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[Andro]

The work has also been cited as one of the top two books by Cyliani for the Opus Magnum.

Hey, are you saying that Recreations has been cited by Cyliani? Or authored by Cyliani? What is the other "top" book? Hermes Unveiled? Naturweg? A different one? Also, this gives a whole new look on shitposting

 

[oxymoron]

Bernard Husson, a friend of Eugène Canseliet (Fulcanelli's disciple), who introduced the book Hermetic Recreations, said:


Cyliani's autobiography, which is a real confession, teaches us that he spent a large part of his life reading “almost all the alchemy treatises published before him”. However, of these immense readings, he quotes only two works, whose authors he holds in particular esteem, to the point, he tells us, of incorporating several passages from their writings in the text of Hermes unveiled . We can imagine the interest offered by these two works for the “lover of science” who wants to carefully scrutinize the message “dedicated to posterity” by the only adept who made himself known in the West in the 19th century.

However, the latter does not indicate either the author's name, even if, as it happens, reduced to an initial, an acronym or a pseudonym, nor the title of the two texts he mentions, confining himself to declaring that one is a treatise "printed in Leipsick in 1732", and the other, "a small manuscript found behind a cupboard" by a couple of friends, fond of alchemy, in the first years of the 19th century. He adds that this manuscript reveals the entire operational process, with the exception of matter, fire and the labors of Hercules. It is also these three points which Cyliani, at the end of his preface, leaves the care of disclosing “to God alone”.

Under these conditions, there is no track allowing a direct and selective research of these two texts, and the investigator is reduced to a patient and exhaustive confrontation of the practice of Hermes unveiled with all the previous alchemical treatises, printed or manuscripts, that he will be able to consult, until really flagrant similarities allow him to recognize the two sources whose approach Cyliani seems to have maliciously concealed, so great is the imprecision with which he indicates them.

Indeed, the patient and continual exploration to which we have devoted ourselves for more than ten years, through the sum, still imperfectly inventoried, of European alchemical writings, both printed and unpublished, scattered in Europe, by attaching ourselves especially to those of the XVIIth and XVIIIth centuries, enabled us to note that, until further notice, no alchemical treatise had been printed in Leipzick in 1732.

However, this erroneous indication constitutes a valid element for the identification of this print, which appeared without the author's name, and for the first time only in 1751, in Amsterdam (2). It is, moreover, mentioned by the principal bibliographers.

On the other hand, the other source, which plays a much more important role in the drafting of Hermès unveiled had remained unpublished and completely unknown until now. We have set out, in our work, the reasons which lead us to believe that a copy of this manuscript “found behind a cupboard” was found, under the title Récréations Hermétiques, in a folio in the Library of the Museum of Natural History in Paris, and we have reproduced the text, following Hermès unveiled.

Source: https://www.alchemy-texts.com/book/the-main-source-of-hermes-unveiled/

 

[Andro]

Thanks.

no alchemical treatise had been printed in Leipzick in 1732

Possibly an error due to a typo. ICH's "Naturweg" was printed in Leipzig in 1782, and has basically the same operational sequence as Cyliani's "Hermes Unveiled" and the anonymous "Hermetic Recreations".

 

[Illen A. Cluf]

Possibly an error due to a typo. ICH's "Naturweg" was printed in Leipzig in 1782, and has basically the same operational sequence as Cyliani's "Hermes Unveiled" and the anonymous "Hermetic Recreations".

Yes, we reported in the Introduction of our book that the handwritten "3" was likely an "8" and misread. There is a great similarity between Wahrer alter Naturweg (1782) and Hermes Devoile (1832). The essay by John Palmer ("Zadkiel"), in The Familiar Astrologer, is also very similar.

 

[LeoRetilus]

After reading "Les Récréations Hermétiques avec leurs Scholies" in French, which is preserved in the manuscript collection of the Muséum d’Histoire Naturelle in Paris and first introduced by Bernard Husson friend of Eugène Canseliet, Fulcanelli’s most devoted pupil. The work has also been cited as one of the top two books by Cyliani for the Opus Magnum.

Through my analysis, I found Leo’s proposition plausible: feces may indeed be the Prima Materia.

