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Golden Dawn Order Oath Implications

Uambra

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... and although I swore an oath at the GD the oaths I swear are ultimately to the beings I work with. No entity here on Earth needs it.

right :)

Why do you think enochian magick is the highest and most powerful system?
 
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Wildfire

It is higher than planetary and goethic magick. I never did goethic rituals, but I do a lot of planetary magick. The difference is visible in response time and magnitude.
 

Uambra

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Ah, okay, so it is the highest system you tried until now. :p

Goetia is dealing with many different kinds of entities, demons, gods, angels. Enochian magick is more about angels and the 'good' guys in general. So it depends on your approach which one is more suitable for you. I wouldn't say Enochian entities are easier to handle though. *hehehe*

Do they talk to you in Dee-Kelley-gibberish or can you communicate with them in your own language? ;)

Planets aren't moving very fast, that's why their magick might be a little sluggish. Maybe working better for long-time projects?
 
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Wildfire

Much of the communication that takes place is trhough imagery and my own language. I only have to use Enochian language to do rituals. And you're right they aren't easy to handle at all but I never deal with cacodemons. I try to mix planetary and Enochian.
 

elixirmixer

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IMHO orders are no good place to do magick. Magick is about following your own magickal paths. Just because your current grade of the order wants you to learn the Hebrew alphabet and do Kabbalah doesn't mean Kabbalah is the right thing for you at this moment (or ever). As a magician you don't follow the orders of other people, you decide what you do. This is so important, because, as you said @Wildfire, you come to points in your life where you realize you have to change something or to go for a certain magickal practice very concentrated. Doing magick means to be deeply connected to yourself, to your needs, your skills and to the entities who are willing to work together with you. No order, no rules can do this job, too often they inhibit you on your way. That doesn't mean that you can't learn from others or accept their help. You do this out of your own choice and without swearing any (ridiculous) oaths. ;)

@elixirmixer, in my opinion some books of Lon Milo Duquette are quite good and very funny to read. I didn't read them all though.

Thank you, these do look interesting. As soon as i get ahead in my uni work ill have a read, cheers.
 

Uambra

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Much of the communication that takes place is trhough imagery and my own language. I only have to use Enochian language to do rituals. And you're right they aren't easy to handle at all but I never deal with cacodemons. I try to mix planetary and Enochian.

That's cool, sounds interesting to me. When you mix them you have Greek and Jewish entities (looking at it from the roots). I suppose you call the Enochian entities, while connecting them somehow with the power of the planets - like they are connected to the elements? Or do you do something else? What is your experience, what is the difference between sticking only to the Enochian system and mixing it with planetary magick? (if you like to talk about it. if not, it's alright, of course :) )