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[Kiorionis]

its insane. even if you know how to make the mercury, there are no instructions on how to apply it to the 1st matter. no instructions on how much heat etc. just a big maze with one side thinking its urine and the other stibnite.

And others who think it’s neither urine nor stibnite.

 

[Lakshmana]

And others who think its both urine stibnite and everywhere else

 

[Michael Sternbach]

It's best to first get an understanding of the principles underlying the alchemical art. Then seek out (or create yourself) a process fit to put those principles into practice. Ignore all the nay-sayers putting doubt in your mind at that stage. Simply try stuff and see what happens for yourself.

Be free to move on to any other approach that catches your interest. But whatever you choose to do, I recommend to always work from first principles. Thus, you will know what your beliefs are and why you are doing the thing that you do.

 

[Christophorus]

Indeed, there are quite a few things that DO require clarification. We'll do it in "baby steps", so people can keep up ... LOL... Here we go...



The common "vulgar" spirits (ethanol/SV and others) are NOT the "Spirit" that I'm talking about.

It is the Ultimate, Omnipresent, All-Forming, All-Nourishing and All-Permeating Spirit that I'm referring to.

It is somewhat comparable to "The Force" in Star Wars, a much better comparison than Vodka

But I DO understand the reasons for this fundamental error which may have lead you to this fundamentally flawed conclusion.

And I intend to address this problem at a later point, because we really need to "separate the wheat from the chaff"



I think herein lies the fundamental flaw in your world view.

Spirit is the "Universal Ocean", the "Sea of the Philosophers". In fact, it is both the Drop and the Ocean, simultaneously.

Everything "flows" from it, "returns" to it and essentially IS it. It can never "die" because it was never "born". It permeates EVERYTHING and is not "bound" to this or that Universe or Manifest Reality Construct.

Conversely, "Soul" is comparable to an "Envelope" for Spirit. Not unlike the "Philosophical Magnet" or the Alchemical "Prima Materia", which is dual and composite in its nature. More on this in future posts.

There are many "Souls", each with their "different programs", and they are all formed or "condensed" from Spirit and animated by it.

"Souls" are created/generated and have their Beginning AND their End in "Time". In some belief systems, they are even tradable commodities

When a Soul "dies", it is dissolved into the Spirit Ocean, just like everything born of time. Elsewhere, I intend to elaborate more on "Liberated Beings" and how they are essentially "Soulless" in their Natural State.

All sorts of "gods", "angels" or other demiurgic/archontic so-called "divine entities" (including various "luminaries") are no different from humans in this regard. They ALL have their beginning and their end in "time".



What you refer to as "Soul" is basically Spirit that is fixed/focused inside a temporal construct, which can be more or less subtle.

Just like the "Quintessence" of Alchemy is nothing more than "Spirit made Flesh". Or "Spirit Incorporated".

Also, "Quintessence" does NOT refer to "Soul". This is a culturally hijacked/appropriated AND totally incorrect misnomer.

In fact, "Quintessence" refers to what is commonly called "The 5th Element", the Ultimate Sub-Stance/Essence/Est-Ens of All Being, i.e. Spirit.

So in a sense, you are correct, healing DOES come from "Quintessence", except it's not what you believe it is.



Yet another fundamental flaw in your grasp of the underlying metaphysical "mechanics".

"Soul" is merely a Temporal Construct, an "envelope" for Spirit. Spirit, however, has no need or requirement to "evolve", because it is All-Ready perfect, always and forever, in perpetuity and infinity.

A more "Evolved Soul", just like a "Multiplied Stone", simply indicates a higher and more structurally coherent "concentration" (and potential ex-pression) of Spirit.

The more Spirit is involved, the more the "ID Markers" and the "Programmed Limitations" of the "Soul Construct" are "dissolved" and the more "Universal" or "unspecified" this "Soul Container" becomes, until it (the "Soul") is itself "dissolved" entirely, i.e. "dies to this world" (or "vanishes from the flask").

It ALL begins and ends with Spirit, which in itself has no beginning and end, NO "Alpha" and NO "Omega".

The entire "Work", as the saying goes, is de-facto accomplished by "Our Mercury" (Spirit) alone.

Going through and appearing as various manifest sates, sure.

But there is only ONE matter. There is no "two" or "three" or "more" of anything, except as transient mental constructs.

I hope I have clarified some of the more fundamental misunderstandings regarding the metaphysics underlying those mental/linguistic constructs.

But this is exactly the type of mind-stuff we must clarify & rectify when dealing with "information" allegedly received from various Demiurgic/Archontic/etc. Entities.

Note: While the MANNER of formulating my posts on this specific thread is somewhat satirical to a degree, the SPIRIT underlying what I'm posting here is as legit as they come
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Are we any closer?

Continued...

OK, let's further clarify a few more things.

What you (Black) refer to as "Pure Spiritus Mundi" (in your practice) is in fact an already specified "Alchemical Mercury" or "Mercurial Spirit", artfully extracted from the Mineral/Metallic Kingdom, and in which Spiritus Mundi abides, at rather decent levels of Concentration & Vehicular Coherence.

Which is pretty awesome in and of itself, and you deserve to be congratulated for it.

But it needs to be plainly said and adequately clarified, for the benefit of everyone, that "Pure Spiritus Mundi" does NOT have its provenience from ANY of the three kingdoms and is not "extracted" or "captured" from either of them.

Mineral/Metallic "Alchemical Spirits" or "Alchemical Mercuries", on the other hand, can definitely be extracted by ingenious artifice. Those are indeed alchemically legit Spirits & Mercuries. No doubt about it. And they would likely even gift you with a perfectly legit “Stone”. But as long as you fail to comprehend the concepts of “Soul vs. Spirit” or “Magnet vs. Steel”, you might as well forget about what you call “the gift of multiplication”, among other “gifts”.