1. While it remains challenging to determine whether the author was vague or speaking in allegorical terms, based on the style of his writing, it seems the author suggests that the Prima Materia originates from the Animal Realm.
This is because, when the author intends to divulge a fact, he is generally clear and direct in his expression.

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2. This is further supported by the citation from Bruno de Lansac in the book, which explicitly states that the Prima Materia is neither Mineral nor Vegetal, and in its Raw Form, it offers no Benefits.

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Other than that and from the text in the Scholies section of the images, we can extract the following key points that align with the idea of water being a reference to suc gastrique (gastric juice) and digestive processes, and clay to feces at the end of the oak tree process, thus supporting the hypothesis that the author is referring to this as a source of Prima Materia (PM):

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1st Scholium
Everything was water from the beginning: the Universe and everything it contains emerged from the Waters.

2nd Scholium
Water is composed of various principles; if this were not the case, it would not undergo fermentation or putrefaction.

3rd Scholium
Fermented, rotten, and dried Water forms a sludge that can be called Dry Water.
This Sludge, this Dry Water, is the clay from which the Colossus of the world was formed.

5th Scholium
Clay is a thick, gray, and heavy Earth from which Bricks are made.

6th Scholium
Alcalescence, and not fat, forms its thickness and makes it soapy.

7th Scholium
This is what makes it mixable with greasy bodies, but not intimately: at the slightest warmth, the fat separates.

8th Scholium
Clay is not formally an Alkali; but it has a quality close to its nature. It serves as an intermediary.

9th Scholium
It often changes into chalk or lime, but imperfectly, retaining more or less its original form.

10th Scholium
Yellow, red, green, and other soils are extracted from it.

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The recurring metaphors of water, fermentation, and clay align with the processes in the stomach, suggesting that gastric juice (water) and the resulting feces (clay) could be viewed as representations of the Prima Materia (PM) in alchemical terms. Just as alchemists transform base materials into something greater, digestion transforms food into the building blocks of life.

The Eastern practice of Mo Pai and Nei Kung like Tai Chi involve a certain kind of breathing, in through the nose and waterfall out of the mouth but air is not directed into the lungs but into the Dan Tien, the gut! It is your second brain, billions of cyanobacteria that fix nitrogen , our nitrogen, from the air! Also following the Indian pranic tradition of amrit drip, when breathing in through the nose in such a way that causes the bone directly above the soft palate of the upper nasal passage causes it to flutter and pushes on a gland directly above that produces cerebral spinal fluid to be excreted. It drains down the spine and is filtered through the kidneys and ends up in the urine! Especially after a good rest delta wave sleep.

This is why we use both feces and urine, one carries philosophers nitrogen in the clay of the wise and urine carries CSF , and here we have finally explained what is going on in the Mutus Liber! The two chis, or serpents United, the is still a hidden and occult practice that I will not reveal here but it takes astral Spirit from the earths galvanic currents as the schollies speak of but up the spine and into the sacrum, hence the sacerdotal practice! The stone is more powerful when kept and carried in the true vessel, the mine of man.....but what do I know right ? Black? I only know that I know nothing, what of the affairs of man when they finally perish, existence will continue.

I would like to know something though... which of you care of the actual life that lives in the metals? It is life! And should be respected and honored. It is not a "transmutation" - it is life! I've organizes matter through Spiritus Mundi and Astral Spirit to completion and perfection and what do talking monkeys want to do with it? Melt it down, cast it and spend it??? 😳😠🤬

Consciousness and intellect should be developed and expanded first and then you might begin to see the true purpose and magistry in our art and science, for in the end the only physical matter that will remain will be a living gold and this is what Paul saw in his dream of revelations. And as for man, The true Adam, Christ or Buddhist consciousness a physical form but as an Elohim, full of siddhis!

 

[Pilgrim]

I would like to know something though ...which of you care of the actual life that lives in the metals? It is life ! And should be respected and honored. It is not a "transmutation" it is life!I've organizes matter through Spiritus Mundi and Astral Spirit to completion and perfection and want do talking monkeys want to do with it? Melt it down ,cast it and spend it??? 😳😠🤬 Consciousness and intellect should be developed and expanded first and then you might begin to see the true purpose and magistry in our art and science, for in the end the only physical matter that will remain will be a living gold and this is what Paul saw in his dream of revelations. And as for man, The true Adam, Christ or Buddist consciousness a physical form but as an Elohim, full of siddhis !

