Appleheads Practice

[Pilgrim]

You can keep waiting for someone to present the stone on a silver platter with a simple step-by-step guide on how it was made. It's not gonna happen, not because people are not sharing openly, but because you yourself are unable to realize that you are the one who has to study what is already available and perform the internal and external trials. Then, more doors will open... it could be considered a test.

Lazarus performed no trials. Jesus healed him openly and plainly. Just as he healed :

- the official's son at Capernaum in Galilee
- Peter's mother-in-law
- the leper
- the centurion's paralyzed servant
- the paralysed man
- the widow's son in Nain
- Jairus' daughter
- the blind man
- the deaf and dumb man

and many more.

He didn't sit there like a total schmuck and say "if you want to get healed you best read these 100 old texts and try and work out how to make medicine from them"

The Stone is for all. Not just for a few self-appointed power-mad individuals.

All the above stated, Jesus, sadly, was himself yet another who kept the Stone for himself and his chums. He deliberately withheld the knowledge from the people saying:

"Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand"

As benevolent as religion makes Jesus out to be, he nevertheless kept the Stone from himself and thus countless people died as a result of him failing to give them the Stone itself, failing to teach them how to grow/multiply it and/or failing to teach them how to make it. This for me mars and stains the atypical image of Jesus as presented to us by corrupt religions. I will have no part of those religions and belief systems. They are pious nonsense.

 

[Christophorus]

Turn the poop into compost while adding urine regularly.
Let it release all superfluous odors so it is a dark earth with many oils.

Or hummus, for instance. I will try, in the future to work with it. The water from it (if made on the ground), generally stays around the knee level, near the clay.

 

[Lakshmana]

I've tried it and a red oil was distilled out of it gently in a wide alembic the remaining earth was calcined and the two where combined and circulated then very slowly evaporated in a tall neck volumetric kind of flask precipitates where filtered until left with red crystals.

I messed it up a bit by burning but good first attempt. (with chicken poop black humus from Forest and urinating on the compost pile for a whole summer)

 

[Christophorus]

Nice. With a similar matter, but moister, I was able to extract a water that after several rectifications got very sharp. That water, imbibed on the calcined earth progressively revealed 2 different white salts. Fixed and Volatile ones.
I'm currently working on the same matter in 2 different ways. One is through a Long path, the other in a short one, but the shorter the trickier. Ripley and Bacstrom have been of help. I'm also studying the Centrum Naturae Concentratum by Ali Puli. Its very good.

 

[Lakshmana]

Post in thread 'Cyliani'
https://alchemyforums.com/index.php?threads/cyliani.1725/post-75635

Not all pee-pee times are poo-poo times,
But all poo-poo times are also pee-pee times,
If you can't see that, I can't help you, lol just kidding.

We follow nature, yes?

 

[Argento Vivo]

@Pilgrim

And who gets to decide who is mature enough? Who is worthy enough? Who can be "trusted"?

The circle completes and just goes round and round. The truth is that the groups that have the Stone are just participating in the same sham. Wanting to set themselves apart from everyone else, being one up on everyone else, shouldering some sick and twisted notion that they are in some way better than everyone else, more mature, more worthy, more deserving.

We are all the same. We are all human. All hopelessly flawed. Forcing people to believe a particular set of dogma, a particular religion or belief system as a prerequisite to being deemed mature or worthy enough is just the age old form of power, control and ruling obsession and ultimately just evil.

Keeping medicine for yourself and the tiny number of people you choose to administer it to is simply wicked beyond belief whilst millions perish around you for lack of such medicine.

I think it may stress and obsess people, to study a topic that is highly cryptographed and hidden (rightly), and we all have ups and downs in our search for the Hermetical Arcanum. Some will even burn out, some will go cuckoo, and others will immerse in an Ocean of nothingness.

Persevering will give fruits... Like watering a plant, it may be a challenge to water it the right way, the right amount etc, but if we persist the plant will grow nicely. Is it tough? Yes. As all writers say at the beginning of texts: ask God a blessing, and work hard.

