metal that can be dissolved in strong sulfuric acid and dissolve it in strong sulfuric acid, this is strictly forbidden. Do not add sulfuric acid with dissolved metals in them to gallic acid and do not heat in a microwave at 300w for one minutes intervals until a red crystalline substance appears. Do not collect this product and perform experiments on it involving heat at about 310c. This is forbidden.
There are no more things I cannot tell you not to do apart from not to research what the FDA did to anyone wishing to use gallic acid in cancer treatment.
 

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Thanks for cautioning everyone. What consequences would we be expecting to avoid at all costs by not doing all of the above-mentioned?
 

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How it doesn't work.
Tannic acid has the formula C76 H52 O46, plenty of donor particles in ionic exchanges of the secret kind . Adding ozone creates instability which I talked about three years ago. Gallic acid is normally C6 H2 (OH)3 CO2H but not with singlet oxygen present from ozone. It converts from tannic acid with a much lager ratio of carbon, oxygen, hydrogen and OH present, this ratio is how transmutation takes place in cold fusion processes which we seek. Rufigallol is normally C14 O8 H8 and you see that OH has now changed back to 8 single oxygen and 8 hydrogen in normal Rufigallol. This changes again with the presence of au and singlet oxygen and from the chemistry I've read, no combination has ever been achieved with au, only with other metals such as iron, aluminium or magnesium etc. We end up with a formula CAU ** H**O**(OH)**. This is because of the ionic charge of singlet oxygen will not allow normalization and these compound are extremely heavy and extremely unstable. This is what causes cold fusion reactions, instability. If you have the correct instability in any compound, things occur. Look at the front part of the formula CAU**, those figures are not exaggerated. It is that way because if you transmute silver for example, you must have the numbers there for the conversion and you must have a blueprint from which its converting from. In this case you need a lot of donor protons, electrons and neutrons at the correct ionic charge, 32 protons, 32 electrons and 58 neutrons are needed. That is a total of 122 donor particles btw. Particles can only become donors when they are destabilized in their charge. The strong force as we know it holds an atom together, in nuclear fission neutrons hit the nuclei of another atom and make them unstable. The atom splits, gives off more neutrons and the fission continues. The protons and electrons from fission reaction of uranium eventually form lead. In cold fusion, instead of having too many neutrons which makes them unstable, you change the charge of the particles so that it destabilizes everything around it. Oxygen hates being on its own, it likes to pair up with something of the opposite charge usually hydrogen, nitrogen, carbon or something of that nature. The whole of atomic stability is based as balanced charges in fact. If you pair oxygen with something it likes being with and is stable with and then you force it to reside with something that it hates being with, an imbalance occurs which is sat on a knife edge. The charge imbalance doesn't only make oxygen unstable, it makes the whole compound unstable because connected atoms become volatile, in the fact the electron orbitals become erratic. In transmutation of metals of which we speak, destabilized protons, electrons and neutrons exchange positions not because we've forced them to but because we offered them the least resistive path of stabilization. In silver for example that is molten after which we add transmutation material, the carbon, oxygen and hydrogen donors migrate to the silver atom because with more heat added to our compound, the instability becomes even worse and the charge differential becomes intolerable, so much so that the migration to silver is the easy way out. This is encouraged by the stability of gold which is the only stable element left in the compound.
To sum that up.
You create a massive instability in the most volatile element on earth - oxygen.
The oxygen destabilizes hydrogen and carbon around it by creating biased charges where they shouldn't be
You offer up a way out by offering parity in silver.
It's easier for H, C and O to donate particles to silver than it is to remain elemental. There is no heat exchange, you are not splitting atoms, four whole oxygen atoms migrate to silver, the missing neutrons are made from hydrogen which itself has no neutrons so no fission takes place.
It happens in nature with most atoms, 18 electron valances are carbon migration, 32 electron valances are oxygen migration with hydrogen filling in the neutron gaps.
 

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Thanks for cautioning everyone. What consequences would we be expecting to avoid at all costs by not doing all of the above-mentioned?

