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YES!!
 

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The "clay" that' he used was the Clay of The Wise....from life itself an crass stable solid and an volatile liquid ....from the mine of man. Read The Privy Seal of Secrets and find the hidden lead of the wise, a privy is an outhouse,and in the obscurity of Saturns guts!! Where he swallowed all of the Gods, Zeus the youngest prepared an emitic and was crowned King of the Gods, but he is the youngest....but was this the right direction to exit the body???
 

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I like the direction in which this is going. There's a lot of generous wisdom here.
 

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THE PRIVY SEAL OF SECRETS.

TO omit circumstances,
the first Matter out of
which the Philosophers
Stone is to be had and
taken, is a subject common and
poor in outward appearance, and
therefore it is called a little thing,
and it is in every Mine, yet is
nearer in some things than in
others, and in a word in the Mineral
Kingdom you must have it, in
the most excellent work of the
Mineral Hierarchy; therefore not
Animals or Vegetals. Know ye
then, (although I deny not Raymonds
Canons to be true) that
the lively Nature being constrained
with the strength of Gold, in the
most subtle heat, the Tincture may
be made well easily, and in a short
time, which will convert all Metals
into perfect Gold; but the way of
the Philosophers in the Universal
Work, was out of the Mineral
Kingdom: leaving therefore Animals
and Vegetals, I will acquaint
you with the Universal Subject.

Know that all Philosophers affirm,
that the Matter is but one thing,
and a vile thing which costeth nothing,
cast in High-ways and trod∣den
upon, which is the hope of
Metals, or a thing containing all
things needful for the Work within
it self; and albeit curious Wits
hold all these to be Aenigma's, yet
are they true according to the letter.
Briefly, to manifest the truth,
you shall know that in all Mines
whatsoever there doth lye certain
Beds, of a lutinous or clayish substance,
under the Earth, which in
some places is harder than in
others, the deeper the Mine is, the
more unctuous is the Clay; and
this Clay is the Mother of the Metals,
the feeder of the Mines, for
in it lies hid the Spirits, or the
three Principles of Metals, (viz)
Salt the Body, Sulphur the Soul,
and Mercury the Spirit, not common
nor running, but a white Vapour
which resolves it self into a
white Water; I say, invisibly in
this confused lump of Clay, lies
hid the aforesaid Principles.

And this is the true Matter or
Subject of the Philosophers, and
mark how that it agreeth with that
I said before: First, that it is one
thing, which yet containeth three;
Secondly, that it is a vile thing,
and yet is not so, for it is a lump
of Clay; Thirdly, that it is so vile
and common, that Workmen throw
it out of their Mines, and tread on
it, as a thing of no value: I have
seen High-ways paved with it in
Hungary, and it is no other in
other Countries. And is not this a
Chaos or confused Matter? is not
this the hope of Metals? be you
judge. I took my Matter in Hungary
out of the Mines of Sol, and
so I was taught, because more decocted,
and riper or hotter Spirits
are there, than in any other Mines.
Paracelsus out of it wrought his
Elixir, but the Philosophers generally
took their Matter (which is
the same in shew and substance,
but not so ripe) out of the Mines
of Saturn, and that is their Saturn
so often mentioned in their Books;
not Ore of Saturn, nor Mercury of
Saturn but the Sperm, where the
Vegetable Spirits are not specificated
to Lead, but lye hid in the
lutinous lump of Clay.

Now the difference between that
which is taken out of the Mine of
Sol, and that which is had out of
the Mine of Saturn, is this; in Sol
the Matter is so prepared, you shall
have need but of one Putrefaction,
but in that taken out of the Mine
of Saturn, you must have three Putrefactions,
which indeed is the
great and universal Work. And
thus I have fully and plainly revealed
the Matter, the Work is easy

I took my Matter in Hungary
out of the Mines of Sol, and
so I was taught, because more decocted,
and riper or hotter Spirits
are there
, than in any other Mines.

I really love the words game.

“Have you never read in the Scriptures: ‘THE [very] STONE WHICH THE BUILDERS REJECTED and THREW AWAY, HAS BECOME THE CHIEF CORNERSTONE; THIS IS THE LORD’S DOING, AND IT IS MARVELOUS and WONDERFUL IN OUR EYES’?

