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Do you have any other preferable texts that spell out principles, akin to the GCH?
The Ruesenstein book in RAMS contains some wonderful pearls with regard to Principles. The pearls are spread out in between the various "recipes". But the Golden Chain is the One Treasure Chest that opens all the others. Ruesenstein is a close second, if you ask me. But one has to read it attentively.
 

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It may or may not come as a surprise, but the only alchemical text that I have ever put the effort to understand is the Golden Chain of Homer.

From that I have been able to deduct all of my understanding of Alchemy. Aside from things concerning the self generating nature of the Sulfur which was a gift from the people at AF.

And that is because the GCH is a thorough and true example of how to apply Hermetic Vision and a deep consideration of the Elements and how to distinguish them in the world, how they interact, what their effects are, how to use those effect... etc....

Obviously I'm missing many pieces to the puzzle, but I can testify that my longing for alchemy has been largely fulfilled via this simple mechanism.

I will add that, that includes the full theory and practise of SM production, despite that the book doesn't really discuss that, since the GCH holds all the principals from which all other things can be deducted. Imo
 

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It may or may not come as a surprise, but the only alchemical text that I have ever put the effort to understand is the Golden Chain of Homer.

From that I have been able to deduct all of my understanding of Alchemy. Aside from things concerning the self generating nature of the Sulfur which was a gift from the people at AF.

And that is because the GCH is a thorough and true example of how to apply Hermetic Vision and a deep consideration of the Elements and how to distinguish them in the world, how they interact, what their effects are, how to use those effect... etc....

Obviously I'm missing many pieces to the puzzle, but I can testify that my longing for alchemy has been largely fulfilled via this simple mechanism.

I will add that, that includes the full theory and practise of SM production, despite that the book doesn't really discuss that, since the GCH holds all the principals from which all other things can be deducted. Imo

nice @elixirmixer.
Good to see you here. :)
 

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Attraction, like this?

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Hi Argento Vivo nice photo beautiful crystals what are they they look like fluorite crystals?

Argento Vivo very sorry if I'm late replying on Marcasite impregnation attraction with it of the sm and method with it ancient 13 letters RC and the Glauber with its sweet oil of vitriol taken from the astral sm impregnation of the Marcassite. the Aurora of Paracelsus etc The Antimony etc and uranio of Albert Riedel alias Fr Albertus and and maybe ? by him Fr albertus method with antimony the extraction of his alleged ? sm?... etc
but sorry, the topic is vast and I have to take time to elaborate it well with quotes, all the references i must try ( and this is not esay) to attach all books and more
But I'll post everything soon
regard
 
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The Ruesenstein book in RAMS contains some wonderful pearls with regard to Principles.
As an appetizer, here are some of the many gems from Ruesenstein's book:

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Yea. A little bit of quick paint action! Just having a little fun!
 

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This thread has been really helpful, along with some concurrent ones happening elsewhere on the Forums.
A lot of clarity.

Here, however, are a couple of things I am stumped on, with some brewing possibilities in my mind.

Les Recreations Hermetiques:

This Fire, which is contained in the Center of all bodies, needs a certain movement to acquire this attractive and universal property which is so necessary for you, and there is only one body in the world where it is found with this condition, yet it is so common that it is found wherever man can go.

Elsewhere, on the Forums, in some other thread, @Andro and/or @True Initiate had written something which may very well act as a direct answer to my question - based on the Les Recreations quote above - What does it mean to need a certain movement?

electricity is connection to awaken the Spiritus Mundi

Not only electricity is a 'mover', but also light (sunlight, direct or polarized), common fire (similar to the sun), or various sorts of plasma... Among other 'movers'...
It's not in vain that rain after a lightning storm is considered 'better' than just plain rain...
I agree that this can be an excellent line of research.
I would throw in that the light is electro-magnetic wave. It's Father is the Sun as Hermes states. If you read Cyliani carefully you will notice that all the vases and flasks in the Temple when he encounters the Dragon were made of crystal or Quartz. This is the right Vessel without which nothing can be achieved in the Wet Path
. (I believe this was initially written by TrueInitiate)

As previously stated Quartz under pressure gives off electricity, this is called piezoelectric effect. A flask made of Quartz will do the same thing. For example pour fresh dew into crystal flask add little sea salt (which acts as a electrolyte by the way) and then close it with a stopper and light a candle under it. The pressure will be built inside the crystal and electricity will be the consequence. (something interesting to try for sure)

So... I am not sure what this matter that is so common that it is found wherever man can go...
is this a play on words for "go to the bathroom?"

