Has anyone made ORMUS from Pure Gold Metal? + My experiences attempting to do so

[Pristine Water]

but when I "charge" it using microwave and freeze cycles, it does suddenly produce them.

I was looking up the Orgone Accumulator Handbook recently about bion packs and came across this paragraph, pg 73, wherein it specifically says to avoid a microwave.

The following simple recipe for the bion pack was developed from a variety of sources. A bion pack can be made from clean beach sand or other earthen or clay materials known to have healing properties. A large handful of the earthen material is wrapped in a thick sock, or other heavy fabric container, like a sausage, about one foot in length and 1/2 foot in width. It should be tied or sewn shut so that the material cannot spill out. The bion pack is subsequently saturated and boiled in water, or in a pressure cooker, for about 15 minutes. After this, it is wrapped in wax paper or plastic and allowed to freeze solid, in the freezer. For the first use of the bion pack, the boiling and freezing process should be alternated several times. It should not be cooked in a microwave oven. The bion pack is used after one of the boilings, being allow to cool, with excess water drained off. The pack is then applied to the body, with additional cloth insulation in case it is too hot. As the beach sand disintegrates from the cooking and freezing, radiating microscopic blue bions will form.

Seems a little odd that your experience about the success of using a microwave is quite in contrast with the "accepted" documentation around bion packs

 

[ghetto alchemist]

Seems a little odd that your experience about the success of using a microwave is quite in contrast with the "accepted" documentation around bion packs

It doesn't say that microwaving doesn't work, it says not to do it.
Likely the author has a reason for not using a microwave, but strangely they haven't told us what it is.

My experience so far is that most people put little regard with what I write on the forums...
Eg: only 1 person bothered to replicate the incredibly simple yet inversely amazing PRAGG device.
If y'all are going to ignore my revolutionary shit, then why hang off the finer details of my smaller stuff?

But regardless, thanks for pointing out the bit about the microwave in the orgone accumulator handbook.
Just for completeness, can you give us a link to the source text?
[EDIT: there's one for free HERE, and for money HERE.]

 

[The Gray One]

I was looking up the Orgone Accumulator Handbook recently about bion packs and came across this paragraph, pg 73, wherein it specifically says to avoid a microwave.



Seems a little odd that your experience about the success of using a microwave is quite in contrast with the "accepted" documentation around bion packs

I have to agree with @ghetto alchemist on this one. While I whole heartly appreciate your engagement in my post, I am sad that of all the things said by the different folks, the thing you were most interested to comment about was the bion pack microwave theory.

I have feeling there is likely no hard evidence or a hypothesis that could be followed to back up that theory as for why to not use a microwave.

I've been running into that problem a lot myself. Its really grinding my gears and leaving a bad taste in my mouth especially after wasting a lot of my time and money convinced I could prove otherwise.

 

[Pristine Water]

If y'all are going to ignore my revolutionary shit, then why hang off the finer details of my smaller stuff?

Apologies. I didn't mean to be writing in a negative tone or trying to point mistakes or anything. It just struck me odd and I just mentioned it. My understanding of Wilhelm Reich's stuff is still very primitive since i started looking into bions only a month or so ago, so i'm totally under-qualified in this matter to pass judgement let alone criticise.

My experience so far is that most people put little regard with what I write on the forums...

I have personally benefited A LOT, and i mean it, from all the stuff that you and other folks have put onto this forum. I've been spending hours trying to digest all the new stuff and it just never ends! So a big THANK YOU to you and everyone else here

 

[Pristine Water]

Just for completeness, can you give us a link to the source text?

I used a copy i found in the aetherforce telegram group that i'm part of, but this copy here is i think the same one that i have. I checked the page number and it matches.

https://annas-archive.pk/md5/46952367f0bc2acf2679e3a9e3b99dec?&check=1

the thing you were most interested to comment about was the bion pack microwave theory.

My mind/head was saturated with reading up on bion packs and magnetite to not see anything else at that time 😇

 

[nav2010]

Definately.
Here on the forums, it pretty much NEVER happens that anyone ever conducts experiments with gold.
It might have happened once or twice, and even in those instances it'll be low level stuff.
And I'm not even talking about serious secret alchemy projects.....even something harmless and innocuous like colloidal gold never gets cooked up.

That's not strictly accurate.

 

[SaniMens]

I attempted to contact every person in that documentary. What found was troubling. Nobody from the "legacy" or original ORMUS group is available for comment.

As esoteric seekers, our job isn't just about uncovering hidden wellness secrets—
we also have to constantly defend ourselves against
institutional pushback and outright ignorance of fools.
Look at what happened right before the COVID-19 pandemic,
back when people were being forced to walk around wearing masks like face diapers.

Every major health guru out there was systematically silenced, attacked, bought off,
or completely taken out (=by death).
All 100% of them didn't make it through unscathed.

