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beautifully spoken friend.

That resonates with me perfectly.

What is calcination? What is dissolution?
 

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I shall release my interpretation of the various stages of the process in my next book. It is too much to write in one post. However, the transformation that I am describing is written in detail in the Nag Hammadi library.
 

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Where in the Nag? I love the nag but haven't read it since before I started alchemy.

Whats your website AS? if you have one...
 

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Its funny, they say "spiritual alchemy" is only a few centuries old, when it is written in texts thousands of years old. The Nag Hammadi library texts are not the oldest concerning this process, but they are clear about it if you know where to look. It is not new age bullcrap about changing your negative thoughts into positive ones, that is not spiritual alchemy..this form of transmutation involves the actual creation of the soul, the vehicle for which the spirit needs to exist in the next phase of existence...the Egyptian book of the dead makes this process clear as well, as death is just the first part of the process..the process cannot be fully completed while in the physical body.
 

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..the process cannot be fully completed while in the physical body.

Not sure about that one....

Give us the goods Archer Sage, where shall we be looking in the Nag?||I know that some of the saying in "The Gospel of Thomas" are very clear indicators that Chirst was teaching His disciples about the inner workings of spiritual man, creating astral bodies ect..... But I wouldnt say its very clear, its more of, you need to know what your reading to be able to read it, kind of situation.

Is there a clearer manual in the Nag?
 

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Give us the goods Archer Sage, where shall we be looking in the Nag?||I know that some of the saying in "The Gospel of Thomas" are very clear indicators that Chirst was teaching His disciples about the inner workings of spiritual man, creating astral bodies ect..... But I wouldnt say its very clear, its more of, you need to know what your reading to be able to read it, kind of situation.

Is there a clearer manual in the Nag?

Yes, plenty.

There are many texts in the valuable Nag Hammadi Library declaring the Universal truths of Alchemy. I was just seeing if ArcherSage was willing to put forth effort into backing up what he said...which clearly he has no intent to do. Allow me.



The Reality Of The Rulers (The Hypostasis of the Archons)
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/Hypostas-Barnstone.html


The Reality Of The Rulers said:
The great angel Eleleth, understanding, spoke to me: “Incorruptibility inhabits limitless realms. Sophia, who is called Pistis,wanted to create something, alone, without her partner, and what she created was celestial.

“A veil exists between the world above and the realms below, and shadow came into being beneath the veil. That shadow became matter, and that shadow was projected apart. And what she had created came to be in matter, like an aborted fetus. It assumed a shape molded out of shadow, and became an arrogant beast resembling a lion. It was androgynous, as I have already said, because it derived from matter.

“Opening his eyes he saw a vast quantity of endless matter, and he turned arrogant, saying, ‘I am god, and there is no one but me.’


Allogenes (The Foreigner)
http://gnosis.org/naghamm/nhlalpha.html


Allogenes said:
And the all-glorious One, Youel, anointed me again and she gave power to me. She said, "Since your instruction has become complete, and you have known the Good that is within you, hear concerning the Triple-Powered One those things that you will guard in great silence and great mystery, because they are not spoken to anyone except those who are worthy, those who are able to hear: nor is it fitting to speak to an uninstructed generation concerning the Universal One that is higher than perfect. But you have <these> because of the Triple-Powered One, the One who exists in blessedness and goodness, the One who is responsible for all these.

"Indeed it is not through me that he is to such a degree anterior to knowledge. Whereas there is no possibility for complete comprehension, he is (nevertheless) known. And this is so because of the third silence of Mentality and the second undivided activity which appeared in the First Thought, that is, the Aeon of Barbelo, together with the Indivisible One of the divisible likenesses and the Triple-Powered-One and the non-substantial Existence."

And I saw holy powers by means of the Luminaries of the virginal male Barbelo telling me that I would be able to test what happens in the world: "O Allogenes, behold your blessedness, how it silently abides, by which you know your proper self and, seeking yourself, withdraw to the Vitality that you will see moving. And although it is impossible for you to stand, fear nothing; but if you wish to stand, withdraw to the Existence, and you will find it standing and at rest after the likeness of the One who is truly at rest and (who) embraces all these silently and inactively. And when you receive a revelation of him by means of a primary revelation of the Unknown One - the One whom if you should know him, be ignorant of him - and you become afraid in that place, withdraw to the rear because of the activities. And when you become perfect in that place, still yourself. And in accordance with the pattern that indwells you, know likewise that it is this way in all such (matters) after this pattern. And do not further dissipate, so that you may be able to stand, and do not desire to be active, lest you fall in any way from the inactivity in you of the Unknown One. Do not know him, for it is impossible; but if by means of an enlightened thought you should know him, be ignorant of him."


