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its insane. even if you know how to make the mercury, there are no instructions on how to apply it to the 1st matter. no instructions on how much heat etc. just a big maze with one side thinking its urine and the other stibnite.

And others who think it’s neither urine nor stibnite.
 

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And others who think its both urine stibnite and everywhere else
 

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It's best to first get an understanding of the principles underlying the alchemical art. Then seek out (or create yourself) a process fit to put those principles into practice. Ignore all the nay-sayers putting doubt in your mind at that stage. Simply try stuff and see what happens for yourself.

Be free to move on to any other approach that catches your interest. But whatever you choose to do, I recommend to always work from first principles. Thus, you will know what your beliefs are and why you are doing the thing that you do.
 

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Indeed, there are quite a few things that DO require clarification. We'll do it in "baby steps", so people can keep up :p... LOL... Here we go...



The common "vulgar" spirits (ethanol/SV and others) are NOT the "Spirit" that I'm talking about.

It is the Ultimate, Omnipresent, All-Forming, All-Nourishing and All-Permeating Spirit that I'm referring to.

It is somewhat comparable to "The Force" in Star Wars, a much better comparison than Vodka :p

But I DO understand the reasons for this fundamental error which may have lead you to this fundamentally flawed conclusion.

And I intend to address this problem at a later point, because we really need to "separate the wheat from the chaff" :rolleyes:



I think herein lies the fundamental flaw in your world view.

Spirit is the "Universal Ocean", the "Sea of the Philosophers". In fact, it is both the Drop and the Ocean, simultaneously.

Everything "flows" from it, "returns" to it and essentially IS it. It can never "die" because it was never "born". It permeates EVERYTHING and is not "bound" to this or that Universe or Manifest Reality Construct.

Conversely, "Soul" is comparable to an "Envelope" for Spirit. Not unlike the "Philosophical Magnet" or the Alchemical "Prima Materia", which is dual and composite in its nature. More on this in future posts.

There are many "Souls", each with their "different programs", and they are all formed or "condensed" from Spirit and animated by it.

"Souls" are created/generated and have their Beginning AND their End in "Time". In some belief systems, they are even tradable commodities :)

When a Soul "dies", it is dissolved into the Spirit Ocean, just like everything born of time. Elsewhere, I intend to elaborate more on "Liberated Beings" and how they are essentially "Soulless" in their Natural State.

All sorts of "gods", "angels" or other demiurgic/archontic so-called "divine entities" (including various "luminaries") are no different from humans in this regard. They ALL have their beginning and their end in "time".



What you refer to as "Soul" is basically Spirit that is fixed/focused inside a temporal construct, which can be more or less subtle.

Just like the "Quintessence" of Alchemy is nothing more than "Spirit made Flesh". Or "Spirit Incorporated".

Also, "Quintessence" does NOT refer to "Soul". This is a culturally hijacked/appropriated AND totally incorrect misnomer.

In fact, "Quintessence" refers to what is commonly called "The 5th Element", the Ultimate Sub-Stance/Essence/Est-Ens of All Being, i.e. Spirit.

So in a sense, you are correct, healing DOES come from "Quintessence", except it's not what you believe it is.



Yet another fundamental flaw in your grasp of the underlying metaphysical "mechanics".

"Soul" is merely a Temporal Construct, an "envelope" for Spirit. Spirit, however, has no need or requirement to "evolve", because it is All-Ready perfect, always and forever, in perpetuity and infinity.

A more "Evolved Soul", just like a "Multiplied Stone", simply indicates a higher and more structurally coherent "concentration" (and potential ex-pression) of Spirit.

The more Spirit is involved, the more the "ID Markers" and the "Programmed Limitations" of the "Soul Construct" are "dissolved" and the more "Universal" or "unspecified" this "Soul Container" becomes, until it (the "Soul") is itself "dissolved" entirely, i.e. "dies to this world" (or "vanishes from the flask").

