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Armchair Alchemy: The First Distillation -> Truth from BS

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The most important distillation in our art, and the one that you must master before you even think of commencing any physical lab work, is to learn how to distill the truth from the BS.
I am but an armchair alchemist, but I have already performed many many distillations because there is a heck of a lot of BS in alchemical writings.

In a former job I spent a few years working as an analyst. I was lucky enough to have been taught by some very very smart people and I am forever grateful for that. The field I worked in also had a lot of BS, and so analysis from there to alchemy translated across very nicely.

Every person (or source) can be classified into one of these groups:

Type A: tells everything, never lies
Type B: tells some things, never lies
Type C: tells everything, tells a few lies
Type D: tells some things, tells a few lies
Type E: tells everything, always lies
Type F: tells some things, always lies

There is not a single author on alchemy who are type A, shame really.
Maybe someone will step forward and prove me wrong someday.
There might be about 4-5 alchemy authors who are type B.
There might be a few types E and F.
Almost all of them are types C and D, and these 2 are essentially the same group.
For our purposes types C and D are completely useless, once you identify them, never read
another thing from any of these authors.

Type B should be where you spend most of your energy on with a bit of backup from the types E and F
if you can find em.

Since there is not a single type A source in alchemy.
Anything that never gets mentioned should be considered as the starting substance.
Because nobody is telling the truth, then the thing that never gets mentioned is the one you're looking for.

I can find authors who will name almost anything as the starting substance for alchemy:
Antimony, gold, silver, copper, lead, mercury, cinnabar, vitriol, milk, blood, hair, fingernails, piss, spit, all number of salts, plants, leaves, dew, rain, snow blah blah blah, even shit.

All of these substances are listed as the starting substance to make a material that will create gold.
Yet walk up to any wiley old gold prospector and start up a conversation about how to find the yellow stuff. You won't ever get more than 5 minutes into the conversation before quartz gets mentioned, and that will be with every single one of them.

In all my searching and reading of dozens of alchemy texts I have never yet seen it mentioned.
Quartz is the elephant in the room that nobody dares to acknowledge.

If quartz actually wasn't the starting material for the philosophers stone, I would expect that one of the type E and F authors would mention it, since it is so obvious, they should. Yet they never ever do.

Of course type A sources would certainly mention it, but that is only if there actually are any.

I am not a practicing alchemist.
I have never ever been intiated into any secret information from an alchemist.
In fact no one has ever directly told me anything at all about the actual work.
To an alchemy adept I am but one of the vulgar masses who knows nothing, I am the very kind of person who they want to protect the information from at all costs.

Yet I can imagine that any adepts reading this are probably right now gasping that I have dared to mention the name of their precious starting matter so openly and in a public arena.

Yet knowing this is simple, from basic analysis of the texts written from their own hands to protect the information from people like me. And of course I might be wrong, I honestly don't know that quartz is in fact the starting matter.

I am an armchair alchemist writing from a position of complete ignorance about the true work written about in alchemy texts. Which is of course why I am doing this, if I knew the actual starting substance for a fact, I would probably not be so bold.

Lastly, I believe that Fulcanelli is a type B author.
Judging from his popularity on this forum I would say that opinion is shared by others.
Bacstrom is probably also a type B author, as is LeoRetilus from this forum.

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I can find authors who will name almost anything as the starting substance for alchemy:
Antimony, gold, silver, copper, lead, mercury, cinnabar, vitriol, milk, blood, hair, fingernails, piss, spit, all number of salts, plants, leaves, dew, rain, snow blah blah blah, even shit.

Probably not appreciated by those committed only to lab-work but the only starting substance is the essence of self, or an entheogen of some sort. For me anything else is stumbling in the dark.

One type you forgot is:

Type G: tells somethings, or all things, but really knows jack shit!

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There are some authors which speak quite openly, but I am not sure if the members of the forum shall recognize their work as real alchemy or medieval chemistry. The most important among them are Kirchweger (Golden Chain of Homer), Basil Valentine (only at his Last Will and Testament), Glauber (many works) and Joannes Agricola (Treatise on Gold). Most of the above are praised by the modern chemists for their contribution to the science of chemistry, metallurgy and even chemical engineering, so I can not believe that they were charlatans or impostors. On the other hand, I am not sure if all the procedures which are described at their treatises work as they describe. Agricola seems to be a real sincere author.