So this being said, let's quote some official rules given in the Vienna ms for the GuRC of Ancient System (XVIII century):

The brother should not write any books about our secrets, not even against them, so that he may
not offend the mighty God.

If the brothers want to talk about the Mysterium, they must do so only in private, so that everyone
can open their hearts and they can share & practice with each other.

It is forbidden to make projections before any man who has not been accepted by us (the
brotherhood), since it is about the honor of the art. But be careful that it can occur safely, if not, then you
must immediately leave the place

One should also be careful to guard against making precious stones or pearls and carrying them
with you. It is forbidden to betray someone from our home and also to confess to someone to know the
terms of our blessed stone and reveal the manipulation, coagulation or solution of the Mysterium.

Similar ly, no brother should start working in a place without having previously lived there a year
and he must know his surroundings, and must also avoid all the "ignorant professors."

A brother should not reveal his wealth to anyone and must particularly protect himself before all
religious since they carry under the name of the high priests the devil in their heart. With the words of the
Almighty they hide their easy way. That is why a brother must flee them, because there is seldom any good
to expect from them, since they readily claim the esteem of the person before all men. Thus in 1641, in
Austria, we lost two of our brothers because of their friendly and open attitude.

Similar ly, a brother should not tell anyone, when he leaves a place for a trip, when and where he
will go if he is asked. And when he wants to travel at daybreak, he must say “after midnight.” And if he
cannot go back to this place then he can write to the owner of the house that the business he left behind be
distributed to the poor.

Also a brother should, when he would absent-mindedly stuck in a mishap and be discovered by a
sovereign to commit suicide rather than him reveal the Mysterium, since God alone is given to reveal the
Mysterium, but not us, men, and if the brother is faithful to Supreme God, he may have the more certainty
to be honored before the throne of the Lamb.

Here it is asked of the brother if he wants to retain inviolable points and read them all if well
understood. If he testifies with a yes, we must give the sign of peace, that is to say of the palm, then the
new brother has to kneel and of them they must embrace three times and say, "Dear brother, we order you
to silence." When this happens, the Imperator in his priestly clothing goes to him accompanied by two
elderly (among these are the new brother).

At that time the brother should raise his right hand to the body Urim, raise his thumb and first two
fingers, place his left hand on the heart and say what follows:

"I, <insert name> promise to God and eternal life not to disclose to any man without permission of
the secrest here present and all Mysteria, to me and taught me will be taught by you, but to keep it
sealed in me for life with the seal natural not to reveal the smallest thing of any brother, even of the
name, or the imperator, and not to show anyone the stone. This I swear to God's presence as eternal
silence even in danger of my life. So help me God and his Holy Word."

Same and even more strict rules are found in an early italian RC handwriting, describing absolute bomb proof secrecy which not kept would bring curse and death. In the german Sincero Renato documents is again found the exact same mindset. And this were the most important and widespread groups in Europe for ages.

So there is not much more to say on the topic of secret in alchemy, since humanity didn't become better nowadays compared to then. You can find elucidations on this moral matters in the Hermetica (so we have not changed as humanity in 2000 years).

In conclusion, the egoism is the problem... the stone is not a way to free yourself from ego, it is pure power (note that it is neutral, not good not evil... is just power.), this is why we can find some black magic grimoires written by people who did in fact discover this huge power source, but used it for the evil. Or Lully who financed the Crusade against the muslims, in the name of European superiority. So, i think what Christophorus wrote is correct.

@Appleheads i dont think there are big differences among matters (its just the husk and shape that appears different, but all fruit contain the sugar. The trick is always to get how to extract that "sugar")

Anyway urine has potential to make several good solvents, from the more basic and useless to the more complex towards the philosophicals. The same is true about human excrement. It appears little more scary to work on it though. A mix of both matters opens good horizons in the works, this is why many named this path the "Opus Maximo".

 

[Argento Vivo]

Because back then the establishments of the time were deeming alchemy to be heretical.

