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Founding Alchemical Studies or a Fraternity in Australia

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So; i dont really have too many "Brothers in the Art" per se; because other than this public forum there are no groups i am a part of whatsoever.

So i was thinking of slowly and carefully designing a fraternity order; with other prospective members, and creating a mini hermetic society with clear intentions of truth and growth; much like what the freemasons used to be but without all the hype and rituals.

I was thinking of giving myself a name something like:
Grand Master epic Chief of awesomeness and Guardian of the Treasuries of Light.

Then we have Mega Grand Chancellor Mr.Black; Key Bearer of the Astral Star Portal and Holder of the Lantern.

Ultimate Supreme Shhhmuldvich, Archmage of Illumination and Keeper of the Records.

See how cool it would be!!! :cool:
 

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I used to have this Masonic friend and we talked about establishing the Green Lodge.

It would basically be a Masonic Lodge kind of thing, but based on ecology, self-sustained mentality, plants and nature i.e. Green Lodge.

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much like what the freemasons used to be but without all the hype and rituals.

Grand Master epic Chief of awesomeness and Guardian of the Treasuries of Light. Mega Grand Chancellor; Key Bearer of the Astral Star Portal and Holder of the Lantern.

Ultimate Supreme Archmage of Illumination and Keeper of the Records.

Without the hype eh?
 

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I think the titles should be derogatory and the higher you climb the worse it gets... only to keep you humble as you succeed.

Level one: Moronic Masonic Apprentice
Level two: Guardian of Dumb Cunts
Level three: Regal Retard

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Yes i was hoping that this would be a "lodge" that focused on education (to cure ignorance) and self-sustaining knowledges such as power and medicine and how to clean your own water and basically all-in-all i want an apocalyptic prepararuom group thats trying to hit enlightenment but also working on a backup plan incase the world goes to hell before we make it to spiritual bliss.

Okay i lied; there will be heaps of hype. Im doing the gold rings thing. I think its better than a membership card
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This sounds fun. Elixirmixer I liked your video. You're very funny. :)
 

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I think the titles should be derogatory and the higher you climb the worse it gets... only to keep you humble as you succeed.

Level one: Moronic Masonic Apprentice
Level two: Guardian of Dumb Cunts
Level three: Regal Retard

:p

this is gold
 

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Can I get a raising of hands who would be interested in joining an Australian guild of alchemists?

The goal would be a collaborative effort, to produce some great medicine, provide online courses, set up a bit of a stockroom to get alchemical supplies bulk/cheap and all-in-all, help each you other to perform practical alchemy.

We are going to do a 'kick start me' financial backing project to get us off the ground.

Those that get involved will be permenant life-time members of the committee. I've aimed to leave it somewhat unrefined at the moment so that the other members can have their input and help form this society in their own way.
 
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Are you in Australia Seraphim?
 

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Can I get a raising of hands who would be interested in joining an Australian guild of alchemists?

The goal would be a collaborative effort, to produce some great medicine, provide online courses, set up a bit of a stockroom to get alchemical supplies bulk/cheap and all-in-all, help each you other to perform practical alchemy.

We are going to do a 'kick start me' financial backing project to get us off the ground.

Those that get involved will be permenant life-time members of the committee. I've aimed to leave it somewhat unrefined at the moment so that the other members can have their input and help form this society in their own way.

Hey Mr. Mixer

I'm not knocking the idea ....

BUT ...

Who knows how to make some "Great Medicine" ?

Who is knowledgeable enough to write the "Online Courses" ?

Who has the Understanding of what "Alchemical Supplies" to purchase ?

A "Financial Backing" sounds great ... but what would it be used for ?

In the past there have been teaching courses here in Australia.

Frater Albertus for several years and then some of his students
continued his work. Some that come to mind are Arthur Fehres,
Alec Gathercole and the Paracelsus College run by Jeannie Radcliffe
and Rick Danenberg.
The Paracelsus College is still running courses and to my knowledge
students travel from all parts of the world for these teachings.

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I like the idea, and will donate when the Kickstarter gets going.
 

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Argh... just wrote a big reply and lost it before I could send it by a slip lot of of the finger....

From the Top! I have looked into the college of Paracellcus before, I found it to be just a guide into spagyrics, and I found the staff to basically never reply to my emails and all in all thought it was a bit of a shitty set-up. (I could of course be wrong, nevertheless, that's how I feel.)

The guild will revolve around practical Alchemy, which, by definition is work using the Secret solvent, the aqua ardens , the Vegetable Mercury, which, by definition, is to be considered to be Philosophical Wine, Philosopical Vinegar, the circulated Quintessence.