There are some other authors which don't give any practical directions and their treatises are more philosophical than practical. Ι should place Cosmopolite (New Light of Alchemy), Nicolas Valois (Cinq Livres), and Bernard Trevisan at that category.
 

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Further to the last post about quartz being the nail that sticks out from all the alchemical texts.
I won't bother to reference any particular authors, but there are quite a few that have pointed out the need to look towards nature for inspiration in art.

Here is what I could find about natures biggest success to make gold:

> On February 5, 1869 Richard Oates and John Deeson found the Welcome Stranger nugget, the largest
> ever recovered gold nugget in the world. It was resting upon red clay, rubbly rock and quartz,
> just below the surface, 55m on the down hill side of the black Reef. It was rumored at the time
> that the nugget was exposed in a rut made by a digger's cart. The nugget's gross weight was
> 2520 ozs, its net weight 2284 oz 16 dwt 22 gr. A monument now marks the place of the discovery.
> Much of the area surrounding the nugget produced gold and the Black Reef immediately above the
> Welcome Stranger was exceptionally rich. Crushing produced as much as 14 oz per tone of rock.

> It weighed nearly three hundred weight (4,300oz), at first there was much quartz with the gold.
> As the nugget lay in the ground, the solid piece of gold was underneath and it was deep in the
> ground but the top of the nugget was not more than 1" below the surface. The nugget was about
> 18" long by 16" wide and about 16" deep. My mate, Richard Oates, was working a short distance
> below the puddling machine in his paddock and I send my son down to call him. When my mate came,
> I said, "What do you think of it Dick? It is worth about 5,000 pounds?" "Oh" he said "more like
> 2,000 pounds".

> We then got the dray and lifted the nugget into it and carted it down to my hut, which stood
> about 1 1/2 chain to the north of the old puddling machine. We took it out of the dray and put
> it in the fireplace, built a good fire on it and kept it burning for about 10 hours, leaving
> it cool for 2 hours, we sat up all night breaking it free from quartz. My wife, my mate and
> myself were the only persons who saw the nugget as it was first found.

> When it was cool we broke 70lbs. quartz away from it . Besides detached pieces of gold there
> was one solid piece of it that weighted 128 lbs. troy (1,536 oz.). This was on the bottom of
> the nugget as it lay on the ground. There was a great deal of loose gold when the quartz was
> broken off. The 70 lbs. of quartz broken away had course and fine gold through it. It was
> taken to Mr. Edward Udey's battery close by and a load of other quartz with no gold in it
> was crushed with it and 60 oz. Of smelted gold was obtained.

Quartz ...... contained in red clay beneath a black reef.

No traces of antimony, cinnabar or arsenic.
I am not intending to say that these other substances are the wrong path. In fact if anyone has had success with them I would very much love to hear about it. LR did report success with GW, and that is something that is inspiring. But I've already started down my own path, so I'm just gonna continue to run with it.

I am going somewhere with this folks, so please bear with me.
First, I'm gonna build up a straw man while still sitting in my armchair. Then once he is solidly described and the suggested path is perfectly clear I will perform the actual lab work and attempt to disprove him and document the process. Thus probably illustrating one way NOT to make the stone.
That is also why I have published this under practical alchemy, because I do soon intend to become practical once off the armchair, probably in a month or so.

And yes, I am a type G :D

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Ghetto Alchemist

One has to be careful of coming to obvious conclusions...
pigs are often found wallowing in their own excretion...
does one suppose to create a pig from such material?

Perhaps the quartz is the defecation of gold? :)

Good Luck in your endeavours.

Ghislain <-G

P.S. I was going to put, "Does Quartz = 2 Pintz ?", but it wasn't that funny :cool:

Edit: Could gold be the starting material for Quartz?
 
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Greetings Ghetto Alchemist.
I'm not sure if you've read my thread "V.I.T.R.I.O.L.", but i am much in agreement
with looking into silicates.
Fulcanelli was into phonetic cabala, and in latin oak is "quercus" which may be a quartz reference, I have so pondered anyways.

Most of what you will find in plain language on quartz is in oil of sand/flints. Many have written of this.
Othwer ways you might find it are in the alchemical process of cementation.
If your cement is philosophical (conducive to morphing: solid solution series) this is an interesting vase for the work.
Cementing was used often to graduate metals.
Pumice was sometimes used as a cement, or bricks of clay, sand, etc. All silicates.

