Appleheads Practice

[Appleheads]

I have been reading some great threads, and have been deciding on which way to go, so some of the things I am thinking to start with are

Dew water
Snow
Rain
Amanita and its grail fleece, wine, and bread
Acacia
Ergot
Urine
Feces
Pyrite or Marcasite
Milk
Salt
Calcium Chlorite
Limestone or some calcium containing minerals like gypsum or calcium chloride/chlorate
Asphalt
Crude oil or other hydrocarbons
Dirt


I am in the preparation stage, studying reading and compiling notes. I am writing down the basic processes I read, and trying to find the commonality in all of them and go from there. I hesitate to get into the common metals path as it seems to be very popular, but from what little I have read, the philosophers said not to confuse the philosophical materials with the common.

The more I read the less I know.

On the 16th of December 2023 I read to collect the urine from a young man who drank as much wine as he likes. Since I am referred to as young man so often, I decided to experiment. I thought well Brandy is the spirit of wine so... I bought and consumed a pint of brandy a half pint of fireball whiskey, 2 hours later I bought another pint of brandy and some nasty white wine from a vineyard in South Africa. I drank that bottle in twenty minutes and then had a few more sips of the brandy.

I remember lying down to bed shortly after and then sometime in the morning I stumbled outside to relieve myself. I found myself in a ditch covered in mud and urine with my pants down in the back yard. I writhed for a while trying to get up but ended up staying there for a few hours I suppose, I do not remember but my pants told the story, and I do remember my face appreciated the cooling effect of the ground. I wretched into a corner of the basement, hidden under a table, like when I used to have cats. I didn’t find it for a few days until it was thoroughly dried to the concrete...

In the morning I collected nasty, reddish orange, thick urine, which has been putrefying in a mason jar since the “event” I hope it was worth it, but I don’t think I will drink alcohol after that. It was brutal. I was sick for days and I don’t recommend drinking anyway. It is just not fun. I will stick to mushrooms and sassafras tea.

If i stuck to the liquor I probably would have felt okay, whenever I add wine to my system I get the worst feelings I have ever had. The horrible self condemnation of the next morning is no fun. How wine ever became a sacrament is beyond me. I straight up turn into a fiendish devil. The propaganda around wine consumption used to get me, have some wine with dinner, Jesus did it, its sophisticated, etc, but I think it sucks honestly. I have the bug anyway, can’t stop once I have one. Barf flavor in a bottle. I actually chose Zosimus as my confirmation name when I was still going to Church. The patron saint of the door greeter. Weird how I read about an alchemist also named the Zos.

I have the urine hidden from the sun, but wonder how do I work with it if I have to keep it out of the light? How do I see what I am doing? Is it like photography and I can use a red light? Seems kind of gross to me, but I am willing to put in the effort.

Some of the texts I have been reading lately are
BOA
Golden Chain of Homer
The Book of Abraham
The Amorc manuscripts
The works of Hollandus

I have been reading the threads on this forum called
The Celestial Agriculture
HIM
HIM Water
Calcium
Valuable Alchemical Texts
And my favorite so far has been the thread titled
Cyliani

I am reading and rereading the ICH and Cyliani texts and noticed that the direction of clay was very interesting. I have been researching all about clay and ancient road construction. Clay in the old days had quite a bit of crushed limestone added. Some of the roads were concrete, which would also contain lime. I think there is something to it. Perhaps even sealed with asphalt.

What stuck out to me in Hermes Unveiled on page 14 of a pdf I downloaded,

"I then saw two superb crystal vases each resting on a pedestal made of
the most beautiful marble of Earrara."


So, I looked up Earrara and instead autocorrect found Carrara marble, with a calcium content and it made me think about the posters that mention Calcite. I looked up the etymology of Limestone and Chalk. The word in english cwicfyr for sulfur makes me think. As for chalk, the latin calx reminds me how a lot of the writings reference calx.



quicklime (n.)

"caustic lime, lime not yet slaked with water," late 14c., from quick (adj.) "living" + lime (n.1). A loan-translation of Latin calx viva. So called perhaps for being unquenched, or for the vigorousness of its qualities; compare Old English cwicfyr "sulfur."

chalk (n.)

Old English cealc "chalk, soft white limestone; lime, plaster; pebble," a West Germanic borrowing from Latin calx (2) "limestone, lime (crushed limestone), small stone," borrowed from Greek khalix "small pebble," which many trace to a PIE root for "split, break up," but Beekes writes that "There is no convincing etymology."
Cognate words in most Germanic languages still have the "limestone" sense, but in English transferred chalk to the opaque, white, soft limestone found abundantly in the south of the island. The modern spelling is from early 14c. The Latin word for "chalk" was creta, which also is of unknown origin. With many figurative or extended senses due to the use of chalk marks to keep tracks of credit for drinks in taverns and taprooms, or to keep the score in games.
Also the word creta reminds me of concrete.

If I was in the mid west I would take some water from the many limestone caverns. I know there is a limestone quarry a few hours from me and I may grab some samples and find some water. I am sure there is some sort of cavern nearby.

That brought me to look at a bunch of emblems on Alchemy website

Alchemical and hermetic emblems 1-40

I noticed plenty of the pictures had a base of white stone or the two pillars, on which was placed the colorful imagery. I think the pillars could most likely be made of some calcium containing mineral. It blows my mind, since in my thought, it references the concept of Foundation. So the base of the idea. The starting point. Also there are images of fountains which I assume could be made of a calcium containing stone like marble. I overlooked the plain pedestals and favored the colorful depictions.

I read this one site that I can not find right now, I hope it comes around again, where the author stated that ancient roman architecture was actually wood carpentry that had been infused with lime, either through deliberately soaking of wood in a quarry pond for years, or after the great flood or deluge. A lot of what I believed about history has been pushed aside by stranger things. The Mesas of giant ancient trees. Food for thought.

I placed wood in a bucket of lime water for about six months and the wood became soaked with the lime, I think over time it would calcify and turn petrified. I needed the bucket so I threw the lime in the garden. I have the wood still, I think I will have to start that one again.

Also the Masonic ideal comes to mind, of the rough ashlar to the perfect ashlar, it could very well be referencing limestone.

I have no clear idea as of now but I am just throwing things out there to clarify and move forward.

When I write stories I have no idea where I am going. I just write and it works it self out with editing, clarifying, and expanding on a small sentence or phrase to large pages of writing. I get the feeling this work will unfold in a similar way.

