Fulcanelli - Oak...

[solomon levi]

I wanted to start a thread on this topic.
I think I understand Fulcanelli's clues, but they seem to go way out of the way
to express what they're pointing to.

I had always thought the word "Oak" would have a connection, looking in other
etymological links - oak - drus/drys, chene, Quercus, eik, oc...
The answer doesn't lie there really, not in any obvious way.
This sort of revelation doesn't occur until we get to the ram's fleece, and even then
it requires another connection/step.

One is tempted to think of Oak galls, but that is not the way, only that they
produce an ink/dye, but not the dye we're looking for.

I haven't much time, but there's a lot more I'd like to say on this subject

 

[Hephælios]

It may confound the matter more... but it could help some as well. Oak βελανιδιά (belanidia) and its fruit the acorn (βελανίδι belanidi) are ruled by Jupiter... or more aptly Zeus, whose symbol is among other things the oak. The root of the Greek word "oak" is βέλα (bela) and is glossed as ηλιος και αυγη (helios kai auge' - roughly the "rays of sunlight"). βαλανειον (balaneion- bath) from which we derive words such as Balneo Mariae, play an integral role in the operation.

But in order to bathe properly - we must understand with what material it should be done. Often accompanying the oak is either a vine entwined upon its severed branches, a rams skin, or a sword or sharpened instrument. βελονη (beloneh- needle) which is a sharp instrument and pairs well with this line of thought in the cabala. Kriari is one word for ram- but another word for ram is έμβολο (embolo - ram) which has phonetic association with εμβολος (embolos- anything pointed so as to be easily thrust in...). The vine is obvious as acetum or vinegar...and well the sword is sharp... I'll let you draw your own conclusions.

The Iconologia of Cesare Ripa

Soccorso (Succor, help)
An armed man; who has a naked sword in his right hand; and in his left, an oaken branch with the fruit.
Succor has two principal parts: the one helps and assists the other with necessaries to maintain life and assuage hunger; the other resists his enemy by force, to the saving of him whom he helps. Therefore he is painted armed, because he shall help the week and needy against all the force of his enemies. We have loaded him with a branch of acorns, to assist with it in the time of famines; for by the help of this fruit, men in ancient times have maintained themselves. For this fruit is dedicated unto Jupiter, because he assists and succors the whole world: Jupiter being the pure and refined air, by which we breathe and live.

 

[horticult]

Yeaahhh, I almost hate this ubiquitous oak.
I think that somewhere in Dwellings can be deduced /or read/ that it is /also?/ furnace.

 

[Andro]

I've extracted a beautiful red non-volatile oil from oak acorns (you'll notice they're quite resinous to the touch) and it only took a few days...

Before the extraction I had to first brake them open and separate out the worm infested ones... Can't wait to finish extracting the salt and uniting the two...

Can someone please advise me how to upload pictures here?

 

[solomon levi]

Hephaelios,
Thanks. I wasn't aware of those etymological associations.
You've given me something to contemplate.

Again, my time is limited (I'm at a library - my PC isn't working) so I'll try
to hit some salient points.

To me, if i understand the matter correctly, the oak itself has no association
to the name of the initial subject, not etymologically or even symbolically.
But something that is associated with oaks is etymologically associated
with a preparation of the initial subject. So that this thing that grows on the oak
in scales, is precisely similar to the fleece which grows on the ram/lamb.
Fulcanelli tells us of a feast where the lamb is roasted. Well, roasting of the initial
subject produces the oxide (ox-hide = fleece).

F also tells us that the ram and the fleece, or the oak and the fleece, or the coq
and the fox, are the same matter only in different stages - the coq being volatile
and the roasted oxide (fox) being fixed. Slow, gentle roasting is not the only way
to prepare the oxide. If the initial subject is dissolved in an alkaline solution of
potash, it can be precipitated by vinegar into the etymologically related item that
grows on the oak in scales.

I'm giving away a lot (if i am correct), but this item that was shrouded in such
secrecy in the past is written about quite openly today, as Fulcanelli often refers
to the works of Basil Valentine, Philalethes and Flamel.

Cock/coq is also etymologically related to the shell (coquille in french) of St. James
de Compostella. Although the "star-ed com-post" is an even further preparation
of the oxide.

 

[Hephælios]

To me, if i understand the matter correctly, the oak itself has no association to the name of the initial subject, not etymologically or even symbolically.

Correct...at least as I understand it.

 

[Ghislain]

Does that mean the subject is not oak

Ghislain

 

[Salazius]

Something very special can be produced out of oak, for the purpose of the Magnum Opus.