It ALL begins and ends with Spirit, which in itself has no beginning and end, NO "Alpha" and NO "Omega".

The entire "Work", as the saying goes, is de-facto accomplished by "Our Mercury" (Spirit) alone.

Going through and appearing as various manifest sates, sure.

But there is only ONE matter. There is no "two" or "three" or "more" of anything, except as transient mental constructs.

I hope I have clarified some of the more fundamental misunderstandings regarding the metaphysics underlying those mental/linguistic constructs.

But this is exactly the type of mind-stuff we must clarify & rectify when dealing with "information" allegedly received from various Demiurgic/Archontic/etc. Entities.

Note: While the MANNER of formulating my posts on this specific thread is somewhat satirical to a degree, the SPIRIT underlying what I'm posting here is as legit as they come :cool:
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Continued...

OK, let's further clarify a few more things.

What you (Black) refer to as "Pure Spiritus Mundi" (in your practice) is in fact an already specified "Alchemical Mercury" or "Mercurial Spirit", artfully extracted from the Mineral/Metallic Kingdom, and in which Spiritus Mundi abides, at rather decent levels of Concentration & Vehicular Coherence.

Which is pretty awesome in and of itself, and you deserve to be congratulated for it.

But it needs to be plainly said and adequately clarified, for the benefit of everyone, that "Pure Spiritus Mundi" does NOT have its provenience from ANY of the three kingdoms and is not "extracted" or "captured" from either of them.

Mineral/Metallic "Alchemical Spirits" or "Alchemical Mercuries", on the other hand, can definitely be extracted by ingenious artifice. Those are indeed alchemically legit Spirits & Mercuries. No doubt about it. And they would likely even gift you with a perfectly legit “Stone”. But as long as you fail to comprehend the concepts of “Soul vs. Spirit” or “Magnet vs. Steel”, you might as well forget about what you call “the gift of multiplication”, among other “gifts”.

On the other hand, Pure "Spiritus Mundi" can ONLY be obtained "vertically" (for lack of a better term), usually by cosmo/telluric artifice, either directly from its Source or from several Source-derived “Relay Stations”, but not from any specific matter of any of the kingdoms.

Now, what you are actually talking about is a "Radical Humidity" from the Metallic/Mineral Kingdom. Which is already VERY impressive! But it is NOT Pure "Spiritus Mundi".

ALL bodies possess their own innate "Radical Humidity".

This "Radical Humidity" is essentially a Kingdom-specific Medium which "contains" Spiritus Mundi in various degrees of “concentration” and of "structural coherence" of the vehicle.

The Metallic/Mineral Kingdom is the most fixed one and therefore also has the most fixed innate "Radical Humidity". This likely makes it a more "preferred" Kingdom for many practicing Alchemists.

Conversely, the Animal Kingdom also has a very good innate "dose" of Concentrated & Vehicle-Coherent "Radical Humidity" (and humans have it more than all the others species in this Kingdom), but it is much more rapidly lost, as this is the most "volatile" Kingdom of the three.

The Vegetable Kingdom is somewhere in-between.

Human babies, for example, are born with PLENTY of innate "Concentrated & Coherent Radical Humidity", but it is gradually “consumed” by the Inner Fire(s) and by "external" factors and influences, much faster than it can be replenished by "common" means.

So we lose our "Radical Humidity" as we age, and we either slowly "dry up" visibly, OR, desperate for replenishment, we accumulate a vast surplus of "common humidity", i.e. the Medium(s) without the appropriate “Structural Coherence” (i.e. “Shit Magnets”) and without the Required Concentration of the "Spiritus Passenger".

See the Chinese model on "innate" versus "acquired by nourishment". Jing is innate, Qi is from our nourishment habits (not just food) & unobstructed subtle channels and Shen is rooted in the internal structural coherence & conductivity of the vehicles, especially the blood, which directly ties to the Heart as the "Great Coherence-Maker".