I have often wondered the same thing. Alchemy involves the manipulation of life, of living things, life force. However . . . when we look at nature around us, EVERY LIVING THING is in some way consuming other living things in order to survive. We ALL need that essential source, that life energy. Birds eat worms and grubs. Some fish eat plankton, bigger fish eat little fish. In Africa, large cats eat all manner of other living animals. So do dogs, wolves, foxes and so on. Humans eat cows, sheep, pigs, chickens and so on. It's just the way that nature is set up here on this planet. The only way that would ever change is if a concentrated source of life energy were made available to every living thing on Earth. Essentially going back to Eden. Rivers of life energy.

I take you moralistic point though. Any life taken should be respected. The life force is not a toy and not something to be frittered on silly material wealth. Alchemy is transformation, of the self, a willingness to essentially die, to cast off the old mold and become something new. Not something to take lightly imo.

 

[oxymoron]

The Eastern practice of Mo Pai and Nei Kung like Tai Chi involve a certain kind of breathing, in through the nose and waterfall out of the mouth but air is not directed into the lungs but into the Dan Tien, the gut! It is your second brain, billions of cyanobacteria that fix nitrogen , our nitrogen, from the air! Also following the Indian pranic tradition of amrit drip, when breathing in through the nose in such a way that causes the bone directly above the soft palate of the upper nasal passage causes it to flutter and pushes on a gland directly above that produces cerebral spinal fluid to be excreted. It drains down the spine and is filtered through the kidneys and ends up in the urine! Especially after a good rest delta wave sleep.

This is why we use both feces and urine, one carries philosophers nitrogen in the clay of the wise and urine carries CSF , and here we have finally explained what is going on in the Mutus Liber! The two chis, or serpents United, the is still a hidden and occult practice that I will not reveal here but it takes astral Spirit from the earths galvanic currents as the schollies speak of but up the spine and into the sacrum, hence the sacerdotal practice! The stone is more powerful when kept and carried in the true vessel, the mine of man.....but what do I know right ? Black? I only know that I know nothing, what of the affairs of man when they finally perish, existence will continue.

I would like to know something though... which of you care of the actual life that lives in the metals? It is life! And should be respected and honored. It is not a "transmutation" - it is life! I've organizes matter through Spiritus Mundi and Astral Spirit to completion and perfection and what do talking monkeys want to do with it? Melt it down, cast it and spend it??? 😳😠🤬

Consciousness and intellect should be developed and expanded first and then you might begin to see the true purpose and magistry in our art and science, for in the end the only physical matter that will remain will be a living gold and this is what Paul saw in his dream of revelations. And as for man, The true Adam, Christ or Buddhist consciousness a physical form but as an Elohim, full of siddhis!

Leo, you’re very wise and indeed this is what i’m starting to suspect as well; maybe even the fire and the astral spirit we extract from the moon, which is a reflection of the sun means (the light, Kether in this context) is allegoric and in the practical work everything is extracted from own body, as mentioned here in the scholias:

12e La double action de l'Esprit aérien et de l'esprit minéral opèrent ces diverses mutations. L'Esprit Astral, aérien et universel introduit dans ce sujet, suivant sa pureté, lui donne une forme plus ou moins noble.

14e La pierre, le marbre, les sels, les Cristaux et les Minéraux tirent leur origine de cette Terre.

15e L'Argile est la matrice naturelle et première du monde entier : l'Esprit astral en est la semence

16e L'Esprit astral est sans équivoque la lumière du Soleil et des astres dont l'air et les deux sont remplis.

17e Dans notre système terrestre, le soleil est le père de cet esprit, la Lune en est la mère.

18e La Lune est dite la mère de l'Esprit astral, parce que sa Lumière vivifiante tire sa source du Soleil.

19e Cependant tous les astres y joignant leur lumière, son véritable nom est l'Esprit universel.

20e Il faut que cet esprit qui est un feu, soit dissout par un autre feu, et devienne Eau.

21e On recueille cet Esprit dans la grande mer des sages qui est l'air, par le moyen d'un acier magique qui est d'une même nature. Le feu central renfermé dans tous les corps est un acier magique.

