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Wrong, you get working helmets for 40€! At least you used to get them and you will get them again when in stock again.
Why would one need such a big alembic helmet? The original ones sure were way smaller in former times too.
Freudian explanation theories come into the mind, but I wouldn't go that far in your case, z 0K :p

It takes quite a bit of starting material to get a useful amount of Quintessence or Stone for the time involved to make it. If you want to make enough for a couple of years use you will need a large volume reaction flask for the purification work. For 6000mL or larger you will need a 5000mL alembic to bring over the distillate at low temps necessary. If you use a 1000mL alembic with a 6000mL or larger flask you will still need a water cooled condenser after the alembic. Also the distillation rate and temp is influenced by the pressure in the train. Large alembics with wide mouth keep the surface pressure in the train on the liquid surface low enough for efficient sweat distillation.
 

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It takes quite a bit of starting material to get a useful amount of Quintessence or Stone for the time involved to make it. If you want to make enough for a couple of years use you will need a large volume reaction flask for the purification work. For 6000mL or larger you will need a 5000mL alembic to bring over the distillate at low temps necessary. If you use a 1000mL alembic with a 6000mL or larger flask you will still need a water cooled condenser after the alembic. Also the distillation rate and temp is influenced by the pressure in the train. Large alembics with wide mouth keep the surface pressure in the train on the liquid surface low enough for efficient sweat distillation.

I wasn't aware that it's that effective with bigger helmets but it indeed makes sense, thank you!
Anyone who already did this mind to show some pics -or at least tell- what to expect (of certain amounts of oil/water/phlegm) when distilling a certain amount of plant matter this way? Is it possible to extract reasonable amounts of essential oils out of Lamiaceas?
 

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It takes quite a bit of starting material to get a useful amount of Quintessence or Stone for the time involved to make it. If you want to make enough for a couple of years use you will need a large volume reaction flask for the purification work. For 6000mL or larger you will need a 5000mL alembic to bring over the distillate at low temps necessary. If you use a 1000mL alembic with a 6000mL or larger flask you will still need a water cooled condenser after the alembic. Also the distillation rate and temp is influenced by the pressure in the train. Large alembics with wide mouth keep the surface pressure in the train on the liquid surface low enough for efficient sweat distillation.

How about using a big Alembic (let's say, 3.000 ml) with a small flask (say, 500 ml)? Any problems with that?
 

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Because for some high temperature operations nothing beats the retort, specially the ones without stoppers. The substances or mixtures to be submitted to the action of a strong fire were loaded through the retort's side-arm and then wholly placed inside a furnace, only the side-arm sticking out and attached to the condenser and/or receiver. That means the body of the retort could be made glowing hot. If the retort was made of clay it could be used "as is" directly. If it was made of glass it was first coated with a refractory paste (usually composed out of mixtures of sand & clay) in order to allow it to keep its shape during the strong heating.



It depends on what you are submitting to distillation. If it is a substance or mixture that does not leave any hard, strongly-attached-to-the-glass substances behind in the retort, then you most likely will not have to break the retort in order to extract what remains inside the retort, or clean the retort for another use. But if what you are distilling does become strongly attached to the glass, or produces sublimates that are difficult to remove through the stopper or the side-arm of the retort, then you will most likely have to sacrifice the retort in order to be able to retrieve them.



Yes. But since they are no longer inexpensive pieces, and not as commonly found as they once were, their use has been more limited. But if you hit upon a working process that generates enough profit to more than cover the cost of potentially having to break the retort to be able to carry it out, then this issue should not be a problem. The problem is hitting upon said profitable process first!

Interesting.

Thanks.
 

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From experience, bigger helmets (with wider necks as well) can give better results in some works of salt volatilization, especially when working with larger quantities of matter.

The spirit & phlegm will go into the receiver, while the volatilized salts will mostly condense/crystallize on the inside of the (cooled) helmet.
 

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How about using a big Alembic (let's say, 3.000 ml) with a small flask (say, 500 ml)? Any problems with that?

The weight of the alembic on the boiling flask is the problemo.