In the past I have left salt in my basement for years without looking at it and after a while some of the salt took in moisture and became the consistency of gum or wax. I also remember that happening with Calcium desiccant and baking soda.

If I do collect dew, I plan on using Salt or a Calcium to draw in the dew because it can store a lot of water without having to fiddle with glass or bottles and collection containers. I think it will save me time and work well.

Also in reference to actual Urine and Feces I did some research on how the body uses Calcium. Some calcium is passed through the urine but more in feces. Not very much at all. A gram per day in feces. I guess mere speculation will step aside as I try and fail. Failure is a good thing, mistakes help clarify the process.

As for Urine, when a fetus is in gestation in the womb 98% of the amniotic fluid is water aka urine. So there is something perhaps to the urine path. Why I don’t really trust the BOA is because its gross, first of all, and second, the author states they never made the stone, that being said, it is a good compilation of quotes and he cites the work so it can be fun.

I have been researching Urine therapy or Orin therapy, (Never ending story anybody?) I watched great content by Cate Stillman on Youtube. Theres a good bit on The alchemy of urine therapy. Apparently she says that Urine contains a lot of stem cells. That is cool, because stem cell treatments cost mucho dinero, urine is free.

I also think a lot of the words in the alchemical texts, don’t mean now, what they originally meant then. Like a game of telephone. Over time definitions have changed or morphed to something else. For instance, Herbs have many names for the same plant or substance, and the actual specie of plant can be mistaken. There are many varieties of Boneset where I live in New England. It is a riddle for sure.

The riddle words for the Amanita fungus come to mind. In the Book by John Allegro, The Sacred Mushroom and The Cross, he compiles many different names for the same fungus. Using puns, and different languages that share similar phonetic pronunciations, the words were encoded. I can see how the process and the words for starting the alchemical work, were similarly encoded.

So this will be a thread I come back to and post in with my various experiments so as to not clutter the board.

To clarify my first steps, I am seeking the Moon (whatever you call it) spirit salt thing first. So using one of the mentioned substances in my list, I want draw the Moon spirit thing into it, acting as a magnet, then I can bring it together with the Sun (whatever you want to call it) spirit salt thing. I am going to have to keep going over this.

Here is my first lab equipment. Its antique pyrex and Kymex or Kimex glass. It was 200 for the set so saved me a lot of loot. Some of the pieces would be over 200 easy. It seemed to be providence. He threw in a nice distillation apparatus.

After picking up the lab set though, I have been reading ICH and I can see how the ancients would not have access to that kind of equipment. I am seeking something simpler, I may not use the lab but I have always wanted a lab. I started blowing glass with the intention to make lab equipment but I have found glass work is a great work in itself. I can make nice marbles though.

It seems I won’t have to use crazy fires to create the matter of the philosophers, but only for the step of the trial by fire. So that is a kind of relief.

Thanks to all of you who have written such great content. This forum is pure gold. It has been such a blessing, I can not imagine having only one text to refer to, like some people even 50 years ago. Now we have access to hundreds of interpretations. Truly a gift.

 

[Appleheads]

I have been really intrigued by the video posted by Christophorus in the Spiritus Mundi thread,

Alchimie - Voie du Spiritus Mundi par Nicolas Almand au colloque de Lyon du 14-15 Octobre 2023​

Translating it has been a challenge since I only know some latin, so certain words I can figure out, I have used the french to english closed caption which is tool I never knew existed until watching the video. Alchemy Forums for the win again! I learn so much from you all, even beyond alchemy.

When Nicolas starts to answer questions he mentions one could use any container even a soda bottle, so I was thinking of using a mason jar. I also was watching the video as he said while heating a container at a moderate heat he mentioned jam jar. The translation was choppy yet that made me think to definitely use a mason jar with a lid and band, as perhaps that is what he was referencing. I was going to put the jar in a water bath but since there was nothing inside it would float.

I put a jar and its lid into a cold oven, and heated the oven to 240 F, after it was nice and hot and the droplets of water from cleaning it were dry, I put the lid on. It sealed with a partial vacuum. I think I might try a higher heat next time.

I noticed some of the tap water left residue of salts and minerals in the glass, so next time I will make sure it has no water inside when I bake the jar.

I have been putting the jar on the window sill, and moving it to let it catch the sunlight all day, and same as night, to catch the moon, moving it to other windows.

He mentioned a practice, a yoga technique, called Phosphenism which he used to make his vacuum sealed flask sweat with the philosophic dew. Having no idea what Phosphenism is, I signed up on the phosphenism website and received newsletter emails and a pdf explaining the techniques. I watched videos on youtube as well.


Basically when you stare at a lightbulb for 20-30 seconds and close your eyes, you see an image of the lightbulb in your vision with your eyes closed. That image is called a phosphene. Using different head movements while staring at the phosphene, it supposedly gets you in touch with the inner light and higher faculties of thought. I practiced yesterday and today and will continue practicing as I am always adding practical techniques to my life. I had great dreams last night, so vivid and real. One can also use the sun as your source light instead of a light bulb. I have experience with sun gazing and have been doing that for the past few months. I was able to combine the techniques of head movements will doing 20 second bursts of sun gazing. It was very nice and pleasant. I had a lot of extra energy to run and work out. Granted I quit smoking cigarettes 6 months ago, it was the best run I have had in a decade. I am more inclined to think my endurance is coming from a mucusless plant based regimen than phosphene but I am open to the idea.

I guess I have to add concentrating my thought on one thing as I do the phosphene exercise. So I will concentrate on manifesting the sweating phenomenon in the sealed jar. I think it will take time to grasp the phosphene technique as most things take practice. So one of these days I am going to combine the phosphene exercises while staring at the jar and breathing the philosophical dew into it.

I also have a jar of urine, it has turned deep red orange and a small amount of white mineral has deposited on the bottom of the jar. No oils on top and I am not sure if I will continue with it. I just might leave it until I have more clarity. I am not sure where to go with a jar of urine.

As for the word Spiritus Mundi I wanted to see what the definitions of the words are. I bought a Cassell's latin dictionary recently and I looked up the word
Spiritus breathing, breath, exhalation, a sigh, the breathe of life, inspiration, spirit, disposition, a high spirit, pride.
I thought it only meant spirit.

Where it got weird for me was looking up the word Mundi. I laughed so hard because I was reading ICH, Cyliani, and looking at the cabala mineralis pictures.
In my dictionary it says

Mundus -a -um, clean, neat, elegant.

There is a second

Mundus -i toilet-things, adornment; the universe, the world, mankind.

