Cyliani

[Triune One]

Astral Spirit is indeed half of the equation, it travels in the ground , read the schollies in Recreations, it is galvanic, magnetic and travels from the poles, especially the north downward along the magnetic ley lines through the earth, in the ground!! This is why the document says to point your apparatus towards the north! It is yin chi. The serpent that crawls the earth. Spiritus Mundi on the other hand is the serpent that hovers above your nose! Literally! It is in the air you breath, the breath of Life, The Odem. It is Ying Chi.

You must mean Yang Chi.

So the as above, so below -
The astral spirit, you are saying, is the earthly form version of the Spiritus mundi?
As in the "as above" (Spiritus mundi) --- "so below" (astral spirit)

Spiritus mundi - yang chi - is allied with the serpent with wings.
And Astral spirit - yin chi - allied with the serpent without wings. ?

I am happy you are no longer banned.
I didn't realize those "sentences" were time-delineated.

 

[Andro]

The "Astral Spirit" (also occasionally referred to as "Celestial Niter" or "Secret Fire") is one of the more subtle embodiments of "Spiritus Mundi".

In this state, it is open, active, quite volatile and theoretically in almost limitless "supply".

It "circulates" from below to above and from above to below, in our relatively "closed" reality system.

One of the most subtle, volatile and least specified "hosts" to harvest it in, can be taken & corporified from the Aerial Medium.

Various "magnets" can be employed for this, be they near, inside or sometimes even completely outside a sealed condensation vessel.

The "Terrestrial Spirit", on the other hand, and following Alchemical "Canon", is enclosed in all matters/bodies and it is relatively "dormant", "fixed" and "closed". Fixed salts are a good example for this.

Chemical/chymical agents can be employed, to various degrees, to "release" and "sublimate" a Mercurial Spirit from "terrestrial" Matters.

Those "Mercurial Spirits" would fall under the category of Mineral/Metallic or even Interregnum "Mercuries", but can still maintain a relative degree of Universality.

The "Astral" Fire opens and thoroughly cleanses the "Terrestrial" One, and is in turn fixed by it. The result can be an alchemical "Common Mercury", essentially an (almost) Sulfur-less matter.

In some laboratory approaches, it can be used as a "Virgin Prima Materia" or "Regenerated Salt of Nature" (symbolized by the Glyph with the Cross enclosed in a Circle, i.e. "Niter & Salt" - see Golden Chain) in which the Solar & Lunar "seeds" are "planted" and further grown, evolved and eventually unified.

Finally, "Spiritus Mundi" is NEVER corporeal by itself. Its activity, availability and expression are necessitatively dictated by the Host Matter, always.

 

[LeoRetilus]

The "Astral Spirit" (also occasionally referred to as "Celestial Niter" or "Secret Fire") is one of the more subtle embodiments of "Spiritus Mundi".

In this state, it is open, active, quite volatile and theoretically in almost limitless "supply".

It "circulates" from below to above and from above to below, in our relatively "closed" reality system.

One of the most subtle, volatile and least specified "hosts" to harvest it in, can be taken & corporified from the Aerial Medium.

Various "magnets" can be employed for this, be they near, inside or sometimes even completely outside a sealed condensation vessel.

The "Terrestrial Spirit", on the other hand, and following Alchemical "Canon", is enclosed in all matters/bodies and it is relatively "dormant", "fixed" and "closed". Fixed salts are a good example for this.

Chemical/chymical agents can be employed, to various degrees, to "release" and "sublimate" a Mercurial Spirit from "terrestrial" Matters.

Those "Mercurial Spirits" would fall under the category of Mineral/Metallic or even Interregnum "Mercuries", but can still maintain a relative degree of Universality.

The "Astral" Fire opens and thoroughly cleanses the "Terrestrial" One, and is in turn fixed by it. The result can be an alchemical "Common Mercury", essentially an (almost) Sulfur-less matter.

In some laboratory approaches, it can be used as a "Virgin Prima Materia" or "Regenerated Salt of Nature" (symbolized by the Glyph with the Cross enclosed in a Circle, i.e. "Niter & Salt" - see Golden Chain) in which the Solar & Lunar "seeds" are "planted" and further grown, evolved and eventually unified.

