. Are you any closer?

[black]

Are you any closer ?

"It's said that the journey of a thousand miles starts with the first step but if that first step is in the wrong direction you might find yourself a thousand miles off from where you want to be".

This quote has stirred me to pose a few simple questions to the members.

There are many members with many different points of view as to the capture of SM (Our Mercury).

There has not been one member that has discovered how to capture SM (Spiritus Mundi) since the beginning of this forum.

Do any members think they are any closer to the capture of SM (Our Mercury) today after perhaps 5, 10, 20, 30 or more years of searching for it ?

And if you think you are closer to this knowledge then why do you think this to be so ?

 

[Jahara]

Are you any closer ?

There has not been one member that has discovered how to capture SM (Spiritus Mundi) since the beginning of this forum.

I don't think so, I believe many here people already did it but they don't talk openly about it, the same goes for the Stone.

 

[Andro]

There has not been one member that has discovered how to capture SM (Spiritus Mundi) since the beginning of this forum.

Personal Note: This (rather bold) assumption also includes yourself. You also seem to have changed your tune or switched to a different counting criteria, because a while ago it was three members (if memory serves).

How close do you think/believe you are to "capture SM"? When asking such "questions", always start with the Man in the Mirror.

I believe many here people already did it but they don't talk openly about it, the same goes for the Stone.

I believe this is a very valid assumption. And also wonderfully phrased as such, as a belief/assumption, as opposed to declaring it as some sort of fact.

I have shared more about this in private with some people here, but only because they appear like genuine & honest people and are devoid of any grandstanding or megalomaniacal overtones.

Mod Note: You only get to speak for yourself with such statements. Speaking deterministically on behalf of others (like boldly and publicly stating as truth and fact what the "others" have or haven't achieved) is a branch of trolling & also deliberately instigating.

Adding "I believe" or "I assume" or "I have reason to believe" to such bold statements/assumptions about other people, most of which you've probably never met, let alone visited their labs, makes a world of a difference.

Unless you DID personally inspect each and every past and present member of this forum AND also miraculously manged to prove a negative. Absence of Evidence is NOT the same as Evidence of Absence. This is known as the logical fallacy of argumentum ad ignorantiam. And no, divining some "statistics" from the alleged "All Knowing" doesn't count.

 

[Kibric]

A perfect example of a post that displays all the things I cant say about a member, without being banned.

Its formulated to bait.

 

[Andro]

Mod Clarification

It's formulated to bait.

Posts that are "formulated to bait" in order to provoke/elicit certain reactions, especially emotional ones, definitely fall into the category of trolling. Without naming names, certain past forum members used to do this quite a lot and they are unfortunately no longer with us.

I'm saying "unfortunately" because otherwise they had lots of knowledge to share on various topics. That's why it's such a shame that otherwise highly knowledgeable people, with plenty of valuable input to share, feel compelled to set themselves up as "truth-tellers", "teachers", "alchemical clarifiers", "performance graders", "separators of wheat from chaff" or "inquisitors", and incite & provoke in such ways

 

[Awani]

"It's said that the journey of a thousand miles starts with the first step but if that first step is in the wrong direction you might find yourself a thousand miles off from where you want to be".

“By seeking and blundering we learn.”
― Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

"The errors of a wise man make your rule, rather than the perfections of a fool."
― William Blake

 

[Andro]

"It's said that the journey of a thousand miles starts with the first step but if that first step is in the wrong direction you might find yourself a thousand miles off from where you want to be".

Rarely is that proverbial "first step" NOT in the "wrong" direction.

I'd think that for the truly wise, course corrections and direction/navigation adjustments are likely to occur at each and every step.

 

[black]

I don't think so, I believe many here people already did it but they don't talk openly about it, the same goes for the Stone.

Hello Jahara

Jahara you and a few other members may have misread my post .... "There has not been one member that has discovered how to capture SM (Spiritus Mundi) since the beginning of this forum".

I did not say there were no members capturing and working with SM (Our Mercury).

In my opinion there are a very few members here that do know how to collect SM (Our Mercury) but they joined the forum having already discovered their collection method and to my understanding they are continuing with their research into Alchemy.

My hope is that one or more members will soon have that aha moment/eureka moment and also be working with SM.


@ Andro/Mod and Kibric

I did not start this thread to bait anyone and again I would like to make it very clear to all the members that anything written on this forum by me is only my opinion.

I am genuinely interested in hearing if any members think they are closer to the capture of SM over the years and why they think so.

This thread was not designed to generate anger or discord of any type.

If it has angered any of the members then please a accept my apology.

 

[black]

Rarely is that proverbial "first step" NOT in the "wrong" direction.