23e Ce mot magique vous fait voir que ce n’est point un véritable acier, mais qu’on ne l’appelle ainsi que par comparaison.

24e Tous les corps qui ont vie attirent l’air pour leur nourriture. Le règne animal est celui où cette attraction se fait le plus visiblement.

25e Aussitôt que l’esprit astral est attiré, il est réduit en eau dont les sages font leur feu secret.

26e Quoique tous les temps soient propres à cette attraction, le printemps est la saison la plus convenable, ensuite l’automne.

27e A ces deux époques, la Nature se régénère, et l’air est plus chargé de cet esprit vital.

28e La Lune étant la mère de cet esprit, ce n’est que quand elle luit qu’elle nous le donne.

29e Par conséquent, plus sa lumière est grande, plus cet esprit est abondant.

30e La Terre est ronde, et son mouvement est d’occident en orient. L’esprit repoussé vers les Pôles par ce mouvement, et ne trouvant son repos que vers le Nord, il s’y réfugie.

32e Le Nord étant sa patrie, c’est dans cette région de l’atmosphère qu’on doit en faire la récolte.

33e Aussitôt que le Soleil paraît sur l’horizon, il chasse l’esprit, il faut cesser le travail.

34e Esaü vendit à Jacob son droit d’aînesse pour un plat de lentilles, il faut diviser ainsi sa terre.

35e Il faut faire pleuvoir sur cette terre la rosée du ciel, c’est-à-dire l’esprit, et qu’elle en soit imbibée.

36e Que la terre ne soit ni trop abreuvée, ni pas assez, mais qu’elle demeure mouillée.

37e Ce que la terre peut contenir d’humidité, est le poids de nature. La terre qui contient est le vase.

38e Il ne faut rendre l’eau à la terre qu’après sa parfaite dessiccation.

40e Mouiller et dessécher, composent le jour naturel. Chaque humectation est appelée cohobation, et chaque dessiccation distillation. A chaque imbibition, le feu central retient du feu Secret la portion spirituelle, le flegme se dissipe entièrement.

42e Ou plutôt l’acide et l’Alcali ne conjugent pour ne plus se séparer, à cause de la conformité de leur Nature.

43e Tant que l’Alcali domine, dure le règne de sécheresse : mais l’acide prédominant à son tour fait régner l’humidité. La prédomination de l’acide entraîne la dissolution du corps, et amène la fermentation.

45e Cette fermentation n’est qu’un combat entre l’acide et l’alcali pendant lequel ils se tuent l’un l’autre.

Feces is considered the prima materia, yet it is essential to add urine because it serves as the only medium to collect the secretions from the pineal gland through the cerebrospinal fluid (CSF), infusing quintessence into our work to begin the grand oeuvre.

The sun represents the Kether, and the moon, our living body, reflecting the sun.

This suggests that the success or failure of this alchemical operation may hinge on whether the astral spirit is present in the urine or not.

To effectively extract this spirit, one might find valuable techniques within the scholia of hermetic recreations. Through breathing, we use the fire to collect the fire, and our fire is in the air.

This concept also aligns with the journey of Nicholas Flamel and addresses the previously debunked notion of the North, as discussed in 'Recreation Hermetique.' This reference to the North, likely pertaining to the Great Bear (Ursa Major), implies only the timeframe which is the opposite of midi= Night and that the collection must be done during the night. It is believed that the spiritus mundi should be collected before it disappears at dawn. Therefore, it is crucial to collect it within these specific timeframes.