Finally, "Spiritus Mundi" is NEVER corporeal by itself. Its activity, availability and expression are necessitatively dictated by the Host Matter, always.

NO!! Two entirely different specimens, nothing alike. Astral spirit is not in the air! It travels in the ground, it is a living radiation given off by stars and absorbed by the poles in the form of Borealis ,but becomes a sort of living galvanic and electric force that travels along minerals and metals! Somewhere here years back I wrote about Baron Von Reichenbach and his experiments with it. If you follow the crumbs I lay you will find the secret of the pyramids and the way to true ascension among the Pleadies! It travels slowly unlike electrical force and signals that you think of conventionallly. Read those schollies! Spritus Mundi is in the air it becomes niter, yes, but what you miss is when the salt is formed it is because of a union of these two forces/Spirits..here again..focus on the principles of nature, once you grasp the fundamental of life and alchemy you can use it as a support for any work. Inner or outer! Spiritual or spiritual with the physical support/matter.

I'm going to prove it to you with the lost eastern inner Alchemy practices,that use the true magnet, man, as a capacitor for both Chi's and then you will understand!

 

[Andro]

Spritus Mundi is in the air it becomes niter, yes, but what you miss is when the salt is formed it is because of a union of these two forces/Spirits.

Mon cher, which part of:

The "Astral" Fire opens and thoroughly cleanses the "Terrestrial" One, and is in turn fixed by it.

Didn't you understand or decided to completely ignore?

 

[Andro]

Astral spirit is not in the air! It travels in the ground!

Actually it "travels" both "Above" & "Below":

It "circulates" from below to above and from above to below

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what you miss is when the salt is formed it is because of a union of these two forces/Spirits

Here you're probably talking about the magnetic coalescence/attraction/corporification of this Astral Spirit/Secret Fire. A more "terrestrial" magnet, provided it's in a certain state of "agitation", can assist us with this "corporification", which can be either in liquid form or directly in salt form. I'm abstaining SO gosh-darn hard to not post some explicit pictures of it right now

the way to true ascension among the Pleadies!

Ascension among the "Pleadies" is not really what I'm aiming for, but thanks.

If you follow the crumbs I lay

Not gonna follow your "crumbs", sorry. Got myself some real bread. No offense.

I'm going to prove it to you with the lost eastern inner Alchemy practices, that use the true magnet, man, as a capacitor for both Chi's and then you will understand!

Can't wait

Although it's rather ironic! Using so many exclamation marks! Whereas we are most likely talking about the same thing! But in a different lingo! Dagnabit!

 

[alfr]

I'm going to prove it to you with the lost eastern inner Alchemy practices,that use the true magnet, man, as a capacitor for both Chi's and then you will understand!

Very wonderful dear friend Leo wonderful very very interesting I can't wait to read both your posts here and your book
my best regard Alfr

 

[Jimmy Rig]

I reckon sun gazing and grounding could fit the bill. Uniting heaven and earth. Inner alchemy wise. One from the star(s) and one from the ground, but both of the same underpinning.

 

[Triune One]

I reckon sun gazing and grounding could fit the bill. Uniting heaven and earth. Inner alchemy wise. One from the star(s) and one from the ground, but both of the same underpinning.

Agreed. Same principle for sure. The sun gazing, "eating the sun" with the eyes, very nice.
Too bad you can't face north, breathing in Spiritus mundi AND sun gaze at the same time.

 

[Triune One]

Spiritus Mundi on the other hand is the serpent that hovers above your nose! Literally! It is in the air you breath, the breath of Life, The Odem.

That's a nice connection you made there.
And... I have found it even more powerful than just the breathing in the Spiritus mundi aspect of Pranayama, say, or some other Taoist or the like breathing exercise, to "preserve the seed" and draw it up to the top of the head so that it is raised into the "heavens" and infuses the upper chakras, brain and ventricles with Qi (Jing into Qi). Then, one can circulate back down and around in the MICROCOSMic orbit. The Rosicrucians are BIG in this, and others too. See Thesauraus Thesaurorum.

Second, of urine if you live chaste and healthy, you can prepare from it the stone of our dear
beloved ancestors, and also the Alkahest.