Now I was laughing so hard I couldn’t sleep when I read toilet things. Hilarious. Granted it is the word Mundus rather than Mundi but still it is there. I googled it and it said toilet things like when you get ready in the morning. I think older books would give better insight into this word and its definition. This dictionary I bought was published in 1987 so the year I was born, but still I would like to see a latin dictionary from say 1850 or even earlier. The word mundane I think stems from this latin word and a few words back is the word
Mundanus.-i a citizen of the world.

It blows my mind. I could be reaching but I think as above so below, as below so above. It could all be a load of crap. The vilest of all substance.

Back in those times you threw it in the street or brought it to your fields. I am hesitant to crap in a jar, but I may get the gusto someday. The Creator hid the key within us so the old wise ones say. In the Cabala Mineralas it says something of a 10 to 1 ratio of urine to crap. I can’t understand it yet because it is flowery prose. Do they mean 10 crap to 1 urine or vice versa? I guess once you fill the jar with the proper ratio you just let it stay warm and do its thing.
I like poetry and I get a lot out of it, but sometimes it can be a bit confusing. It makes sense. Crap having the fire, the earth, the water and the air. Urine containing another piece. Two streams near the lovers fountains. And Paracelsus unveiling a jar full of shit. That is too funny. >_< Also in Thomas Vaughan’s Allegory of the Mountain, it alludes to perhaps the backside of man in the words

"There is a Mountain situated in the midst of the earth or center of the world, which is both small and great. It is soft, also above measure hard and stony. It is far off and near at hand, but by the providence of God invisible. In it are hidden the most ample treasures, which the world is not able to value. "

From what I have read in the Golden Chain of Homer the spiritus mundi is in everything every where, like the force in star wars. So there must be an infinite number of ways to arrive at a coagulation from infinite substances. Even without the Rams usb I am able to find many life times worth of study on the internet and it seems there are many ways.

I have noticed a bunch of strange synchronicities the last few months, and the last few weeks it has been quickening. I was reading about the pleiades, 7 sisters today on the forum and then I watched the Lady in the Water by M night Shamalyan and there it was mentioned again. Things like tools and certain titles of books, I have been looking for in the past few years, I have found in the past couple weeks.

It has been nice to spend this vacation from work to cultivate my practices of the physical and to devote the better part of my day studying and taking notes.

I have this book called The Elixer by William Scott Shelly, that is a study on ergot in alchemy and the bible. I like the connections it makes in that book, it is a very thick read so has taken years to grasp a little of the information. Also a book I am reading is Mushrooms in Religion and Alchemy by Clark Heinrich, he makes a case for Amanita. Some of the alchemical emblems allude to the mushroom by the shape of the outline of the pictures. The image of hermes from Symbola aurea Mensae, pointing to an image of the sun and moon in a fire makes me think of the amanita muscaria. An illustration accompanying Melchior’s Alchemical Mass, has an image of a mother and child surrounded by flame, the outline resembling a mushroom in the earlier phase of development.

Once the summer solstice comes I will be throwing those mushrooms in a flask and seeing what I can do. The Vedas speak of the milk of soma. Perhaps squeezing the juice into a flask.

Now I know personally the water from Amanita Muscaria is decent, but I know the honey dew from the developing ergot scelrotia is divine. The poisons of ergot alkaloids are not water soluble but the fun ones are. In the short paper Road to Eleusis by Wasson, Hoffman, and Ruck they make a connection that the ancients could very well have used the ergot alkaloids to make a powerful entheogen using ergot, ashes, and penny royal menthe pulegium. Perhaps they have identified the substance called Kykeon of the Eleusian mysteries?

Here is a link to the paper

The Road to Eleusis: Unveiling the Secret of the Mysteries : Albert Hoffman : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

The Road to Eleusis: Unveiling the Secret of the Mysteries

archive.org

The reason I am drawn to these fungi, is because they both have fire water earth and air qualities, all mimicking the hardness of stone when dried. It is just a hunch but I am drawn to it. I have personally witnessed an amanita mushroom growing just two hours after a thunderstorm where it was not before. Born of the thunder and lightning. I will have to make a dedicated post to each fungi, as I think some of the information is invaluable, at least to me. Humanity finds mushrooms and ergot vile as well.

I think I may seal some limestone dust in an oven baked mason jar to create a partial vacuum inside tomorrow morning. These are the general directions I am heading towards at this point.

 

[Pilgrim]

Re: Latin Mundi

There are numerous forms of the word aligning with the grammatical usage thus:

Singular Plural
nominative mundus mundi
genitive mundi mundorum
dative mundo mundis
accusative mundum mundos
ablative mundo mundis

Mundi literally means "of the world", hence Spiritus Mundi is "spirit of the world", Anima Mundi is "Life/Soul of the world"

Mundum means "the world" thus Contra Mundum means "Against the world"

I was reading about the pleiades, 7 sisters today on the forum and then I watched the Lady in the Water by M night Shamalyan and there it was mentioned again.

Did you clock this thread? If not you might find it very interesting:

The Pleiades Mystery

Introduction What is the “Pleiades Mystery” and why should it matter? Pleiades is a star cluster in our night sky, visible with the naked eye, you may know it as the “Seven Sisters”. Over the years during my research into many esoteric/ancient things I found out that this particular star...

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I have been putting the jar on the window sill, and moving it to let it catch the sunlight all day, and same as night, to catch the moon, moving it to other windows.

It's not clear what are you trying to achieve with this particular practice. Various texts are fairly insistent that when you look to capture the influence of the moon (which may or may not involve ozonation as per Nav's Thread) then you have to cease that collection before sunrise because the sun destroys what the moon gave you. You have to keep the matter out of the sunlight. Much of this I believe concerns collection of dew from the ground or close to the ground.

Overall you seem to be exploring a great many things which is probably a good thing but I can't help but feel it might be useful to concentrate on one process, one path, understand the processes of that path, understand why those processes are needed and what they contribute to the overall work and put your efforts into that. At the moment you seem to be considering urine, faeces, mushrooms, sun-gazing, yogic practices,

From what I have read in the Golden Chain of Homer the spiritus mundi is in everything every where, like the force in star wars. So there must be an infinite number of ways to arrive at a coagulation from infinite substances.