The Paraphrase Of Shem
http://gnosis.org/naghamm/para_shem-barnstone.html


The Paraphrase Of Shem said:
"For you did not remember that it is from the firmament that your race has been protected. Elorchaios is the name of the great light, the place from which I have come, the word that has no equal. And the likeness is my honored garment. And Derdekeas is the name of his word in the voice of the light. And Strophaia is the blessed glance, which is the spirit. And Chelkeach is my garment, who has come from the astonishment, who was in the cloud of the hymen that appeared as a cloud with three forms. And Chelkea is my garment that has two forms, he who was in the cloud of silence. And Chelke is my garment that was given him from every region; it was given him in a single form from the greatness, and he was in the cloud of the middle region. And the star of the light that was mentioned is my invincible garment, which I wore in Hades; this, the star of the light, is the mercy that surpasses the thought and the testimony of those who bear witness. And the testimony was mentioned: the first and the last, faith, the mind of the wind of darkness. And Sophaia and Saphaina are in the cloud of those who have been separated from the chaotic fire. And the righteous spark is the cloud of light that has shone in your midst. For in the cloud of light my garment will go down to chaos. But the impure light, a power, appeared in the darkness and belongs to dark nature. And the upper air and the lower air, and the powers and the authorities, the demons and the stars, these possessed a particle of fire and a light from the spirit. And Moluchthas is a wind, for without it nothing is brought forth upon the earth. He has a likeness of a serpent and a unicorn. His protrusions are manifold wings. And the remainder is the womb that has been disturbed.

“You are blessed, Shem, for your race has been protected from the dark wind, which is many-faced. And they will bear witness to the universal testimony and to the impure rubbing of nature. And they will become higher of mind by remembering the light."


Melchizedek
http://gnosis.org/naghamm/melchiz.html


Melchizedek said:
They will say of him that he is unbegotten, though he has been begotten, (that) he does not eat, even though he eats, (that) he does not drink, even though he drinks, (that) he is uncircumcised, though he has been circumcised, (that) he is unfleshly, though he has come in the flesh, (that) he did not come to suffering, though he came to suffering, (that) he did not rise from the dead, though he arose from the dead. But all the tribes and all the peoples will speak the truth who are receiving from you yourself, O Melchizedek, Holy One, High-Priest, the perfect hope and the gifts of life.

When the brethren who belong to the generations of life had said these things, they were taken up to (the regions) above all the heavens.


The Thought Of Norea
http://gnosis.org/naghamm/nore.html


The Thought Of Norea said:
Father of All, Ennoia of the Light, dwelling in the heights above the regions below, Light dwelling in the heights, Voice of Truth, upright Nous, untouchable Logos, and ineffable Voice, incomprehensible Father!

It is Norea who cries out to them. They heard, and they received her into her place forever. They gave it to her in the Father of Nous, Adamas, as well as the voice of the Holy Ones, in order that she might rest in the ineffable Epinoia, in order that she might inherit the first mind which she had received, and that she might rest in the divine Autogenes, and that she too might generate herself, just as she also has inherited the living Logos, and that she might be joined to all of the Imperishable Ones, and speak with the mind of the Father.

And she began to speak with the words of Life, and she remained in the presence of the Exalted One, possessing that which she had received before the world came into being. She has the great mind of the Invisible One, and she gives glory to her Father, and she dwells within those who are within the Pleroma, and she beholds the Pleroma.

There will be days when she will behold the Pleroma, and she will not be in deficiency, for she has the four holy helpers who intercede on her behalf with the Father of the All, Adamas. He it is who is within all of the Adams, possessing the thought of Norea, who speaks concerning the two names which create a single name.