Also, on a tangent, the Heart does NOT "pump" blood. This is a fabrication of our so-called "Science". Coherently Charged Blood has its own "Motor" and its own "Levity". The Heart plays an entirely different role, especially involving Structural Coherence. If we need to rely on the Heart to "pump" our blood, we're already in trouble.

In conclusion, you are to be congratulated for extracting/capturing an Alchemical Spirit/Mercury of the Metallic/Mineral Kingdom. But it is not "Pure" Spiritus Mundi, as I have explained before.

I'm posting this vital information so as to "separate the wheat from the chaff" :)p), and so that the readers can acquire some much needed clarity on this topic and not be misled by various fancy terms and claims.

Note: While the MANNER of formulating my posts on this specific thread is somewhat satirical to a degree, the SPIRIT underlying what I'm posting here is as legit as they come :cool:
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Hi all!

I'm reading this thread. I'm at the end of page 11.
This text was all deformed and due to the importance and clarity I saw in it, according to the Art, I just removed all the code so that could be read fully.
 

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On a personal note, and considering what the Tradition (as the sum of the traditions that we study as being in agreement) tells us, these last 2 posts are a summary of excellence.

Although the topic emerged as it did, and "less pure" matters were added throughout the discussions, the truth is that the catalyzing effect of exchanges ends up bringing many gems. Once I'm done reading, I also expect to expose some questions. My vision has changed a lot over the last few months, which has contributed to changes in the way I see our Art right now.
I believe, more and more firmly, that our art is not a chemical art, although the first impulse we receive is in agreement whit that. From the man who urinated next to the palm trees, to the most modern alchemists, what we notice is an adaptation of the PATH to the reality of life and existing means in a "space and time". Alchemy works with tensions of opposites making them tend towards "no man's land". It is in this no man's land that the greatest alchemical potential can be operated. Otherwise, it will always be tainted by a specific tonic, whatever realm it belongs. The Particulars are not The Universal but are linked to it. My current research tends to follow the Universal through the invisible "channels" of nature like atmospheric pressure, magnetism, etc, to know the mechanisms the Aether uses as a medium. In my view what we need to provide are "conditions" for the Aether to manifest in the rawest form.

Going to page 12!
See you all later!
 
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This text was all deformed [...] I just removed all the code so that could be read fully.
Logistical Post

Thanks! In time, I will do my best to go over threads and fix distorted code, to the extent that I am available.
 

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Please, dear Andro. There is nothing to be thankful for, I did it for me, and being done I share it to the good use of all. We only possess the things we share with an open heart with others.

In the first pages of the thread, @alfr mentioned the book Celestial Agriculture, from the authors F. Clemente, J.A. Puche e M. Padovano. Bought the Kindle version. It's ok, it talks a bit about the process that was presented by @Andro here:

I know this question was not directed to me, but, in my understanding, the 'Typus Mundi' gives quite a few different methods of manifesting our Mercury.

To understand the specific method you are referring to, I think we must reverse-engineer photo-graphy way back before digital and what we know as magnetic/analog :)

I personally understand photo-graphy as the philosophical union between the Sun and the Moon.

Photo + Graph = Sun + Moon.

From the experiments, I had with Salt. I believe the most effective way to collect a reasonable amount of HIM is by the Solve et Coagula method. Nature rejoices in nature after all. Like to Like. I will start the process tomorrow, in the crescent of the moon, and will report the results, if some, through the following months. :) Not here, but in the SM topic.
I believe that @nav2010 gave an important, but veiled key to the work in the Ozone thread with the "double distilled water". We will see.
@Andro is also very charitable with the photo-graphy analogy, in reverse.

Thank you!

My best to all!
C.
 

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Well here we are again .... another year has passed and still only 3 members working
with Pure SM (Pure Spiritus Mundi).

I would prefer to say that I know this to be a fact but there are certain protocols that must
be adhered to here so I may have to settle for IMHO.

What I'm stating here would not upset anyone that is actually working with Pure SM
(Pure Spiritus Mundi).