Yes, Cyliani puts it thus:

"My power is such that I animate everything: I am the astral spirit, I give life to everything that breathes and vegetates, I know everything"

As I understand things currently, it is necessary to find a starting substance that is richly concentrated with SM. Such substances are those where nature has, for many years, been cycling through the process of SM falling from above and rising from the earth and falling back again. The texts tell us that the SM is in the earth, which makes sense because that's what receives the rain and dew and is where the vapours subsequently rise up from, but it's in many other things, just in lesser concentration.

Hence many believe a good starting substance is clay. Past alchemists like Fulcanelli I believe used Antimony from mines.

The amount of SM in your substance will likely affect how long it takes to achieve the work and indeed whether you succeed or fail.

Here's an extract pertaining to this:

"Be aware, however, that the astral spirit being the foster father of the stone, it is necessary to
collect a large quantity of it. This harvest cannot be done all at once, which is why we will employ
all the time that the work lasts, which is at least three years; for we must not confine ourselves
to what the authors say about the times, their speeches being only fabrics of enigmas or allegories"

The Spiritus Mundi A few glimpses by Anonymous

THE SPIRITUS MUNDI A few glimpses... The Spiritus Mundi, or Spirit of the World, this "universal fluid" associated with the color green, celestial dew…

www.alchemy-texts.com

I recommend you also read through Ghetto Alchemist's threads

HIM

A member of the forum who I deeply respect recently asked me: Can you share more about the sweet good stuff? What do you think it is? Where to find it? I'd already mostly written an answer for the first one, but was never happy enough with it to publish. It turns out that a gentle prod from...

alchemyforums.com

HIM Water

Anyone who's been reading my posts over last couple of years will have probably noticed by now that I spend a lot of time talking about the importance of HIM water in alchemy. I figured recently that even for those of you who believe me, it's not going to do you much good if you don't have any...

alchemyforums.com

Good luck with your endeavours

 

[Appleheads]

Re: Latin Mundi

There are numerous forms of the word aligning with the grammatical usage thus:

Singular Plural
nominative mundus mundi
genitive mundi mundorum
dative mundo mundis
accusative mundum mundos
ablative mundo mundis

Mundi literally means "of the world", hence Spiritus Mundi is "spirit of the world", Anima Mundi is "Life/Soul of the world"

Mundum means "the world" thus Contra Mundum means "Against the world"




Did you clock this thread? If not you might find it very interesting:

The Pleiades Mystery

Introduction What is the “Pleiades Mystery” and why should it matter? Pleiades is a star cluster in our night sky, visible with the naked eye, you may know it as the “Seven Sisters”. Over the years during my research into many esoteric/ancient things I found out that this particular star...

alchemyforums.com

It's not clear what are you trying to achieve with this particular practice. Various texts are fairly insistent that when you look to capture the influence of the moon (which may or may not involve ozonation as per Nav's Thread) then you have to cease that collection before sunrise because the sun destroys what the moon gave you. You have to keep the matter out of the sunlight. Much of this I believe concerns collection of dew from the ground or close to the ground.

Overall you seem to be exploring a great many things which is probably a good thing but I can't help but feel it might be useful to concentrate on one process, one path, understand the processes of that path, understand why those processes are needed and what they contribute to the overall work and put your efforts into that. At the moment you seem to be considering urine, faeces, mushrooms, sun-gazing, yogic practices,



Yes, Cyliani puts it thus:

"My power is such that I animate everything: I am the astral spirit, I give life to everything that breathes and vegetates, I know everything"

As I understand things currently, it is necessary to find a starting substance that is richly concentrated with SM. Such substances are those where nature has, for many years, been cycling through the process of SM falling from above and rising from the earth and falling back again. The texts tell us that the SM is in the earth, which makes sense because that's what receives the rain and dew and is where the vapours subsequently rise up from, but it's in many other things, just in lesser concentration.

Hence many believe a good starting substance is clay. Past alchemists like Fulcanelli I believe used Antimony from mines.

The amount of SM in your substance will likely affect how long it takes to achieve the work and indeed whether you succeed or fail.

Here's an extract pertaining to this:

"Be aware, however, that the astral spirit being the foster father of the stone, it is necessary to
collect a large quantity of it. This harvest cannot be done all at once, which is why we will employ
all the time that the work lasts, which is at least three years; for we must not confine ourselves
to what the authors say about the times, their speeches being only fabrics of enigmas or allegories"

The Spiritus Mundi A few glimpses by Anonymous

THE SPIRITUS MUNDI A few glimpses... The Spiritus Mundi, or Spirit of the World, this "universal fluid" associated with the color green, celestial dew…

www.alchemy-texts.com

I recommend you also read through Ghetto Alchemist's threads

HIM

A member of the forum who I deeply respect recently asked me: Can you share more about the sweet good stuff? What do you think it is? Where to find it? I'd already mostly written an answer for the first one, but was never happy enough with it to publish. It turns out that a gentle prod from...

alchemyforums.com

HIM Water

Anyone who's been reading my posts over last couple of years will have probably noticed by now that I spend a lot of time talking about the importance of HIM water in alchemy. I figured recently that even for those of you who believe me, it's not going to do you much good if you don't have any...

alchemyforums.com

Good luck with your endeavours

Hi Pilgrim thanks,

Yes I did clock the Pleiades thread, it is very informative. I would split the quotes up but I do not know how.

I will try to bring clarity to the empty jar method I am using. I am using a sealed jar because I watched the video posted by Christophorus in the Spiritus Mundi thread. The person in the video, Nicolas Almand, relates he used a vacuum sealed flask and let it sit on his deck for a few months, or a summer, not sure the length of time.

He also goes into his practice of phosphenism, which is staring at a lightbulb for 20 seconds then going into the dark or covering the eyes so its dark, and observing the image left in your vision, the colors that slowly dissipate, aka the phosphene. I have just started this phosphene practice so I am not sure about it. I do practice sungazing and like the benefits it gives me. I guess it is similar.

I joined the phosphenism website newsletter and am struggling to achieve the results, apparently it helps with the development of psychic phenomenon.

In the video, he shows footage of making an empty vacuum sealed flask, sweat a liquid, which he says is the Spiritus Mundi, he then goes through the process which was just a gentle fire and waiting. The substance went through the different stages of the work so to speak.

I found the video interesting so I sealed a jelly jar, which he also says in the questions part of the video, and thought to mimic his procedure. I used the translator on YouTube and it was not very accurate so I could be missing some key points.

Though apparently Alexander Graham Bell thought he read that the Germans had successfully transmitted sound through a wire, he actually had mistranslated the work he was reading, and went into his invention with the assumption that it had already been accomplished.