The Prayer Of Thanksgiving
http://gnosis.org/naghamm/prat.html


The Prayer Of Thanksgiving said:
"We give thanks to You! Every soul and heart is lifted up to You, undisturbed name, honored with the name 'God' and praised with the name 'Father', for to everyone and everything (comes) the fatherly kindness and affection and love, and any teaching there may be that is sweet and plain, giving us mind, speech, (and) knowledge: mind, so that we may understand You, speech, so that we may expound You, knowledge, so that we may know You. We rejoice, having been illuminated by Your knowledge. We rejoice because You have shown us Yourself. We rejoice because while we were in (the) body, You have made us divine through Your knowledge."


A Valentinian Exposition
http://gnosis.org/naghamm/valex.html


A Valentinian Exposition said:
I will speak my mystery to those who are mine and to those who will be mine. Moreover it is these who have known him who is, the Father, that is, the Root of the All, the Ineffable One who dwells in the Monad. He dwells alone in silence, and silence is tranquility since, after all, he was a Monad and no one was before him. He dwells in the Dyad and in the Pair, and his Pair is Silence. And he possessed the All dwelling within him. And as for Intention and Persistence, Love and Permanence, they are indeed unbegotten.

...She repented and she besought the Father of the truth, saying, "Granted that I have renounced my consort. Therefore I am beyond confirmation as well. I deserve the things (passions) I suffer. I used to dwell in the Pleroma putting forth the Aeons and bearing fruit with my consort" And she knew what she was and what had become of her.

So they both suffered; they said she laughs since she remained alone and imitated the Uncontainable One, while he said she laughs since she cut herself off from her consort. [...] Indeed Jesus and Sophia revealed the creature. Since, after all, the seeds of Sophia are incomplete and formless, Jesus contrived a creature of this sort and made it of the seeds while Sophia worked with him. For since they are seeds and without form, he descended and brought forth that pleroma of aeons which are in that place, since even the uncreated ones of those Aeons are of the pattern of the Pleroma and the uncontainable Father. The Uncreated One brought forth the pattern of the uncreated, for it is from the uncreated that the Father brings forth into form. But the creature is a shadow of pre-existing things. Moreover, this Jesus created the creature, and he worked from the passions surrounding the seeds. And he separated them from one another, and the better passions he introduced into the spirit and the worse ones into the carnal.


Authoritative Teaching
http://gnosis.org/naghamm/autho.html


Authoritative Teaching said:
From these the invisible soul of righteousness came, being a fellow member, and a fellow body, and a fellow spirit. Whether she is in the descent or is in the Pleroma, she is not separated from them, but they see her and she looks at them in the invisible world.

Secretly her bridegroom fetched it. He presented it to her mouth to make her eat it like food, and he applied the word to her eyes as a medicine to make her see with her mind and perceive her kinsmen and learn about her root, in order that she might cling to her branch from which she had first come forth, in order that she might receive what is hers and renounce matter.

She gave the body to those who had given it to her, and they were ashamed, while the dealers in bodies sat down and wept because they were not able to do any business with that body, nor did they find any (other) merchandise except it. They endured great labors until they had shaped the body of this soul, wishing to strike down the invisible soul. They were therefore ashamed of their work; they suffered the loss of the one for whom they had endured labors. They did not realize that she has an invisible spiritual body, thinking, "We are her shepherd who feeds her." But they did not realize that she knows another way, which is hidden from them. This her true shepherd taught her in knowledge.

But these - the ones who are ignorant - do not seek after God. Nor do they inquire about their dwelling-place, which exists in rest, but they go about in bestiality.

But the rational soul who (also) wearied herself in seeking - she learned about God. She labored with inquiring, enduring distress in the body, wearing out her feet after the evangelists, learning about the Inscrutable One. She found her rising. She came to rest in him who is at rest. She reclined in the bride-chamber. She ate of the banquet for which she had hungered. She partook of the immortal food. She found what she had sought after. She received rest from her labors, while the light that shines forth upon her does not sink. To it belongs the glory and the power and the revelation for ever and ever.

The Treatise On The Resurrection
http://gnosis.org/naghamm/resurrection-barnstone.html


The Treatise On The Resurrection said:
My son Rheginos, some people want to become learned. That is their purpose when they begin to solve unsolved problems. If they succeed, they are proud. But I do not think they have stood in the word of truth. Rather, they seek their own rest, which we have received from our savior and our lord, the Christ. We received rest when we came to know the truth and rested on it.

