Flat Earth & Alternative Space Models

[Pilgrim]

How can I see CHICAGO,USA from BUFFALO, USA? except from a flat earth model?

Because the distance between Chicago and Buffalo is just 502 miles whereas the circumference of the planet is approx 25,000 miles.
It's a matter of scale.

Here are 2 lines:

1. -------------------------------------

2. -------------------------------------


One is a straight flat line, the other is a section of a circle.

They appear exactly the same because we are looking at a tiny tiny section of the circle whose real scale is massive.
If you can't get your head around the fact that line 2 is an arc of a circle then there's little of worth than can be discussed.

We live in an era where we have super telescopes like Hubble and the Large Binocular Telescope (LBT) in Arizona pictured below:



Back in 2008, LBT, along with a space-based telescope, successfully discovered a distant galaxy cluster designated as 2XMM J083026+524133, located about 6 billion light-years away from the Earth.

Now if the Earth were flat then any one of these super powered telescopes which tend to sit high up on mountain tops, would have been able to take a picture of some very far off place to prove that the Earth was flat. For example, the distance from Califormia to Australia is about 8,000 miles. There's only ocean standing between them.

Why then can't you take a picture of Australia from a California observatory when these telescopes can see objects 100s of light years away in space?

 

[Awani]

I have no hard feeling's to y'all. You have not had the blessing and privileges I have had.

I do not feel the same. I actually have little respect for those that deny the clear evidence of a spherical world. It's been debunked numerous times.

We don't have to admit anything. I do not believe in any USA propaganda. Clearly you do, because flat earth is nothing more than a CIA psyop to keep society distracted with retarded shit.

The dumbest shit with flat earth theory is the fact they debunk spherical earth claiming images are fake, yet in the same paragraph they use images from the same sources where they claim evidence. It's like pre-school level reasearch. Forget the scientific and mathematical evidence, the fact the entire world has managed to keep this "secret" is totally unbelievable and illogical... and for what reason... When they give a reason why it should be a secret we enter David Icke territory and at that point you might as well imagine anything you want to.

But being wrong is hard to admit... I will be the first to admit I was wrong if I see evidence. So far all the evidence I have been presented with is completely pathetic.

Frankly if I was a flat earther, I'd be embarrassed.

 

[Pilgrim]

As a litttle side issue to this I have a question of my own.

We've all seen Sci-fi movies and NASA clips that show that when you're out in space and open a door of a spacecraft, that everything rushes out due to the vaccuum of space. Basically pressure differences between inside and outside.

So if the vaccuum of space is so powerful then how does anything on Earth not just get sucked out into space?

The answer is of course because of the huge mass of the planet and the subsequent gravitational force that it produces.

So everything stays on Earth due to that gravitational pull which must be greater than the pull of the vaccuum of space.

All well and good for say the dirt and rocks and animals and people.

But what about the thin airy layers of our atmosphere?

How do those layers manage to stay afloat up in the air above us?

Why aren't all those particles pulled to Earth like everything else?
Or conversely why are they not sucked out into space?

They seem to be caught in some kind of special in-between balance which seems rather incredible

 

[Awani]

Flat Eartherts would say gravity is not real and a psyop. Guess they’ve never used a magnet

It is clearly a divine algorithm.

The atmosphere exists because Earth’s gravity is just right—not too weak to let it all drift away (like on the Moon), and not so strong that it crushes everything into a thin layer (like on a denser planet). The layers—like the troposphere, stratosphere, and beyond—are shaped by this balance of gravity, pressure, and temperature. They thin out gradually with altitude (air density drops by about half every 5.5 kilometers), but they don’t vanish entirely until you’re well into space. - source: Grok

 

[Appleheads]

Because the distance between Chicago and Buffalo is just 502 miles whereas the circumference of the planet is approx 25,000 miles.
It's a matter of scale.

Here are 2 lines:

1. -------------------------------------

2. -------------------------------------


One is a straight flat line, the other is a section of a circle.

They appear exactly the same because we are looking at a tiny tiny section of the circle whose real scale is massive.
If you can't get your head around the fact that line 2 is an arc of a circle then there's little of worth than can be discussed.

We live in an era where we have super telescopes like Hubble and the Large Binocular Telescope (LBT) in Arizona pictured below:

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Back in 2008, LBT, along with a space-based telescope, successfully discovered a distant galaxy cluster designated as 2XMM J083026+524133, located about 6 billion light-years away from the Earth.