NOTE
In the years ahead, if any members believe they have collected Pure SM (Pure Spiritus Mundi)
and have used it for the first Alchemic Process, they would then be able to answer
these simple but effective questions most easily.

If you think you can answer these questions then please Private Message me and we can then continue further with this Work.

In the past I have also had to answer these questions and more to prove an Entrance into
Alchemic Practice.

Here are a few simple questions we can start with that only those that have worked an Alchemic Process will be able to answer correctly.

What do you see prior to the Blackness ?

How long does the Blackness last ?

Describe the tears that flow down the side of the vessel ?

What do we see in our vessel after the black stage ?

Describe the Peacocks Tail ?


If you can answer these simple questions correctly then you have something of Alchemic value
and the Brotherly Hand of Friendship will be extended to you. :)

If you can not answer these questions correctly then don't bother to write flowery posts pretending to have an understanding of Alchemy.
 

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In the years ahead, if any members believe they have collected Pure SM (Pure Spiritus Mundi)
and have used it for the first Alchemic Process, they would then be able to answer
these simple but effective questions most easily.
I don't have any idea what exactly you're referring to when you say "Pure Spiritus Mundi", but ironically I can still answer all your questions.
So I'm going to do so, not in PM as you've requested, but here on the forum publicly and openly.
And also this is for the years ahead, when folks can look back and see that some of us in this time actually had the courage to say something tangible about art.
What do you see prior to the Blackness ?
IMO the blackness is the color of a metal oxide, usually copper oxide under the old instructions (sometimes referred to as "the poor way")
So prior to the blackness you'd see whatever color is the solution of the metal ions.
Eg: If you're working copper then that'd probably be green color of copper chloride solution.
How long does the Blackness last ?
IMO this depends on the amount of HIM in the solvent, usually you'd expect at least a couple of runs of "solve and coagulate".
Describe the tears that flow down the side of the vessel ?
IMO, as you evaporate off your HIM solvent, some of it will condense on the sides of the vessel and will run back down to the bottom of the vessel.
What do we see in our vessel after the black stage ?
IMO, the metal oxide salt after starting out black, then keeps getting lighter in color until it eventually turns white.
Of course working with gold is the exception, the color of gold oxide/hydroxide will start at white and finish at brick red.
Describe the Peacocks Tail ?
IMO "the peacocks tail" is a metaphor for the visual effect produced after placing a HIM loaded salt (or transmutation stone, which is the same thing) into a high temperature flame/furnace.
It gives off a shimmering rainbow-like hue, which is really amazing to look at.
Frankly I'm surprised nobody ever talks about it, because it's quite beautiful and defies all logic as to why it looks the way that it does.

Enough said.
 
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Since I have not yet tested anything that i can verifiably say is SM, I cannot really say much at this point. I did have a substance that dissolved silver into white fluffy looking stuff. This was obtained from highly cycled bodily fluids, pretty sure this was not SM though.

I have a question; which i expect to get a variety of answers to but..
for those of you who have or believe you have captured SM what lab equipment at a minimum is required?
Non-Solar paths.

I have some ideas about where SM may be found; but have not much use able lab gear at the moment so want some input from members before spending any money. (and I may not anyways).

Some will say its not needed; maybe. I don't know.
Like.. according to what ghetto wrote above; I would assume that we need a standard distillation train and/or some form of circulation vessel and a high heat furnace. Anyone else have other suggestions? I know my friend Michael would recommend a pelican; though maybe not for "catching" sm..

Thanks ahead of time.
 

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I don't have any idea what exactly you're referring to when you say "Pure Spiritus Mundi",
That is quite evident from your answers.

"Pure Spiritus Mundi" is Alchemy.
"Pure Spiritus Mundi" is what is required to perform an Alchemic Process.
Without "Pure Spiritus Mundi" there is no way to perform an Alchemic Process.

The only way to extract a Living Universal Quintessence is via "Pure Spiritus Mundi"
and that is why these questions are only relevant to those working with "Pure Spiritus Mundi".