After running down every single rabbit whole that's ever come to mind aka , the organics, piss, blood ect... The minerals, Calcutta, gypsum, the purist path, dry distillation and on and on the whirlpool of shit goes, I've come full circle and I choose to believe that the secret solvent is most best described and made using the methods off Ripley, lull, hollandus ect.. and I believe that I have cracked their code, most indefinitely. Soon to be but to the trial by fire.

I should clarify, I do not want to 'sell courses per-say. I want members to join, with a yearly fee, and that member has full access to what the group of is doing, including instructions of making the solvent, and also cost price on the bulk materials that is purchased by the group.

I suppose the proof will be in the pudding. I do intend to demonstrate to all prospective members, the secret solvent, it's applications and proofs, before they sign up to a yearly membership. Once members they will have access to the materials and knowledge to create the solvent themselves.

Mowing certainly no authority in Alchemy and I'm sure we'll eventually get a member who like so many of the forum, has a deep understanding of the historical and theological backgrounds of alchemy, and I would gladly accept their help in structuring any classes or teachings. As far as setting up labs go, I think its well known how many labs, how much money blown, and how many mistakes I've made, the perfect person to advise 'What not to do' when beginning an alchemical laboratory.

I would like to invest $2500 of the group's funding into the Kupe Open-source Lathe. A glassworking lathe build, where we can create as many pelicans as we need. Pelicans are very expensive to buy, but only because glassblowers love charging big bucks on custom glassware. It would be nice to have a place in Australia that was equipped to make them affordably.

So basically, I am setting up a laboratory/workshop. All members get cost price (+running costs) on everything. The benefit for me of course, is that I ALSO get cost price on bulk arranged alchemical gear, and considering how much I fuckin spend on it as it is, that's a big saving for me.

So.....

Let me start again......

Who would be willing to try and help, and participate/work/invest towards an Alchemical Guild in Australia, if I can PROVE that I can make the Philosophical Vegetable Mercury.

The true Secret Solvent would be The Vegetable Mercury AFTER it has been sharpened to work in the mineral realm, that's not What I hope to achieve. I want a basic, but true, Philosophical Vinegar that can be circulated with any herb to produce a true Philosophical Quintessense and create the Alchemical Vegetable Stone.

The Vegetable Mercury can then be sharpened by the individual practitioners using mineral salts and circulation, which of course they will be able to do, because we will be manufacturing pelicans.

So the money will go to:

Raw materials required to produce Philosophical Wine.
Lathe build.
Glass blowing Set-up.
Facility and Administraion costs.

I am willing to donate my time for free, up to the point where the entire project is complete. If it turns out that after the lab is established, that I am just making stuff for everyone else who may be abroad, then I may charge a menial sum, of say, $10/per hr, for my time blowing glass, and making Vegetable Mercury, for all the other members. Of course, other members will be more than welcome at any time to come and visit and join the centre and spend as much time using the facilities and earning their $10/hr (added to the price of the goods purchased) to practise the greatest occupation in the world.

The goal, is to make Alchemy accessible.

What fuckin good is Alchemy do I g for The world right now? None. It's making a few, select, Philosophical elitists feel superior, because they have the solvent and others don't, to heal themselves and leave everyone else to their sythetically produced misery. The guild will open the very rusty, cobweb ridden doors of alchemy, the the rest of the world, and share openly the ability to practise alchemy, by giving them the knowledge, and the means, in exchange for enough investment to keep the guild running.

I am sick of alchemy being such a secret. It's not helping anyone, and people say "oh God is keeping it a secret" but I think that's bullshit. God didn't light a candle, to stick it under a basket. Men stick it under their baskets due to their pride and greed and jealousy.

I'm lighting a candle. And I'm sticking it on the top of a pyramid.
 

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I should clarify, I do not want to 'sell courses per-say. I want members to join, with a yearly fee, and that member has full access to what the group of is doing, including instructions of making the solvent, and also cost price on the bulk materials that is purchased by the group.

I suppose the proof will be in the pudding. I do intend to demonstrate to all prospective members, the secret solvent, it's applications and proofs, before they sign up to a yearly membership. Once members they will have access to the materials and knowledge to create the solvent themselves.
This is selling the solvent dressed up without having the solvent. Who are you to allow access to it for a fee ?.
You can't sell universal medicine or the knowledge of it under any guise. Its an oxymoron.