I'd think that for the truly wise, course corrections and direction/navigation adjustments are likely to occur at each and every step.

Exactly Andro ... and that is why I'm putting these questions to the members.

Over the years that I have been working in the lab my, Teacher gives me specific tasks, some of these tasks require some years and these are the two questions that I continually ask myself.

"Am I getting any closer" and "why do I think so".

 

[Andro]

Jahara you and a few other members may have misread my post ... "There has not been one member that has discovered how to capture SM (Spiritus Mundi) since the beginning of this forum".

Then express yourself more clearly. Leave the vagueness to politicians.

In my opinion...

That's SO much better. Let's keep it that way, without any further recidivism.

...but they joined the forum having already discovered their collection method and to my understanding they are continuing with their research into Alchemy.

You are very much wrong here, but at least this time you added that it's only your opinion, to which you are of course entitled. After all, it's your constitutional right to be wrong

If it has angered any of the members then please a accept my apology.

Rather than "apologizing" every time something like this occurs, I find it so much more efficient and energy conserving to just not do it again.

 

[black]

“By seeking and blundering we learn.”
― Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

"The errors of a wise man make your rule, rather than the perfections of a fool."
― William Blake

I totally agree Awani.

I'm only asking if those that choose to respond to this post question their blunders and learn from them and move forward in a positive direction.

There are some people in this world that can't recognise their blunders and continue to make the same mistakes over and over again.

And that may be just what they need to do in this life time.

Thank you for your comment to this post and I hope more members will also share.

 

[Lakshmana]

I feel like I'm close

I'm the best at blundering and never quitting

 

[Illen A. Cluf]

There has not been one member that has discovered how to capture SM (Spiritus Mundi) since the beginning of this forum.

That is not true. When I joined the forum I had no idea how to capture SM. Since then, I have managed to captured "some" SM. Not much, but "some", enough to convince me of the process. You already knew that, so why you made that statement is beyond me.

However the process is very susceptible to location, and the location I live in is not conducive to capture SM practically. I know of other ways that are far more effective for all Latitudes, but have only done preliminary experiments with these processes so far. It requires some items that I don't yet have.

 

[Jahara]

Since then, I have mangaged to captured "some" SM. Not much, but "some", enough to convince me of the process.

I was going to say this too. I already captured some SM but I have lost it doing various tests in many paths. As I've read in this forum, mainly on "Celestial Agriculture" thread, the majotiry are stuck in the part to get LOTS of SM enough to do the work.

Hey Illen I know this a bit off topic, but what would be the best location to get SM?

 

[microwatt]

isnt SM just dew? or maybe its urine. the possibilities are endless.

 

[Illen A. Cluf]

Hey Illen I know this a bit off topic, but what would be the best location to get SM?

It depends on which method you use (I know of at least about 5 different methods).

But, if you are referring to the more traditional approach, where latitude matters, then I have heard that Mexico might be one of the better locations. I know of at least one alchemist who travelled there for that specific purpose. He was able to obtain a LOT of SM there using the very same process that didn't provide much in his home location.

 

[Illen A. Cluf]

isnt SM just dew?

"Dew" is a word that contains a lot of meanings, just like the word "mercury".

Ordinary dew does contain SM, but you would have to collect dozens of barrels' worth to extract enough for an operation, if you could even find a successful way of extracting it.

 

[Jahara]

where latitude matters

Could you explain more about this or give some book or aricle? thanks

 

[microwatt]

I think the southwest would be a good place. If new woo does on in sedona that must mean there is alot of SM available there.

 

[Kibric]

This quote has stirred me to pose a few simple questions to the members.*

Sure it has.

There has not been one member that has discovered how to capture SM (Spiritus Mundi) since the beginning of this forum.

Not 3 like Andro pointed out. Not you either then?

"There has not been one member that has discovered how to capture SM (Spiritus Mundi) since the beginning of this forum".

I did not say there were no members capturing and working with SM (Our Mercury).

What? You just said they were no members. How can you be capturing SM and not know how to capture it.
You going back on yourself trying to defend your ego.

You are wrong anyway as you are about most things.

My hope is that one or more members will soon have that aha moment/eureka moment and also be working with SM.

Also... There it is. Uncle alchemy and his ego.

You not sincere or genuine. You ask the same banal questions in an attempt to generate a discussion on alchemy that you become the font of wisdom for.

Thank you for your comment to this post and I hope more members will also share.*

Gee thanks corporate. Thats not false. I really believe that.

 

[tAlc]

Are you any closer ?

"It's said that the journey of a thousand miles starts with the first step but if that first step is in the wrong direction you might find yourself a thousand miles off from where you want to be".

This quote has stirred me to pose a few simple questions to the members.