The inner fire goes off the charts when one preserves the SEED. The seed in all things, animal, plant and mineral, as we know, is the closest to the Spiritus mundi and the first matter of that manifest thing. That's why the plants begin flowering in the spring with the augmented influx of Spiritus mundi (and again in fall, but to a lesser degree). Animals all start rutting and making babies. The great MULTIPLICATION of life begins anew. That seed, when it is not spilled, grows and builds upon itself. It is a key of unlocking many inner abilities and insights, tools that are invaluable in the alchemy lab.

Couldn't have done it when I was a younger man.
I was too drawn in to the external pleasures of the eye.
Now, I am drawn by different treasures and pleasures.

 

[Andro]

Agreed. Same principle for sure. The sun gazing, "eating the sun" with the eyes, very nice.
Too bad you can't face north, breathing in Spiritus mundi AND sun gaze at the same time.

The Golden Rosicrucians come to the rescue, as they have a preference for the East (Orient) to "attract" the Spiritus, unlike the ICH/Recreations/Cyliani lineage, which prefers the North:

This is my translation of the text of the first Labor (5th Grade).
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Labor Imus or the attraction of the air-spirit

First the worthy brother has to choose [find] a habitation in a remote, free, slightly elevated place, always filled with fresh air, to prepare inside a comfortable room or chamber, in which exists a window to the Orient: In said chamber all openings have to be well closed and a pane taken out of the one single window pointing towards the Orient

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I reckon sun gazing and grounding could fit the bill. Uniting heaven and earth. Inner alchemy wise. One from the star(s) and one from the ground, but both of the same underpinning.

Also see this thread: Sungazing

It is in the air you breath, the breath of Life, The Odem.

That's a nice connection you made there.

From ICH's Naturweg, page 11-12 (the "O" in "Odem" is replaced with the symbol for "Niter"):

 

[Andro]

Astral spirit is not in the air!

Read those schollies!

Scholium 13:

"The Astral Spirit, aerian and universal, introduced into this subject, according to its purity, gives it a more or less noble form."

Scholium 16:

"The Astral Spirit is unequivocally the light of the Sun and the stars, with which the air and the heavens are filled."

NO!! Two entirely different specimens, nothing alike!

Scholium 21:

"We collect this Spirit in the great sea of the wise which is the air, by means of a magical steel which is of the same nature."

Scholium 24:

"All bodies that have life draw air for their nourishment. The animal kingdom is the one where this attraction occurs most visibly."

Scholium 27:

"At these two times of the year, Nature regenerates herself, and the air is more charged with this vital spirit."

Scholium 32:

"North being its homeland, it is in this region of the atmosphere that it must be harvested."
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Anyway, I am quite convinced we're talking about the same principles. At least as far as this here discussed lineage is concerned.

by means of a magical steel which is of the same nature.

the true magnet, man

ICH is VERY explicit about the "Magnet" being sourced from Man. He writes:

"Who should now think that the true living magnet for this noble pearl and Universal Mercury comes from a living human being, really, this great wisdom would be called a fool's folly by stupid men."

And:

"It comes out of the human and the Air"

And:

"As we now draw the astral spirit from heaven, it is held by our magnet through its coagulating property, and while retaining its universal power, it is bound. This is precisely the secret solution, which the philosophers call the magic marriage or the magnetic coalescence of the Earth with the Sky, and the uttermost secret of our art, because in this our artificial regeneration has its beginning."
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Finally, no text openly describes the "harvesting" techniques for the required large quantities of this "Astral Spirit", maybe with the exception of some "devices" that are nevertheless missing certain Keys (such as the Bacstrom Device, the R+C Device, the "Marmor Spongia", etc...). So quite a few alchemists opt to resort to large collections of common Dew instead, which is basically the same in principle, but significantly less potent & concentrated. And if the common Dew touches grass or plants, it already absorbs some of their Tinctures, which already "specifies" it.

 

[Jimmy Rig]

Agreed. Same principle for sure. The sun gazing, "eating the sun" with the eyes, very nice.
Too bad you can't face north, breathing in Spiritus mundi AND sun gaze at the same time.

I suppose if we are breathing in SM from the air it probably does not matter which way we are facing the four directions are all fair game for the air.
What I wonder is perhaps there is a larger proportion of SM available as we go north?
I have had the thought before that the farther north you go the colder it is = denser air with more SM available per cubic foot or meter or whatever that you breathe in.
You are also closer to the pole so the air is possibly fatter with energy.