Since your pleasant question concerns what is the truth about the resurrection, I am writing you today to tell you. Many do not believe in it, but a few find it. So let us see.


The Three Steles Of Seth
http://gnosis.org/naghamm/steles-meyer.html


The Three Steles Of Seth said:
You who made the masculinities
that really are three times male,
who were divided into five,
who were given to us in triple power,
who were conceived without generation,
who came forth from the superior
and for the inferior entered the midst,
you are a parent through a parent,
a word from a command.
We praise you, triple male,
you have unified all through them all,
you have empowered us.
You came into being from One,
from One you left.
You have come to One.

So understand, as those who are alive, that you have succeeded. You have taught yourselves about things infinite. Marvel at the truth within them, and at the revelation.



Need I go on...?
 

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Oh please do... this is just great!!!

I've always loved the Nag, but you have just re-birthed it, spiritually, for me. Thank you Schmuldvich and ArcherSage for bring it up.

The Nag is getting dusted off.... I love this bit:

A veil exists between the world above and the realms below, and shadow came into being beneath the veil. That shadow became matter, and that shadow was projected apart

SM anyone?
 

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Those are just my excerpts I hand selected from the books I have read and had saved in my notebook. Many other books in the Nag Hammadi Library contain gems such as what I posted. Instead of me taking the "joy" out of coming across this firsthand for yourself, why don't you instead post some relevant excerpts you find?! As cliche' as it sounds, discovering these things for yourself is so rewarding. Anyone can condense days of reading & research into a couple of dense paragraphs but nothing compares to seeking, seeking, seeking, and finally finding that one sentence you were looking for!

Most people I have found do not have the patience for this (as is proven time and time again on this forum--arguably the world's largest current public Alchemy message board where it would be assumed the most diligent and studious of Seekers gather) and even less people think they have the time to do this research. But why? Why are you not willing to sacrifice a year (and that's nothing!) of most all pleasure in order to provide yourself with a solid foundation of Alchemical truth? ...It means that much to you, right? Well I tell you what...It sure does for me!!! You post all these posts shunning those in-the-know and begging for tidbits of information to be spoonfed to you but you are not willing to put forth the MONUFUCKINGMENTAL EFFORT it takes to penetrate even a fractionally small percentage of this Art. It is exceptionally hard for me to take people like you seriously (though I know you are sincere in your efforts and intent) that claim such a desire to understand the truths of Alchemy when you are not willing to sacrifice nearly everything you have mentally, physically, and emotionally to attain it. Are you willing to forgo all friendships in order to succeed? Are you willing to forgo food and sleep in order to understand? Are you willing to refrain from any pleasure whatsoever until you penetrate the veil? If you cannot answer yes to these basic simple questions you are most likely not going to get very far...
 

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hehehe... the enigma of ElixirMixer continues....

Yes, I have sacrificed MANY friendships, those not of worth to the cause, in order to progess.

Yes, without trying to be arrogant, I have made most of my progress through intensive fasting periods in the wilderness. Of which, by no showmanship of my own, was in the public media in Australia, because I had 'returned' from an area of Australia, of which apparently no man returns ( I would also like to add, that I had asked many doctors (3) and did some research for how long a man could last for without food and water, and have broken that milestone a number of times.)

Yes, for someone who's main demon was just in repeated exhaustive, unproductive sex, and now am a happily married, devote to one woman Mormon. And have renounced sodomy and the like, for it does not honour my wife. ( I am giving up the pleasures.)

Yeah I give you guys some shit, has it not gotten the brain synapses firing?
Yeah I talk in sometimes an un-eloquent, perhaps even rude manner, but what would be learnt from me if I were just the same as you?
Yeah, sometimes I don't take 'the literature' too seriously, didn't THEY tell you not to be swept away and fooled by in?

I will try to humbly make clear, that while my generation, in my nation, was working out, which football team they liked most, which career they might choose, which university they might attend, which viewpoints most gratified their pride, I, was in my room, studying the Nag Hammadi Library MOSTLY of ALL BOOKS. And continued doing so until I was well segregated from my sociaty, I couldnt have a conversation to anyone because I was so deeply engrossed within Gnostic teachings and practises.