The alchemist speak of antimony, which means "not alone" - a definition which better applies to silica than antimony.
Sand in french is sable which also means "black" as in al-khem.
The alchemists declare that gold lies in their lead. This could be interpreted several ways, but practically,
gold IS found in sand/sable and quartz as you mentioned, but not generally with lead or antimony.
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Thanks for the heads up Solomon, I checked out the VITRIOL thread.
Antimony is code for quartz, great find!!
Confirmation from a separate source .... another plus for quartz.

Here is some more from the armchair.

Legends and myths from around the world that give weight to the quartz theory:

Egyptians:
They had a myth that Osiris body was broken up into many pieces and scattered around the world.
His lover Isis gathered them all up and put them back together, however she was not able to find his penis which remained hidden somewhere in the Earth.

The egyptians also highly esteemed the semen of RA.
Semen comes out of a penis, hmmmm.....I wonder what the penis of RA (or Osiris) looked like?

Crystal-Cluster-Quartz-Crystal-Wand-Point.jpg


Chinese:
If you check the classical book from the china "Journey to the west", (which in my opinion
is a Taoist treatise on how to make the pills of immortality hidden in plain sight) it tells that
the monkey king comes into being by breaking out of a rock.
We later learn that another important character the ogre (named for pure sand - magnetite maybe), he was kicked out of heaven after breaking a crystal vessel.
Link Here: www.chine-informations.com/fichiers/jourwest.pdf

Jewish people have an ancient custom of breaking a crystal glass during their wedding ceremonies.

and my favourite one of all is the Arabian story of a powerful spirit (genie) trapped inside a glass bottle, when someone breaks the vessel and sets the spirit free. He comes out and grants 3 wishes.
Usually wealth, power and immortality.

So......we know what is the glass vessel, now just have to work out ho to break it,
and capture the spirit that is hidden inside it.

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In the Compass of the Wise there are described two kinds of philosophical vessels: a natural and a philosophical one.

Natural Vessel is revealed openly in the Golden Chain of Homer







Philosophical Vessel is the one that we are using to hold the Natural Vessel and they are both of the same origin.

The Metals are engendered in their Mother-womb or Bedrock where their Ores are found.
 
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The egyptians also highly esteemed the semen of RA.
Semen comes out of a penis, hmmmm.....I wonder what the penis of RA (or Osiris) looked like?

Maybe it was shaped like an Obelisk it reminds little on the crystalization pattern of Quartz, doesn't it?


In the High degrees secret instructions of the O.T.O they worship the Sun as the life giver of Macrocosmos and Phallus as the small Sun and life giver of the Microcosmos. When you unite Phallus and Sun you get Monogram of Christ.


Just like in the Vatican:
 
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*whistles*

4, q, the feather, i/a, k/q, the reed (cane, staff, phallus), the hill/mountain, the head, etc...

The most vested about traditional cabala, among ourselves, have probably been struck by the relation existing between the way, the path drawn by the hieroglyph which borrows the shape of the number 4, and the mineral antimony or stibium, clearly signified by this topographic word.

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Deuteronomy 32:13-14

King James Version (KJV)

13 He made him ride on the high places of the earth, that he might eat the increase of the fields; and he made him to suck honey out of the rock, and oil out of the flinty rock;

Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)

13 He made him ride on the heights of the land
and eat the produce of the field.
He nourished him with honey from the rock
and oil from flintlike rock,
 
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I love your work True Puffer, here is another one .....:

Again: "You shall see the Philosopher's Stone, our King and Lord of Lords, go forth from the chamber of its crystal tomb into this world, with its glorified body, regenerate and transcendently perfect, a brilliant carbuncle, whose most subtle and fully purified parts, being harmoniously mixed, are bound inseparably into one, altogether smooth, translucid as crystal, compact and exceedingly weighty.
.....
I was filled with admiration, and asked my visitor whence he had obtained that wonderful knowledge of the whole world? He replied that it was a gift freely bestowed on him by a friend who had stayed a few days at his house, who had also taught him to change common flints and crystals into stones more precious than rubies, chrysoliths, and sapphires;
.....
But the Artist replied: "It is not so in our Magistery; if you do not know the whole operation from beginning to end, you know nothing at all. I have told you all; yet you do not know how the crystal seal of Hermes is broken, and how the Sun colours it with the marvellous splendour of its metallic rays, or in what mirror the metals see with the eyes of Narcissus the possibility of their transmutation, or from what rays adepts collect the fire of perfect metallic fixation."