We have long cold winters here, and although things take a rest in the natural world, life does indeed continue and there is nothing more refreshing to breathe than colder than ice air. Too bad you can't really sungaze and ground when its minus 30 or colder Celsius lol.

Snowpack can serve as a great store of condensed SM (within the water) which makes it spectacular debut when it is released in springtime in accordance with the approaching of the summer solstice. The renewing energy of a northern clime in spring is spectacular. (Lots of deposited goodies get distributed over a relatively short time period as the solar intensity is very high near summer solstice.)

I feel like a northern but not arctic climate is sort of like having a giant cycle of evaporation and condensing, you get the extremes on both ends. (Max uptake of SM and max deposition of SM, also being in a wet climate can be useful for the transfer vehicle of water.)
Maybe this has something to do with the North references though I am aware of the "droppings of the pole star". Just saying there may be other aspects to it as well.

 

[Triune One]

I suppose if we are breathing in SM from the air it probably does not matter which way we are facing the four directions are all fair game for the air.
What I wonder is perhaps there is a larger proportion of SM available as we go north?
I have had the thought before that the farther north you go the colder it is = denser air with more SM available per cubic foot or meter or whatever that you breathe in.
You are also closer to the pole so the air is possibly fatter with energy.

Interesting. May be so. I do know that being close to the equators yields great benefits. That must be from the directness of the sun and from being "in between" the poles. Also... in my opinion, what makes the spring and fall rich with SM and regeneration, is due to the EQUI-NOX... meaning, the night and day are EQUAL. Balance of nature... which yields the Child of the Sun and the Moon... the magic fulcrum of nature's balance. Being right AT the equator would reap the full benefit of that.

Now, Viktor Schauberger taught that 4oC is the optimal temperature for water to contain the most "orgone". Not sure if that is the term he used, from Wilhelm Reich or not, but Qi / Ki / Prana / Orgone is what he was talking about. My hunch is that the same is true for air temperature. (edit note here: I don't mean in terms of the exact temperature of the air being optimal at 4oC for SM saturation... I mean there might be an optimal temperature for air, like there is for water.)
If it's too cold, it might exceed the benefits of the condensation of the SM in the air.

We have long cold winters here, and although things take a rest in the natural world, life does indeed continue and there is nothing more refreshing to breathe than colder than ice air. Too bad you can't really sungaze and ground when its minus 30 or colder Celsius lol.

Snowpack can serve as a great store of condensed SM (within the water) which makes it spectacular debut when it is released in springtime in accordance with the approaching of the summer solstice. The renewing energy of a northern clime in spring is spectacular. (Lots of deposited goodies get distributed over a relatively short time period as the solar intensity is very high near summer solstice.)

I feel like a northern but not arctic climate is sort of like having a giant cycle of evaporation and condensing, you get the extremes on both ends. (Max uptake of SM and max deposition of SM, also being in a wet climate can be useful for the transfer vehicle of water.)
Maybe this has something to do with the North references though I am aware of the "droppings of the pole star". Just saying there may be other aspects to it as well.

That is a nice perspective to have.
I always felt frustrated that, living so far in the north, as the Sun moved into the Ram, it was still around 2 months
that I could begin collecting regular ol' dew.
The snow is a great point. All those months or solar and lunar fires being stored in the same water (provided you don't have a total melt)
only to come trickling down as the Sun gets warmer.
Very very good awareness there.
I remember that ice cold water super saturated with lifeforce flowing in the spring.
gorgeous stuff.

 

[Illen A. Cluf]

I have had the thought before that the farther north you go the colder it is = denser air with more SM available per cubic foot or meter or whatever that you breathe in.

Unfortunately, experimentation has shown that the further north you go, the less SM that can be captured (at least using one of the methods). In Canada, therefore, it is very difficult to obtain more than a drop or two. Mexico seems to be the best location for gathering SM.

 

[Jimmy Rig]

Unfortunately, experimentation has shown that the further north you go, the less SM that can be captured (at least using one of the methods). In Canada, therefore, it is very difficult to obtain more than a drop or two. Mexico seems to be the best location for gathering SM.