Crying, crying in my room because I knew that I had been blessed of the divine. That they loved me, that they knew my pain, that they knew my heart and my ambition for humanity. That they had heard my prayers for knowledge.

I was a 15 year old boy, Schmuldvich, I was homeless and lost, and yet even then I knew my calling. Find God, find the Truth, Seek it until I had mastered it, and help these poor saps that filled my world, to find the truth they lacked (and that I also lacked)

So pardon me, if I feel like I don't have the time anymore, to read endlessly. 5 good hard years of Gnostic teachings was a fair investment, one that now allows me to progress quite quickly in my Hermetic understandings. And I still sit here, every night, studying you guys now, its far more interesting, as well as studying other Hermetic works, to deepen my understanding of the whole totality, so not to say that I don't study at all, but I just don't get lost into hours of alchemy texts like I used too. (not good for the sanity ;) )

If I knew of someones true intent, I wouldn't sit their and watch them flounder, for what could be many years. I wouldn't act like God, that I knew what was best for their development and that only a tough love approach would bring them to the desired results.

I wouldnt even give a fuck if they were a hermetic, if they had a clean pure desire, provable, to heal others, I'd just give them the stone and wouldn't tell them what it is.

When will be the time of the alchemists good works? When humanity is so far gone that curing cancer would do very little to spurn off the continual slaughter?

Who gives an absolute shit, about my attitude, how I present myself through the forum, how much I challenge your ideals, even for the experienced. I have my place, it is here, it is necessary.

I am not you, nor will I be, but I do appreciate the efforts you have put in toward our collective mission on this forum (whatever that is, sharing, learning ect...)

I am not Andro, nor will I be, but I do appreciate his firm but gentle corrections, the insites he has shared, and they have certainly sped up my progress towards SM. I dont think I would understand the full significance of the male and female counterparts without his sharing.

I am not GL, Salazius, Awani or any other long standing member, I am wouldnt consider any of us, 'more' or 'less' learned. Because where I am shadowed in alchemical understandings, I am in the lead in other places.

I value you guys, and I value myself, just the way I am, whist daily seeking change and growth.

I do not see the advantage of shielding knowledge, I believe it is a lower thought form of the ego. What is the real purpose? So the evil don't get power? Give me a break......

I have put in, my friend, a monumental effort, those efforts have been rewarded in their own right and continue that way.

This is not a hobby, this is not a social playground where i stir the pot. I stir it for its own sake, and I live this because it is a part of my spirit, it has always been there and it will continue with me long after the lust for food water and worldly respect has long been dissolved.

Jesus Christ: "My work and my glory is this, to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man."

Jesus Christ: "Man is, that Man may have joy."
 

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Sorry if it seems that I am not backing up my words, it is just that I am devoting so much of it to wording it correctly in my book, that I don't want to rush it and make the work seem less than it truly is. I will say that there is physical work to be done due to the fact that the physical and spiritual worlds are linked, however once the light body is formed, then the true work can begin. There are realms even after death, that unless one is prepared may not survive. The Egyptians believed even the soul must be nourished in the afterlife and that there are temptations and evils that await us in the next life, it is not simply you wake up in heaven..The astral body is a vehicle that you must learn to drive and control, those who astral project can attest to the odd sensation of the initial projection and trying to control the astral body, it is a challenge. The Egyptian book of the dead contains affirmations as to how to have limbs, better vision etc..almost like upgrading the astral body.
 

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Can I get a copy of your books Archer Sage? Foooooooorrrrrrrrr FRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!
 

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I was wondering... Are there any "signs" that one is ready to perform an evocation? Or Invocation? I dont fully understand the difference... but I want to do some magic. Some cool magic. I want to summon the Wisdom spirit or something like this.

As had been discussed in the past, there are certain dangers; may I ask, what is it about the process that makes it dangerous? Yes you can stroke out and stuff; but how? how does this opperate and how do you prevent it?

I wish I had a willing teacher; but despite the fact that there are literally hundreds of people on here happy to read and take my advice there seems to only be a handful that pay any homage in return; and usually only in tidbits.