Dans le Midi de la France, le travail peut être commencé au mois de mars et repris en septembre ; mais à Paris et dans le reste du royaume, ce n’est au plus tôt qu’en avril qu’on peut le commencer, et la seconde sève est si faible que ce serait perdre son temps que de s’en occuper en automne.
Il faut savoir maintenant que l’influence astrale se fait préférablement sentir vers le Nord ; que c’est vers le Nord que se tourne constamment l’aiguille aimantée, et que c’est aussi vers le Nord que les fluides électrique, galvanique et magnétique portent tous leurs efforts : c’est donc aussi vers cette région que vous tournerez votre appareil, car l’expérience a prouvé que de tout autre côté vous ne trouveriez point cet Esprit.
Il faut aussi que le ciel soit pur et qu’il n’y ait point de vent autre que la fraîcheur agitée de la nuit, car sans cela on n’obtiendrait qu’un Esprit très faible et incapable d’action.
On peut commencer le travail aussitôt que le Soleil est couché, et le continuer toute la nuit, mais il faut le cesser lorsqu’il se lève, car sa lumière disperse l’Esprit, et on ne recueille plus qu’un flegme inutile et nuisible.
Les Philosophes ont tenu jusqu’ici ces choses très secrètes ; ils n’en ont parlé que fort obscurément, et toujours sous le voile de l’allégorie, mais d’Espagnet, le Cosmopolite et quelques autres ont fait des descriptions ingénieuses de la saison de printemps.
Nicolas Flamel, pour désigner la région du Nord, a feint un voyage à Saint-Jacques de Compostelle, d’où il est revenu avec un médecin juif converti qui, après lui avoir enseigné les plus grandes particularités de l’Œuvre, mourut à Orléans où il fit enterrer à Sainte-Croix : on voit au ciel la Voie Lactée qui court du midi vers le Nord où elle forme deux branches dont la direction est variable en raison du mouvement de la terre, et dont la boussole suit la variation. Cette voie lactée est appelée vulgairement le Chemin de Saint-Jacques, parce que les pèlerins la désignent ainsi, et qu’elle leur sert de guide pendant la nuit pour leur grand voyage ; elle est aussi le guide du Philosophe hermétique, qui la reconnaît dans le Midi où elle prend sa source, et la suit vers le Nord où est son embouchure. Le médecin juif converti est le Mercure qu’il trouve sur sa route, et qui comme on le sait, révèle tous les secrets de l’Art, quand on en est possesseur. Flamel le désigne comme médecin, parce qu’il purge les métaux de leur lèpre et qu’il est vraiment une médecine. Il en fait un juif converti, parce que la Lumière prend sa source en Orient et qu’il en fait un juste emploi. Enfin, il le fait mourir à Orléans et enterrer à Sainte-Croix pour annoncer sa fixation : ce que la Croix marquant les quatre points cardinaux de l’atmosphère montre plus positivement. C’est donc un mensonge de l’auteur du livre ayant pour titre Hermippus Redivivus tendant à accréditer son système imbécile, que la citation qu’il a faite du prétendu voyage de Flamel, et qu’il ose appuyer de la relation qui lui en fut faite par deux Adeptes se disant ses amis et affirmant sa longue existence.

Please Leo, let me know if I'm on the right path, or if I'm interpreting this too allegorically.

 

[black]

The stone is more powerful when kept and carried in the true vessel, the mine of man.....but what do I know right ? Black?

Yes Leo .... the human body is the greatest vessel to hold and Multiply the Stone.

But it must be fed with Alchemic Tinctures that are ever increasing in Frequency to be able to continually Evolve up the Alchemic Ladder.

There has been talk on this thread about using feces and urine to obtain the Stone.

Quintessence (the Divine Spark of Light and the Life Fore) is most precious to the human body and will not be discarded with bodily waste products.

There is no SM (Secret Solvent, the Agent, Alkahest, the Dragon, etc) or Quintessence in feces or urine .... But urine or feces can be used to obtain SM (Spiritus Mundi).

The SM (Spiritus Mundi) can then be used to Extract a Universal Quintessence from any of the three realms.

I personally would never work this Process with the feces / urine as it is voluminous, time consuming and most convoluted .... but I feel obliged to say that it is possible to get results.

 

[Pilgrim]

I personally would never work this Process with the feces / urine as it is voluminous, time consuming and most convoluted .... but I feel obliged to say that it is possible to get results.

It is noticable that you always try to dissuade people from using faeces/urine in their work, whatever work they are doing. Why is that I wonder?

Is it possible to produce any kind of useful medicine using faeces/urine?

If so, what kind of medicine? What kind of benefits ?

 

[black]

It is noticable that you always try to dissuade people from using faeces/urine in their work, whatever work they are doing. Why is that I wonder?

The main reasons are what I previously posted, being the large amounts required, the time it takes to work those voluminous amounts of material and the many processes that are required to obtain a small result.

What could take someone many months to a year for a result .... I can get in a few hours.