 

[Andro]

Something very special can be produced out of oak, for the purpose of the Magnum Opus.

Do you mean KOH?

 

[horticult]

Oax are everywhere in myths.
Cadmos - should be alchemic.
Somewhere I was hinted, that this oak is not "normal oak" /big tree/, but a species like a shrub.

Fleece was used to catch gold from creeks.

 

[Andro]

Here are the oak acorns before the extraction, followed by their resinous extract and the potash, ready to be united.

This is what inspired me to perform this process, although I've changed a few details and enhanced the project by adding the Salt.

 

[Salazius]

No it's not at all KOH. I will not say what is it, but it can be used for the Opus, I've not made it yet, but I will soon do it.

Very nice work and photos Andro

Here maybe a Golden Fleece ?

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[solomon levi]

Does that mean the subject is not oak

Ghislain

Oh no. It's very clear that the oak is a representation of a mineral subject.

 

[solomon levi]

Here are the oak acorns before the extraction, followed by their resinous extract and the potash, ready to be united.

This is what inspired me to perform this process, although I've changed a few details and enhanced the project by adding the Salt.

I have a really good feeling about what you're working on.

Can i move this to the practical spagyrics section? I hope you'll
keep us updated.

 

[solomon levi]

Somewhere I was hinted, that this oak is not "normal oak" /big tree/, but a species like a shrub.

There is a particular oak shrub that has the name Quercus coccifera.
The non-scientific name of this shrub contains the name of the prepared initial
subject, which also grows as a parasite on many "normal" oak tree species - the
non-shrub type. In old days, people mistook these insects for fruits!

[image link broken]

 

[Andro]

I have a really good feeling about what you're working on.

So have I

Can I move this to the practical spagyrics section?

Absolutely, yes. I only posted it here because the oak came up, but it's better suited for practical spagyrics.

 

[horticult]

[link broken] note "evergreen"

 

[solomon levi]

Geez Horticult!
I can't believe you just post alchemical secrets like that for everyone to see!





I hope it's obvious that I'm joking.
So yes, that's what I think these puzzles are pointing to.
It's no big secret at all nowadays.

If someone out there knows that I'm incorrect, feel free to say so.
There are many more confirmations:
regulus = little king
joining with the sulphur found hidden in mars
the fact that the regulus can be made to reveal a star
and a purple net as modern day scientist who have duplicated Newton's
work have shown - there are photos on the web.

I don't feel I'm exposing anything by giving this little bit.
There are plenty more obstacles and stumbling blocks one will encounter
along the way; especially if you try to follow Fulcanelli. He is discussing
more than one path in his books and everything is jumbled. Sometimes
the 0 tarot trump is represented as a juggler. Is he a fool? Or is he out to
fool you?


And i may stil be incorrect. There may happen to be other, better subjects
that also fit all these requirements???
I read one guy on the net that teaches that cinnabar is the Oak.

The clue that it begins with the letter "G" is so vague when you are listening
to a master of the green language. G can be C, K, S... "G" in what language? French, greek, ...
Maybe Galena also makes a star with iron?? I haven't tried it.
Maybe Antimony only fits the bill so far?? Maybe it is only a fire stone
and not the true stone??
But why would they say when the Alchemist sees the star he rejoices and
knows he's on the right path?

The "slaughter of the innocents" isn't too difficult to figure out if you read Flamel
and then someone more modern like the books written about Newton and George Starkey.
The PON info is helpful as well.

 

[horticult]

Yes, this is not secrect 4 some time.
Grauspießglanz, der

But I am still considering that that antimonit is not Sb2S3, and thats the reason I am interested in that bloody oak...

 

[True Initiate]

I will throw my 2 cent's here.
In the book of Abraham the jew his intepretation of the old oak is Saturn from which you can extract our two lunar water's.Saturn is the oldest in mineral kingdom (and of the seven planet's) just like the oak tree's are the oldest ones in the vegetable kingdom.



"Dear brethren, to give you yet a consolation till then, and to cheer you, have I again drawn a figure in order to impress on you right deeply the secrets. You see an Old hollow Oak-tree standing in a garden around which is twisted a rose bush with red roses, which has gilt leaves. Underneath from the stem of the tree runs a Lunar white Water.

There are some who not far from this have hoed and digged, but found nothing; except those who by the way, who contemplated the weight. Dear brethren the old tree is our black and heavy rocky lumps of our Albaon (Saturn).