Anyway Im going to clean up the back yard and build a ritual space. In the mean time I hope someone can maybe assist me in understanding what it is that Im missing, that needs to be gained in order to progress.

Thank you.
 

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and usually only in tidbits.
i'm sorry Elixir this is really not my area of expertise, all i got to offer is tidbits

according to doctor faust its quite easy, and i think Franz Bardon says that pacts and deals arent necessary if you know what your doing
the link below has some basic information, but i am no expert in ceremonial magic

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you will definitely need the circle though

madimi who John Dee summoned convinced Edward Kelly and Dee to swap wives
Madimi appeared in the magic glass and after the usual question’s and conversation, the spirit child Madimi said: "Hear what I say God is the unity of all things" then she instructed Dee and Kelley to share all things including their wives
http://www.twistedtree.org.uk/JohnDee.htm

so just be careful, Madimi is not so angelic as she makes out
 

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Okay; so, upon reflection, I can tell im not ready; simply because I dont have the equipment! Which I take as a sign of a lack of spiritual preparedness; therefore, I changed my mind, and will not be invoking Voldamort today...

sorry...

false alarm... :cool:
 

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Enochian magic will do the trick Elixirmixer. Get Enochian Magic by Gerald Schueler ( I only see the advanced Enochian magic on Grimiorze website which is also worth buying, they are both paperback so not to much cost I think. Specifically the contacting of Enochian watchtower seniors through a hexagram ‘window’. I should mention that there are some magical orders that completely prohibit Enochian magic because it has a reputation of causing insanity ( get locked in a psychiatric hospital type insanity). I know or have known about 20 or so guys who have done prolonged Enochian magic, one was actually a diagnosed bi-polar. Nobody got any more insane then they already were because we all knew when to stop. Well OK except one guy his tongue went black and he had rainbow urine I mean he literally pee’d a peacocks Tail. The energy is kind of addictive and instead of leaving it a few days between rituals he did 3 in 2 day’s. He accused his boyfriend of giving him an std!. He was worried his tongue was necrotic and would need partial amputation. I always found rampant sex helped so let your wife know when you are going to do an Enochian ritual so that she may prepare herself for your subsequent ardour. If she does not feel it is a good time delay the ritual, sex really does help afterwards.
 

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I was wondering... Are there any "signs" that one is ready to perform an evocation? Or Invocation? I dont fully understand the difference... but I want to do some magic. Some cool magic. I want to summon the Wisdom spirit or something like this.

Is anyone really ready for anything they attempt?
One aspect of the practice of magic is Faith. In self and in the divine.
 

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I have faith in myself (which im not sure is very sane) and I have faith in the Divine Grace.

However; I have very little faith in Magic itself at this stage because I have honestly NEVER seen it done. EVER. I have never met anyone who practised magic except maybe some creepy gothic ladies but im not sure if they count lol.

Hence my hesitstion, ive got no "friends" to monitor me; except for you guys which are doing an incredible job from long distance btw :eek:

This is why I want to evoke something; to experience this for myself. Its not like I dont believe you's when you talk about contacting entities but there is a big difference in understanding a concept, and experiencning it first hand and its time I think that I took the bull by the horns.

My greatest concern is making "deals" with creepy entities.

Rainbow piss sounds awesome. Black tounge not so much lol.

Im too lazy to get addicted to magic I think; kabbalah and magic; while very important to me, are the slowest moving aspect of my life because even though Im happy to dance in hydrochloric ether clouds, im not so keen to have demons hanging around anymore than they already do. That shit gives me the heebie jeebies
 

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im not so keen to have demons hanging around anymore than they already do.
i think thats very wise
some practitioners of ceremonial magic live a fear filled life
they dont consider their families can also be affected by what they do

a question, do Spirits really have freewill ? to the extent a human or an animal has ?
or do they operate more like a computer program ?
how can you be sure that the spirits even know what they really are...
they are governed by different rules than us

you cant summon me up...why is that ?