On the other hand, Pure "Spiritus Mundi" can ONLY be obtained "vertically" (for lack of a better term), usually by cosmo/telluric artifice, either directly from its Source or from several Source-derived “Relay Stations”, but not from any specific matter of any of the kingdoms.

Now, what you are actually talking about is a "Radical Humidity" from the Metallic/Mineral Kingdom. Which is already VERY impressive! But it is NOT Pure "Spiritus Mundi".

ALL bodies possess their own innate "Radical Humidity".

This "Radical Humidity" is essentially a Kingdom-specific Medium which "contains" Spiritus Mundi in various degrees of “concentration” and of "structural coherence" of the vehicle.

The Metallic/Mineral Kingdom is the most fixed one and therefore also has the most fixed innate "Radical Humidity". This likely makes it a more "preferred" Kingdom for many practicing Alchemists.

Conversely, the Animal Kingdom also has a very good innate "dose" of Concentrated & Vehicle-Coherent "Radical Humidity" (and humans have it more than all the others species in this Kingdom), but it is much more rapidly lost, as this is the most "volatile" Kingdom of the three.

The Vegetable Kingdom is somewhere in-between.

Human babies, for example, are born with PLENTY of innate "Concentrated & Coherent Radical Humidity", but it is gradually “consumed” by the Inner Fire(s) and by "external" factors and influences, much faster than it can be replenished by "common" means.

So we lose our "Radical Humidity" as we age, and we either slowly "dry up" visibly, OR, desperate for replenishment, we accumulate a vast surplus of "common humidity", i.e. the Medium(s) without the appropriate “Structural Coherence” (i.e. “Shit Magnets”) and without the Required Concentration of the "Spiritus Passenger".

See the Chinese model on "innate" versus "acquired by nourishment". Jing is innate, Qi is from our nourishment habits (not just food) & unobstructed subtle channels and Shen is rooted in the internal structural coherence & conductivity of the vehicles, especially the blood, which directly ties to the Heart as the "Great Coherence-Maker".

Also, on a tangent, the Heart does NOT "pump" blood. This is a fabrication of our so-called "Science". Coherently Charged Blood has its own "Motor" and its own "Levity". The Heart plays an entirely different role, especially involving Structural Coherence. If we need to rely on the Heart to "pump" our blood, we're already in trouble.

In conclusion, you are to be congratulated for extracting/capturing an Alchemical Spirit/Mercury of the Metallic/Mineral Kingdom. But it is not "Pure" Spiritus Mundi, as I have explained before.

I'm posting this vital information so as to "separate the wheat from the chaff" p), and so that the readers can acquire some much needed clarity on this topic and not be misled by various fancy terms and claims.

Note: While the MANNER of formulating my posts on this specific thread is somewhat satirical to a degree, the SPIRIT underlying what I'm posting here is as legit as they come
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Are we any closer?

Hi all!

I'm reading this thread. I'm at the end of page 11.
This text was all deformed and due to the importance and clarity I saw in it, according to the Art, I just removed all the code so that could be read fully.

 

[Christophorus]

On a personal note, and considering what the Tradition (as the sum of the traditions that we study as being in agreement) tells us, these last 2 posts are a summary of excellence.

Although the topic emerged as it did, and "less pure" matters were added throughout the discussions, the truth is that the catalyzing effect of exchanges ends up bringing many gems. Once I'm done reading, I also expect to expose some questions. My vision has changed a lot over the last few months, which has contributed to changes in the way I see our Art right now.
I believe, more and more firmly, that our art is not a chemical art, although the first impulse we receive is in agreement whit that. From the man who urinated next to the palm trees, to the most modern alchemists, what we notice is an adaptation of the PATH to the reality of life and existing means in a "space and time". Alchemy works with tensions of opposites making them tend towards "no man's land". It is in this no man's land that the greatest alchemical potential can be operated. Otherwise, it will always be tainted by a specific tonic, whatever realm it belongs. The Particulars are not The Universal but are linked to it. My current research tends to follow the Universal through the invisible "channels" of nature like atmospheric pressure, magnetism, etc, to know the mechanisms the Aether uses as a medium. In my view what we need to provide are "conditions" for the Aether to manifest in the rawest form.

Going to page 12!
See you all later!

 

[Andro]

This text was all deformed [...] I just removed all the code so that could be read fully.

Logistical Post

Thanks! In time, I will do my best to go over threads and fix distorted code, to the extent that I am available.

 

[Christophorus]

Please, dear Andro. There is nothing to be thankful for, I did it for me, and being done I share it to the good use of all. We only possess the things we share with an open heart with others.

In the first pages of the thread, @alfr mentioned the book Celestial Agriculture, from the authors F. Clemente, J.A. Puche e M. Padovano. Bought the Kindle version. It's ok, it talks a bit about the process that was presented by @Andro here:

I know this question was not directed to me, but, in my understanding, the 'Typus Mundi' gives quite a few different methods of manifesting our Mercury.

To understand the specific method you are referring to, I think we must reverse-engineer photo-graphy way back before digital and what we know as magnetic/analog

I personally understand photo-graphy as the philosophical union between the Sun and the Moon.

Photo + Graph = Sun + Moon.

From the experiments, I had with Salt. I believe the most effective way to collect a reasonable amount of HIM is by the Solve et Coagula method. Nature rejoices in nature after all. Like to Like. I will start the process tomorrow, in the crescent of the moon, and will report the results, if some, through the following months. Not here, but in the SM topic.
I believe that @nav2010 gave an important, but veiled key to the work in the Ozone thread with the "double distilled water". We will see.
@Andro is also very charitable with the photo-graphy analogy, in reverse.

Thank you!

My best to all!
C.