Now if the Earth were flat then any one of these super powered telescopes which tend to sit high up on mountain tops, would have been able to take a picture of some very far off place to prove that the Earth was flat. For example, the distance from Califormia to Australia is about 8,000 miles. There's only ocean standing between them.

Why then can't you take a picture of Australia from a California observatory when these telescopes can see objects 100s of light years away in space?

line one and two, are both parallel and straight. I want to be on what your on that must be some good shit!


To calculate the curvature here is a simple graph and equation.

Earth Curvature Calculator - Calculate the curve you should see

Accurately calculate the curvature on the ball Earth. Uses a cosine function, works for all distances in both kilometers and miles. Open source on Github.

earthcurvature.com

31.7861 miles = 167830.39 feet so what you are suggesting is that even though I can clearly see chicago from buffalo, it also has mysteriously dropped 31.7 miles down? The height of the curve is 31.7 miles? It should not be visible from the horizon. Yet there it is. Maybe the sky scrapers are that tall.

Awani, for your flight path picture. The program will say yes we have non stop flights, but when you actually click and try to order a ticket, there are non available, ever, you can check everyday and there are no flights. They always stop in central america or LA or such. A link would be sweet.
Why would a plane fly to Santiago from Buenos Aires Airport if we were trying to get west into Australia? When the plane could fly west and boom be there.


Bought you some tickets guys, hehehe

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Why not just fly straight there. As for space I think the only people who are able to get out use either saucers or some kind of plasma tech like Otis Carr's Utron.

Flightradar24.com is a good tool to see the flight patterns.

I know its hard to let go of long held beliefs. Logic wins in the end. I want to be on a ball earth. Really I do. All I ever wanted to do is go to space.

Then I found out they faked the moon landing, with the help of one of my fav directors. FUCK it sucks.

I am not going to change your mind. You have to do the research your self. Get a telescope and actually look at the bodies, they are not solid for sure.

 

[Appleheads]

bodies just look at it. I don't know about the whole water above thing, I am more inclined with the nested firmaments idea. If you think that's dumb you should see this guy, you'll love to hate it.

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[Awani]

Now the moon landing is another matter. That is plausible to be fake. Not saying I think it was or wasn't. I'm open to either.

I have a telescope.

We're inside a "dream", but in this dream the world is a sphere.

 

[Awani]

Why would a plane fly to Santiago from Buenos Aires Airport if we were trying to get west into Australia? When the plane could fly west and boom be there.

Santiago is on the way westward. If you want to fly straight there, that's the way. Not sure I understand the issue?

 

[Awani]

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A lot of time and a lot of weed.

 

[Appleheads]

Santiago is on the way westward. If you want to fly straight there, that's the way. Not sure I understand the issue?

Santiago yes is slightly westward but thousands of miles north. why not go from Buenos Aires to Auckland? Can't be done because the way the earth is laid out the southernmost point of south america, and the southern point of africa and australia are more like points on a triangle.

A lot of time and a lot of weed.

lol

 

[Andro]

It is what we expect it to be. So-called "objective" observations are directly derived from our a-priori convictions and our means/methods of inquiry. E.g. the "begging the question" fallacy. It's all good.

 

[Awani]

These six equations show it's a globe spinning. The universe is an algorithm, thus it is all math... and vibrations (music... which is also math). Enjoy whatever daydream you like... the math doesn't care about anyones feelings.



If you want to look deeper:

1 - Coriolis Effect and Angular Velocity
2 - Gravitational Uniformity
3 - Spherical Trigonometry and Navigation
4 - Earth’s Shadow on the Moon
5 - Curvature and Horizon Distance
6 - Orbital and GPS Evidence

Math is pure objectivity: 2 + 2 equals 4, regardless of beliefs or methods. When applied to the Earth - through equations like the ones above for horizon distance or for orbits - the results match reality consistently, not because of assumptions, but because numbers don’t bend to human bias. The Earth’s sphericity isn’t a conviction; it’s a fact carved in the unforgiving stone of arithmetic.

Denial of this equals the same logic - in my opinion - as presented by those objectivity-deniers that claim a man can be a woman or that there are no biological differences between men and women or that sex with children isn't rape if love is involved... and so on and so forth.