I have faith in myself (which im not sure is very sane) and I have faith in the Divine Grace.
I have faith in you and your human heart
i wouldn't recommend ceremonial magic unless you live alone are very shrewd, and are spiritual powerful enough to test these spirits thoroughly

everything in the world of magic is not what it seems
a favourite quote of mine
" you are all the wrathful deities and all the knowledge holding deities and all the peaceful deities "
 

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i think thats very wise
some practitioners of ceremonial magic live a fear filled life
they dont consider their families can also be affected by what they do

a question, do Spirits really have freewill ? to the extent a human or an animal has ?
or do they operate more like a computer program ?
how can you be sure that the spirits even know what they really are...
they are governed by different rules than us

you cant summon me up...why is that ?


I have faith in you and your human heart
i wouldn't recommend ceremonial magic unless you live alone are very shrewd, and are spiritual powerful enough to test these spirits thoroughly

everything in the world of magic is not what it seems
a favourite quote of mine
" you are all the wrathful deities and all the knowledge holding deities and all the peaceful deities "

I have never met a magician who lives a fear filled life, family can be easily separated from it. Yes you can be evoked if you are weak, several witches I have previously known (male and female) have on occasion caused men to be constrained to turn up at a certain location (woods, bedroom whatever) at a certain time hundreds of miles away from where they had planned to be. The Greco Egyptian magic guys often debate about the questionable ethics of the love spells of that period, the torment the target experiences until she gives in and has sex with the magician.

The real danger of magic is that if you do it you can never leave the art for at least one lifetime you may give it up but it will not give you up. Elixirmixer has already done such rituals as the LBRP so this is a redundant point here.

I think it’s worth pointing out that I clearly identify I am relatively new to Alchemy and I make a serious effort to avoid sweeping absurd pronouncements showing my newness and naiveté, my feeling is I am honest about what I have achieved (mainly spagyrics). It is remarkable that such nonsense posted just previous to this post about magic is considered a reasonable opinion, I assume it wasn’t meant as a joke.
 

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Magic won't give up me?? Does this mean I have always been a magician, in a past life or something?

How do I ensure that things dont effect my family?

If your an idiot and dont really have much experience; and you perform these evocations, are they garanteed to work? Or will they sometimes just not work because the artist did a shit job or something like this?
 

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There is a threshold with occult work, particularly magic. Once the level of occult work goes above this threshold, the ‘inner’, the Gods, whatever people choose to call it starts to notice you and will intermittently impinge for the rest of your life whether you wish it or not. A temple room or outdoor area specifically for the person/people and no entry for non occultists will effectively separate ritual magic from other family members. Keep all ritual objects and symbols out of view to others, kept at that location, not all over the house.

Another good method not needing Enochian is Poke Runyon’s dark mirror evocation method. It is highly likely to get a result, brown trousers for a beginner magician highly likely.

Ref: The Book of Solomon’s Magick - Carrol Poke Runyon
 

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It is remarkable that such nonsense posted just previous to this post about magic is considered a reasonable opinion, I assume it wasn’t meant as a joke.
not nonsense Sirrah
alot of magicians witches ive met are very on edge

The real danger of magic is that if you do it you can never leave the art for at least one lifetime you may give it up but it will not give you up
aye so my point about being very shrewd and contemplating about what exactly a spirit is and what exactly a magician is doing
or is that nonsense unless you say it ?...

Once the level of occult work goes above this threshold, the ‘inner’, the Gods, whatever people choose to call it starts to notice you and will intermittently impinge for the rest of your life whether you wish it or not.
so proving my advice right about being very shrewd, thanks :)

A temple room or outdoor area specifically for the person/people and no entry for non occultists will effectively separate ritual magic from other family members. Keep all ritual objects and symbols out of view to others, kept at that location, not all over the house.
you've never had kids have you, they dont always do what you say (who would had thought), and are very curious
hence the advice on living alone to minimise risk

ive seen examples of family's suffering for what the unprepared magician does
and as previously stated i am no expert
but as you obviously are (i seriously doubt) you can enlighten us all
where does the real power lie in magic Sirrah ?
its one word...

you called my post nonsense then proceed to explain how
there is danger and how your life is affected whether you like it or not
i wouldn't recommend ceremonial magic unless you live alone are very shrewd, and are spiritual powerful enough to test these spirits thoroughly
kinda like the point in my nonsense post...
 
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I feel myself getting ready for this stuff. I've always knew I was the real Harry Potter and now I get to prove it :p

Im going to go and make a wand. Ciao