You must strike this rock, till it gives Water, as you have already previously with all circumstances been instructed and taught. For the Lunar white Water, which flows underneath from the tree, is our Phyton Columba Dianae, which is heavy. That however the tree bears red rose with gilt leaves, such signified the Blood of the Old One, which must be drawn out of such visibly, as the Blood of the Lion, or our secret.

That it however flows underneath out of the tree signifies a Lunar white Water, which should be prepared from the root of such a thing, so that in all parts of its nature it shall be Kin to the Sol and Luna, and that it may be also easily made firm and stable.

If you should lose all writings, then you should only depict those Figures, or draw such for you children, so will they, as others who are of a good understanding. Easily understand such, for one dares only to speak with few words, what concerns the Mysteria, come to the help of it.

Dear brethren, in order that I however suppress nothing which could serve for your advantage, so mark what wonders the Ancients have accomplished, when they have taken the Phytonis or our Gluten Aquilae, that you might yet better understand, our Columbam Dianae, and with such have also gone to work.

They have taken this as it ascended from the Old One; and have caused it to fly over the mountain, i.e., over the Alembic, for 7 times, so has it become brilliant, but in thus doing it the Basilis Kischer way (Figure 23). "

Plate V --- So you get from our old Oak tree (Old One) the White and Red, make therefrom a water and observe the Weights.

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I know for sure that this is true and i have seen these water's with my bare eyes!

 

[horticult]

There are some who not far from this have hoed and digged, but found nothing; except those who by the way, who contemplated the weight.

This IMHO notable sentence I read in several languages, each meaning was different, so we need the original.

Also once upon a time, as the offspring of saturn was considered antimonite and Truth and some others.

These remarx occurred 2 me b4 I read True Puffer´s final sentence...

So you are ready 2 confirm these waters

&

that this is The Way?

 

[Hephælios]

[image link broken]

Concerning this image, I would note the 14 trees that flank the side of the hollow oak. What this gives away is the timing of when certain elements appear. Fourteen days is often called a fortnight, and should give some clue as to when this element is found... no it won't be found fourteen days into the process, rather fourteen days after a certain sign appears.

One more for the road...
Latin:
ilex, ilicis, n
declension: 3, gender: F
1. holm-oak, great scarlet oak, tree or wood
2. its acorn

 

[Rebus7]

I guess I have been looking at references to the oak, the acorn, the golden fleece, etc., as more direct and even graphically literal symbols.
Fulcanelli writes much of cabala as a form of slang language or cant, so that, for example, the oak is in the wood. The unicorn is found in the deep wood. Man has a wood. A ‘woodie’ is slang in many languages. 2 streams flow from the base of the oak. Look at an acorn. What does it look like the head of.
Everywhere there are sharp things. Swords, lances, horns, nails. So we know that the spirit must be sharpened by the secret fire.
The golden fleece is nailed to the oak tree. I swear when you evaporate GW off in a large open container, that is exactly what you see foaming up big time. Only my interpretation.

 

[LeoRetilus]

IMHO all this OAK imagery is pointing to many individual things but they are all actually one matter in that they all contain what it is we are actually after ,and that is the sap of the oak tree. We see references to scale insects(red roses) that grow on the branches and leaves, we see references to lichens(rams fleece) that grows on its bark, we see references to truffles(rocks) which grow in it roots, all these parascites have something in common, they are all feed on the liquid or lunar milk of the oak, "its blood", and so if we "strike " or "roast" them till they give up their water, we have the Lunar PM or blood of the Green Lion. This would explain why we can also ash(burn) the oak and recover this sap in the form of a salt (potassium carbonate).

 

[LeoRetilus]

Here are the oak acorns before the extraction, followed by their resinous extract and the potash, ready to be united.

This is what inspired me to perform this process, although I've changed a few details and enhanced the project by adding the Salt.

I find it highy "synchronistic", that I made my post and then later clicked on your link above to find to my surprise that someone before me had come to the same conclusion. From your link: Jean Dubuis- "One day when I was looking at the front page of the book of the Alchemist Urbigerus, the image presenting the "spring of life" issuing from the trunk of an oak provided a revelation -- It is not the mistletoe that heals, but the vital energies of the oak, accumulated by the mistletoe as a parasite of this tree. Thus:

Making the Elixir

If the vital energies that heal come from the oak, these are abundant in the fruits, in the seeds of the tree."

Thus the adepts, while some of them are pointing to the vital energies of the oak directly,(The Splendor Solis has a plate with a crown around the Oak Tree) others use it as a symbolic representation of an actual path to the Stone.