I’m amazed someone can look deeply into this theory and conclude it’s flat. The reason I know there is zero bias on my part is because I don’t care if it is flat. Same reason how I know Musk didn’t do a Sieg Heil. I wanted him to do one, and he did not. My bias has in both cases failed to convince me.

 

[Pilgrim]

line one and two, are both parallel and straight. I want to be on what your on that must be some good shit!

There you go. You proved me right. You don't understand scale.

There is no such thing as a circle in reality. All so-called circles are just illusions created when we can no longer see the individual parts that make up the shape. Like pixels. The pixels are there but at some point your sight can't see them and can only see the approximate shape created by them. Like this, here's a so-called circle:



But if we zoom into the top of it what we have is this:






Hence if I only show you that very top part it appears to be a straight line, which it is. At that point you can't distinguish a real straight line from a very small arc or section of a circle. Which you proved above when you asserted that there were 2 straight lines.

This stuff is pretty fundamental. Scale is important. The Earth is so huge that no matter where you stand on it's surface, you're always going to standing on what is effectively a straight line to you.

 

[Pilgrim]

I can clearly see chicago from buffalo,

Would you like to post up a photo of what you see? 502 miles is a very long way. There's no way I could see anything 502 miles away on a flat surface. I'm calling BS on your statement.

 

[Pilgrim]

Then I found out they faked the moon landing, with the help of one of my fav directors.

Yep, different topic and no argument from me there. Anyone who checks the photos and other material HAS to come to the conclusion that for whatever reason, NASA covered something up and faked footage. Whether they actually landed on the moon or not is actually entirely inconsequential to this. The fact that it was necessary to fake footage at all means there was something that they didn't want us to see. We should be more concerned about what that was rather than whether anyone set foot on the moon.

 

[Awani]

Many wedding photos are put through editing software, doesn’t mean the wedding didn’t happen.

 

[Pilgrim]

Many wedding photos are put through editing software, doesn’t mean the wedding didn’t happen.

Yep. As I said, the existance of numerous faked studio photos doesn't mean they didn't go to the moon. It DOES however mean they had a need to fake those shots. That's what should be the focus of any analysis.

I have 7-8 key photos that demonstrate this. For example:



The huge force of the module thrusters appear not to have moved a single spec of the moon's surface in this photo. That's an impossibility.

Then there's this, 2 photos supposedly taken in different locations but the background hill lines clearly show it's the exact same studio set. The lunar module is in one but not the other.




and then this one where the crosshairs of the camera appear behind the white object which again would be impossible:




It is what it is. There must have been a reason why these photos were made.

 

[Awani]

As I said before, a fake landing not impossible to consider. I like to think they did go… but facts don’t care about that if the facts come out. It’s way more of an open story than flat earth IMO.

 

[Appleheads]

Pilgrim, Awani, Thank you! I am going to refine the maths and in 3 months come back to this topic! I sure hope you are correct.

 

[Andro]

Interesting take:

 

[Awani]

The distraction is pretty much dead. Anyone who clings to it might as well believe in Santa.

 

[Triune One]

is there a longer version of that video in what is said to be Antarctica?
(found it -

)

 

[ArgentSeeker]

It was brought up only once seriously, and replied to once seriously (from what I read), but the question remains:

If the shape/size of the Earth is different from what is presently pushed in the modern world, what are the material ways it effects the alchemical processes? There are discussions of the micro-planet Vulcan, as a for example, and that is supposed to rotate around the sun every day, and because of its proximity to the sun, it's difficult to detect. I've read in some places that Vulcan effects certain processes, as do other movements of the planets. We had one user on the forum say he exposed his matter to an eclipse, and that it caused it to blacken. Still others say that the black sun is the origin of alchemical influence, and that it's projection, or a confluence, of different celestial bodies.

All that having been commented on, what does it matter, how does it effect/affect the work?

 

[Kiorionis]

What creates the Black Sun?

 

[ArgentSeeker]

The Astrological Black Sun

According to Dubois, it's a confluence between two planets/celestial bodies. See attached. Some people also said Saturn was the black, or old, sun, but there's not a lot of information about that, at least that I've found. There's a website that talks about the blood cult of the current set of international criminals that work behind the scenes and that talks about "old sun", but I don't know to what extent that is accurate information, or how it even applies to alchemy. There's been other literature about how Saturn is responsible for the "in and out" breath of the SM, but again, this is part of a larger conflicting body of knowledge.