Oh, and let's not forget about Thomas Aquinas (who was the main authority about ethics moral religion and life for the Church) who wrote in his Summa Theologiae that transmutation of metal to gold was absolutely legit, given the honesty of the person performing such. And that this kind of gold obtained would have, if legit, the same value as commonly obtained gold. And we are talking about Thomas Aquinas. Still an authority and studied in philosophy and theology universities.

Plus, there are several documents, in which some politicians or lawyers were dealing on the same topic (transmutation being ok if not a fraud), so setting up gold testing etc.

Apart from this we can see how many christian authorities were actually studying and practising alchemy: Roger Bacon, Thomas Aquinas, we also have the christian Geber (whose real name was friar Paolo) (who is not the persian Jabir), Raymond Geoffrey, Jean de Rocquetaillade, and so on. Nobody condemned them for this interests they had. Some were condemned for other reasons, but alchemy? No.

Expressing some opinions much distant from the dogmas of the time was a crime indeed. But if you could prove by quoting Plato's or Aristotele's concepts of Quintessence, or the like, i think you could be allright by practicing alchemy.

Performing black magic and goetic conjurings was more dangerous.

 

[Pilgrim]

So this being said, let's quote some official rules given in the Vienna ms for the GuRC of Ancient System (XVIII century):

. . . . .

Same and even more strict rules are found in an early italian RC handwriting, describing absolute bomb proof secrecy which not kept would bring curse and death. In the german Sincero Renato documents is again found the exact same mindset. And this were the most important and widespread groups in Europe for ages.

All you have done there AV is underpin what I have said, which is that those with the Stone are obsessed with the power it bestows and seek to keep it for themselves and thereby consign everyone else to a life of suffering, decrepitude and ultimate death. It's appalling.
The whole schtick about good and bad is utter utter BS of the highest order.
The notion that the religious zealots who claim to follow God or follow a given religion must be deemed "good" is as wrong as it is absurd. Christianity/Catholicism has harboured some of the most prolific "kiddy fiddlers" in history. The Freemasonic Brotherhood likewise is riddled with wicked people, power-mad despots who sought power, status and wealth through nefarious means. Not all of course. Every group/society in existence is a muddle of good and bad.

No-one, but no-one, that is human, is worthy to have the Stone. Every single one of us is a flawed species, full of good and bad. Anyone or any group that sets themselves up as superior to the rest of humanity is/are just lying despots. They are simply abusing power that has been given to them or which they have been gifted by others. The nonsense with oaths is simply the control mechanism to ensure that the specific group maintains that status quo.

If it were possible to grab hold of all the water in the world then some despotic group would do it and hold all of humanity to ransom, making them pay dearly for every drop completely uncaring about how many died through lack of water.

What is even more laughable is these kind of groups often present themselves as a means to evolve quicker, to raise yourself to a higher frequency and somehow become a better person. Yet underlying the whole belief system is the fact that they are keeping the Stone from billions of suffering people. That's not evolusion. That's the opposite. It's sinking further and further into darkness, evil and hell.

 

[Argento Vivo]

No-one, but no-one, that is human, is worthy to have the Stone.

OK. Let's not give it to swines and thieves.

 

[Kibric]

Kibric, anything freely given cannot be stolen. Even so, I already told you I never did that. But, enough is enough.
Your attitude, toward sharing personal info given to you in bona fide, is not admissible.
I understand your situation, but by any means, I'm responsible for the choices you made throughout life. The ones that brought you to the point you are. Learn from it or don't. Honestly, I hope you do.
This is the last message I will address you. Our paths diverge from this point forward.
Good luck and Godspeed.

Want me to share the messages of you asking to pick back up my work? Last year. " please respond" etc. You are a snake.

 

[Jimmy Rig]

I think we have veered off topic..