I do not know if I will be able to recreate Nicolas Almands work as I don’t have a clear understanding, it has been fun experimenting and trying new things. He says it is not "THE” way but his way, and I always appreciate that sentiment. Hell he could be faking it for all I know, but it is quite an interesting video to watch and read the translation.

So far I have no sweat forming in my jar.

I have never been one to focus on one thing at a time. Though I am methodical in my practices, I do many different directions at once, I guess being a cook helped develop that capacity in me. I appreciate your reply, but I will always be a bit eccentric in my doings.

As for keeping the matter in the moon and out of the sunlight I think it is allegorical so not to be taken literally.
Thats just my opinion.

Thanks about the Clay, I wasn’t aware that many people believed it to be a good starting substance. I just gave away all my potters clay. I will dig some up when the ground is no longer frozen. It is everywhere.

I have been rereading the Cyliani thread and enjoy it very much. So I finally took the plunge.
I did the deed and how do I say, extracted the clay of the wise from the hollow oak, and am watering it with its counterpart, the spring of the water of life.

I have one Jar that I am using fresh clay of the wise and adding just a bit of yellowed spring of water of life. Sealed with a mason Jar lid and a membrane of thick plastic bag to give it an extra seal and prevent lid from rusting. Within minutes of adding this water the lump dissolved into a puddle and over the past few days it has consumed this water. I will now wait for it to dry out. It has many bubbles.

Another Jar sealed in the same manner, I have the clay and just letting it dry out, I am watching what happens. I plan on using clear water from the spring of the water of life when it eventually dries out??? This Jar contains many bubbles. There is even an apple seed, I wonder if it will grow?

I have noticed in one of the texts to not let the fire heat above 64 F 18 C and it makes me realize that indeed it is all allegorical writing about a fire. Perhaps the urine contains a fire as well as the feces.

Feces contains the fire, the air, the water, the earth,
Urine contains fire and water, sun and moon,

The constant changing of terms though sends my head into a loop. Even within one author. I guess I should recreate and vegetate with some mindless TV and videos games. Studying is hard work.

I have been studying APHORISMI URBIGERANI
and Circulatum minus Urbigeranum.

I also have been reading Hermetic Recreations and trying to find an english translation of Thesaurus Thesaurorum.

In Circulatum minus Urbigeranum
XXIX stuck out to me. It is an aphorism so it, as well, can not be taken literally but must be thought about.


XXIX. Some are of Opinion, that both the Elixirs may be produced out of several determined things, as Human Excrements, May-dew, (which they call also their Menstruum from above, or Water from the Clouds) &c. as also that the Grand Elixir may be prepared out of this, or any other Vegetable regenerated Menstruum; but since we know, that such Menstruums, which they call their Philosophical Mercury, although they may dissolve and volatilize Metals, yet cannot meliorate any of them, this Dissolution and Volatilization being neither natural nor Philosophical, we therefore with good Reason judge all those Opinions to be only false Suppositions and ill-grounded and imaginary Notions.

It is interesting how it is worded. It could mean that the Grand Elixir is produced from Human Excrements, depending on how it is read.

I guess it could be blood as the starting magnet but if that is the case I probably will not go down that path.

I would post pictures but honestly its gross and embarrassing and I can’t believe I put it in a jar.

I will get to the mushrooms at the summer solstice, that’s when the amanita and ergot blossom so to speak.

I may also add that the urine of someone who consumes the amanita muscaria contains the active alkaloids, I may perhaps use the urine after I consume it.

There was a website now defunct, called Theambrosiasociety . com or org I don’t remember. The youtube channel is still up. I was able to recreate the wine and grail, but the bread I had trouble with bacterial bloom when I used barley.

this wine I have personally made and tasted and it is definitely a divine substance. The Greeks and ancients always added water to their wine. Why is that? Perhaps they were not actually consuming alcohol at all.

Thats where I am at. Thanks for reading.

 

[Lakshmana]

This Muscimol extraction is very nice!

This would probably yield a better less confusing experience.
Maybe Santas elves knew how to make the good juice too

I may also add that the urine of someone who consumes the amanita muscaria contains the active alkaloids, I may perhaps use the urine after I consume it.

The Saami shamans of Finland fed the Amanita to their reindeer and drank their urine to converse with the spirit world.

I would prefer a good long toke of homemade DMT nevertheless this Muscimol technique is very unique and full of mystique.

Thanks for sharing.

 

[Jimmy Rig]

I have been reading some great threads, and have been deciding on which way to go, so some of the things I am thinking to start with are

Dew water
Snow
Rain
Amanita and its grail fleece, wine, and bread
Acacia
Ergot
Urine
Feces
Pyrite or Marcasite
Milk
Salt
Calcium Chlorite
Limestone or some calcium containing minerals like gypsum or calcium chloride/chlorate
Asphalt
Crude oil or other hydrocarbons
Dirt

Hey Appleheads,

What is your goal here from working with any of these materials?
If it is to make a medicine to support a living being, some of these might have beneficial results on vegetable life forms as they can uptake from the mineral realm directly. Do you think your list of materials can be be useful to the human constitution?
Some more than others I'd reckon.

Or are you trying to transmute metals, or learn how things change under varying conditions applied by the operator?
Looks like you will be busy for a while! Keep us updated
Looks like you have a good kit of equipment to get rolling, i am sure you will learn lots!

 

[Christophorus]

the philosophers said not to confuse the philosophical materials with the common.

In my opinion, this is very true. The philosophical materials are hidden and need to be revealed to become attractive. "The magnet that attracts our steel". These magnets are not directly available in nature, so they need to be prepared.

Andro said it many times and he is correct: Those principles are hidden inside everything because their cause is the same.
The choice of a base matter to start working depends on our affinity with it. Then we will consider how much of it we need to start the work. It can be lime water, for sure! It can be seawater! It can be salt! Or urine! Or whatever, because the support is just used as the magnet of our prima materia. The affinity with it will give each one the proper motivation for the work. Look at the good examples we have here at the forum with the waterworks or the milk/calcium works of Kibric.

If one feels an affinity with water, it does not matter if one needs 2000lt of it. He will find a way of doing it! Same with other matters. What we know and learn from the ancients, is that apart from this personal connexion, some matters already are more prone to our works. That's where the usual suspects come in because, supposedly, it's easier to put them in an inclinable state. That's preparing the soil or the conditions for nature to do its work. We cannot do it! We don't change anything. Nature does. We just prepare the right conditions.

All my best;
C.

