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Moderna’s initial Phase 3 clinical data in December 2020 was similar to Pfizer-BioNTech’s—both vaccines showed about 95% efficacy for prevention of COVID. Later data on real-world effectiveness for adults showed that the protection from the mRNA two-dose primary series wanes over time, but booster doses brought the immune system back to robust levels.
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Actually educate yourselves! Pharma companies do not share knowledge, R&D or any resources with each other and you think every vaccine was the same lol? What ignorance, do you know how anything is manufactured anything that we put R&D and development into becomes trade secret and confidential I mean that's why analysts from the CIA have gone to work and for private security firms in the realm of industrial espionage so they can steal these secrets from us!

I can't even get the various layers of silo compartmentalization within Pfizer to work together and agree because they don't even share knowledge or information with each other! I've got PGS, Pfizer Global Supply which supply chain and manufacturing. I've got Pfizer Digital which owns digital and electronic software systems. I've got PGS, Pfizer Global Engineering that does global engineering a d core solutions that works closely with Digital but not PGS! And that's just three of about a hundred different layers within 'Pfizer" with whom do you lay blame for for anything that you can even prove that we did wrong or harmed anyone? That is the FDA's the FDA is not part of the federal government! They aren't controlled by politicians!
 

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compartmentalization

Key word here! Exactly. Same word used to make people "think" they are doing God's work when in fact it's the banality of evil.

...from us!

I'm not gonna tell you what to do, but I really would drop the "us" when you talk about a Big Corp. It is never "us", it is "them" and you're just a cog. They will throw you in the garbage whenever they deem you to be trash. You're nothing to them.
 

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never used social distance
During those days I spoke with someone from Norway who told me they can't wait for the 2 meters social distancing regulations to be over, so they can go back to their usual 5 meters :ROFLMAO:
 

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Yes that is actually very true... but during Covid I socially stood closer to people out of spite.
 

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Yeah I can it was the Pfizer bi valent vaccine which was an mRNA cocktail of five different strains variants it was about 92% effective for seniors and elderly which is the demographic most apt to die! I will find it and provide it absolutely!

Excellent, I look forward to appraising that data/evidence.

Once again I'm not talking about the job the shot there's no f****** such thing it was probably in all 50 different vaccines developed by 20 different drug companies some were a scam unscrupulous killed people and we're completely ineffective maybe you've heard of the Johnson & Johnson blood clot problem there's a reason why That vaccine was eliminated right away but you guys don't know or care about that do you

I'm well aware of all the various vaccines that were being developed, were developed and are still being developed. I tracked them all before the first ones were authorised and rolled out. You can find lists of them all here:


If you look at the post I made earlier with 100s of links to news articles of people who had died shortly after being vaccinated, you'll see there are links there for both the temporary suspension of the Astrazeneca vaccine and the suspension of the J&J vaccine.
All I see there is the huge vaccine war that occurred with numerous people trying to "Dis" or "poo poo" the other vaccines so that their company would come out on top of the popularity war. Every Pharmaceutical took part in that propaganda war imo.

The primary goal imho was the green lighting approval of the mRNA platform/technology itself because it represented the Holy Grail of "vaccines". The Covid pandemic was irrelevant. What mattered was that mRNA was deemed "proven" and "safe and effective" because that means that EVERY vaccine from this moment on, Flu, Covid-21, Shingles, Monkeypox, whatever, will become an mRNA vaccine and for Pharmaceuticals that is literally printing money. Vaccine development was previously difficult, hard, it took a lot of careful testing which took years of effort, and THAT WAS FOR GOOD REASON !! Prior to Covid the quickest time any vaccine had gone through the APPROPRIATE testing phases to approval was 4-8 years. The mRNA platform means Pharma can knock out these treatments in no time at all and with all that complex long testing phase side-stepped and thus far far less costs. mRNA as a tech is thus worth TRILLIONS in the long term which is why NOTHING BUT NOTHING was allowed to get in the way of the Emergency Usage Authorisation the FDA gave it during the pandemic. EUA can NOT be granted if there existed viable alternative treatments and such did exist, like Ivermectin for which over 100 studies attest here:


Hence this really cheap $3 drug, one of the SAFEST drugs known to humans, having been in use for over 50 years and administered to BILLIONS of humans, was suddenly decried by the Pharma industry and all its useful idiots in the food chain. Using the MSM they derided its use for treating Covid, pushed aside the 100s of studies and set about a smear campaign calling it "horse dewormer" and labeling anyone who claimed its efficacy against Covid as a lunatic and anti-vaxxer. It's this blatant Modus Operandi that demonstrates how pathetically wicked and greedy the Pharmaceuticals are. They suppress science that opposes or competes against their products.