Philosophical elitists feel superior, because they have the solvent and others don't, to heal themselves and leave everyone else to their sythetically produced misery. The guild will open the very rusty, cobweb ridden doors of alchemy, the the rest of the world, and share openly the ability to practise alchemy, by giving them the knowledge, and the means, in exchange for enough investment to keep the guild running.
Investment for knowledge of the solvent cultivates elitists feeling superior and not sharing knowledge unless others sign up and invest in the guild.
This is echoed in all the institutions you seem too hate.

I am sick of alchemy being such a secret. It's not helping anyone, and people say "oh God is keeping it a secret" but I think that's bullshit.
Then don't charge people for access and knowledge to the solvent.

Saying you will share knowledge of solvent for investment, then saying you don't like alchemy being a secret is a contradiction.

I like the community idea but not the solvent stuff. If you don't want to share that's fine but if you do, don't make people pay for it under any set up.
Its a slap in the face to the spirit of the art.
 

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There are operational costs to everything. It costs money to blow glass. It costs money to heat things. It costs money to supply ingredients. It costs money to rent a space. Do you want me to donate all of my money to people who may not even appreciate what I'm offering? Shall I save heal the masses by building a windmill?

What else do you buy? Your water? Your food? Your shelter? The clothes on your back?

So you're happy to pay for all these things, but for world class secret medicines you want it all for free?

The idea of the collaborative is to make it cheaper for everyone. If I wanted to make a nice profit then why don't I just set it up myself, pay shopify $40 a month and then charge top dollar for the secret solvent? That's a lot easier then collaboration, it's also more profitable. Probably would happen faster aswell because I wouldn't have to waste my time trying to pep everyone up to try and help people like a always find myself doing to no avail.

You're right Kibric. I should just skip the bullshit, do it myself, make the medicine available to people and feed my kids at the same time.

Do you work? Do you put your time in, in exchange for dollars? Or do you squat and breathe and soak in the sun for nutrients? Get real. We trade our time and labour, for currency in which we make exchanges... I didn't say that I'm opening fuckin utopia, I said I'm opening a lab.
 

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After running down every single rabbit whole that's ever come to mind aka , the organics, piss, blood ect... The minerals, Calcutta, gypsum, the purist path, dry distillation and on and on the whirlpool of shit goes, I've come full circle and I choose to believe that the secret solvent is most best described and made using the methods off Ripley, lull, hollandus ect..

and I believe that I have cracked their code, most indefinitely.

Soon to be put to the trial by fire.

If you have "cracked their code" then I believe this to be a Divine Revelation
Gifted to you and because of this you would definitely be able to help, guide
and teach others IMHO.

A bona fide Adept would be so much better than the many pseudo alchemy book and course sellers that are out there now. Unfortunately some of them do believe what
they are peddling to be true and correct.

And so very unfortunate for those that follow and end up being even further from the Truth then when they started.

Wishing you success with "The Secret Solvent" and "The Trial by Fire".
 

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It costs money to blow glass. It costs money to heat things. It costs money to supply ingredients. It costs money to rent a space. Do you want me to donate all of my money to people who may not even appreciate what I'm offering?
All of those things can be funded by people who believe in your lab without the need to promise knowledge on the secret solvent or access too it from investment.
Putting knowledge behind a paywall is not collaboration. Your saying invest in this and get access to my hidden knowledge.
You don't need the hidden knowledge part to attract investment. People believe in you they will help without the need for you to promise things.
Then a decent man you might choose to share your secrets out generosity to a few or tell everyone without reward.

So you're happy to pay for all these things, but for world class secret medicines you want it all for free?
For a universal medicine yes. By its very nature and every true adept of the art, yes yes yes.

We trade our time and labour, for currency in which we make exchanges
Yes but the solvent is not a commodity. Your labour to uncover secrets and make the solvent doesn't make you a gatekeeper for it.
Imagine if penicillin was treated as you treat the secret solvent. For most labour/teaching/time yes an exchange, for universal medicine
a gift. A universal thing cannot be owned it can be given. It the highly curative properties of the solvent that makes it different from
any other work or labour. A vaccine for everything should never be for financial exchange no matter how good hearted the enterprise.

I didn't mean to upset you.
 

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Can I get a raising of hands who would be interested in joining an Australian guild of alchemists

If you build they will come.

Sometimes it's hard to make others see "your" vision. This makes it harder for you, but if you can't find any parterns do it anyway.

:p
 

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If you build they will come.
Peter Thiel doesn't agree with this statement :) (Zero to One). As much as developers would love for their amazing products to "sell themselves", dedicated sales efforts still seem to be required in the majority of cases (according to Thiel). But ElixirMixer, you go ahead and build it anyway!
 