 

[Pilgrim]

The choice of a base matter to start working depends on our affinity with it. Then we will consider how much of it we need to start the work. It can be lime water, for sure! It can be seawater! It can be salt! Or urine! Or whatever, because the support is just used as the magnet of our prima materia.

Whilst this might be technically true, isn't it also true that some starting materials would mean the Work takes an inordinately long time to complete? If that's the case then can't we just be open about it and state the top 3 materials that are absolutely the best for the Work?

We cannot do it! We don't change anything. Nature does. We just prepare the right conditions.

100% correct imho. This has always been my alchemic philosophy. Just like making a child. The man and woman prepare the environment but they are totally clueless as to how the child and its life are created.

 

[Christophorus]

Whilst this might be technically true, isn't it also true that some starting materials would mean the Work takes an inordinately long time to complete? If that's the case then can't we just be open about it and state the top 3 materials that are absolutely the best for the Work?



100% correct imho. This has always been my alchemic philosophy. Just like making a child. The man and woman prepare the environment but they are totally clueless as to how the child and its life are created.

I believe that would be good for someone with theoretical knowledge about the philosophical work. Without it, the phases, changes, and states of matter will not be seen/understood and the work will not be possible.
Understanding something is not the same as knowing it. It takes time for all of this to ferment inside us and the sense of protection given to the starting materials relates to this, I believe.

I wouldn't mind sharing materias remotas, protocols etc in a protected place with lab working people. Plain talk. I believe that would be the way to go: To work step by step with a common matter at the time until the Stone was made. Then, it would be easy to understand how the same principles can apply to everything.

The problem with that is TRUST. What we see all around is that if a person knows a little bit about anything they will try to sell it or make themselves a kind of gurus. Were the old masters doing this? Why were they so discrete? Why the vows of secrecy were put in place from master to disciple? It's all about TRUST. If you don't trust, you don't share and all would go back to the starting point.
To work in common requires some kind of order, of principles. Andro said (quoting by heart) that after knowing someone in person would feel more at ease to share. I tend to agree with that. Even with that, the trust relationship, without interests or expectations of any kind, will take a long time to build.

All the best;
C.

 

[Pilgrim]

The problem with that is TRUST. What we see all around is that if a person knows a little bit about anything they will try to sell it or make themselves a kind of gurus.

For me this is the telling sign to stay very much away. If someone is peddling information or advice regarding alchemy, I walk away for no-one who has true knowledge of it and who has it, needs financial assistance from such sales. This is what put me off joining AMORC. The old texts I previously read made it clear that Rosicrucians gave their knowledge openly and freely with others if they sought it. The AMORC website was full of opportunity selling. Joining fees, course fees etc etc. So I stayed clear. It seems there are Rosicrucians and there are Rosicrucians. Finding the true real long standing collective is not easy.

Were the old masters doing this? Why were they so discrete? Why the vows of secrecy were put in place from master to disciple?

Because back then the establishments of the time were deeming alchemy to be heretical. Going back to circa 2000 BCE there was an explosion of seemingly unrestrained enlightenment. You had (after the demise of Atlantis) the Egyptians, then Eleusinian mysteries, Zarathushtra setting up Zoroastrianism, the Pythagorean School, then later came Taoism, The Essenes, Mithraic mysteries and so on right through to Jesus and Christianity and beyond. At some point ruling kings start banning the practice of alchemy. People get burnt at the stake. In 1317 Pope John XXII issues his "Spondet quas non exhibent," a papal decree forbidding the practice of alchemy.
In 1323 French Dominicans start burning alchemy texts and prohibit the teaching of alchemy at the University of Paris.

And so on and so forth. We see a war essentially established for control of the so-called "truth" between factions who want power and control over the dumb populations. Religion and politics featuring heavily in that struggle. One can see why the old masters and adepts had to stay secret.

But today we are living in the age of information. Where dissemination of information can not be stopped. Put something up on the internet and it goes viral very quickly and can then never ever disappear. Never before has mankind had such an opportunity to reach millions of people with the truth and yet everyone still acts as if we were living in 1300. Still talking in stupid childish riddles, still exercising power over each other by concealing truths and dealing out misdirections.

The truth is, those with the knowledge and power are possessed by it and don't want everyone else to share it. They enjoy being the hero figure, secretly administering medical aid from the shadows. It's ridiculous. People are dying in their millions and many suffering horribly, but these people don't care. I'm alright jack. These people could free the world. They could force alchemy into the mainstream in a way that it could never be suppressed again. They could force the medical industry to acknowledge the reality of alchemy and its products. They could literally change everything. But they don't.

We will in no time at all, rush headlong into social collapse and see the current technological age vanish (again?). Then everything again becomes immensely difficult. No easy way to cascade information far and wide. What the hell are we waiting for?

It's all about TRUST. If you don't trust, you don't share and all would go back to the starting point.

The trust issue is simply a factor of the same "stay in power" keep it secret mentality. What you want is to find someone you trust not to tell anyone else the secrets. Perpetuation of the status quo.

If you had a cure for cancer, which you created from the simple processing of say a few herbs and plants, would you need to trust anyone in order to tell them what you've found? Why on earth would you even consider forming say a secret society with initiations and heinous oaths and only cascade this life saving information to those in the club? It's absurd and very wicked. It's the perpetuation of power-mongering. The dark side of the life-force.

 

[Christophorus]

Pilgrim, I love your passion.

AMORC is the basic school of esoterics. Rosicrucian and Rose-Croix are very different things.

The trust issue is simply a factor of the same "stay in power" keep it secret mentality. What you want is to find someone you trust not to tell anyone else the secrets. Perpetuation of the status quo.

I'm not talking about that! That is just... mundane trust. I'm talking about another kind of trust, the kind of trust that I and my wife keep between us because that's where it belongs. This kind of trust it's an intimate trust established and maintained sacred between the parts.

If you had a cure for cancer, which you created from the simple processing of say a few herbs and plants, would you need to trust anyone in order to tell them what you've found? Why on earth would you even consider forming say a secret society with initiations and heinous oaths and only cascade this life saving information to those in the club? It's absurd and very wicked. It's the perpetuation of power-mongering. The dark side of the life-force.