Thankfully I see life and am not discouraged by geographical locale. I do appreciate that you put in brackets "at least using one of the methods" maybe others are available. I can still collect herbs and make elixirs here so there must be something!

I can see the ideal nature of balanced seasons and increased temperature for these works but I tend to work with what I have got and that is how we arrived with Jimmy Rig for a username.
We have snow that is staying from november until end of april (based on last year) without virtually any melt as the whole ground freezes prior to the snowfall. Our foundations are sunk to 8 feet for this reason. I think also some lands are more structured energetically or "fixed" which may have some influence on the happenings there of since it, we, are all connected.

For example, one living close to an ocean and then if they live on a sand dune or on a mountain overlook will probably have different energetic effects on the individual and then compare to some guy living in mid continental northern boreal forest with no major water bodies anywhere near by excepting the great lakes however water is EVERYWHERE in lakes, rivers, the ground is saturated fully with it so it still dominates our life but the interaction is so intertwined with the rock and earth here.

Thanks for the feedback guys, my message here is not to be discouraged by what others say you can't do and let your unfolding happen in its own unique way.

There are many sign posts to guide us but we each have to take our own steps and will arrive where we are meant to be.

 

[Andro]

I've been in Canada years ago (Ontario area) and I recall that the weather started getting quite nice in May-June.

So Spring time in Ontario should be fine for harvesting. Maybe not with the solar ways, but it's definitely possible.

Also, the Toronto area is quite close in latitude to the South of France (43-44 degrees North), and Cyliani didn't seem to have a problem. And Paris is at an even higher latitude (almost 49 degrees North).

I know it's colder on the North American East Coast, but that shouldn't deter anyone from succeeding.

I don't recall the source, I think it's "Chemical Moonshine", but it says: "Too much heat or too much cold give nothing".

So unless one lives in an extreme climate all year round, there are always seasonal windows for harvest optimization.

And even if one does live in an extreme climate all year round, I'm sure there are plenty of "hacks" to "open" the host matter(s) and release/unbind the Spiritus.

 

[Lakshmana]

Unfortunately, experimentation has shown that the further north you go, the less SM that can be captured (at least using one of the methods). In Canada, therefore, it is very difficult to obtain more than a drop or two. Mexico seems to be the best location for gathering SM.

What method?
Sun salts
hot cold?

I think there is a chance in deep winter when there is no humidity the sm gathers like in deserts

 

[Illen A. Cluf]

What method?
Sun salts
hot cold?

I think there is a chance in deep winter when there is no humidity the sm gathers like in deserts

Solar rays.

 

[Andro]

Solar rays.

At higher latitudes/lower mid-day sun (such as Canada and further North), the solar ways are indeed less than optimal.

The heat of common fire can serve us well at higher latitudes, especially during the optimal seasons and moon phases.

See ICH (German Author of this lineage) about the Agency of Common Fire during Harvest:

"The agent to pull the Astral Spirit down from the sky and corporitize it is the heat of common fire, because the Air is the food of the Fire and attracts it, and as such happens, it is transformed into Water."

 

[Kibric]

I do not think, Sir, that you believed that Aristeus had sincerely revealed the secret of the wisemen in the process which he has described afterwards. You have too great a light not to perceive that he only speaks allegorically when he advises to get the Air condensed round a vessel by means of snow or ice; to fill with it as many vessels as one would, to put it into a Philosophical Egg; to seal it hermetically, and to make it pass all the regimens.

You very well know that from all this no good can be made; but I also do not know whether you penetrate into the mystery contained in this allegory; and whether you would understand what this snow, this ice, this condensed Air, this bird which catches the bird, do signify; I can at least assure you that these terms do signify a quite different thing from what they seem to signify. Aristeus himself lets you know that these terms contain a great mystery; for he says

32****Creatures may know the Air,
******But to catch Air, is the Key of Nature.

It would in effect be a very easy thing, if there were nothing else, but to condense the Air by the means of snow or ice, even in the rays of the Sun at full noonday, during the greatest heats, it is because of that, that the philosopher at the same time adds with a great deal of reason.

33****This is a secret and more than humane
******To take the heavenly Secret from the Air.