You would need to order a "flanged" kit; like the one I have. These have huge, solid, wide mouthed opening (i can stick my whole hand in both my two litre boiling flask and my five ltr alembic hood)

This is the perfect alembic; because the wide mouth and large than reactiin vessel top allows for super sweet gentle distillation.

Which IS ITS PURPOSE. Do not buy one of these if you just want something pretty looking to distill your water; these are extrememly un-efficient apparatus and are designed to assistive; basically not in distilling and condensing bit rather evaporation vs condensation.
 

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But the perfect set-up is some serious dollars. As you can expect. Way more than any of the prices mentioned here so far.
 

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The weight of the alembic on the boiling flask is the problemo.

You would need to order a "flanged" kit; like the one I have. These have huge, solid, wide mouthed opening (i can stick my whole hand in both my two litre boiling flask and my five ltr alembic hood)

This is the perfect alembic; because the wide mouth and large than reactiin vessel top allows for super sweet gentle distillation.

Which IS ITS PURPOSE. Do not buy one of these if you just want something pretty looking to distill your water; these are extrememly un-efficient apparatus and are designed to assistive; basically not in distilling and condensing bit rather evaporation vs condensation.

So is the weight issue the only reason for not to using a big alembic head with a significantly smaller flask? Or are there other potential problems as well?

I am asking this because I have repeatedly heard by now that the Alembic should be as big as possible (regarding both its volume and its mouth).

However, some of the ancient drawings do show a fairly small helmet on top of a rather voluminous apparatus.
 

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Not any other issues that im aware of.
 
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JDP - Or anyone else who wants to respond. Have been following with interest several of the threads on this site and only recently applied and was accepted into the forum. I purchased the alembic distillation setup from Mountain Home Biological posted above because I think it could be made to work, but it is not the ideal system that I had searched for. The items arrived in great shape in only a few days. I accidentally dropped the bend adapter and it shattered, so had to purchase a replacement which also was quickly shipped and arrived in great shape. My problem is that I have never worked with such an apparatus or any such glassware for that matter, and the pics do not show how the clamps go together on the reverse side. Also, I have read numerous books regarding the Great Work but none have adequately covered the aspect of actually finalizing the product. The concept is easy enough to understand after one grasps the differences in ancient wording and meanings as opposed to today's definitions which in some cases are really quite different, such as male and female mercury. So here I sit perhaps in the final stage but despite unique inspiration do not know how to go forward. With this apparatus there is the bottom heated flask with top larger flask, and the side flask. Assuming we are able to construct the apparatus using several more hands than I have, what material actually diverts into the side flask - is it the white residue in slightly liquid purified state? Is it necessary to add a suction to the bend adapter to facilitate such diversion? It seems to me as I recall that none of the ancient pics used a three chamber flask system. Then too, I wonder how long to run this solution within, after experimenting with the temperature - do I just run it until all the liquid is gone in the heating flask?

My final product was both begun and later settled by accident. During a group of mining, edible-leach solution experiments I had run low on containers so decided to empty and clean several older ones. When I opened the 4th container it was a very colorful peacock and I had been reading about alchemy for several years, sort of as a hobby. I quickly closed the container and then reviewed my notes as to what was originally included, then decided this was possible that I had somehow brought this to an early stage of the first major stone stage. Unfortunately this solution was contained in a roundish "plastic" container but I proceeded anyway. I ran this for several months in the 100 degree F and kept it sealed, eventually increasing temps slightly until I could go no more before the plastic would start to melt. After multiple color changes etc., I came to the conclusion that this was completed as far as it could be until I could transfer it to borosilicate glass. It had gone through things I had never before witnessed nor expected, including a strange copulation that seemed to go on for a very long time, several months. At that point, I did not have a further apparatus to try to move this all into. I simply transferred this volume into a clean, new, quart jar in which it completely just fit, and forgot about it or nearly gave up on it. It then sat on a shelf for several years looking like a solid grayish black liquid. One day I entered this small building for a tool and glanced at the jar, noticing that it was beginning to settle and separate. After a few more months, there was the pure black material, about an inch on the very bottom, around a half inch of yellowish white buttery substance above the black, and the liquid above that is a sweaty pinkish red tint. It seems that I should carefully try to remove the liquid and buttery substance and place them into the alembic system, probably in thirds as that volume would then approximately coincide with 1/4 the volume of the heating chamber. I want to run this to the end as an experiment, just to see what happens. If it fails, then I will start over with original elements rather than what is there. As it sits now, the original complex ore that was being tested contained many things, any or all of which could have residue within the existing resulting contents. I do think that the black matter settled on the bottom is fecal waste, but the other two items, the stable buttery yellow white and the volatile liquid seem to be identical to detailed descriptions of the final major stage, just prior to the purification by alembic distillation.