JOHN FREDERICK
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WHICH THE WORLD WORSHIPS AND ADORES:

This one is a bit of an enigma:

33rd. The White Medicine, after the First Multiplication, coagulates and fixes a tumbler or glass full of clear water into a rock crystal. Put grain after another into the water until a disturbance is observed to take place in the water; then cease, and in half an hour the glass will break leaving the crystal fixed.

Rosicrucian Aphorisms and Process - Bacstrom
No other text I have ever seen says that the white stone will turn water to quartz crystal.
The number 33 is also interesting as it is the highest degree in Freemasonry, and it is also supposedly the maximum number of faces that can occur on a single quartz crystal. (It is hard to find a good reference for that though).


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So you all of you know about the secret. Go do it! I want to see Philosopher's Stones, and a hunk of gold from lead. :D

It's not a jest. In all seriousness. Forget armchair alchemy. This is the work of the ages. You have everything you need, and it's never been clearer.
 

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I love your work True Puffer, here is another one .....:

Thank you G Alchemist, here are also few tidbits...

You quoted:
1.yet you do not know how the crystal seal of Hermes is broken,
2.and how the Sun colours it with the marvellous splendour of its metallic rays,
3.or in what mirror the metals see with the eyes of Narcissus the possibility of their transmutation,
4.or from what rays adepts collect the fire of perfect metallic fixation.

From the four operations mentioned by this Adept i think i fully understand the number two.
2.and how the Sun colours it with the marvellous splendour of its metallic rays,


This is done by concetrating Sun Rays through a lense and projected at some base in this case flints.


It seems that the Flints can hold of the Sun's Sulphur. It is also interesting to note that if we are using numerous lenses that will gives us very High temperatures and we project them on flints then they will be fused into glass.

Also an interesting fact is thar when we project Sun rays through a Quartz Prism we get Peacock's Tail or Rainbow.


Now if we manage to petrify the Sun ray into a body of Quartz and colour it with it...

I forgot to mention that Obelisk was thought to represent a petrified Sun Ray.
 
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Seems we really are on the same page True Puffer,

I'm pretty stunned that you can clearly see the peacocks tail connection.

As for these:

1.yet you do not know how the crystal seal of Hermes is broken,
2.and how the Sun colours it with the marvellous splendour of its metallic rays,
3.or in what mirror the metals see with the eyes of Narcissus the possibility of their transmutation,
4.or from what rays adepts collect the fire of perfect metallic fixation.

I have known about secrets 1,3 and 4 for a little while, thanks to the ormus researchers.
I never knew about secret 2 though. I previously had guessed that it might have meant physically dissolving gold, but I acknowledged that was only a guess. It has only been in the past month that I have realised the actual meaning of secret 2 and that was from LR's help. He went to some trouble to mention the importance of gentle heat from the sun and how accurate the Roger Caro mercury process is, it finally sunk in to my thick skull after a couple of months. So he was always going to have a claim to helping me on that. Ironically though I didn't need his help because I still got the exact same information from you anyway :D

This is for Aelius, time to make a start ....... (True Puffer I realise you already know this)

Number 1, breaking the crystal seal of hermes, is accomplished through the use of lye.
NurdRage has a video showing how here:
[link broken]
and here:

This is actually the dry path described by fulcanelli.
I already have a stainless steel pot ready to use, I will order some lab grade lye after I post this message and can get started in 1-2 weeks.

True Puffer, I am going to have to build some special apparatus for secrets 3 and 4.
Already have a clear idea about how to do it cheaply, but if you've already cracked them, feel free to beat me to the punch ;)

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Enthusiasm is what I like to see! Get to work my friends. The lab calls. :D
 

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True Puffer, I realise now that you are thinking of heating the quartz in the sun before starting the work.
So we do have slightly different thinking in the order of the process, but it seems that we agree on the substance and that placement in the sun is important. The only difference is in the exact timing.

I interpret the texts to mean that first dissolve quartz, then create philisophical mercury,
then place the philisophical mercury in the sun to make it turn red. At least that is what I have interpreted from Roger Caro, but I also got the same idea from the attachment in your last message.

I do know that quartz in the sun will change color, because (this is pretty amazing timing really) I noticed it yesterday when looking at some specimens. White quartz will form a dark brown stain inside its cracks, and this color changes to a red/purple color in sunlight.

I'm starting to think that your way is right True Puffer, and my way is wrong.
I need to jump back under my rock and have a bit of a think about this one, get my head around it.

In the meantime, the lye has been ordered already and is on its way.