Anyone that is not working with "Pure Spiritus Mundi" can only guess at what the answers may
be to these questions.

Guessing = No Alchemy
but ironically I can still answer all your questions.
Yes, you can write in answers to these questions .... But you will not be able to answer these questions correctly unless you have personally performed or witnessed the Alchemic Process.

There are Three members working with "Pure Spiritus Mundi" now .... but there will be
a Fourth member.

This post was primarily for that person to Private Message me when that time comes.

Perhaps that member will be you ghetto.
So I'm going to do so, not in PM as you've requested, but here on the forum publicly and openly.
And also this is for the years ahead, when folks can look back and see that some of us in this time actually had the courage to say something tangible about art.
"the courage to say something tangible about art" ..... ?

Members write posts everyday .... it does not take courage to write something that is not Alchemic.

I will not comment on your answers as they are not correct and are not relevant to the Alchemic Process.

I will mention again that in the Primary / Basic Alchemic Process that can only be brought about by "Pure Spiritus Mundi" the Alchemists only use Our Metals, Our Lead, Our Copper, Our Iron, Our Gold, Our etc, etc.

There is no
copper, copper oxide or gold oxide/hydroxide, etc, etc, etc.

To understand this is to understand basic Alchemy.

Actual metals are only used for the collection of a Particular Quintessence or for the preparation of a Metallic Transmutation.

Thank you ghetto for taking the time to think about these questions. :)
 

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Oh gee its happening again, who would of thought? Thanks for making sure I'l never read most threads now.

Oh and ghetto, why waste your time?
 

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Since I have not yet tested anything that i can verifiably say is SM, I cannot really say much at this point. I did have a substance that dissolved silver into white fluffy looking stuff. This was obtained from highly cycled bodily fluids, pretty sure this was not SM though.
Hi Jimmy

I'm absolutely sure that what you were working with was not SM (Spiritus Mundi).
 

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Here are a few simple questions we can start with that only those that have worked an Alchemic Process will be able to answer correctly.

What do you see prior to the Blackness ?

How long does the Blackness last ?

Describe the tears that flow down the side of the vessel ?

What do we see in our vessel after the black stage ?

Describe the Peacocks Tail ?

I have absolutely no direct way to know the answers to these questions but I could make a guess based on theoretical knowledge, just for fun of course.

What do you see prior to the Blackness ?
The substance turning Yellow

How long does the Blackness last ?
Quite a few weeks/months but surely depends on the path being used

Describe the tears that flow down the side of the vessel ?
Translucent drops that leave trails as they go, like snail trails

What do we see in our vessel after the black stage ?
An oily substance floating on top and/or possibly some misting of the sides of the vessel making it more difficult to see inside.

Describe the Peacocks Tail ?
A wide variety of colour changes that the substance goes through plus crystalisation around the sides of the vessel that reflect light in different ways.

Sorry to waste people's time, clearly I have no real idea. Just passing the time.
 

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"Pure Spiritus Mundi" is what is required to perform an Alchemic Process.
Without "Pure Spiritus Mundi" there is no way to perform an Alchemic Process.

Might it be worthwhile providing one or more source references that confirm these statements?
 

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It's a miracle that the M.O. of Black is not completely transparent for everybody by now.
 

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I have absolutely no direct way to know the answers to these questions but I could make a guess based on theoretical knowledge, just for fun of course.
Hi Pilgrim

You will notice that your answers and ghetto alchemists answers are very different.

If we asked a 100 people for their answers we would find them all to be different.

But if we asked 10 people that have all worked the Alchemic Process then the answers would
all be the same.

Only through having watched this Alchemic Process can the correct answers be given.

Thank you for your interest in this. :)
 

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Might it be worthwhile providing one or more source references that confirm these statements?
Perhaps the term "Pure Spiritus Mundi" is not familiar to you.

If we read any Alchemy book describing the Alchemic Process then we will find a word that relates to "Pure Spiritus Mundi".