 

[Andro]

Mod Post

Kibric, anything freely given cannot be stolen. Even so, I already told you I never did that. But, enough is enough.
Your attitude, toward sharing personal info given to you in bona fide, is not admissible.
I understand your situation, but by any means, I'm responsible for the choices you made throughout life. The ones that brought you to the point you are. Learn from it or don't. Honestly, I hope you do.
This is the last message I will address you. Our paths diverge from this point forward.
Good luck and Godspeed.

Want me to share the messages of you asking to pick back up my work? Last year. " please respond" etc. You are a snake.

This kind of stuff is better left for private exchanges, if at all. Also, let's avoid personal name-calling, please, regardless if publicly or privately.

Additional Mod Note:

If anyone wishes to comment on "secrecy", "worthyness", "evil elites keeping the stone for themselves", etc., please do so on the secrecy thread. We already have enough threads spiraling away from their original topics.

 

[Jimmy Rig]

I’m thinking the method closest to the human constitution would be something from man, because of its closeness to my living being, and probably would be best for a tincture. I am very hesitant to work with metals or minerals as that seems to be dangerous, but some people swear by it.

I am going to try all the methods on my list.

The more lab work the better just be cautious when working with anything hazardous. Since you are so interested in urine and feces; know that they can apparently be used to obtain a quintessence or to make a transmutation stone but these source(s) are not nearly as potent as the blood. Consider that your body pulls the best essences from the foods you eat and combines with the air you breath to create your blood. It in a way is your "highly rectified fluid". Urine; is an excess derived from and watered down from blood. It can be used but is not as effective IMO.
(I have worked with urine extensively when I first became interested in alchemy and learned alot/saw some interesting things but more than anything caused a big stink!)
Urine+Feces manifested some very interesting results but now a-days I feel the best about working with herbs due to the least apparent danger there until I really have a solid grasp on what we are doing in the lab. The book "The Alchemists Handbook" by Frater Albertus has great tutorials for the minor circulation/spagyrics which would IMO give anyone a start into the types of procedures helpful to the aspiring alchemist.
I think working with minerals/metals is of importance when we are trying to obtain the Spritus Mundi (the solvent); as they are apparently the most potent source for obtaining it outside of direct methods not utilizing any "matter/magnet" also if we want to make a transmutation stone for metals the quintessence will need to be specified to the metal in order to transmute. This will make it no good for medicine (so I hear)
You can have a SM from the vegetable realm and also the animal, they are all the "same" although the frequency is not the same between them.
When it comes to vegetable works; grape alcohol has the highest vibratory rate available in the vegetable kingdom which is why highly rectified grape alcohol is generally used as a menstrum when working in THAT kingdom.

I have been thinking how many authors mention Urine and the ICH lineage mentions a clay from the mine of man. So I am leaning in that direction right now, as I feel it is in line with the emerald tablet. above below below above wind in the belly sort of thing. Two matter, but one, but three from the same root.

I think there are interesting things to discover working with these two things. IF so; I would make sure that my diet is as organic as possible to give the best chance of a spiritual harvest. If you eat living foods all the better in this case. Never know until you try. Be cautious of the potential for smell.

I started Urine therapy about two months ago and it has been very revealing. I notice when I feel bad it has something to do with what I ate. Too much salt, too much processed garbage etc, it comes through in the taste. The sodium benzoate’s are especially harsh, through the olives which I adore.

I did urine therapy about 10 years ago for about 2 years and I received many benefits, clearer soft skin and my internal organs thanked me. I started drinking alcohol heavy and fell off the wagon of raw vegan food. The urine was so bad I stopped practicing. Blubbery and full of shit.

I have been trying to find books and information on urine therapy. Theres a good youtube channel but most results say you should never drink urine. What a load of crap. Yes it is gross at first but it has stem cells in it. Which cost a fortune. The amniotic fluid is 98% urine when a fetus is gestating in the womb. Also some yoga practice mentions it. In survival situations it could save my life.

I have also had positive experiences with shimbavu in the past; but only if the diet is healthy and the water intake is good.
I think if you put good materials in, you get good materials out.
IF you are eating healthy though I doubt you would have any need to experiment with this any longer.
I think used topically is the best when it comes to urine. Think your scalp and rashes.