The bituminous clay "decocted" has in it the potency of the stone, is that what you guys are underlining?

Hello, may I say a few words about fermentation?
Fermentation is directly related to the dissolution of the compound or the black crow. It is the way that cells are less cohesive and can extract more easily. Thus, the spirit will rise from its earthly and dark prison with vigorous wings. The dissolution is the first alchemic operation, the key to unlock the closed doors of nature. Who knows it well, holds the key to the shrine in their hands.


Pierre.
 

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I like the direction in which this is going. There's a lot of generous wisdom here.
Hi Illen,

When you say "generous wisdom", are you referring to the "pee-pee/poo-poo" interpretation?

Maybe the infamous "Hollow Oak" should be interpreted as the large intestine, in this case?
 

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Hi Illen,

When you say "generous wisdom", are you referring to the "pee-pee/poo-poo" interpretation?

Maybe the infamous "Hollow Oak" should be interpreted as the large intestine, in this case?
Yes, but only partially. Also, in part, more about the "pee-pee" interpretation and its derivatives. I've never been too convinced about the "poo-poo" theory, although I don't rule it out.

I like the idea about the "hollow oak". Although, what would do you think passes through this hollow oak?
 

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Maybe the infamous "Hollow Oak" should be interpreted as the large intestine, in this case?
Metaphorically, perhaps, but what substance could be contained in a hollow?
Well, if the "Hollow Oak" is literally code for the large intestine...

Why do I feel like I'm on a Merry go round? We're back at the beginning. :)

Well, IF the "Hollow Oak" is literally code for the large intestine, then basically what @LeoRetilus is saying:

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Well, IF the "Hollow Oak" is literally code for the large intestine, then basically what @LeoRetilus is saying:

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I guess I don't either :) What a bunch of crap! It's starting to 'piss' me off! Such a 'bummer'.
 

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You are looking for the basis of life and miss its support, how do we stay alive? If not by food? Follow the nitrogen cycle, from the ground and back into it, following the wheel of nature and realize how it multiples itself, into the Dan tien in and other living things, it multiples in the gut and directed by the mind, and through thought and controlled breathing and thus find the basis to all religion and spirituality. Why did Esau sell his birthright for a bowl of lentil soup? Why lentils and legumes?? Cyanobacteria fixes niter and forms symbiotic relationship with your body to release the life force from food and air, this is why the two are combined in the gut, eastern alchemy does indeed have the same root as ours, in man.
 

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I guess I don't either :) What a bunch of crap! It's starting to 'piss' me off! Such a 'bummer'.

Joking aside and considering the Foundations, many Matters can be worked with.

All (or most) matter has its Center & its 2 Central Fires, so ultimately the "matter" is not THAT important.

Basically, the Central Salt is the same in ALL matters, no matter which Kingdom it is sourced from (although each has their personal preferences), and contains the same 2 Central Fires a.k.a. the "two metallic natures", possibly varying in strength and proportion.

But the less superfluous junk the matter contains, the easier/faster the work, which basically consists of "awakening" those 2 Central Fires (seeds), extracting them in sequence as Principles and evolving them into a fully mature & perfectly "united with itself" Alchemical Fruit.

I'm talking about the path of the ICH / Cyliani / Recreations/ Zadkiel lineage here, one of the clearest and most elucidating IMO.
 

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Metaphorically, perhaps, but what substance could be contained in a hollow?
Air, spiritus mundi, it is already fixed init your matter as the support for life, it is re released by cyanobacteria back into the air and then you breathe it in, hence the breath of life. It fixes itself onto cerbro spinal fluid for the entire ride , Amrit drip, and I'm uncovering now just how far indeed the rabbit hole goes ...
 