The consequences of placing suspended gold in solution with certain oxygen types are horrific and you shouldn't do it. Gold is our little perfect one remember, oxygen can't touch it, it can't bite into it like it bites into other metals. If you were to force a very unhappy volatile oxygen atom with a certain charge right next to our perfect one, the oxygen atom will try a forced entry which won't work because our little perfect one is clever, he neither accepts positive or negative charge from the poor little oxygen atom. Rejection by gold is not good because our oxygen atom doesn't know whether he should be positive or negative, in fact he doesn't know what he is anymore - he's unstable and his valance relationship within the molecole is in danger. If you put a Bunsen burner under his back side, it gets worse because his electrons are now exited but not quite knowing who his friend is anymore, he's just craving some parity in all of this but what ever you do, don't offer him parity with who loves to accept him, that would be consequential. Don't do it, it's forbidden.
 

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I'll state it again - Tannic acid has the formula C76 H52 O46, plenty of donor particles in ionic exchanges of the secret kind.
Lets just think about it again for a second:-
To convert silver to gold without other donor particles what would need to take place chemically? Well you'd need to split the silver atom apart, the complete structure so that donor material could be provided for gold. That would cause nuclear fission, it's never been achieved in history without fission.
You can build things but you cannot pull them apart and start again.
Simple experiment with electrolysis that anyone can do: [link broken]

I did those years ago successfully, anyone can do it. Notice its always carbon and oxygen and hydrogen involved and no other materials in those transmutations. What they don't tell you is that the plasma arc is creating ozone which affects all the experiments, only ozone works for anything, I've proved it.
Here is my stumbling block, I know it all works and I know others will get it to work but I don't get the biology of it all.
I know that lacing aqua regia with a lot of gold is the only way you can get it to marry with gallic acid, I know its the age old problem of marrying organic to inorganic and that's where we stumbled in the past but I don't get the health thing.
Studied Telleron pairs, deoxyribose interaction, the chemistry which is interlinked with THC and B17, the similarities between gallic acid, THC and B17 etc. Even cured myself with the damn stuff and yet it refuses to give me its secrets. Studied genetics for years and I can't suss it out. OH seems to be prevalent in the above mentioned biology and I know there is more than likely a phosphorus oxygen based protein involved. Its like trying to solve a jigsaw with no pieces.
 

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The biology part of it, I'm not interested in transmutation anymore, I'm done with that, I want the keys to the biology.
I'll tell you what I think is taking place but a lot is guess work.
It attacks cancer in the same way B17 does. Lets call healthy cells alpha cells and cancer cells beta cells. B17 has cyanide trapped within an enzyme that can only be triggered by the presence of beta cells in the human body. Certain conditions surrounding the beta cell, trigger the release and at first I thought it was enzymes released by immortal cells which have no telleron breaks.
That can't be true because there are other immortal cells in the body that don't have telleron breaks such as the eyes. You'd simply go blind.
Also the immortality that is enhanced by the stone which without doubt stops telleron breaks would also be attacked. In other words it would make cells immortal then later attack those very cells so it has to be somewhere else. Then I looked at how B17 worked into more detail and found that cancer cells create different enzymes and bodily responses than what immortal cells do even though they are immortal and that is to do with growth regulation in proteins. Cancer cells have no growth regulation and B17 attacks that very mechanism.
The stone however has no cyanide present to attack beta cells and therefore must attack the same genome in another way because we have no nitrogen in our AU C O H group. I then looked at THC and found the OH O and H group together with the branch P OH COOH. Things looked a bit more promising. I also started to think we missed a phosphorus element out of the stone group but we didn't.
So my feelings are the gallic acid group with the au in there are the mechanism perhaps combined with our own biology where there is an interaction somewhere. Ozone on its own is part of it, I've also proved that a few years ago on my own body. I took ten year old warts off my hand in two days with it and the skin which it replaced it with stopped telleron breaks for years, I had patches of skin that refused to grow old. Now they are moving again. I know what it does in that respect but it needs a carrier.
I just can't seem to get any further with it, I know what to do and when the time comes I know where I'm going with it but I don't know how it works and I'd like to. It took my cancers off in a week, I know where it leads. Just remember, don't mess or take anything unless you absolutely know what you're dealing with. Gallic acid is not toxic and ozone is not as toxic as some make out but there are still safety aspects to consider.
 