Because of this, alternative practitioners have to
follow strict customs to protect themselves when speaking to new people,
especially in online spaces.
But nobody seems interested in IRL op-sec , or digital op-sec except me;
everyone just writes me off as completely paranoid.
They can claim it’s a coincidence all they want,
but it isn’t.
Every prominent figure in the ORMUS community was silenced one way or another,
alongside countless other notable health experts,
all to clear the runway so the pandemic narrative could take hold.

 

[The Gray One]

As esoteric seekers, our job isn't just about uncovering hidden wellness secrets—
we also have to constantly defend ourselves against
institutional pushback and outright ignorance of fools.
Look at what happened right before the COVID-19 pandemic,
back when people were being forced to walk around wearing masks like face diapers.

I agree. Fear based tactics to control the mindset of the populace. In my opinion, those masks weren't doing much besides making people "feel" better about the situation.

Every major health guru out there was systematically silenced, attacked, bought off,
or completely taken out (=by death).
All 100% of them didn't make it through unscathed.

Many were yes. Just like the whole story of it being a "lab leak" was silenced, down played, called conspiracy theory but ended up having some legitimacy in the end if I recall correctly.

Because of this, alternative practitioners have to
follow strict customs to protect themselves when speaking to new people,
especially in online spaces.
But nobody seems interested in IRL op-sec , or digital op-sec except me;
everyone just writes me off as completely paranoid.

This is where I have to push back. My day job by trade is in Cyber Defense. If you were actually worried about your digital Op-sec, you wouldn't have made an account here in the first place. You wouldn't be making an account anywhere online for that matter. Before you tell me that you're using a special Linux distro going through any number of anonymizing services like the Tor network, I politely ask that you understand that the people you're worried about are 100% capable at any time of de-anonymizing and fingerprinting you through those services. So before you attempt to lecture others here on their Op-sec, I politely suggest that you consider your own if Op-sec is truly your angle. Regardless, its generally good to consider your Op-sec but in 2026 if you're that worried, you shouldn't be on the internet, shouldn't own any devices that connect to it, no phones, no accounts, zero online presence and live off grid somewhere. You are wise to be paranoid but let's also be realistic about it ok?

They can claim it’s a coincidence all they want,
but it isn’t.
Every prominent figure in the ORMUS community was silenced one way or another,
alongside countless other notable health experts,
all to clear the runway so the pandemic narrative could take hold.

As I suggested to some others in a separate thread which ruffled some feathers, have you ever considered some of these folks havn't responded because they were a victim of a scam or a perpetuator of a scam? Occam's Razor.

Here is my post regarding some thoughts on it based on upon my opinion derived from some of my observations:

Gold from Black Sands

In my view, the main secret Dr. Joe Champion (Link drjoechampion.com/2010 Notes.htm) never revealed is the passing of direct current (DC) through metal samples coated with a layer of ORMUS material. Towards the end of Joe Champion's internet presence, he mentions something called "Human...

alchemyforums.com

In my opinion, easily as much "evidence" of it being a scam as there is "evidence" of them being silenced. Again in my opinion, seems to be a bit more "evidence" of a scam then not. Is it all a scam? Who knows. I personally feel there is some truth to the claims and stories. Its around these bits of truth that the embellishment and nonsense is built around. When truth is the seed of a lie, the lie is much more believable. I am no longer going to sit here with the rose colored glasses of "investment fallacy" or "sunk cost fallacy" as @Lux Natura described quite well in his post:

https://alchemyforums.com/index.php...nsmutation-live-on-spanish-tv.8013/post-95241

My angle at this point is to chase down all data, all threads, in all directions to get to the truth. That's the thing about the truth, its irrespective of opinion, belief and bias.


Again for the others of whom have already pushed back against these thoughts of consideration, I am not saying its ALL a scam. I do not provide any "PROOF". I provide anything I've discovered. Some of which supports the belief of others and some of which does not. I'm providing data and my opinion at that time based upon that data. Its up to the reader if they consider it as "PROOF" or not. Search on my posts for yourself to see. I don't feel I'm being unreasonable. I'm not hear to change anybody's mind as that would be wasted effort. I'm here to share my findings with others and comment on those findings. Especially for those just now peering down into the rabbit hole. I expect that people will at times disagree with me and that's ok.

My analysis is far from over. My experiments are far from over and the things I would like share with others has certainly not concluded.

For completeness since I haven't mentioned it on this thread specifically, I was unsuccessful in generating any output from a pure copper metal source using the dry Lye burn and boil method. I have a bottle of 20 mesh Zinc arriving this week. I will use this in my attempts to rule out the possibility of Sulphur preventing the precipitation. There is record on the old ORMUS forums of The Essene saying Sulphur affects gold's precipitation but I haven't found any mention of it affecting copper. I will report back with my findings after trying it.

Peace, Love and Light,
Grey

 

[SaniMens]

So before you attempt to lecture others here on their Op-sec, I politely suggest that you consider your own if Op-sec is truly your angle.

This is a lot of text . I politely suggest that you make a video or photos of all the experimenting you did, so we can see better what you are writing about and so others can help you better.