It is a secret truly which exceeds the ordinary capacity of the mind of man: yet Aristeus makes one make a reflection upon it; on which the whole secret of the great Work does depend if he does not discover himself better than the other philosophers yet he says enough to put the sons of Art off from all imaginations, and to let the adepts know that he, as they do who possesses this great treasure.

35****A fish is caught by a Fish, and a Bird by a Bird.
******The Air is also caught by a sweet Air.

Mind these words well, they contain all the secrets of the philosophers, which Cosmopolita discovers to us under the name of the philosophic magnet, forasmuch as he says, the air generates the magnet, but the magnet generates or makes the Air appear; there, says he, is the Water of our dew, wherefrom the saltpetre of the philosophers is drawn, which nourishes and makes all things grow; we must come then concerning this [thing] to the principle which I am going to establish to seek this admirable magnet, this Air which catches Air, and not to far that the matter of the philosophers mounts first from the earth to heaven, afterwards it re-descends from heaven to earth and so receives the force of the superior and inferior things, that which is below is as that which is on high, and that which is on high is as that which is below. This is the infallible oracle of the truth telling Hermes.

Mercury. The golden key.

Condensed air is fishing the air, if you follow.
It is the same as " In Air it congeals and resembles Ice "
The air has become fixed.
They say you only fix air with our fire. A double meaning. Consider mercury itself is " our fire " and its condensed vapour
Is Air that has been fixed.
The bird that catches the bird.
Mercury becoming aerial and fatty " sweet air " then its " air "/ vapour / humidity being condensed." Extract the dry core of mercury "
" Clip wings " " Cut feet " .

Thread: The Egg Development

" In Air it congeals and resembles Ice "

 

[Triune One]

The Golden Rosicrucians come to the rescue, as they have a preference for the East (Orient) to "attract" the Spiritus, unlike the ICH/Recreations/Cyliani lineage, which prefers the North:

nice one there Andro.
And it does make me recall from the EPIC Celestial Agriculture thread started by Rogerc, here -

IV. If Marle, even in the quality of a simple matrix, is well adapted to attract the nitre in the air, its effect on
vegetation will be lasting, as it may be reiteratedly impregnated. This is made evident, by the earth from which the salt-petre makers have extracted the salt-petre. Being exposed for a certain number of years to the air, and to the north easterly and north winds, and being sheltered by walls from the south, it imbibes salt-petre a-new, which is again by the former operations extracted.

So there is another precedent of the SM manifesting in its beloved shell of saltpeter from the Eastern (and north in this case).

Excellent stuff.

 

[LeoRetilus]

Scholium 13:

"The Astral Spirit, aerian and universal, introduced into this subject, according to its purity, gives it a more or less noble form."

Scholium 16:

"The Astral Spirit is unequivocally the light of the Sun and the stars, with which the air and the heavens are filled."

Scholium 21:

"We collect this Spirit in the great sea of the wise which is the air, by means of a magical steel which is of the same nature."

Scholium 24:

"All bodies that have life draw air for their nourishment. The animal kingdom is the one where this attraction occurs most visibly."

Scholium 27:

"At these two times of the year, Nature regenerates herself, and the air is more charged with this vital spirit."

Scholium 32:

"North being its homeland, it is in this region of the atmosphere that it must be harvested."
______________________________

Anyway, I am quite convinced we're talking about the same principles. At least as far as this here discussed lineage is concerned.

ICH is VERY explicit about the "Magnet" being sourced from Man. He writes:

"Who should now think that the true living magnet for this noble pearl and Universal Mercury comes from a living human being, really, this great wisdom would be called a fool's folly by stupid men."

And:

"It comes out of the human and the Air"

And:

"As we now draw the astral spirit from heaven, it is held by our magnet through its coagulating property, and while retaining its universal power, it is bound. This is precisely the secret solution, which the philosophers call the magic marriage or the magnetic coalescence of the Earth with the Sky, and the uttermost secret of our art, because in this our artificial regeneration has its beginning."
__________________________________


Finally, no text openly describes the "harvesting" techniques for the required large quantities of this "Astral Spirit", maybe with the exception of some "devices" that are nevertheless missing certain Keys (such as the Bacstrom Device, the R+C Device, the "Marmor Spongia", etc...). So quite a few alchemists opt to resort to large collections of common Dew instead, which is basically the same in principle, but significantly less potent & concentrated. And if the common Dew touches grass or plants, it already absorbs some of their Tinctures, which already "specifies" it.