Here are a few examples of other terms used for this substance ... Our Mercury, Secret Solvent,
the Great Alkahest, the Agent and so many more names that are used in the allegorical writings of the old masters.

Does this help to clarify ?
 

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Perhaps the term "Pure Spiritus Mundi" is not familiar to you.

If we read any Alchemy book describing the Alchemic Process then we will find a word that relates to "Pure Spiritus Mundi".

Here are a few examples of other terms used for this substance ... Our Mercury, Secret Solvent,
the Great Alkahest, the Agent and so many more names that are used in the allegorical writings of the old masters.

Does this help to clarify ?

Doesn't really help no because the term you are choosing to use "Pure Spiritus Mundi" is not a term found in any of the many texts I have read. Hence all you are doing here is giving your interpretation or personal belief of what you think "Our Mercury", the "Secret Solvent" is. This brings into question the entire issue of following the ancient texts as a hobby, vocation, personal endeavor.

Either the texts are true and can be used to steer the actions of a budding alchemist, or they can not and the entire endeavor is a total dead-end and waste of time. Your position appears to be the latter and your stance seems to be that it is actually impossible to achieve any alchemical result unless you are in touch with a "master" who will instruct you. If that's the situation then it seems pointless anyone trying to follow Ariandne's Thread by themselves. I instinctively feel that this can't be right but I may of course be wrong.
 

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Doesn't really help no because the term you are choosing to use "Pure Spiritus Mundi" is not a term found in any of the many texts I have read. Hence all you are doing here is giving your interpretation or personal belief of what you think "Our Mercury", the "Secret Solvent" is. This brings into question the entire issue of following the ancient texts as a hobby, vocation, personal endeavor.

Not one person in the world will gain entry into Alchemy by reading the Ancient Texts only.

There is not one Alchemy book in the world that tells how to collect SM (Spiritus Mundi, Our Mercury, Alkahest, Secret Solvent, etc).

If you know how to collect this substance then it doesn't matter what you call IT.

My "interpretation or personal belief" regarding Our Mercury were put to the appropriate Alchemic Tests over 30 years ago and found to be true and correct .... this gave me the entrance into the Alchemic Process (also 30+ years ago).

You may have been reading Alchemy books for 10 years ... BUT you are yet to begin starting work and experimenting in a laboratory to prove your theories.

Anyone desiring to enter into Alchemy and become Adept at Alchemy, is required to have a Spiritual Practice and be able to communicate with the Source (Our Creator).

Without a Spiritual Practice the Alchemy books will give you nothing.

Re Spiritus Mundi:

Sal, lumen, et spiritus mundi philosophici or the dawning of the day,

discovered by the beams of light: shewing the true salt and secret of

the philosophers, the first and universal spirit of the ...

Combach, Ludwig

London, 1657

Here is a .... LINK

Also ....Confession of Trithemius .... you will have to find this.

Either the texts are true and can be used to steer the actions of a budding alchemist, or they can not and the entire endeavor is a total dead-end and waste of time.
The great Alchemic texts will be found to be true and correct after the Alchemist has worked the First Alchemic Process .... until that First Alchemic Process is performed then the texts will have little to no meaning at all.
Your position appears to be the latter and your stance seems to be that it is actually impossible to achieve any alchemical result unless you are in touch with a "master" who will instruct you.
Yes, that is correct .... a living "master" Alchemist or gain the understanding / knowledge
directly from the Divine Light (The Source).
If that's the situation then it seems pointless anyone trying to follow Ariandne's Thread by themselves.
Correct.
I instinctively feel that this can't be right but I may of course be wrong.
I can only suggest that you put your instincts to the test ASAP. :)
 

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I would think anyone who actually achieved the Ars Magna would be very quiet about it.

Dr. Joe Champion, who alleged that he transmuted base metals to precious metals said he was visited by what he could only describe as the "platinum mafia" people who had massive holdings in platinum, and said he had better keep quiet about it or else they would kill him.