I agree. No need at all. I had my share of different secret societies, the purpose of 90% it's basically to maintain themselves, or worse. Secret Societies are not the same things to me as Orders, though. Example: In the first ones, I would place things like Freemasons (AMORC is a spinout invention of it by Spencer Lewis, there are several cases like it); in the seconds I would put some Martinist and RC+ Orders (mostly groups not open or visible to the world). I believe the kind of trust I talked about above can find expression in such places.
In those places, brothers would work, for the benefit of mankind. What should be protected are not the medicines, but the groups that make it happen, do you understand? It's the antipodes of pharmaceuticals. That is why the best works are signed by "anonymous" people. Everyone can't work together, but small groups can make a difference.

But today we are living in the age of information. Where dissemination of information can not be stopped. Put something up on the internet and it goes viral very quickly and can then never ever disappear. Never before has mankind had such an opportunity to reach millions of people with the truth and yet everyone still acts as if we were living in 1300.

Exactly. And that's why it's good for some things but not for others.

 

[Pilgrim]

What should be protected are not the medicines, but the groups that make it happen, do you understand?

Right, but there can't be any "groups that make it happen" without first those people having knowledge of how to make the medicines.
We need to get real here imho. We're all pussy footing around the core issue which is that there remain groups of people, secret societies, orders, collectives, sects and individuals who despite all the fluff and bluster, actually DO want to keep hold of the extraordinary power they have instead of giving the gift to all mankind. Small groups will always be vulnerable if the secret resides with them as others who rightly want those secrets will seek to take it by force. Once you disseminate the secret to all, then everything changes. No-one becomes vulnerable or needs protecting because everyone else knows the truth. There's just no excuse for the current situation.

 

[Christophorus]

Right, but there can't be any "groups that make it happen" without first those people having knowledge of how to make the medicines.

That is just the view of the ones who don't belong to those groups. It has nothing to do with their existence. It's a "let's suppose" thing.

We need to get real here imho. We're all pussy footing around the core issue which is that there remain groups of people, secret societies, orders, collectives, sects and individuals who despite all the fluff and bluster, actually DO want to keep hold of the extraordinary power they have instead of giving the gift to all mankind.

A group working together to the most noble ends would also fit there, then. It's just perspective from "good" to "bad". It's an illusion.

Small groups will always be vulnerable if the secret resides with them

I don't agree. Look at the alchemical history and lineages and if you look carefully it will show you why.
Bring it to the world and look at guerillas, terrorist cells, or whatever. The smaller groups are always the stronger. You have a G7, not a G200. Take it below and look at atoms.

Once you disseminate the secret to all, then everything changes. No-one becomes vulnerable or needs protecting because everyone else knows the truth. There's just no excuse for the current situation.

That is just nonsense. You cannot give it to everyone. "Let's give everyone a tank and see what will happen"... You cannot give unlimited power to people not prepared to take it. That would result in mass extermination. Oppenheimer teaches. It's like giving money to all. If you take the effort, general collapse will follow.

 

[Pilgrim]

That is just nonsense. You cannot give it to everyone.

Yes you can. Only avarice prevents it.

"Let's give everyone a tank and see what will happen"... You cannot give unlimited power to people not prepared to take it. That would result in mass extermination.

We've given everyone a lethal supply of electricity. Occasionally a small handful of idiots or unfortunates tinker with it and get killed. 99.99999% of the rest of us benefit massively from having that electricity.

We've given everyone supplies of petrol and diesel, highly flammable A substance that would see them blow up their cars should they not be responsible around those fuels. Occasionally a small number of idiots mess with fuels and kill themselves. 99.99999% of the rest of us benefit massively from having fuel.

Most Americans have one or more firearms. Lethal killing devices. Occasionally a small handful of idiots or mentally disturbed people kill themselves or others with those weapons. The 99.99999% of the rest manage perfectly well with these weapons.

The excuses run deep but in the end it's all just fear. Search your heart. The Stone would free mankind in a way that has never been seen. It would change everything. A few idiots would kill themselves or others but the other 99.99999% would live in perfect health (excepting certain conditions) and live long long lifespans. The people that have the Stone simply want that power. It sets them apart from their fellow human beings. It corrupts them, like the One Ring in Tolkein's Middle Earth. Their hearts are not true.

In the time it took for me to write this response, likely 10,000 people or more died across the world who could otherwise have lived.
How many such deaths is enough? The excuse of "people will blow themselves up" or equivalent really becomes farcical when you realise how many are dying each second.

 

[Christophorus]

We've given everyone a lethal supply of electricity. Occasionally a small handful of idiots or unfortunates tinker with it and get killed. 99.99999% of the rest of us benefit massively from having that electricity.

Yes, but not raw electricity. If you give it raw 99.999999% would die. It took a lot of time, from individuals and small groups to modulate that power for everyone to be able to use it safely.

The excuses run deep but in the end it's all just fear. Search your heart. The Stone would free mankind in a way that has never been seen. It would change everything. A few idiots would kill themselves or others but the other 99.99999% would live in perfect health (excepting certain conditions) and live long long lifespans. The people that have the Stone simply want that power. It sets them apart from their fellow human beings. It corrupts them, like the One Ring in Tolkein's Middle Earth. Their hearts are not true.

It is not fear. Humanity in a wide number is just not mature enough to use it properly. I believe a huge percentage of people don't use guns because they know they will get caught. Put them in a non-control scenario and they will lose morals, ethics, etc in a snapshot. Look what is going on with Israel, Ukraine, gangs in Haiti, Honduras, Brasil... Its just utopic to believe all are ready to receive the most sacred gift.



This is not the kind of Temple prepared to receive the stone
It can be... but first, it needs to go through, and conquer, the Labours of Hercules.

Kaliyuga it's a Solve... Afterwards, we will have the coagula.

 

[Kibric]

Christophorus is a thief. He steals other peoples work and practises, methods and subject matters, shares them without permission and takes credit for discoveries from a path he stole from someone else. [Real name removed by mod] is not to be trusted, any moralilty coming from his mouth is a lie.

 

[Lakshmana]

Christophorus is a thief. He steals other peoples work and practises, methods and subject matters, shares them without permission and takes credit for discoveries from a path he stole from someone else. [Real name removed by mod] is not to be trusted, any morality coming from his mouth is a lie.

Kibric you do not own any of the methods, you said the same to me when I openly shared my own stuff... Doxxing is not ok

 

[Pilgrim]

It is not fear. Humanity in a wide number is just not mature enough to use it properly.

And who gets to decide who is mature enough? Who is worthy enough? Who can be "trusted"?

The circle completes and just goes round and round. The truth is that the groups that have the Stone are just participating in the same sham. Wanting to set themselves apart from everyone else, being one up on everyone else, shouldering some sick and twisted notion that they are in some way better than everyone else, more mature, more worthy, more deserving.