Anyone who is able to instruct me on putting together and operating this apparatus, and going forward with this experiment, I would appreciate your input. Overall this has been going on for around ten years, and while exciting at times, it has also been slow.
 

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Please excuse my naivety as I am learning still at nearly 70. I welcome anyone who wants to respond. Have been following with interest several of the threads on this site and only recently applied and was accepted into the forum. I purchased the inexpensive alembic distillation setup from Mountain Home Biological posted above because I think it could be made to work, but it is not the ideal system that I had searched for. The items arrived in great shape in only a few days. I accidentally dropped the bend adapter and it shattered, so had to purchase a replacement which also was quickly shipped and arrived in great shape. My problem is that I have never worked with such an apparatus or any such glassware for that matter, and the pics do not show how the clamps go together on the reverse side. Also, I have read numerous books regarding the Great Work but none have adequately covered the aspect of actually finalizing the product in a fashion I can understand. The concept is easy enough to understand after one grasps the differences in ancient wording and meanings as opposed to today's definitions which in some cases are really quite different, such as male and female mercury, etc. So here I sit perhaps in the beginning of the final stage but despite unique inspiration do not know how to go forward. With this apparatus there is the bottom heated flask with top larger flask, and the side flask. Assuming we are able to construct the apparatus using several more hands than I have, what material actually diverts into the side flask - is it the white residue in slightly liquid purified state? Is it necessary to add a suction to the bend adapter to facilitate such diversion? It seems to me as I recall that none of the ancient pics used a three chamber flask system, but I could be wrong? Then too, I wonder how long to run this solution within, after experimenting with the temperature - do I just run it until all the liquid is gone in the heating flask?

My final product was both begun and later settled by accident. During a group of mining, edible-leach, solution experiments, I had run low on containers so decided to empty and clean several older ones that had been sitting around for several years. When I opened the 4th container it was a very colorful peacock and I had been reading about alchemy for several years, sort of as a hobby. I quickly closed the container and then reviewed my notes as to what was originally included, then decided this was possible that I had somehow brought this to an early stage of the first major stone stage. Unfortunately this solution was contained in a roundish "plastic" container but I proceeded anyway. I ran this for several months in the 100 degree F and kept it sealed, eventually increasing temps slightly until I could go no more before the plastic would start to melt. After multiple color changes etc., I came to the conclusion that this was completed as far as it could be until I could transfer it to borosilicate glass. It had gone through things I had never before witnessed nor expected, including a strange putrefaction and copulation that seemed to go on for a very long time, several months. At that point, I did not have a further apparatus to try to move this all into. I simply transferred this volume into a clean, new, quart jar in which it completely just fit, and forgot about it or nearly gave up on it. It then sat on a shelf for several years looking like a solid grayish black liquid. One day I entered this small building for a tool and glanced at the jar, noticing that it was beginning to settle and separate. After a few more months, there was the pure black material, about an inch on the very bottom, around a half inch of yellowish white buttery substance above the black, and the liquid above that is a sweaty pinkish red tint. It seems that I should carefully try to remove the liquid and buttery substance and place them into the alembic system, probably in thirds as that volume would then approximately coincide with 1/4 the volume of the heating chamber. I want to run this to the end on each third, as an experiment, just to see what happens. If it fails, then I will start over with original elements as I understand them rather than what is now there. As it sits now, the original complex ore that was originally being tested contained many things, any or all of which could have residue within the existing resulting contents. I do think that the black matter settled on the bottom is fecal waste, but the other two items, the stable buttery yellow white and the volatile liquid seem to be identical to detailed descriptions of the final major stage, just prior to the purification by alembic distillation which hopefully will also remove any undesirables.