I am going to have to explain this from the beginning in another place and I do not mean this to challenge anyone's current views but instead to lay out and bare some of the hidden knowledge and allow you to connect some dots without me divulging too much, the diligent one will reap his rewards.

I'll just say here that in the practice of tai chi, one breathes in through his nose and into his gut(dan tien) not to inflate his lungs! What could be in your gut that you are feeding? Remember that the air is mostly nitrogen! And in this practice like tumo, one uses his intellect which is the true magnet to move and keep the SM/astral spirit in his gut as he exhales through his mouth in a waterfall action. As you can see here and what Pierre Dujols (Magaphon) says in his dissertation of the Mutus Liber, the practicians here are not praying...

The lower figure of this second plate represents an athanor between a man and
a woman on their knees as if they were praying, which has led certain feeble
spirits to believe that prayer intervenes in the work as a ponderable element.
Here it is a non operating factor. The main thing is to employ expedient
materials; but the elan of the creature towards the creator can have a favorable
influence on the directives, for the light comes from God. One must
nevertheless liberate oneself from these not very effective suggestions. The
artist's prayer is yet more his work, often hard, dangerous and incompatible
with too white hands.

You can see in the mid image, the icon of Saturn, wrenching at his gut, where he swallowed all of his children, this to note that all of the powers of heaven reside here!

You see that astral spirit and Spiritus Mundi are already present in the food you eat! Especially plants that reside near to the ground such as legumes! As the plants has vein in the ground and also in the air that partake of both astral spirit galvanic /electric) and spiritus mundi which the two together become food for the plant in the form of aerial niter. This is what we are animals lack and why the food chain begins with plants! Now hmmm...now if there was only a practice that allows man to ground himself like a plant.......

This is why the palm tree is so venerated in the middle east and in the story of the baby xhrist residing in his mother's womb is transported to heaven. As I also related in my phonetic cabala thread and please re read about the beatylus stone, the stone of mecca, which "descended" from heaven. The angel tells Mohamed the origin of the stone. The Phonetic Cabala also reveals it simply! caballo! The Magical Horse Pegasus who descended from heaven and with his back hoof dislodged the Hipocrene Fountain, our source of dry water. The master attains a sort of knack for alchemy which we liken to a pun...."the flick of the wrist." Here you will see parallels with the Mohamedean and Solomonic mines....these no gold in the middle east! The Temple of Amun, they found nothing but ammonium nitrate and camel dung. Must be something special about what the camel eats and how it breathes?

Do not all supposed religions hide a true practice that is nothing but breathing?

From Fulcanelli: Spero Sperabo... I breathe therefore I hope

What does ICH say about breath? I do not have it handy but something to the effect that that as long as one draws breath, he lives according to gods will. That is that all he wants from you is to live! And prescribes nothing more for you and that all things that live draw this spirit as a breath, live according to his will which is to live and as long as I breathe, I hope! It is life, the quintessence of it.

 

[Andro]

Leo mon cher,

You already know that I know exactly what you're talking about.

But to attain to the hidden knowledge of your "Flick of the Wrist", we must literally witness the "End of the World", where we can finally find a New Beginning, as per Hermetic Recreations (page 29). Finis Gloria Mundi!

Additionally: The "Astral Spirit" is one of many embodiments of "Spiritus Mundi".

Spiritus Mundi on its own is always and forever immaterial. It is not "available" without a Corpus. The more subtle & less specified, the better.

Also, please note that this Alchemical Play (at least in the "Cyliani" lineage we're discussing on this thread) requires two Actors: An Agent and a Patient.

The Patient (and the Magnet as well) is a Terrestrial-Microcosmic one, but sufficiently "opened" and "awakened" (via its preparation) to receive the much more abundantly needed Celestial-Macrocosmic Secret Fire.

And yes, absolutely, the Laboratory Work mirrors the Internal Work almost to a tee!

 

[LeoRetilus]

Leo mon cher,

You already know that I know exactly what you're talking about.

But to attain to the hidden knowledge of your "Flick of the Wrist", we must literally witness the "End of the World", where we can finally find a New Beginning, as per Hermetic Recreations (page 29). Finis Gloria Mundi!