Another curiosity for me, which does not make any sense, is, speaking of the gathering of the astral spirit the magnetic (in the form of the cross)

Zadkiel
It must be gathered after sunset, when the Moon is at or near her full; and the wind must not blow violently at this time; the Sun's rays are reflected by the Moon, and the air is strongly impregnated with the astral fluid, or nitre; it is adviseable to turn to the north during the time of gathering; and if the student has been fortunate enough to divine the attractor of this fluid, let him seek it in A MINE OF THIRTY YEARS STANDING, and he will then be able to obtain the spirit in the form of a viscous fluid
I know the significance of turning to the north.
And now, I understand what this viscous fluid is, which is to be sought, in a good natural place, in a mine of thirty years standing.
but why would one need to do so pointing to the north?

I get that the astral fluid comes from the north...
but, if one is gathering the dripping viscous fluid in the Interior of the Earth - ie mine of 30 years standing -
then why would gathering it to the north have any relevance or significance?
It would already be naturally saturated wherever it was found.
it can be brought to a higher level of rectification as well, but it is impregnated already being in the Earth in that fashion.
 

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This thread has been really helpful, along with some concurrent ones happening elsewhere on the Forums.
A lot of clarity.

Here, however, are a couple of things I am stumped on, with some brewing possibilities in my mind.

"and there is only one body in the world where it is found with this condition, yet it is so common that it is found wherever man can go. "

Logically it would seem that the "only body" in question then is the human body. Thus wherever man can go there is still man and thus a human body. I have long believed that the secret to the real Stone we seek must involve the human body in some way. For surely we need the seed of man as our blueprint for any remedy we create, not the seed of vegetables or minerals etc?


What does it mean to need a certain movement?

From the Golden Chain Of Homer:

"What we call Nature especially, is the universal fire or Anima Mundi, filling the whole system of the Universe, and therefore is a Universal Agent, omnipresent, and endowed with an unerring instinct, and manifests itself in fire and Light. It is the First creature of Divine Omnipotence."

Thus God created first this invisible fire and endowed it with an unerring Instinct and a Capacity to manifest
itself in 3 Principles.

"1. In its Original most Universal state it is perfectly invisible, immaterial, cold and occupies no space, in this tranquil state it is of no use to us, yet in this unmoved state it is omnipresent.

2. In its second state it is manifested by motion or agitation into light. In this state it was separated out of the Chaos, when God said, "Let there be Light." Yet it is still cold. When gently moved or agitated, it manifests warmth and Heat, as in the case in all Frictions and in Fermentation of moist things.

3. When collected in a sufficient quantity, and violently agitated it is manifested into burning fire. This continues burning as long as it is agitated, and has a fit subject to act upon; when that fails, it returns to its first state of tranquil Universality. In the character of burning fire it manifests Light and Heat."


Another curiosity for me, which does not make any sense, is, speaking of the gathering of the astral spirit the magnetic (in the form of the cross)

I know the significance of turning to the north.
And now, I understand what this viscous fluid is, which is to be sought, in a good natural place, in a mine of thirty years standing.
but why would one need to do so pointing to the north?

I get that the astral fluid comes from the north...
but, if one is gathering the dripping viscous fluid in the Interior of the Earth - ie mine of 30 years standing -
then why would gathering it to the north have any relevance or significance?
It would already be naturally saturated wherever it was found.
it can be brought to a higher level of rectification as well, but it is impregnated already being in the Earth in that fashion.

The texts are seldom speaking literally imho so if it says "a mine of 30 years standing" it's not talking about an actual mine or cave.
Here's your quote again:

"It must be gathered after sunset, when the Moon is at or near her full; and the wind must not blow violently at this time; the Sun's rays are reflected by the Moon, and the air is strongly impregnated with the astral fluid, or nitre; it is adviseable to turn to the north during the time of gathering; and if the student has been fortunate enough to divine the attractor of this fluid, let him seek it in A MINE OF THIRTY YEARS STANDING, and he will then be able to obtain the spirit in the form of a viscous fluid"

If you were deep in the bowels of the earth in a mine or cave then there would be no wind blowing violently would there ? . . . and thus there would be no need for the text to warn us of violent winds. So we can be sure it's yet another allegorical phrase referring to something else, again imho.

In years gone by, a person's belly was referred to as their "candle-mine", it being their own store of fat (from the time when candles were made of tallow).
 

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"and there is only one body in the world where it is found with this condition, yet it is so common that it is found wherever man can go. "

Logically it would seem that the "only body" in question then is the human body. Thus wherever man can go there is still man and thus a human body. I have long believed that the secret to the real Stone we seek must involve the human body in some way. For surely we need the seed of man as our blueprint for any remedy we create, not the seed of vegetables or minerals etc?

There are plenty of texts that state this openly, about man.
Some almost obviously, but with just a little veiling.