Is it possible to produce any kind of useful medicine using faeces/urine?

If so, what kind of medicine? What kind of benefits ?

I will only comment on Alchemic work with feces/urine .... with this it is possible to get a Secret Solvent and with this the Primary Alchemic Process can be Worked through to completion of the Universal Quintessence (the Foundation Stone of Alchemy)

If an Alchemist has the Universal Quintessence he/she can use that for a Medicine .... or with it the Alchemist can then Extract many different Particular Quintessence's (for Specific medicines to treat specific ailments) from the plant realm.

 

[Pilgrim]

The main reasons are what I previously posted, being the large amounts required, the time it takes to work those voluminous amounts of material and the many processes that are required to obtain a small result.

What could take someone many months to a year for a result .... I can get in a few hours.

Aren't you making the assumption there that YOUR aims are the same as THEIR aims? How do you know what those posters are working the faeces/urine for? What result they are looking for?

I will only comment on Alchemic work with feces/urine

Why? Isn't there valid work to be done that is not "Alchemic" by your definition?

I ask again, is it possible to produce something beneficial by working faeces/urine that isn't necessarily the Stone or alchemic as you define it?

 

[LeoRetilus]

Yes Leo .... the human body is the greatest vessel to hold and Multiply the Stone.

But it must be fed with Alchemic Tinctures that are ever increasing in Frequency to be able to continually Evolve up the Alchemic Ladder.

There has been talk on this thread about using feces and urine to obtain the Stone.

Quintessence (the Divine Spark of Light and the Life Fore) is most precious to the human body and will not be discarded with bodily waste products.

There is no SM (Secret Solvent, the Agent, Alkahest, the Dragon, etc) or Quintessence in feces or urine .... But urine or feces can be used to obtain SM (Spiritus Mundi).

The SM (Spiritus Mundi) can then be used to Extract a Universal Quintessence from any of the three realms.

I personally would never work this Process with the feces / urine as it is voluminous, time consuming and most convoluted .... but I feel obliged to say that it is possible to get results.

Point blank you are wrong !

 

[LeoRetilus]

Leo, you’re very wise and indeed this is what i’m starting to suspect as well; maybe even the fire and the astral spirit we extract from the moon, which is a reflection of the sun means (the light, Kether in this context) is allegoric and in the practical work everything is extracted from own body, as mentioned here in the scholias:

Feces is considered the prima materia, yet it is essential to add urine because it serves as the only medium to collect the secretions from the pineal gland through the cerebrospinal fluid (CSF), infusing quintessence into our work to begin the grand oeuvre.

The sun represents the Kether, and the moon, our living body, reflecting the sun.

This suggests that the success or failure of this alchemical operation may hinge on whether the astral spirit is present in the urine or not.

To effectively extract this spirit, one might find valuable techniques within the scholia of hermetic recreations. Through breathing, we use the fire to collect the fire, and our fire is in the air.

This concept also aligns with the journey of Nicholas Flamel and addresses the previously debunked notion of the North, as discussed in 'Recreation Hermetique.' This reference to the North, likely pertaining to the Great Bear (Ursa Major), implies only the timeframe which is the opposite of midi= Night and that the collection must be done during the night. It is believed that the spiritus mundi should be collected before it disappears at dawn. Therefore, it is crucial to collect it within these specific timeframes.

Please Leo, let me know if I'm on the right path, or if I'm interpreting this too allegorically.

You are definitely worth the time and effort pm me.

Feces is 60% cyanobacteria by mass, it fixes niter, period! It is considered the magnet of the wise, it is why Esua sold his birthright to Jacob for a bowl of lentil soup! He had cancer! Le til soup like other legume has plenty of cyanobacteria, it why some text say seek the grass that is trefoil, do some research, it's all about niter. Also mosquito fern or azolla! It's us symbotic with cyanobacteria to fix niter for the plant just as your gut is symbotic in fixing niter and the perfection of nature, starting with you own. I myself am ready to move on to bigger and better things. I m like sugar ray, I just wanna fly....

 

[Pilgrim]

The healthy bacteria in probiotic yoghurts comes from human guts/intestines though the manufacturers don't like to advertise that.