Additionally: The "Astral Spirit" is one of many embodiments of "Spiritus Mundi".

Spiritus Mundi on its own is always and forever immaterial. It is not "available" without a Corpus. The more subtle & less specified, the better.

Also, please note that this Alchemical Play (at least in the "Cyliani" lineage we're discussing on this thread) requires two Actors: An Agent and a Patient.

The Patient (and the Magnet as well) is a Terrestrial-Microcosmic one, but sufficiently opened and awakened via its preparation to receive the much more abundantly needed Celestial-Macrocosmic Secret Fire.

And yes, absolutely, the Laboratory Work mirrors the Internal Work almost to a tee!

Andro, I do not even think like Green Lion says that these writer's knew the difference or how to separate the two serpents, I believe that Flammel in The Book Of Abraham the Jew did best!
SM appear when the two untie,first as a salt and then as a dry water that does not wet the hands. It can do so with or without a material or physical matter to which to bind! This it is why it is important to discover and note the principles and fundamentals of alchemy by studying nature. Look at the plant, the way it grows! What is nurturing, what is a philosophical day? I do not know what best to call it in light of Cyliani and Recreations...perhaps it is two astral Spirits, that is why I call them chi's , yin and yang and I'll show how in the traditions of a hidden Eastern alchemy they are harnessed.

And yes that image you shared is exactly what I am about to divulge! The true and hidden origin of the lotus position!

 

[Jimmy Rig]

Hey Leo and Andro,

Thanks guys, some reaffirming information posted here and some clarity to be found IMO.

Just had some texts jump into my remembrance so I have decided to search them out as I feel they are relevant to what you are posting.

"Water was the first condensation or corporification of the Universal fire, which water nevertheless in its center was, and remains fire, full of life and activity, and the more so, as it was assisted by its Equal, the Light, separated out of it, as much as was necessary for the creating of all immaterial and material Beings, and in success of time for their maintenance.
Of the separated Light we have spoken before, we have now to consider its first body Humidity or water. This water differs in regard to Rarefaction or Density; if Rarefied to a certain Degree it constitutes air, that is fire predominating above water, but if condensed to a degree it becomes Humid water, or Humidity predominating above fire. Nevertheless, in both, that is in their Center lays concealed fire or the Universal spirit." Golden Chain of Homer Ch 1
Also from GC
"As soon as the air gets deprived of its Universal fire, which animates it and renders it elastic, it becomes immediately putrid, and thereby declines lower down, becomes Humidity, mud, earth and immoveable; it is the same case with water when deprived of fire, or of animated air, it becomes putride, condenses still further and becomes earth, immoveable."

Water is condensed air;
check this from JF art of distillation. It is significant as it informs us that the plants take the overwhelming majority of their substance from the water and the light. NOT the soil, which is a byproduct of the water loosing its "fire" or becoming less superfluous. Hence the need to add fresh water periodically in the below experiments referenced.

"Also, if you put some plants, as water mint, etc., into a glass of fair water, it will germinate and shoot out into a great length, and also take root in the water, which root will in a short time be so increased and extended as to fill up the glass; but you must remember that you put fresh water into the glass once in two or three days. Hereunto, also, may be added the experiment of Helmont concerning the growth of a tree. For (says he) I took two hundred pound weight of earth dried in an oven and put it into a vessel, in which I set a willow tree which weighed five pounds which, by the addition of water to the earth, did in five years time grow to such a bigness as that it weighed 169 pounds, at which time I also dried and weighed the earth, and within two ounces it retained its former weight."

So the plants are pulling fire from the water and using it to generate their substance or form. Obviously utilizing the connection between the ground and heaven as well. Water from the ground, light from the heavens. Their byproduct that is exhaled is vivified air (full of fire).

My point is that I agree with you and I personally have learnt to understand to some degree these concepts and nature by studying water. Which is really just air with less "fire". So you can extract the fire from it and turn it into an "air" and an "earth" . I am speaking of laboratory practices here but I believe it is relevant to the concepts of ying yang, tai chi etc.

Grounding, breathing, sungazing..
Motion, rest,
Eating, digesting, growing,
Fasting, healing, condensing,

All pertinent IMO

Anyways i will stop rambling on now and enjoy the very generous comments.


Cheers