From the Golden Chain Of Homer:

"What we call Nature especially, is the universal fire or Anima Mundi, filling the whole system of the Universe, and therefore is a Universal Agent, omnipresent, and endowed with an unerring instinct, and manifests itself in fire and Light. It is the First creature of Divine Omnipotence."

Thus God created first this invisible fire and endowed it with an unerring Instinct and a Capacity to manifest
itself in 3 Principles.

"1. In its Original most Universal state it is perfectly invisible, immaterial, cold and occupies no space, in this tranquil state it is of no use to us, yet in this unmoved state it is omnipresent.

2. In its second state it is manifested by motion or agitation into light. In this state it was separated out of the Chaos, when God said, "Let there be Light." Yet it is still cold. When gently moved or agitated, it manifests warmth and Heat, (Triune One's emphasis >>
as in the case in all Frictions and in Fermentation of moist things.

3. When collected in a sufficient quantity, and violently agitated it is manifested into burning fire. This continues burning as long as it is agitated, and has a fit subject to act upon; when that fails, it returns to its first state of tranquil Universality. In the character of burning fire it manifests Light and Heat."

Excellent quote from GCH.
Gives me a lot to think about.
Thank you.

The texts are seldom speaking literally imho so if it says "a mine of 30 years standing" it's not talking about an actual mine or cave.

In this case, I definitely see that it can, in fact, be a mine that has been abandoned for 30 years.
This makes sense to me.
There may be another meaning too, sure.
There maybe be more than 2.
But in this specific case, I do see the truth behind it being literal.
It brings together some of the other points being made about the nature of the magnet.

Here's your quote again:

"It must be gathered after sunset, when the Moon is at or near her full; and the wind must not blow violently at this time; the Sun's rays are reflected by the Moon, and the air is strongly impregnated with the astral fluid, or nitre; it is adviseable to turn to the north during the time of gathering; and if the student has been fortunate enough to divine the attractor of this fluid, let him seek it in A MINE OF THIRTY YEARS STANDING, and he will then be able to obtain the spirit in the form of a viscous fluid"

If you were deep in the bowels of the earth in a mine or cave then there would be no wind blowing violently would there ? . . . and thus there would be no need for the text to warn us of violent winds. So we can be sure it's yet another allegorical phrase referring to something else, again imho.

yes, that is what is throwing me off a little as well.
I just thought of one possibility.
First go to the mine. We get the magnet. (there are others as well) - but here, we get this particular magnet.
then we face north to impregnate said magnet with astral spirit using Cyliani's / the R+C apparatus for doing so.

if it is the human body, then that becomes simple about what facing north means.
As the wind carries it in its belly and we breathe in the air.

In years gone by, a person's belly was referred to as their "candle-mine", it being their own store of fat (from the time when candles were made of tallow).

Yes. Sure. And the "bowels" of the earth.
There is, no doubt, a potential for going that way of interpretation.
 

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"and there is only one body in the world where it is found with this condition, yet it is so common that it is found wherever man can go. "

Logically it would seem that the "only body" in question then is the human body. Thus wherever man can go there is still man and thus a human body. I have long believed that the secret to the real Stone we seek must involve the human body in some way. For surely we need the seed of man as our blueprint for any remedy we create, not the seed of vegetables or minerals etc?
Yes .... most true Pilgrim.

It's good to see there are still some logical thinkers on the forum.

The Alchemist starts with the mineral/metallic realm then the plant realm then the human body as with the Blood Stone .... this is the Universal Quintessence of Blood not the Particular Quintessence of Blood.

The only substance that can extract the Universal Quintessence is "Pure" Our Mercury.
 

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In this case, I definitely see that it can, in fact, be a mine that has been abandoned for 30 years.
This makes sense to me.
There may be another meaning too, sure.
There maybe be more than 2.
But in this specific case, I do see the truth behind it being literal.
It brings together some of the other points being made about the nature of the magnet.

yes, that is what is throwing me off a little as well.
I just thought of one possibility.
First go to the mine. We get the magnet. (there are others as well) - but here, we get this particular magnet.
then we face north to impregnate said magnet with astral spirit using Cyliani's / the R+C apparatus for doing so.

if it is the human body, then that becomes simple about what facing north means.
As the wind carries it in its belly and we breathe in the air.

Re: A MINE OF THIRTY YEARS STANDING

I decided to do a little bit of homework for the benefit of readers and myself. It may or may not avail us.