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I'm not trying to make a profit on the Solvent. First I'll make it, which, due to the heavy stress of beginning uni soon may take some time, and if my musings over the last 15 years have any worth, you'll know, because I will indeed build it, in celebration of my success.

I put this in the networking tab, because I am a social person. And things are more interesting when there are more people involved. I don't mean for the set-up to seem like a retail outlet. What I'm saying is, come and join, but pay your own way because alchemy is expensive and I'm not a charity.

The knowledge is free to those who participate. However, it is not freely given to the masses. Not be me or anyone else. I would give it to people who are serious about making it for themselves and using it to cure disease.

However it is for good reason that many people have written about alchemy making you poor and destitute. Because, it is expensive. Making the solvent is expensive, at least if you want to do it properly, of a high quality anyway.

The text that refer to a woman's work and child's play and a single curcurbit ect.. that make it sound easy, that anyone can do it, I believe these text are referring to AFTER you have the solvent and matter to be worked on. Because then it is just a rinse and repeat type action. But it's with good reason we see alchemy laboratories dressed with distillation equipment. And many distillation need to be performed to create the real deal. Followed by extended circulations in pelican, which is also a considerable waiting time.

Also, people find happiness from building careers from doing things they love. I'm in a pretty bad financial state, mainly dude to my scientific/alchemical endeavours and would love to be practising alchemy full time. I don't think I should have to work for free for the greater good, when everyone else is all on a pay packet and my children get a shit education or other neglections, do you?

Yes it's a nice ideal to think we could all eat, stone and be merry on the back of our ancestors Labour's, which truly we should be able to do, unfortunately there are some very powerful and scummy vampires around who are sucking the world dry to the point where I can hardly take a shit without getting charged for it.

I hope you can see the point I'm trying to make. It's a currency driven society, I don't agree with it very much, but it's a sad truth we have to live with at this time.

The good news is now I read these text and they are as clear as day, which it was never like that before which makes me think that I've cracked the code. Because what before was a maze of intensive twisty lab processes and metaphors, now just seems like one relatively simple process, while quite involved, it's do-able becausemessing around in this art for as long as I have have given me the skill set needed to attempt this work.

So if anyone believes in EM's Lab, feel free to just float cash this way as you fancy without any promise of reward :rolleyes:(rolls eyes).

I'm in the mood to keep going about how stubborn and childish the Alchemical community is at large, and how I cannot for the life of me understand why people still keep their knowledge under lock and key. ....but I've said it all before... And every day the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer....

I'll make sure Kibric, that I will give out the Universal Medicine for free. Just not the recipe ;)
 

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Thiel does not apply to this so I would not take his advice. Thiel is not an artist, not a creator. Thiel is a vampire. A venture capitalist. Basically a useless human being. IMO.

:p
 

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Thiel is a vampire. A venture capitalist. Basically a useless human being. IMO
Apparently not completely useless, especially if we look at the top left corner of every page on this site :)

Speaking of which...

feel free to just float cash this way
Have you set up an account to receive funds for your foundation? Possibly even a website to explain what you're doing and where the money is going?
 

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Alchemy is both a secret and also not a secret. The "game" is designed like it is for a reason, to cause shifts in perception, recognize patterns, search for and discover inner fire and desire within one's self, and likewise, within the lab. You cant and wont do more than what has already been done in times past. That isnt a bad thing. The community isnt bad for often times recognizing that though, and playing the game.
Kibric has already pointed out the hypocrisy of the claim, and it suffices to make the point: you are what you distain about the community. Change yourself before attempting the world.

Awani is also correct. Do you know why this place has survived where so many others have not - even others that may have had higher quality (by volume and content) of practical lab work on them? Because those were built with the principles and idea of what your talking about. They wanted to break the mold while also being the mold. AF has been different because it was always an open-ended labor of love. Nothing expected, everything given.

You wanna take care of your kids - do what puts money in the bank and food on the table. You wanna also pursue the deep mysteries of Nature and God and make medicines? Do it, for the love of doing it.
Not all that you do can be about the currency, or you will burn out and ruin what your heart craves. Its how things get profaned. There are ways for things to crossover, but the mindset and intent is going to determine if it spoils and rots or not.

Cost of living, cost of the Art, these things are common to all of us here. You've received a lot of good advice in this thread so far. Meditate on it, and go forth.

As for me, well, im on the otherside of the world. Lol
But I wish you luck, however you decide to pursue such. :)


~Seth-Ra