 

[LeoRetilus]

This is called the pre work and nothing more, to arrive at an alchemy after 7 to 9 eagles to bend the philosophical Mercury enough out of harmony and unity with the philosophical sulfur, to make it have efficacy to work on philosophical sulfur, the work of the eagles is nothing more but to get it to drop it out, the sulfur as black earth, each time giving it an even greater affinity for the sulfur. Alchemy is like an engine or just another power source to talking monkeys, just another thing in nature that find that naturally specifies unify separates again all to do work under a very real intelligence of nature. You find something out of balance and rides it's currents as it re established equilibrium and harmony and this you call....power! It's plain pathetic!
Alchemy is the life force that organized matter into life and it seems completion and perfection, not an eternity of adaptation !!!! No more! Not any more! Completion and perfection, as hard v hombre said when he made an educated wish, telestai, finished and perfect for today, for tomorrow for yesterday and for all time, perfect in the Perfect Greek Tense! Now those guys were thinkers!

 

[Appleheads]

The Saturnian lead of the Wise is feces, allegorically speaking the Oak tree is symbolic of the mine of the wise of Saturn. From which is taken the clay of the wise which is the PM. The image like the scholia in Hermetic Recreations is directing you to place the matter in clay bowls/plates and or on the grass mat for the 14 nights around the full moon in the spring to absorb astral Spirit from the north, we sit our matter out in this way around every full moon in the spring and once again in the fall, this masonry of the wise takes a period of two years cuz to absorb enough SM and astral Spirit and to lock them in our clay/earth in the form of nitrate salts that will later be cleaned, re-crystalized and purified in the work of the eagles....

Hi Leo, I see what you mean, about feces being the Saturnian Lead of the wise. the patients. I disagree with you on the Astral Spirit. I believe the Astral Spirit is urine. The Agent.

 

[Andro]

Hi Leo, I see what you mean, about feces being the Saturnian Lead of the wise. the patients. I disagree with you on the Astral Spirit. I believe the Astral Spirit is urine. The Agent.

According to some texts, feces contain more "solar" Sulfur and urine/Lunaria contains more "lunar" Sulfur. They both come out of "mines" located close to the base of the spine. Some authors use the allegory of having to travel to "both Indias", i.e. East and West Indies. But this can also mean iron and copper, as sulfates (vitriols) or sulfides. Basil had a few processes with these metals, perhaps from chalcopyrite?

Other authors talk about the Occidental Earth and the Oriental Spring/Stream, which would be more in line with feces and urine. The idea of a Solar Sulfur coming out from where the sun don't shine, is especially entertaining 😉... "Gold cometh from the North", some say...

Either way, regardless of the subject matter or its mine, it must be set to putrefy and be properly "opened" before the alchemical principles can be delivered from it. The upper spirit in the air (Radical Humidity) must act on the lower one in the earth, and only then will the matter deliver the alchemical principles, i.e. the volatile Mercury, the semi-volatile Sulfur and the fixed Salt. All good texts have this in common. Many books are actually quite openly explicit about this, so the "big secret" is no secret at all. It's laid bare for all to read/see. The actual practical "secrets" are more specific to lineages and pertain to various tricks to significantly shorten the duration of the work, as well as working with "ores" of the highest potency and/or "magnets" of the highest capacity. Alchemy is therefore unconstitutional, as not all ores are created equal

Some of the more fixed minerals may have more "fiery" sulfurs, but I can definitely see the benefits of working with our own bodily ores, as they may hold in their fixed, locked & loaded Earths/Sulfurs our own issues that are not yet sublimed/re-solved. There may be a very personal link here. As for the Agent, it is universal and impersonal (not specific to any person), so it may be technically rendered from anywhere. That's how I see it.

 

[LeoRetilus]

According to some texts, feces contain more "solar" Sulfur and urine/Lunaria contains more "lunar" Sulfur. They both come out of "mines" located close to the base of the spine. Some authors use the allegory of having to travel to "both Indias", i.e. East and West Indies. But this can also mean iron and copper, as sulfates (vitriols) or sulfides. Basil had a few processes with these metals, perhaps from chalcopyrite?

Other authors talk about the Occidental Earth and the Oriental Spring/Stream, which would be more in line with feces and urine. The idea of a Solar Sulfur coming out from where the sun don't shine, is especially entertaining 😉... "Gold cometh from the North", some say...