I have worked through about 80 alchemy documents, works, treatises etc and searched for the term "mine" or "mines" to see where else this (imho) allegorical term is used. There are quite a few so here are my findings for what they are worth(I have highlighted in bold the terms I think are key):

The Mystery Of The Cathedrals - Fulcanelli

"Thus we see the first matter of the Work expressed symbolically as a book, sometimes open, sometimes closed, according to whedier it has been worked, or merely extracted from the mine. Sometimes, when this book is shown closed—indicating the raw mineral substance—-it is not uncommon to see it sealed with seven bands. These are the marks of the seven successive operations, which enable it to be opened, each one breaking one of the seven fastening seals. This is the Great Book of Nature, whose pages hold the revelation of the profane sciences and of the sacred mysteries. It is simple in style, easy to read, providing always that one knows where to find it—which is very hard—and, above all, that one knows how to open it—which is even more difficult"

"Here truth lies veiled under two distinct images, those of the oak and the ram, which, as I have just been saying, represent one and the same thing under two different aspects. Indeed, the oak has always been taken by the ancient authors to indicate the common name of their initial subject as it is found in the mine. It is by means of an approximation corresponding to the oak that the Philosophers inform us about this matter. The phrase I use may sound ambiguous. I am sorry about that, but I cannot speak more clearly without overstepping certain limits. Only those who are initiated in the language of the gods will understand without any difficulty, since they possess the keys to unlock all doors, whether of science or of religion."



A Tract Of Great Price Concerning The Philosophical Stone.
Published By A German Sage In The Year 1423,


"Now, if this vaporous moisture become mixed with a pure, subtle, and earthy substance, it is the quicksilver of the Sages; if it be reduced to a fiery and earthy hardness, it becomes the sulphur of the Sages. This enquiry opens up the way of finding our quicksilver, or first substance of the metals, but though it be found in great quantities in all mines, it is known only to very few. It is not silver, or gold, or common quicksilver, or any metal, or sulphur. The Sage says: It is a vaporous substance out of four elements, watery and pure, and though it is found with all metals. it is not matured in those which are imperfect. Hence it must be sought in the ore, in which we find gold and silver."


Aphorisms of Urbigerus

"XIV. Out of this our Gold, or undetermined Green-Dragon, without the addition of any other created thing whatsoever, we know how through our Universal Menstruum to extract all our Elements. or Principles, necessary for the performance of our great Work: Which is Our first way of preparing the Grand Elixir and since this our first Chaos is to be had without any Expense, as costing only the trouble of digging it out of the Mines, This is not unfitly called the only way of the Poor."


Compound of Compounds
by Albertus Magnus


Chapter IV
"Of the Sublimation of the Mercury
In the name of God, procure yourself a pound of pure mercury issuing from the mine. Of the other portion, take of Roman Vitriol and of common calcined salt, pulverize and mix well. Put these two latest matters into a large glazed earthenware flask and set over a mild fire until the matter begins to melt and flow."


The Dwellings of the Philosophers
by Fulcanelli


"These stems set a kind of open almond, inside which we can catch sight of a vase decorated with scales and containing flower buds, fruit, and ears of corn. Here is the hieroglyphic expression of vegetation, nutrition, and the growth of the newborn body previously discussed. The corn alone, purposely placed next to the flowers and fruit, is a very revealing symbol. Its Greek name [*213-1] (zea) derives from the Greek [*213-2] (zao), meaning to live, subsist, exist. The scaly vase represents the primitive substance which nature offers to the artists, extracted from the mine and with which he begins his labor. From it he extracts the diverse elements which he needs; with and through it his entire labor is accomplished. Philosophers have described it in the image of the black dragon covered with scales, which the Chinese call Loung, whose analogy with the hermetic monster is perfect"

"The antimony of the sages, raw matter directly extracted from the mine, "is not properly mineral, and even less metallic as Philalethes (30) teaches us; but without partaking of these two substances it is something between one and the other. It is not corporeal however, because it is entirely volatile; it is not spirit because it liquefies like metal in fire. It is therefore a chaos which stands in stead of mother to all metals". It is the metallic and mineral flower ([*235-3] --anthemon), the first rose, black in truth, which has remained down here as a part of the elementary chaos."

"Under the guise of this wonderful tale an important secret is hidden, that of the preparation of the hermetic subject or the
Work’s raw material, and the obtaining of the sulfur, the stone’s primum ens. Danae represents our crude mineral, such as it is extracted from the mine. It is the earth of the sages which contains within it the active and hidden spirit, alone capable, says Hermes. Of realizing "by these things the miracle of only one thing". As a matter of fact, the word Danae comes from the Dorian Greek [*303-1] (Dan), earth, and [*303-2] (ae), breath, spirit. Philosophers teach that their raw material is a fragment of the original chaos and it is indeed what is meant by the name Acrisius, king of Argos and Danae’s father:"

"This devil, an image of material coarseness as opposed to spirituality, is the hieroglyph for the first mineral substance such

as it is found in metal-bearing deposits where miners go in order to tear it therefrom. It was formerly represented as the figure
of Satan, in Notre-Dame de Paris, and the faithful, as a token of their scorn and aversion, came to put out their candles by
plunging them in its mouth, that it held open. It was for the people, Master Pierre of Coignet (1), our corner stone and the
original block on which the entire Work is built.