Its apparent you are doing lots of thinking which is good; let us know what you discover.
Also, I believe alchemy to be a divine science so establishing a communication with the divine (which created all you intend to experiment with) would be most beneficial.
"All is written with one hand."

 

[Kibric]

"It's something very personal both for you and me. That was and is our agreement.

I hope things are going well for you. I will probably restart working in OUR ( my work ) procedures in October/November. "
LF

Christophorus knew fuck all before he stole my research for himself, but AF supports plagraism and blantant theft of others work. My procedures Chris because I taught them to you, you stole them and tell your church friends. I'm gonna be doxing you to all people of the net, you evil snake.

 

[Argento Vivo]

The more lab work the better just be cautious when working with anything hazardous. Since you are so interested in urine and feces; know that they can apparently be used to obtain a quintessence or to make a transmutation stone but these source(s) are not nearly as potent as the blood. Consider that your body pulls the best essences from the foods you eat and combines with the air you breath to create your blood. It in a way is your "highly rectified fluid". Urine; is an excess derived from and watered down from blood. It can be used but is not as effective IMO.
(I have worked with urine extensively when I first became interested in alchemy and learned alot/saw some interesting things but more than anything caused a big stink!)
Urine+Feces manifested some very interesting results but now a-days I feel the best about working with herbs due to the least apparent danger there until I really have a solid grasp on what we are doing in the lab. The book "The Alchemists Handbook" by Frater Albertus has great tutorials for the minor circulation/spagyrics which would IMO give anyone a start into the types of procedures helpful to the aspiring alchemist.
I think working with minerals/metals is of importance when we are trying to obtain the Spritus Mundi (the solvent); as they are apparently the most potent source for obtaining it outside of direct methods not utilizing any "matter/magnet" also if we want to make a transmutation stone for metals the quintessence will need to be specified to the metal in order to transmute. This will make it no good for medicine (so I hear)
You can have a SM from the vegetable realm and also the animal, they are all the "same" although the frequency is not the same between them.
When it comes to vegetable works; grape alcohol has the highest vibratory rate available in the vegetable kingdom which is why highly rectified grape alcohol is generally used as a menstrum when working in THAT kingdom.


I think there are interesting things to discover working with these two things. IF so; I would make sure that my diet is as organic as possible to give the best chance of a spiritual harvest. If you eat living foods all the better in this case. Never know until you try. Be cautious of the potential for smell.

I have also had positive experiences with shimbavu in the past; but only if the diet is healthy and the water intake is good.
I think if you put good materials in, you get good materials out.
IF you are eating healthy though I doubt you would have any need to experiment with this any longer.
I think used topically is the best when it comes to urine. Think your scalp and rashes.

Its apparent you are doing lots of thinking which is good; let us know what you discover.
Also, I believe alchemy to be a divine science so establishing a communication with the divine (which created all you intend to experiment with) would be most beneficial.
"All is written with one hand."

Hey, matters are all very interesting, one just needs to grasp the technique to split it up and take out what one's seeking in it (may be Spirit, a magnet, a sulfur etc).

I don't think that alcohol per se is rich in energy though (im not sure if you meant this), but by addition of Spirit in alcohol one obtains a philosophers mentrusm of interesting properties (Basil Valentine used it in his testament).

With little effort and some time at hand one can obtain interesting compounds out of urine+feces, IMO more valuable than take a peepee-shampoo.

 

[nav2010]

Not often I comment on arguments. Channel your energy away from the negative and into the positive. Stay on your journey, make it yours and if you wish to share it do so, if you don't then don't. No good will come of arguments.

 

[Awani]

...but AF supports plagraism and blantant theft of others work...

We don't have any idea what the fuck you are talking about. Don't straw man and invent shit that doesn't exist. We don't do background checks on everything posted. Do you think this place is a service funded by the State?

 

[Andro]

Mod Post

I'm gonna be doxing you to all people of the net, you evil snake.