Either way, regardless of the subject matter or its mine, it must be set to putrefy and be properly "opened" before the alchemical principles can be delivered from it. The upper spirit in the air (Radical Humidity) must act on the lower one in the earth, and only then will the matter deliver the alchemical principles, i.e. the volatile Mercury, the semi-volatile Sulfur and the fixed Salt. All good texts have this in common. Many books are actually quite openly explicit about this, so the "big secret" is no secret at all. It's laid bare for all to read/see. The actual practical "secrets" are more specific to lineages and pertain to various tricks to significantly shorten the duration of the work, as well as working with "ores" of the highest potency and/or "magnets" of the highest capacity. Alchemy is therefore unconstitutional, as not all ores are created equal

Some of the more fixed minerals may have more "fiery" sulfurs, but I can definitely see the benefits of working with our own bodily ores, as they may hold in their fixed, locked & loaded Earths/Sulfurs our own issues that are not yet sublimed/re-solved. There may be a very personal link here. As for the Agent, it is universal and impersonal (not specific to any person), so it may be technically rendered from anywhere. That's how I see it.

Putrefaction which goes to prove it's a living thing, did you try for years like I did to get a perfect black and putrefaction from minerals? Ha they aren't alve, those leading to gold are but you will never recognize their life, sadly they are all killed when a mine is opened and metals melted. Yes the matter contains the two Chis or prana of nature After the life is ended it goes to work on itself! That is the action we want. A living life force working not to enliven a living thing but itself, by itself one rung at a time up the ladder of the sages it goes....

 

[Lux Natura]

Putrefaction which goes to prove it's a living thing, did you try for years like I did to get a perfect black and putrefaction from minerals? Ha they aren't alve, those leading to gold are but you will never recognize their life, sadly they are all killed when a mine is opened and metals melted. Yes the matter contains the two Chis or prana of nature After the life is ended it goes to work on itself! That is the action we want. A living life force working not to enliven a living thing but itself, by itself one rung at a time up the ladder of the sages it goes....

Putrefaction works in any circumstance where the material being putrefied is receptive to it - the actual agent initially responsible is everywhere dispersed and invisible (in the air). The concept of it being "alive" is essentially to mean organic chemistry. Although inorganic materials can undergo some changes / evolutions / natural chemical reactions, the organic materials take this a step further because they have access to the types of changes that require life, and all the various interactions that are created by enzymes and cellular processes, which offer more advanced modifications / manipulations on matter than what is available in the inorganic realm. Some inorganic matters can underdo natural processes to a point where they are ready to bridge the gap to the next level, and then we would call them "living".

You can work with an apparent "dead" matter that is really just sleeping, but many (although not all) matters that has been processed past a certain temperature threshold usually loses its ability to easily wake up. There are some matters which are understood to be thoroughly dead, but can become resurrected because that capacity is innate to them. Others require more coaxing.

This innate capacity in some matters ultimately continually kickstarts the process across all matters to varying degrees, so one could say there are some central actors in varying disguises.

 

[LeoRetilus]

Putrefaction works in any circumstance where the material being putrefied is receptive to it - the actual agent initially responsible is everywhere dispersed and invisible (in the air). The concept of it being "alive" is essentially to mean organic chemistry. Although inorganic materials can undergo some changes / evolutions / natural chemical reactions, the organic materials take this a step further because they have access to the types of changes that require life, and all the various interactions that are created by enzymes and cellular processes, which offer more advanced modifications / manipulations on matter than what is available in the inorganic realm. Some inorganic matters can underdo natural processes to a point where they are ready to bridge the gap to the next level, and then we would call them "living".

You can work with an apparent "dead" matter that is really just sleeping, but many (although not all) matters that has been processed past a certain temperature threshold usually loses its ability to easily wake up. There are some matters which are understood to be thoroughly dead, but can become resurrected because that capacity is innate to them. Others require more coaxing.

This innate capacity in some matters ultimately continually kickstarts the process across all matters to varying degrees, so one could say there are some central actors in varying disguises.

More aptly the captured spirit works on the living matter till it's period is up and then forsakes it's body and can't go anywhere else so it begins to elevate it self, and the material get more and more bent or polarized in power. We continue to take advantage of this action throughout the work..