It must be agreed that to be symbolized under such a deformed and monstrous appearance --dragon, serpent, vampire, devil,
Tarasqu. Etc. ---this unfortunate subject must have fallen into disgrace with Nature. In truth, its appearance has nothing
seductive about it. Black, scaly, often covered with red spots or a yellow, crumbly and dull coating, having a strong and
nauseous odor which the philosophers define as toxicum et venenum, it stains fingers when it is touched and seems to
assemble within itself all that which can displease. Yet it is, this primitive subject of the sages, vile and despised by the

ignorant ones, which is the only one, the sole dispense of the celestial water, our first mercury, and the great Alkahest"

"The mine there is in lodes. ---I. Ascoria surfaces above the combination, formed in fire, of the pure parts of the vile mineral matter, Under the scoria, a friable, granulous water can be found. It is the lode of the metallic ore. [A] ---II. Kohl-Stein, near Zwickau,. There is a good lode of lead grits and marcasite. Further away, in Gabel, there is a smith called Morgen-Stern who knows where there is a good mine and underground tunnel into which crevices were dug. In it are yellow settings where the metal is malleable. ---Such is the Stone Kohl (7), concretion of the pure parts of the manure or the vile mineral Matter. It is a friable and granulous lode which is born from iron, tin, and lead. It alone bears the imprint of the solar Ray. It is the expert artisan in the art of steelwork. The sages call it the Morning Star. It knows what the artist is looking for, It is the underground path which leads to the
yellow, malleable and pure gold."


The Hermetic Museum

"Jealous Sages have named many waters and metals and stones, simply for the purpose of deceiving you; herein the philosophers would warn us that they have used secrecy, lest the whole mystery should be manifested before all the world.
Those who follow the letter of their directions are sure to be led astray, and to miss entirely the true foundation of our Art. The fault, however, lies not with the Sages so much as with the ignorance of their readers. The Sages name it a stone; and so it is a stone, which is dug up from our mine. They speak of metals, and there are such things as metals liquefied from our ore. They speak of water; but our water we obtain from our own spring. The red and white sulphur they refer to are obtained from our air. Their salt is obtained from our salt mines. It is our Sun, our verdigris, halonitre, alkali, orpiment, arsenic, our poison, our medicine, etc. By whatever name they call it they cannot make it more than one thing. It is rightly described by all the Sages, but not plainly enough for the uninitiated enquirer. For such an one knows neither the substance nor its operation. The Sage says: "Relinquish Sun, Moon, and Venus for our ore," i.e., it is not to be found in any earthly metals, but only in our ore. Whoever rightly understands the concluding words of the Sage has received a great blessing at the hand of God."

"For the Stone is prepared out of nothing in the whole world, except this substance, which is essentially one. He who is unacquainted therewith can never attain the Art. It is that one thing which is
not dug up from mines or from the caverns of the earth, like gold, silver, sulphur, salt, &c., but is found in the form which God originally imparted to it. It is formed and manifested by an excessive thickening of air; as soon as it leaves its body, it is clearly seen, but it vanishes without a trace as soon as it touches the earth, and, as it is never seen again, it must therefore be caught while it is still in the air -- as I told you once before. I have called it by various names, but the simplest is perhaps that of "Hyle," or first principle of all things. It is also denominated the One Stone of the Philosophers, composed of hostile elements, the Stone of the Sun. the Stone of the Metals, the runaway slave, the aeriform Stone, the Thirnian Stone, Magnesia, the corporeal Stone, the Stone of the jewel, the Stone of the free, the golden Stone, the fountain of earthly things, Xelis, or Silex (flint), Xidar, or Radix (root), Atrop, or Porta (gate). By these and many other names it is called, yet it is only one. If you would be a true Alchemist, give a wide berth to all other substances, turn a deaf ear to all other advisers, and strive to obtain a good knowledge of our Stone, its preparation, and its virtue."

"It is by no means a light thing to shew the nature of the aforesaid Hyle. Hyle is the first Matter, the Salt of the Sages, Azoth, the seed of all metals, which is extracted from the body of "Magnesia" and the Moon. Hyle is the first principle of all things -- the Matter that was from the beginning. It was neither moist, nor dry, nor earth, nor water, nor light, nor darkness, but a mixture of all these things, and this mixture is HYLE."