In addition to what Awany said above, there will be absolutely no doxxing on this forum. We have no control over what happens elsewhere on the net, but we strongly discourage this practice. Also, no personal attacks of any kind. What people say to each other in private communications is their business. Any interpersonal issues there may be, please address/resolve them privately.

 

[Appleheads]

My jars of excrement have been changing recently, the color was a raw sienna when I started, and the top has become dark green and almost black. It is interesting, grey matter seems to grow between the pockets of bubbles within the matter, though it could be moisture.

I think the last time I posted the matter was up to the 16 oz mark in my jars, now it seems they have fallen down to the 12 oz mark. The jar without added urine has a darker top than the jar with the urine, but both tops are darker than the matter below.

The pockets of gas in the matter also exhibit a yellow liquid in both jars. Not every pocket but some of them. The jar without added urine is more liquid within parts of the matter, has more movement and active bubbling.

At the bottom of each jar is a tiny amount of red substance, oil or grit. Very weird. I find it fascinating because I have never studied excrement that much in my life as much as urine. The Book of aquarius method had me convinced of urine for a while. I am so grateful for the Cyliani thread.

I am thinking of starting a thread on human excrement and urine, it could be a great discussion. If anyone is aware that there is a thread on that topic all ready, please send it this way.

 

[Appleheads]

I have been getting more progress with phosphenism, I notice subtitles in the shape and intensity of the phosphene when I do the corresponding head movements, for example when I turn my head left the phosphene looks one way and then turn right and it looks slightly different, has a different shape.

One morning I woke up with a phosphene in my vision, though there was no light. It was very peculiar.

I have two jars of excrement and one I have added nothing too, just sealed excrement.

The other jar I have been adding urine. I added urine the other day at the ratio of a tenth of total matter. The excrement took about 36 hours to absorb all the urine and it swelled up to the 16 oz mark again. Also the reddish glitter substance at the bottom disappeared after adding the urine. I added more urine because the jar seemed very dry, not completely dry, but it seemed it could use some more.

I hope to buy an ozone generator in the near future and try some of the nav2010 experiments. What has been shared has piqued my interest.

 

[Appleheads]

A few weeks ago I added 3/10 of urine to my jar of feces. It has pretty much stopped, I think jar 1 is kaput, as I have no idea how to continue the ferment. It seems too much liquid had slowed down the process to a rate that would take my life time. Perhaps I will keep it. I have been cutting out all fats and proteins except for the negligible protein in the spinach and vegetables I eat. I am hoping to have a couple weeks of eating fruits for lunch, and cabbage and carrots for dinner to create a better base. Good bye corn chips and bean salads. The cabbage and carrot is amazing. Why I never knew about it before is still a mystery. Truly food of the gods. I hope to create jar number 3 with a greener tint rather than the pale brown yellow from consuming too much peanut butter when I filled jar 1 and 2. I love peanut butter but I can not consume the daily recommended amount of 2 tablespoons, I eat 2 lbs in a sitting. So much fat. I knew better from retaking biology class 3 times. The cells use carbohydrates, they turn it into ethanol. DUH. how could I be so stupid. any way I love this forum and the many great thinkers that inhabit it. Toodle loo.

 

[Lakshmana]

That's pretty rancid, put it on a dish protected from dust and rain but allow it to slowly evaporate until the stink is out then you could work with it like a compost.

 

[Appleheads]

Peculiar, very peculiar. I will keep that in mind.

 

[Appleheads]

I have put my jars of rancid matter outside, after a summer, I must realize I am so far off track, though I thought i knew something about alchemy, I do not know shiza. Who wants to live forever anyway. I have been going through the motions and I think it would blow. MY occupation has taken forefront of my time, I have spent little time in studying and little time in nano technology. It continues though I realize I am like that movie Deliverance.

 

[Appleheads]

As for my route in phosphenes it has been getting better and progressing. I can call forth many different images. I can coax and bend my inner images which is a relief, as most of my life has been a propagandized matrix. Some animals are more equal than others sort of thing.