There are many members with many different points of view as to the capture of SM (Our Mercury).

There has not been one member that has discovered how to capture SM (Spiritus Mundi) since the beginning of this forum.

Do any members think they are any closer to the capture of SM (Our Mercury) today after perhaps 5, 10, 20, 30 or more years of searching for it ?

And if you think you are closer to this knowledge then why do you think this to be so ?

The only thing I'm concerned with right now is collecting more materials for my work. That's all. Feel free to share how to collect the materials in 20 hours if you want to, that would help, but I don't expect you to, but just throwing this out there hahaha

I believe I'm close, because I can cross-translate my understanding of Alchemy over to Magic. Before I could do this, I was able to comprehend the As Above So Below, to many things around me... Like Male and Female, Inward and Outward, Earth's Sky and the Ground below, Hot and Cold, I was able to see a pattern of Twos everywhere I was looking and Twos sometimes came in as 1, or in 3s... Then, I related what I was seeing to where to find the starting material... It was actually someone who was banned that helped open my mind up tremendously, before that, I was kind of lost, without him, I possibly could have still been.

A perfect example of a post that displays all the things I cant say about a member, without being banned.

Its formulated to bait.

You don't have to respond then to @Black's posts. Do I, tAlchemist, reply to every single post on this forum? Obviously not and I won't try to. You don't have to either, whenever a thread comes up that isn't to your liking.

You can effortlessly defeat @Black with his strong assertions for yourself. Don't feed his posts/threads... The ones that want to reply/feed will do so, and if you aren't one of those people, then his responses will be more limited. I happen to greatly appreciate his posts btw, kudos to him for keeping them going there are some of us that like his posts!

 

[tAlc]

I do value and appreciate the growing concern people have over strong assertions. I think it serves as a very good thing. Serving as a filter between facts/fiction, knowing and belief, certainty and uncertainty.

How does one showcase genuine alchemical understanding without putting oneself at risk? This individual, should be I think, allowed to speak with ''authority''.

Let such an individual speak with authority. With knowingness and certainty. It's better I think, then allowing the forum to call a bunch of non-alchemical processes as alchemical, we will be able to narrow down what alchemy is and what it isn't a lot better... My question is, how does one showcase such understanding to such a point without risk. Without the showcasing, I think it's all up to interpretation... at least, this is what it seems to me... I've seen some of the most brightest and most smartest people here talk about alchemy, and even with these people, some people couldn't ''see'' what they were trying to convey... Maybe all that's left is to physically showcase understanding of the art. Until then, interpretation, interpretation.

 

[Bellsprout]

This thread is possibly a bit doomed if people don't agree on what is SM, or else make it clear in their postings which substance they're talking about. It seems there are several different substances kicking around here.

For instance, Black (if I remember rightly) has made a substance that he calls "SM" which he says will dissolve gold "like ice in water", and says that this is a very important test to identify SM.
Andro (if I remember rightly) has made a substance that he calls "SM" which reacts in some way with gold but doesn't dissolve it as dramatically as Black's, but he doesn't think this is the most important test and thinks that other tests are more important.
And whether what old alchemical texts call "SM" was "Black's SM", "Andro's SM", or something else, and indeed whether they were all talking about the same substance or not, is something that not everyone here agrees on.

It's rather interesting, really - whether or not any of the candidates being discussed on this forum at the moment are "the real SM" used by people who succeeded in making the Philosopher's Stone (if anyone ever did), more than one of them sounds very unusual and possibly useful to study further, so we have more than one interesting discovery. But I'm not sure that putting them all in the same basket and then arguing about which of them is the real true owner of the basket is going to get anyone anywhere.

 

[Illen A. Cluf]

Could you explain more about this or give some book or aricle? thanks

It's one of the closest held secrets in alchemy, and there's no books that I know of that directly explain it. Many only hint at it.

As a huge start, I would suggest that you first read the entire Spiritus Mundi thread that was created here on Alchemy Forums:

. - Spiritus Mundi

It is said that in the End-Days, all that is secret and hidden would be openly revealed. Not just the secrets we think we desperately want to uncover, not just the mysteries of Creation, Nature and Art... But also the secrets so many of us are scared to find out - or to be found out about...

alchemyforums.com

If you read it carefully, you will likely learn more from it than any book or article. In fact, it would likely take less time to read it all than if you were to read a full book. And, it's free and very valuable information. It doesn't explain it all, but explains it better than most books, and provides a great starting point.

 

[Kibric]

You are right. Its like knowing someone is bullshitting and not being able to resist calling them out.
I mean if you played an instrument for decades and someone pretends they can play by annoucing their authority on the subject. But you are right.