They conduct brainwashing media propaganda campaigns. Indeed you can read the well known evidence of this by reading the Powerpoint presentation of CDC, Glen Nowak, Ph.D.Associate Director for Communications National Immunization Program which can be found here:


If you scroll down (or search for the term) you will see the page entitled:

“Recipe” that Fosters Higher Interest and and Demand for Influenza Vaccine (1)

This is a CDC director instructing his direct reports on how they can strike fear and panic into the public in order to increase demand for the Flu shots. It states on the subsequent pages:

3. Medical experts and public health authorities publicly (e.g., via media) state concern and alarm (and predict dire outcomes)–and urge influenza vaccination.

4. The combination of ‘2’ and ‘3’ result in:
A. Significant media interest and attention
B. Framing of the flu season in terms that motivate behavior (e.g., as “very severe,” “more severe than last or past years,” “deadly”)



It's right there. Nowak is recommending that "medical experts" use the media to "publicly state concern and alarm", predict dire outcomes and frame the flu season as being "deadly", which of course happens every year.

Every year in the UK we get pathetic scaremongering adverts from the NHS saying this year's Flu will be the worst ever, deadly and that you need to get vaxxed to save yourself. It's pathetic. As has been adequately proven in my previous posts, the Flu shots were systematically reviewed by Cochrane who concluded that you have to vax 71 people just to prevent ONE case of Flu. The entire this is imho a colossal sham, a disgusting greed fueled money making pile of BS.

Human health is being routinely exploited by these greedy conglomerates. They get impunity from governments so that we, the little people can't effectively sue or prosecute these companies when we are harmed by their products. Any fines they get are laughable compared to the profits they make. It's corrupt from top to bottom imho. They routinely get away with murder.

Look at the Thalidomide drug. It took years before governments and Pharma eventually admitted that it was horribly dangerous to pregnant women. Water under the bridge now but we must never forget the standard Modus Operandi. State that everything is "safe and effective" until the very last moment.

Not long ago, round 2009, we had the Swine Flu scam. Another virus outbreak that was imo falsely declared to be a pandemic and which saw governments pressured to invest in huge stocks of the vaccine Pandemrix. It was all presented as "Safe and effective" and NHS workers in the UK were heavily pressured to take the shots. That lead to a number of disastrous consequences such as:

These NHS Staff Were Told The Swine Flu Vaccine Was Safe, And Now They're Suffering The Consequences
https://www.buzzfeed.com/shaunlintern/these-nhs-staff-were-told-the-swine-flu-vaccine-was-safe

Brain-Damaged UK Victims of Swine Flu Vaccine to Get £60 Million Compensation
https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/brain-dam...u-vaccine-get-60-million-compensation-1438572

Ministers lose fight to stop payouts over swine flu jab narcolepsy cases
https://www.theguardian.com/science...top-payouts-in-swine-flu-jab-narcolepsy-cases


The link between Pandemrix and Narcolepsy was been established and accepted by GSK, the manufacturer. It was not made up, there are no "doubts", it is real.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/07/why-pandemic-flu-shot-caused-narcolepsy

"The manufacturer, GlaxoSmithKline (GSK), has acknowledged the link, and some patients and their families have already been awarded compensation. The manufacturer, GlaxoSmithKline (GSK), has acknowledged the link, and some patients and their families have already been awarded compensation"


"The association was too strong to ignore and after its acknowledgement, GSK began coughing up compensation money to affected families. Finally, scientists may have an explanation for this bizarre situation, which has also furthered our understanding of the condition. According to a new study published in Science Translational Medicine, the vaccine triggered the generation of antibodies that targeted both the virus and a population of brain cells critical to the regulation of sleep-wake cycles."

Also confirmed by the CDC here:

"An increased risk of narcolepsy was found following vaccination with Pandemrix, a monovalent 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccine that was used in several European countries during the H1N1 influenza pandemic. This risk was initially found in Finland, and then other European countries also detected an association"


Pandemrix was not licensed for use in the USA but was in Europe which saw this sudden rise in Narcolepsy cases.

Pandemrix was subsequently withdrawn from use in the European Union


So time and time again we see that when Pharmaceuticals and governments claim that a vaccine or treatment is "safe and effective" it later turns out to be quite the opposite. And it is this that warns us that we must NEVER skip or side-step or short-cut vaccine testing protocols. Such tests SHOULD TAKE YEARS to make sure of any long term problems.

The mRNA technology imho side-steps this. Even when the mRNA vaccines were rolling out (both Pfizer and Moderna) the vaccines trials were still ON-GOING at that time. They were set to run for 2 years and I've already provided the source references for this. So people were taking shots that were not fully tested. Shots that were born out of Gene Therapy and which imho demanded years of thorough testing before being administered. In effect the pandemic was imo used to conduct the largest ever vaccine test of humans using people as guinea pigs, with no realistic informed consent in order to green light the mRNA technology for future vaccines.