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I was not particularly aiming at the wholle process and the production of the Stone but only giving my inerpretation of the second sentence.
The point of exposing the Quartz crystal to the Sun is to catch the Sun's Sulphur. How to proceed from there is another question but i am sure there are multiple options.

Check PM...
 
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In the High degrees secret instructions of the O.T.O they worship the Sun as the life giver of Macrocosmos and Phallus as the small Sun and life giver of the Microcosmos. When you unite Phallus and Sun you get Monogram of Christ.

Guys that is not the Christ monogram. The letters I see there is Χ, Ρ, Λ, ω and Ο as the exoteric cycle. So we get ΧΛΩΡΟ or ΧΛΩΡΟΣ which means green, fertile. Where do you find that pic?
 

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Guys that is not the Christ monogram. The letters I see there is Χ, Ρ, Λ, ω and Ο as the exoteric cycle. So we get ΧΛΩΡΟ or ΧΛΩΡΟΣ which means green, fertile. Where do you find that pic?
Well, in a way it is, but in a way you are also 100% correct. Good catch!

In the image we have XP (Chi-Rho, Cairo, Caro, Crow, etc) which is the labarum, and on either side is the Alpha & the Omega (beginning & end).

Another interpretation is that the XP and the enclosing O is representative of a stargate (Windows XP & Bill GATES). Didn't it appear in the sky to Constantine?
 

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This one is a bit of an enigma:

33rd. The White Medicine, after the First Multiplication, coagulates and fixes a tumbler or glass full of clear water into a rock crystal. Put grain after another into the water until a disturbance is observed to take place in the water; then cease, and in half an hour the glass will break leaving the crystal fixed.

Rosicrucian Aphorisms and Process - Bacstrom

No other text I have ever seen says that the white stone will turn water to quartz crystal.
The number 33 is also interesting as it is the highest degree in Freemasonry, and it is also supposedly the maximum number of faces that can occur on a single quartz crystal. (It is hard to find a good reference for that though).


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Nice correlations True Puffer, Horticult and Ghetto Alchemist!
This one above reminds me of John French:
(forget if i already posted this, or where)
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/jfren_5.html

"Stones are produced out of water that has a mucilaginous mercury which the salt, with which it abounds, fixes into stones. This you may see clearly by putting stones into water, for they will after a time contract a mucilaginous slimy matter which, being taken out of the water and set in the sun, becomes to be of a stony nature. And whence come those stones, gravel, and sand which we see in springs ? They are not washed down out of the mountains and hills (as some think) from whence the waters spring. Neither were they in the earth before the springs broke forth (as some imagine) and now appear by washing away of the earth from them. For if you dig around the springs, even beyond the heads of them, you shall find no stones at all in the earth, only in the veins thereof through which the water runs. Now, the reason of the smallness of the stones is the continual motion of the water which hinders them from being united into a continued bigness. I shall make a further confirmation of this in the artificial process of manifesting the heterogeneity of water. I shall here only add the assertion of Helmont, saying that with his alkahest all stones and, indeed, all things may be turned into water. If so, then you know what the maxim is, viz., all things may be resolved into that from whence they had their beginning."

"Take a flint out of river water and put it into a gourd glass. Pour upon it as much river water as will fill the glass. Evaporate this water until the flint be dry. Then pour on more fresh water. Do this so long until the flint will fill up the glass (for in a little time it will fill it up and become to be of the form or figure of the glass) for it attracts to itself the mucilaginousness of the water which, indeed, is a slimy saltish matter and the true matter of stones. And thus you shall have that done by art in few days which nature would have been perfecting many years and, indeed, just such a flint as is produced in the rivers. Anyone that should see this flint in the glass would wonder how it should come in there. You may break your glass and take out your flint."


 

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Here is a very nice Gold Mine Tour and try to guess from what kind of Rock the Gold was mined?

Gold Mine Tour 1 of 5

Gold Mine Tour 2 of 5

Gold Mine Tour 3 of 5

Gold Mine Tour 4 of 5

Gold Mine Tour 5 of 5
 

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Hi

It's the Devil's Advocate again.

A while back while doing some work with dew and sea salt


Dew and sea salt/ Ganges water

Some of the sea salt recrystalised from the solution. The point is how it started to recrystalise.

In the solution I had palced some gold flakes...these acted as a seed for the salt crystals.



What I am wondering is, could the gold be a magnet for the Quartz, as found in the mine seams;
rather than Quartz actually having some part in the creation of the gold?

A little bit like, "what came first the chicken or the egg?"

Ghislain