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My time is up, I'll be back in 2026 and we'll see where the planet is, we'll see where we all are. I have much work to do and a short time to do it.
My advice to anyone at this juncture in time - beware of anyone trying to stick needles and chemicals into your body that you don't really need and if they do manage to coerce you into it then learn ways to neutralize it.
This is your life, your time on the planet and your future, make it stay that way.
What ever direction you wish to take, what ever you choose to believe, stick with it and see it through until the end. There will come a time in all your lives when one path will fade away and another path will open up.
You'll know yourself when it happens and you'll know why it happens, when it does stick to it, don't stray away from it. Keep your family and friends safe from the evil that has unleashed itself upon this world.
Good luck, take care and keep on the right path.
 

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First of all do not collect 3LB of oak apples or oak galls from a standard British oak. Do not crush them into powder with a coffee grinder, this is forbidden.
Whatever you do, do not mix the powdered galls with fresh dew water from a spring night or distilled water that has been oxygenated with an ozone machine, do not let it soak for 24 hours.
After 24 hours do not warm the mixture up to 90c and extract all the tannins from the mixture to form tannic acid, this is very naughty especially if you do it for 4 hours.
Do not strain the mixture to get rid of the debris and do not store it in a jar.
Do not keep fortifying this mixture with ozone, it's forbidden.
There are three paths you must not take from here on in. Path A, path B and path C.
On path A what ever happens do not take your tannic acid and mix it with strong sulfuric acid and do not boil it at 110c until a white crystalline substance appears, do not call it gallic acid. Do not collect and store it from the concoction, do not fortify it with ozone and use this substance to treat any illnesses.

I look forward to not doing any of this. Thanks for the informative warning : )

Found something interesting re: UV-C exposed Gallic acid:

Also, news to me, Carob is evidently very rich in Gallic acid:

I grew up in a household that went through a long phase of no chocolate allowed, and Carob was the stand in. I look forward to reacquainting myself with it’s unique flavor.

Relating to the above warning:

If one was mainly after an internal “food as medicine” end product, I suppose I won’t think of making a Carob O3 cold brew, then surely not convert it to a hot tea, definitely not for hours.

Heaven forbid the thought of filtering such an alleged brew. And mercy upon the thought of acidifying via a food safe acid. Phosphoric acid (in light of the recent chat) instead of Sulfuric, or even Camu Camu berry powder, for a full food grade recipe.
 

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I look forward to not doing any of this. Thanks for the informative warning : )

Found something interesting re: UV-C exposed Gallic acid:

Also, news to me, Carob is evidently very rich in Gallic acid:

I grew up in a household that went through a long phase of no chocolate allowed, and Carob was the stand in. I look forward to reacquainting myself with it’s unique flavor.

Relating to the above warning:

If one was mainly after an internal “food as medicine” end product, I suppose I won’t think of making a Carob O3 cold brew, then surely not convert it to a hot tea, definitely not for hours.

Heaven forbid the thought of filtering such an alleged brew. And mercy upon the thought of acidifying via a food safe acid. Phosphoric acid (in light of the recent chat) instead of Sulfuric, or even Camu Camu berry powder, for a full food grade recipe.
Every culture had its way. This was the Druid way. Egypt had its way and others had theirs.
 

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Every culture had its way. This was the Druid way. Egypt had its way and others had theirs.

As I looked deeper into this I found that Oak Galls far exceed Carrob with regard to Tannic acid content.

Back to Galls & Gallic acid extraction, I found this interesting study, showing Tannic acid to Gallic acid conversion via H2O2:


Mainly of interest as I’ve got a curiosity about a possible route to consuming Gallic acid that avoids processing via H2SO4.
 