This is imo Nuremburg Trial territory and there should come a reckoning of what has transpired, how it was done, who did it and many people need to go to jail as a result.

Excess Deaths are now rising all over the world to imo alarming levels and no-one is interested to properly investigate why that is.
 
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Good God man that's an annecdotal article making comment on various vaccines. What kind of scientist are you ?!!!

The article simply parrots Pfizer's own sales pitch and cites the very same vaccine trial that I already cited myself and gave a source link to. I've explained why that claim of "95% effective" is complete sleight of hand bamboozlement. It was a "Relative difference" rather than an "Absolute difference".

I've quoted you the actual numbers from that vaccine trial. I've explained that the real Absolute difference the vaccine had was just 0.7%.

You can not be a scientist or objective medical practitioner and ignore that data. It's plain fact.
 

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Awani said:
never used social distance

You were quite right to do so imo. The entire "social distancing" thing was a total scam and served only as a way to frighten the masses more and make the entire pandemic thing seem more real.

The science told us that the aerosol spray from a sneeze will travel up to 10 feet

See how a sneeze can launch germs much farther than 6 feet​

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/coronavirus-covid-sneeze-fluid-dynamics-in-photos

This Slo-Mo Sneeze Video Shows Just How Far Spray Clouds Can Spread​


"Bourouiba’s analysis shows that just standing a few feet away from a sick patient doesn't remove them from the firing zone. Tiny droplets can hover in a room for several minutes and zip across an entire room in mere seconds."


So the social distancing regime was a complete scam. Equally the plastic screen that went up on all shop/store tills was equally ridiculous because droplets would of course go over the top of them.

Worse still, the science also told us that droplets from sneezes and coughs can linger floating in the air for up to 3 HOURS !!

So no matter where you stood in a store you could be breathing in the droplets from a customer that came in before you hours earlier.

Social distancing was a total scam imo

Mask wearing likewise was a total scam. Utterly pointless unless your mask was a qualified N95/FFP3 type mask which almost nobody wore because they restrict the air so much you can't wear them comfortably for more than about 30 mins. The flimsy paper masks most people bought and wore were absolutely pointless and useless. It was like putting a chicken wire fence up to keep out mosquitoes !

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Latest John Campbell commentary on the alarming rise in unexpected Excess Deaths that apparently correlate with the roll-out of the vaccines. It contains parts of a GB News interview with Professor Dalgleish who says it like it is. As ever, the establishment is simply not interested in doing any kind of proper investigation as to the primary cause of these awful Excess Death figures.

 
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Humans are primitive intellectually!

This and other statements of like kind were thrown around in previous pages, and while the others dealt with the scientific meat of the issue, and I see no need to beat that dead horse, the above mentality is, imo, the root of a deeper issue, which spawned the Rona and it's ill-begotten "helpers".

In short, you are also human. You are as "intellectually primitive" as you hold everyone else to be. The pride exhibited in these lashings is indicative of the fundamental disease that plagues us: people who were supposed to represent us and our interests, started seeing themselves as superior to us, and now see themselves as our leaders, benefactors, overlords etc.
You're not. You're a flawed one of us, just like we are.
I don't doubt your intentions may have been good, to want to help save lives etc.
But they didn't.
You aided the problem, and for the same reason you won't/can't cite a proper source here: you think you're better than everyone, and you think you deserve something for it ($80 an hour I believe is what you stated), which really overshadows any desire to "help", since everything here is freely offered by those that contribute - the gain is the helping of others.

Pride is your drug of choice which you use to deaden yourself to the cries of the masses. Mammon is your god, and you served up countless people on that altar with your experimental gene therapy.

I highly recommend taking a long look in a mirror at the state of your humanity, and repenting.

I know a few doctors and it is very interesting that they claim the same thing about "other" diseases. They live in a bubble and are not allowed to learn about alternatives. For instance in my country a doctor who prescribes silver would lose his license, thus he "thinks" silver is mumbo-jumbo... and a doctor that knows it is not has to risk everything to recommend it.

My family is almost never sick and we use a lot of silver... if the authorities find this out they could remove our kids from our care. That is how fucked up it is. Same story with CBD oils and I am sure the same story with other "substances" in other countries.

This is very true and one of the reasons I like the niche I'm in. Do you know how many people I've gone to who couldn't afford their epilepsy meds, and so we tell em about CBD? Or my coworkers, when the usual drugs don't work on an illness of theirs (cause we are always exposed to resistant strains), so I make them something with gold or silver, or propolis (highly recommend propolis tincture btw), and fix their problem in a few days. Etc
Quietly recommending and dispensing real medicine to those that need it, this is the way. :cool:


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Quietly recommending and dispensing real medicine to those that need it, this is the way

Not just those who need, in my experience, but also those who are ready for it. Big difference between the two.
 