"It is not dug out with pick-axes from ordinary mountains, seeing that our Stone is found in our mountains and springs; our Salt is found in our salt-spring, our metal in our earth, and from the same place we dig up our mercury and sulphur. But what we mean by our mines and springs these charlatans cannot understand. For God has blinded their minds and made gross their senses, and left them to carry on their experiments with all manner of false substances. Nor do they seem able to perceive their error, or to be roused from their idle imaginations by persistent failure"



The Golden Chain Of Homer Part 1

"If therefore , a reader has to prepare a remedy for sustaining , preserving and also lengthening his life , he has no reason , if he does
not wish to do to run to mine galleries or earth growths and animals, but he should run to himself . His own urine and excrements are powerful enough to prepare with them the most glorious medicine for himself and his neighbor , for they contain the world spirit as truly as <:::) and J) and the very carbuncle itself . But you must separate the excessive moisture from them and put the pure constituents together . When it is still moist , draw it off in B. M. , and you will find at the bottom a treasure above all treasures for your health. "


Thirteen Secret Letters - Adam Friedrich Boehme

"Although I am quite black, so I’m still beautiful
Visit my mine to ask my sons
They keep me in very high regard when they find me
And call me without shame their Biedermann*
Such I am and I am of my blackness
As fond as perhaps a lively rabbit of its heart.

For my little children are black, green, blue, white and red.
Therefore Basil Valentine says: Talk only to Saturno and he will
give to you a shiny mineral in the hand. Realize this, and if you know
how to work it according to the art, then the vitriol, of which he

speaks, soon comes to light."


Flamel's Summary of Philosophy

"The first coagulation of argent vive is in the mine of saturn; and most fit and proper it is to bring him unto perfection and fixation; for the mine of saturn is not without fixed particles of gold, which particles were imparted to it by nature"


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Quite a lot to go at there

Myself, it seems nailed on that at least one way to begin this art is to use BOTH human faeces (from our mine) and human urine (our spring). I presume at this stage that the first step is to mix the two together and then start purifying via gentle distillations/eagles etc.

What confuses me in some of the texts above is the use of terms black and scaly which presumably refer to something else because generally speaking faeces are not black unless you are ill and have blood in them. So there I think a real mineral like Hematite or Ilmenite is being referred to, both of which are black, brittle and prone to having red spots/streaks. Really unsure about this.

All in all most of the above suggest to me the BOA pee-pee-poo-poo method has validity. But reading this forum suggests there are easier, faster less messy ways.
 

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Quite a lot to go at there

Myself, it seems nailed on that at least one way to begin this art is to use BOTH human faeces (from our mine) and human urine (our spring). I presume at this stage that the first step is to mix the two together and then start purifying via gentle distillations/eagles etc.

What confuses me in some of the texts above is the use of terms black and scaly which presumably refer to something else because generally speaking faeces are not black unless you are ill and have blood in them. So there I think a real mineral like Hematite or Ilmenite is being referred to, both of which are black, brittle and prone to having red spots/streaks. Really unsure about this.

All in all most of the above suggest to me the BOA pee-pee-poo-poo method has validity. But reading this forum suggests there are easier, faster less messy ways.

Great quotes.
They are all over the place and do not describe the same subjects.

I think what is important to recognize, again and again, is that there are many paths to the Stone. Understanding the principles, one can recognize this fact - many paths.
The authors do not tell you which path they're speaking of. I think Fulcanelli is one of the most difficult to understand because of this.

The Golden Chain of Homer Part 1, with that quote, clearly points to urine and feces.
The Quartet path, at least 3 out of the 4 of them, points to man as being one of the places to collect the astral spirit.
through the breath. the breath to the blood. (Oxygen bound by iron in hemoglobin). From the blood to the urine.
(and digestion through feces).
Sure.
Do you want to make the Stone from your faeces?
If it was the ONLY way, then sure... pull up your socks, put a little lavender under your nose, and go to town.
But there are many more elegant ways. Classical ways. Ways that are noble.


Also, is the product that is great for man's health from urine and feces able to make the Stone that transmutes?
I don't know.
Maybe.

It is that one thing which is not dug up from mines or from the caverns of the earth, like gold, silver, sulphur, salt, &c., but is found in the form which God originally imparted to it.
and
"It is not dug out with pick-axes from ordinary mountains,

My emphasis on the text.
Not dug out.
This doesn't mean, per se, that it is not procured from these places.

I think one of the worst deceptions is the idea that the matter can only be found in this or that place, in this or that form.
One can find it ready to go in the mines, or one can find it via retrograded motion from just about any matter.
but, some matters have a lot more of it and are easier to work with.
 

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Great quotes.
They are all over the place and do not describe the same subjects.

I think what is important to recognize, again and again, is that there are many paths to the Stone. Understanding the principles, one can recognize this fact - many paths.
The authors do not tell you which path they're speaking of. I think Fulcanelli is one of the most difficult to understand because of this.