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--- and through thought and controlled breathing and thus find the basis to all religion and spirituality. Why did Esau sell his birthright for a bowl of lentil soup? Why lentils and legumes?? Cyanobacteria fixes niter and forms symbiotic relationship with your body to release the life force from food and air, this is why the two are combined in the gut, eastern alchemy does indeed have the same root as ours, in man..
Hello dear Leo, very interesting,your indication
SO can you explain to us in relation to what you are saying with breathing Taoism breathing and lotus position meditation and feeding the intestines and eating legumes to accelerate development meditation and Esau who sold his birthright for a bowl of lentil soup? Why lentils and legumes?Amrit drip,etc.?
and SO. if are SO can you show us please where ? in this traditions of yoga taoism and use of controlled brearhing etc where ? all this tradition they say about this use "spiritual" of legumes ? and where ? it is indicated it ( this special use of legumes) in their traditional texts and instructions ?
and where ? they say or write that,they using and eating legumes them, would help and accelerate the development of meditation an give sm or atract by eating legumes one special pure prana in the body and this thank at the use eating legumes?

thank very much

my best regard Alfr
 
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Tell me if the matters he worked on were urine and poop. Howcome his lungs were damaged by the labors of hercules?
 

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Tell me if the matters he worked on were urine and poop. Howcome his lungs were damaged by the labors of hercules?

 

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Anhydrous ammonia is something way different than the garden variety stink one get from the BOA method. first of all anhydrous means no water and ammonia is seriously hydroscopic. there were reports of farmers getting thie eyeballs deflated and singed off from this. We need to delve deeper into the meaning he said of "learn chemistry"
 

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There is no explicit mention by Cyliani which organ was affected by his earlier alchemical experiments.

One of his students (I think Perard) mentions an eye. Search this thread.

Also, the organ damage of Cyliani occurred BEFORE he learned the "correct" way.

The chemistry part would need to be figured out by those who work with chemicals.

While Cyliani recommends it, Hermetic Recreations (a book of the same lineage and similar MO) cautions against the use of chemicals.
 

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Anhydrous ammonia is something way different than the garden variety stink one get from the BOA method.

It's not hard to produce highly concentrated ammonia gas by distilling ammonium hydroxide solutions. You can also make anhydrous gas by dry distilling ammonia salts with lye. The hard part is condensing anhydrous ammonia as a liquid. That link mentioned anhydrous gas, but that doesn't mean a non-anhydrous high concentration gas/vapor is safe for the lungs. Not saying Cyliani necessarily did that. Just saying it's very easy using the knowledge/equipment Cyliani had access to.

Not trying to get off topic. Just posting this so newbies don't assume the "garden variety stink" is always safe to inhale.

 

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Didnt fulcanelli tell a story of an alchemist whose flask exploded and hot metal shot all over his face and body then died? I seem to think that he was leaving hints about the entire operation in the book dwellings of the philosphers.
 

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Bacteria putrefies Plant material, and Animal material, but the Alchemists constantly warn that we are dealing with minerals, not animal or plant matter. In the mineral world, what is the parallel to bacteria that putrefies minerals? It is water, air/wind and sun/heat - the three other elements. As the mineral "putrefies", rusts and crumbles, it draws in the Spirit, just as matter draws in the human or animal spirit. It is this highly volatile spirit that the alchemists sought to fix.

I think I've now revealed more about this approach than just about anyone on this forum.

And thank you again for that @Illen A. Cluf
Interestingly enough, there is an iron-oxidizing bacteria which is involved in the breakdown of pyrite and marcasite.
One name of this type of bacteria is Leptospirillum ferrooxidans.
Source here and here

and have a looksee here from this article

The pyrite stones were first packed into heaps with scrap-iron in large rectangular wooden containers and then moistened. The action of the air, water and bacteria oxidised the pyrites into ferrous sulphate (green vitriol or Copperas) and sulphuric acid.

The presence of the bacteria accelerates the degradation of the pyrite and/or marcasite.
 

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And thank you again for that @Illen A. Cluf
Interestingly enough, there is an iron-oxidizing bacteria which is involved in the breakdown of pyrite and marcasite.
One name of this type of bacteria is Leptospirillum ferrooxidans.
Source here and here

and have a looksee here from this article



The presence of the bacteria accelerates the degradation of the pyrite and/or marcasite.
Good find, Triune One!