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First of all do not collect 3LB of oak apples or oak galls from a standard British oak. Do not crush them into powder with a coffee grinder, this is forbidden.
Whatever you do, do not mix the powdered galls with fresh dew water from a spring night or distilled water that has been oxygenated with an ozone machine, do not let it soak for 24 hours.
After 24 hours do not warm the mixture up to 90c and extract all the tannins from the mixture to form tannic acid, this is very naughty especially if you do it for 4 hours.
Do not strain the mixture to get rid of the debris and do not store it in a jar.
Do not keep fortifying this mixture with ozone, it's forbidden.
There are three paths you must not take from here on in. Path A, path B and path C.
On path A what ever happens do not take your tannic acid and mix it with strong sulfuric acid and do not boil it at 110c until a white crystalline substance appears, do not call it gallic acid.

@nav2010 Would I be off-base in believing there is possibly a noteworthy & usable short version if the above, with regard to facilitating an aqueous extract of Gallic acid?

My thought process is thus:

* That there is evidence simple oxidation / hydrolysis, via O3 / H2O2 converts Tannic acid to GA.

* That GA is soluble in H2O at 1g per 87ml.

I’m essentially motivated in producing a drinkable / topically applicable Gallic acid solution, stopping short of a Sulfuric acid refined crystalline extract.

I appreciate your insight(s).
 

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PS: some Au & GA reactivity eye candy:

 

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In a similar spirit of enthusiasm, but re: GA anti-cancer properties:

 

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Perhaps some may find this a beautiful presentation, and collection of some of Oak’s lore:

 

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@nav2010 so I’ve been curious about the TA to GA fermentation path. Seems a common approach would be ~ a month.

Found it interesting to see this Lacto fermentation process that seems to have found maximum conversion in a few hours;

“ we can see that the gallic acid content in the COF culture broth fermented with B. subtilis was significantly (p < 0.05) promoted during the 6–18 h fermentation period at various COF concentration levels; however, there were no significant changes in the content during the 24–42 h fermentation period.”


Anyway, would be fun sometime to listen & learn from any TA fermentation stories / best practices you might have.

go raibh maith agat
 

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They are not acids like nitric or sulphuric. They are mild.

Yet your instructions state to use strong Sulphuric acid, so there seems to be a mixed message. If you care to clarify, I’d love to learn.

How’s that for addition, @Awani.
 

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They are not acids like nitric or sulphuric. They are mild.
But you say in your first post that:
There are three paths you must not take from here on in. Path A, path B and path C.

On path A what ever happens do not take your tannic acid and mix it with strong sulfuric acid
Path B, Do not take Aqua regis
Path C, Do not take any metal that can be dissolved in strong sulfuric
Can you please clarify it?
 

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So I debated whether to explore this Oak path first via direct extraction of Oak Galls, as @nav2010 has graciously outlined, but I reasoned I would have a more precise understanding of the mg / gram dosage (and effects) of Gallic Acid by leveraging pre-extracted GA.

Especially as there are existing studies on GA that have done the work relating to documenting effects upon physiology.

For example: there’s evidently a range of benefits GA facilitates, such as (but not limited to):

1 - anti-anxiety effects at as little as 5mg a kg (a)

2 - MAO-I effects at 10-20mg a kg (b)

3 - pain relief at 20-40mg a kg (c),

4 - anti-inflammatory effects at 50-100mg a kg (a)

5 - anti-cancer at 100mg a kg (d)

6 - sedation at 500mg a kg (a)

I’m about 90kg so I aimed for the middle of this range, and mixed 6 grams of the GA powder into distilled Water, and drank it.

It’s got a pleasant and fairly complex taste. A hint of sweet & fresh summer berries, would be the best way I can think of.

As for effects, it calmed the physical & mental pain and darkness that was in the moment breaking me down, and I was able to drift into a relaxing afternoon nap (waking with relief). Sleep of any kind for me has been practically unattainable for some time, let alone rest during the day. I will test again before bed and see how that works.

Overall, I’m blessed and excited to explore & learn more about this interesting Oak compound. Thanks @nav2010.

PS: For those interested in Nav’s O3 methods, I will also test bubbling Ozone through a GA solution once I refill my O tank.

References:

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(b)

(c)

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