The Golden Chain of Homer Part 1, with that quote, clearly points to urine and feces.
The Quartet path, at least 3 out of the 4 of them, points to man as being one of the places to collect the astral spirit.
through the breath. the breath to the blood. (Oxygen bound by iron in hemoglobin). From the blood to the urine.
(and digestion through feces).
Sure.
Hi Triune One

It is a total waste of time trying to collect Our Mercury ("Pure" Spiritus Mundi) from urine and feces.

The only workable place to collect Our Mercury ("Pure" Spiritus Mundi) is the Mineral/Metallic realm.

Urine and feces can give a Quintessence (Universal or Particular) but that would also be a great waste of time as the Blood holds the greatest amount of available Quintessence in the human body and is easily accessible.
Also, is the product that is great for man's health from urine and feces able to make the Stone that transmutes?
I don't know.
Maybe.
Yes.
 

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Hi Triune One

It is a total waste of time trying to collect Our Mercury ("Pure" Spiritus Mundi) from urine and feces.

The only workable place to collect Our Mercury ("Pure" Spiritus Mundi) is the Mineral/Metallic realm.

Urine and feces can give a Quintessence (Universal or Particular) but that would also be a great waste of time as the Blood holds the greatest amount of available Quintessence in the human body and is easily accessible.

Yes.
hi Black.
I don't understand your "Yes" response.
Because, above, you say, it is a total waste of time trying to collect our mercury... from urine and feces.
but then you say "Yes" to if the urine and feces of man can make a Stone that transmutes.

So it's not a waste of time to make the stone from urine and feces because it can transmute,
but it is a waste of time to try to collect Our Mercury from urine and feces.

i am getting that right about what you're saying?
 

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hi Black.
I don't understand your "Yes" response.
Because, above, you say, it is a total waste of time trying to collect our mercury... from urine and feces.
but then you say "Yes" to if the urine and feces of man can make a Stone that transmutes.

So it's not a waste of time to make the stone from urine and feces because it can transmute,
but it is a waste of time to try to collect Our Mercury from urine and feces.

i am getting that right about what you're saying?
Hi Triune One

Our Mercury ("Pure" Spiritus Mundi) can "not" be collected from urine and feces.

Quintessence can be extracted from urine and feces that a Transmutation Stone can be made from ..... But this is an extremely long and wasteful (in time) way to work.

A Transmutation Stone is much simpler and much faster made from the mineral/metallic realm.

The best way to get a Quintessence (Universal or Particular) from the human body is from the Blood as this is the easiest and has the greatest quantity of Quintessence in it.

The Alchemic Blood Stone is not for those entering into Alchemic Practice as the student needs to start with the Primary Quintessence from the Mineral/Metallic realm and slowly work his/her way up the Alchemic ladder of Quintessential Tinctures.

This can take several years.
 

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Hi Triune One

It is a total waste of time trying to collect Our Mercury ("Pure" Spiritus Mundi) from urine and feces.

The only workable place to collect Our Mercury ("Pure" Spiritus Mundi) is the Mineral/Metallic realm.

Urine and feces can give a Quintessence (Universal or Particular) but that would also be a great waste of time as the Blood holds the greatest amount of available Quintessence in the human body and is easily accessible.

Yes.
Hey, that's right urine is mostly water and urea with much sea salt as extra dietary impurity in it. But separated these things it gives interesting compounds.
But there is Spirit inside it, even in small quantity, and some good substances indeed too. I think of Philalethes' way on antimony regulus purified by some (not mentioned which one of the many) urie salt. Some also stated that the Spirt out of urine or blood is specified to that person, maintaining a link to her/him.

@Pilgrim all those quotes, are they related to each other? (apart from the fact they mention to go to the mine for collecting something)
Because GCH quote is about a spagyrical process (it can help to do it, as it may make understand something on the inner nature of urine, but is not alchemy), the Fulcanelli what path did he/they highlight?
(the Heliopolis group worked on martial-venusian regulus, on mercury compounds as side-works, martial regulus, and many other experiments as those listed in dwellings but all are reputed to be not correct in his texts. Except working on mrrcury but for this Phil. Merc. is needed.)
Albert the Great is speaking of mercury corrosive sublimate. Urbigeres about the undetermined Dragon, the SM. And the 13 Letters about a black matter found outside of man, which some say is marcasitis.
 
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Some also stated that the Spirt out of urine or blood is specified to that person, maintaining a link to her/him.
Yes Argento Vivo it's not the Spirit it is the Quintessence that is extracted from urine or blood and it is Specified if it is the Particular Quintessence.

The Universal Quintessence can also be Extracted (preferably from the Blood) and this is not Specific to that person.
 

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Yes Argento Vivo it's not the Spirit it is the Quintessence that is extracted from urine or blood and it is Specified if it is the Particular Quintessence.