Anyone who is able to instruct me on putting together and operating this apparatus, and going forward with this experiment, I would appreciate your input. Overall this has been going on for around ten years, and while exciting at times, it has also been slow. As a Vietnam Veteran, I am primarily interested in the health aspects but all and all this is the most amazing project I have ever come upon.
 

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SpiritWalker;

When I read your post a few days ago I just said to myself "This is too much" and not in a derogatory manner but your post has lots of details.
The experiment clearly is important to you; and you have had varied swings up down this way and that way and it has
winded up with some interesting (to you) results.

Unfortunately this solution was contained in a roundish "plastic" container but I proceeded anyway. I ran this for several months in the 100 degree F and kept it sealed, eventually increasing temps slightly until I could go no more before the plastic would start to melt.
Personally the fact that you digested "it" in plastic at moderate heats would make me want to scrap it from the perspective of a medicine, by all means you can keep operating upon it forever but my personal opinion would be that I would never trust the substance for ingestion.

With that being said, I am no emperor over natures laws or divine will so maybe you can do whatever you would like with this very personally attuned substance you have developed; I just do not recommend it.

I do think your idea of separating the yellow buttery substance and the liquid pink/red and distilling through your alembic is a good idea.
Maybe you could also calcine the black substance and see what results.

The questions about your apparatus.. I am not sure. I use a very basic distillation train with one receiver at a time. Generally rely on temperature to separate out a subject.
In your case I would just straight distill the pink/red on a medium heat- probably less than boiling, unless it resists this than do a regular distillation.
For the yellow butter, you could try to distill it but expect to use a lot of heat to drive it over. If you have a retort you should use this.

Maybe the three could be combined in some manner? My suspicion is that if you can reach a finished product (red power/stone/glass/crystals) you should be able to merge it with gold for metal transmutations.
As it sits now, the original complex ore that was originally being tested contained many things, any or all of which could have residue within the existing resulting contents.
You did start in the mineral realm after all.

Maybe someone else here has more experience in this realm.

I would hazard from ingesting any!

Good luck, keep us updated!
 
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Jimmy Rig: Appreciate your candid remarks. Naturally if I am lucky enough to bring this forward, I would first test the results on plants and then perhaps mice or small animals, prior to anything else. My primary question is how to connect the various glass components of the system and operate it. More specifically do I need to connect a vacuum on the Bend Adaptor and if so, what then comes out of that? It just seems that all the older texts regarding this process, did not have a three chamber apparatus, but perhaps this newer system is better. I pretty much agree with your heat assessment and did learn to moderate and strengthen it during the first stage. Going with the nature aspects, even though this first effort was somewhat crude, I assumed it to be at least as good as the apparatus's that might have been used a thousand or couple thousand years ago. I was reluctant to merely pour this into another vessel at that time, because it may have already been in a somewhat live state and I did not want to lose that until the first stage was complete. I have received what I would call special insights that all indicate I should proceed further but like all things, I could be wrong.

Hopefully the distillation(s) will eventually purify the resulting substance(s), but I must first figure out how to take the next few steps. The buttery substance could be the early stage of white powder. I recall reading about someone (R. Bachon?) who took that same looking thing and purified it by repeatedly washing of it in vinegar in a mortar and pestle until the blackness was completely gone, but I can't figure out how to wash a somewhat liquid substance in another liquid, and then end up with a semi-solid cleaned substance. I am tempted to simply take 1/3 of the pinkish liquid mixed with 1/3 of the buttery substance and mix them prior to placing them into alembic distillation, and if that works then do that one or two more times. Most texts I have read instruct us to get rid of the black, like flushing a toilet. I have read many reference works but I also have a on/off memory deficit from having temporarily died a couple times so I guess we all have our crosses to carry. Having been there, twice, I have no qualms about going back, so whatever happens, happens. It's just that I can't help but think there is a reason I am still here, and have tested that as well, so will continue to seek out things that have more or less fallen into my lap.
 

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