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Not just those who need, in my experience, but also those who are ready for it. Big difference between the two.
Absolutely.
But never know if planting the seed this time, makes them ready next time.

Example: Two coworkers sick with whatever crud is going around, one accepts my propolis tincture, one doesn't. The one who did gets better, the one who didn't sees this, and wishes they had - now they are ready. ;)

Trickier, of course, with the general public, but still. Large changes start as small suggestions. :)
 

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I wish the new Like button was still active 😉
 

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Quietly recommending and dispensing real medicine to those that need it, this is the way. :cool:

Bless you. I agree, this is the right thing to do for those who have good medicine.
 

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Example: Two coworkers sick with whatever crud is going around, one accepts my propolis tincture, one doesn't.

Hi Seth

I think your propolis tincture manufacture and use would be a good thread to explain it's virtues to those that have no knowledge of it.
 

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Although it is a lot of hoopla, there is a chance of being killied by the outbreak of COVID-19. So here's my question... what is a good cure for this virus? a lot of people say colloidal silver, but that's not proven.
Vitamin C and raw vegetables along with natural water.
 

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These psychopathy Government Officials are covering the Excess deaths, that’s happening globally but feeding us with new Covid 19 / Some new variants. More people dying In United States of America and here in the United Kingdom because of the vaccine extermination program (categorised as Excess Deaths).
 

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Vitamin C and raw vegetables along with natural water.

Our innate and adaptive immune systems are, for the vast majority of people, perfectly capable of dealing with the virus as well as Flu and ILIs and the like. Of course this requires that we live sensibly and eat a diet that maintains that important immune system. Binge drinking for example will impair the system.

To supplement that I personally took Zinc (picolinate) tablets and high strength Vit D3 (4000) over winter but when there's sunshine I'd expose myself as much as possible to get the Vit D3 from there.

Things definitely NOT to take imho are painkillers like paracetamols, Neurofens etc because these medications will force your fever down and that is something you do not want to do imho. Lots of people are totally ignorant about the role of a fever. It's NOT a bad thing caused by a virus. It's a GOOD thing and is your body's first line of defense against invading pathogens. Your body raises its temperature because that PREVENTS BUGS FROM MULTIPLYING/REPLICATING. It disables temporarily that productive process. Thus it limits the quantity of the pathogen to what it currently is, and then it sends in the antibodies and white knight blood cells to kill off what bug there is. Stupid people reach for paracetamols, force their fever down thinking that's a good thing to do and guess what happens? The pathogen just replicates and replicates and quickly swarms the body to the extent that the immune system can't cope, it is overwhelmed. This imho is why lots of older people end up with Flu/ILIs that progress to pneumonia. They've taken pain killers and thus obstructed their own body's defense mechanism and thus become utterly overrun with huge quantities of the pathogen.
I believe Zinc also helps prevent bugs from replicating.
 
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Those painkillers causes pain. One side effect of headache pills is headaches. Years ago I had headaches and I started eating those pills and as soon as I stopped eating I got headaches… so I had to keep eating them.

The only way out of that loop was to suffer the headache until it was gone without pills.
 

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Something to consider

Excess Deaths are spiralling all over the world and coincide with the rollout of the vaccines. Government's do not want to investigate the cause. The media is keeping a tight wrap on the whole thing. However the scientific and medical communities are clearly aware of the problem.

This means that the elites NEED to MANUFACTURE another cause to explain away the 100,000s of excess deaths.

What's the most obvious way they can/will do that?

Very obviously they ARE going to have to start proclaiming there is another strain of deadly Covid or a new bug that is causing the deaths. What other options do they have? They can not afford for the world to prove that the vaccines are the cause.

So we MUST imo expect that (probably during this coming year 2024) they will start once again to use the media to push propaganda messages of a new strain or new virus for which (yet again) drastic measures will need to be taken.

A 5 yr old could figure out this ridiculous script.

Yet so many millions of duped people will swallow it hook, line and sinker.
 

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The long covid concept is the dumbest shit I’ve heard in decades.
 

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Something to consider

Excess Deaths are spiralling all over the world and coincide with the rollout of the vaccines. Government's do not want to investigate the cause. The media is keeping a tight wrap on the whole thing. However the scientific and medical communities are clearly aware of the problem.

This means that the elites NEED to MANUFACTURE another cause to explain away the 100,000s of excess deaths.

What's the most obvious way they can/will do that?

Very obviously they ARE going to have to start proclaiming there is another strain of deadly Covid or a new bug that is causing the deaths. What other options do they have? They can not afford for the world to prove that the vaccines are the cause.

So we MUST imo expect that (probably during this coming year 2024) they will start once again to use the media to push propaganda messages of a new strain or new virus for which (yet again) drastic measures will need to be taken.

A 5 yr old could figure out this ridiculous script.

Yet so many millions of duped people will swallow it hook, line and sinker.
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