The Universal Quintessence can also be Extracted (preferably from the Blood) and this is not Specific to that person.
I was mentioning that with Maxwell's works and ideas, and some rams tract in mind
 

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The Quartet path, at least 3 out of the 4 of them, points to man as being one of the places to collect the astral spirit.
Any way we choose to explore, the "Astral Spirit" is rendered via the "decomposing" of the source matter, usually by breaking it down (naturally, chemically or otherwise) to release the
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from its "bowels". The "source matter", whether it's an Air and/or a Water and/or an Earth, should be ideally "alive" (i.e. possessing its own internal & attractive Fire/Mover/Archaeus). The "extraction" can be performed spagirically, optically, chemically or by other ingenious means. This is the part mostly referred to as "The Labors of Hercules", which can be easier or harder, depending on our methods of inquiry into the subject matter. The rest can be done with much more simple means.

Worth noting that Spring also carries an allegorical significance. The three months of Spring (Mars, April and May) correspond to their astrological rulers, i.e. Aries/Mars, Taurus/Venus and Gemini/Mercury. "May Dew" refers to the Mercurial Spirit in this case. Mars is the "Fire" and Venus is the "Earth".

In the words of Cyliani's Nymph: "From one by one which is only one are made three, from the three, two, and from the two, one."



Anyway... The Holy Pisskaktum is a Veritable Living Magnet, a real "Triune One", and a very rich one with the Proper Preparation, plentifully endowed with Venus & Mars and our "May Dew". It is a real actual Earth or Antimony, it is a Clay and a Composted Universal Soil. We can remember the "two parabolical rivulets" of St. Didier. Sure, there are other Living "Mineral" Matters in different states & phases, and there are other "rivulets", but we would be in great error to despise what is literally right under our noses. If one has to dig far, one may possibly complicate things unnecessarily. We are the Small Farmers, and our Mines and Fertile Soils are never far from us, even if we occasionally need to "Travel to the End of the World" and reject a few Stones from between the two mountains... or from between the two "Pillars of Hercules", which are obviously ALSO conveniently located "at the end of the word"... @LeoRetilus was right all along about the Validity and Legitimacy of this Source, although there are other Sources, very similar, and the processes follow the same basic protocols, albeit with quite a few variations.



Finally, my sincere recommendation to everyone reading this: It's not an absolute requirement to have personal tutelage (although it may help). If we have a sharp, refined and dot-connecting mind, a good and well-trained intuition, and if we apply ourselves to studying and subsequently applying the classical texts in practice, all the puzzle pieces will eventually fall into place, especially if we do away with any pre-conceived notions we may hold, whether they come from religious indoctrination, from reading forums or from our own imagination. We will eventually discover a certain clear approach to the alchemical operations that ALL the good authors agree on (with some variations between them), which can be probably boiled down and laid out in a few paragraphs. The rest is composed of fillers, blinders or "Ersatz" routes.
 

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I will also add here that a "Bacstrom" type of device can be used to "attract" this "Astral Spirit" required for commencing the first dissolution of the body. Or the R+C variation of such an "apparatus". And we can use it just as Hermetic Recreations recommends, and quite literally so, BUT we need the right magnet to be employed in conjunction with such an "apparatus", otherwise absolutely nothing of interest will happen.

ICH's Naturweg sufficiently describes the 1st Solution of the Body (at least inasmuch as it pertains to the "Quartet" path), and Recreations also generously describes this natural affinity and magnetic coalescence, basically how one "Fire" attracts another "Fire" and the subsequent rendering into a "Water". And even if it may not be the highest possible "concentration" (at least not at first), still, it's more than enough to perform the 1st Solution, as described in Naturweg. Just read and re-read the sections that are relevant to this stage, and all will be made clear in time.

Note: I've deliberately chosen this manner of suggesting (for everyone's consideration) certain alchemical models and sequences of operations, while taking care to base my points on legitimate Alchemical Literature, BUT without revealing anything about my personal avenues of inquiry and without making any "grandiose" claims, because this would not only be very distasteful IMO, but could also potentially block or detract from other avenues of experimentation, which is not my intention, but quite the opposite.
 

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I will also add here that a "Bacstrom" type of device can be used to "attract" this "Astral Spirit" required for commencing the first dissolution of the body. Or the R+C variation of such an "apparatus". And we can use it just as Hermetic Recreations recommends, and quite literally so, BUT we need the right magnet to be employed in conjunction with such an "apparatus", otherwise absolutely nothing of interest will happen.

Cyliani also alludes to a magic astral spirit gathering device.
Something along those lines, I'd reckon.
We can't forget also the good old animal method of collecting astral spirit through the air.
It seems they gave us a couple of ways to do the same thing.

BUT we need the right magnet to be employed in conjunction with such an "apparatus", otherwise absolutely nothing of interest will happen.

both those apparatuses clearly use the vulgar fire.