We are all the same. We are all human. All hopelessly flawed. Forcing people to believe a particular set of dogma, a particular religion or belief system as a prerequisite to being deemed mature or worthy enough is just the age old form of power, control and ruling obsession and ultimately just evil.

Keeping medicine for yourself and the tiny number of people you choose to administer it to is simply wicked beyond belief whilst millions perish around you for lack of such medicine.

 

[Lakshmana]

You can keep waiting for someone to present the stone on a silver platter with a simple step-by-step guide on how it was made. It's not gonna happen, not because people are not sharing openly, but because you yourself are unable to realize that you are the one who has to study what is already available and perform the internal and external trials. Then, more doors will open... it could be considered a test.

It is similar to going to a monk angry and screaming; why do you keep states of Samadhi or reunion with true self to yourself, there are millions who are suffering you need to teach them... you can probably imagine his smile and answer.

 

[Christophorus]

Christophorus is a thief. He steals other peoples work and practises, methods and subject matters, shares them without permission and takes credit for discoveries from a path he stole from someone else. [Real name removed by mod] is not to be trusted, any moralilty coming from his mouth is a lie.

Kibric, anything freely given cannot be stolen. Even so, I already told you I never did that. But, enough is enough.
Your attitude, toward sharing personal info given to you in bona fide, is not admissible.
I understand your situation, but by any means, I'm responsible for the choices you made throughout life. The ones that brought you to the point you are. Learn from it or don't. Honestly, I hope you do.
This is the last message I will address you. Our paths diverge from this point forward.
Good luck and Godspeed.

 

[Christophorus]

And who gets to decide who is mature enough? Who is worthy enough? Who can be "trusted"?

As always... who has the authority to do it. Its not about 'Potestas' it is about 'auctoritas'.

The circle completes and just goes round and round. The truth is that the groups that have the Stone are just participating in the same sham. Wanting to set themselves apart from everyone else, being one up on everyone else, shouldering some sick and twisted notion that they are in some way better than everyone else, more mature, more worthy, more deserving.

We are all the same. We are all human. All hopelessly flawed. Forcing people to believe a particular set of dogma, a particular religion or belief system as a prerequisite to being deemed mature or worthy enough is just the age old form of power, control and ruling obsession and ultimately just evil.

We are all humans, but in any way, we are the same or equal. That is the biggest lie one can believe. If you doubt it, look yourself in the mirror and perspective that with someone else. A Lion is not the same as a Gnu. They are in different stages of evolution. It's nature in action.

Keeping medicine for yourself and the tiny number of people you choose to administer it to is simply wicked beyond belief whilst millions perish around you for lack of such medicine.

Catholics say the same thing about Muslims.
Is it not fare? Is that the thing? Do you believe initiation is about fairness? It is not. It's about conquer! You can complain, you can reject it, you can do whatever. The universe has a lot of time... We do!

 

[Appleheads]

Appleheads practice

Hey thanks for the replies.

Lakshmana, thanks for the Mckenna video, it's been too long since I heard his exacting use of vocabulary. Such a treat.

Jimmy Rig, thanks, my goal is more on the side of the elixir medicine than the transmutation.

I think it would be cool to loose my teeth and grow new ones. Fill in bald spots. Feel younger.



I’m thinking the method closest to the human constitution would be something from man, because of its closeness to my living being, and probably would be best for a tincture. I am very hesitant to work with metals or minerals as that seems to be dangerous, but some people swear by it.

I am going to try all the methods on my list.

I like my glass set up but I am not actually going to use it. Maybe when I have my own apartment, I am renting a room now, and its a decent situation. I don’t want prying eyes into my elaborate experiments. I do have a tendency to become quite mad.


From a book The Great Tao by Stephen Chang pg 15

Once a request was put to the Taoist master Chuan Tse by his disciples.
“All-knowing master, please show us God,” said they.
Chuan Tse replied, “God is omnipresent. He is in the table, in you, in me,…He is even in excrement.”
“Oh master! How could God be there?!”
Chuan Tse replied, “ If God were not in our bowel movement we would all be in big trouble!”

Also I am paraphrasing a story I was told once.

Once the gods got together and were debating on where to hide the key of life from man, who having taking the fire, would eventually try to take the key from them, they were concerned.

One god said "we should put the key on a mountain high in the heavens”
“No,” another god replied, Man is strong in will and will eventually ascend to the top of the mountain and take it.

“We could hide it at the bottom of the ocean!” another god replied.
“No surely Man is industrious and will eventually find a way to the bottom of the ocean and take the key.”

A wise god replied, “No we will hide the key within himself. He will never look there.” And thats where they put it.



I like the idea set in the ICH text and also Cyliani, thats kind of where I am headed in the moment. Reading Recreations was very helpful. One vessel. I like mason jars because they are easy to seal and clean as well as I can fit my hand into it.

This may get a bit graphic for the squeamish so you are warned.

'lasciate ogni speranza, voi che intrate'

I have been thinking how many authors mention Urine and the ICH lineage mentions a clay from the mine of man. So I am leaning in that direction right now, as I feel it is in line with the emerald tablet. above below below above wind in the belly sort of thing. Two matter, but one, but three from the same root.

How it is prepared seems to be the key.

I had a jar of Urine I collected mid December after heavy drinking wine and brandy. I decided to chuck it. After I poured it on my garden, I noticed the scent was not the smell I was expecting. It smelled like vinegar. Not the rancid thick deep smell sort of like gas or farts that I remember and I was expecting. It was sharp and distinctly vinegar like. So weird because vinegar is usually aerobic and not anaerobic. I had this jar sealed. I should have kept it, smelled it first before pouring. I may have to try again, but I think I will forgo drinking. It really does damage to my body, mind, and spirit. But hey if I have to, Nestrovia!

Some say collect it in spring or second in autumn and it makes me think of rather the spring inside me and autumn adum the fall of caca. Rather than a season, an allusion.


I read the thread a case for urine on this forum, and it made me think. Ghislane shares that the ph of urine changes from acid and base throughout each day. That is very interesting. I always noticed in the morning the urine is darker with a heavier “body” stronger scent, and more acrid taste.

As the day progresses the urine changes to a lighter “body" and will become clear if I hydrate enough or upcycle urine.

Also on the thread A case for urine, in the royal society publishing link, it mentions the clear fluid lymph. It makes me think of my Mucus free life mentors how they said you have to get the lymph flowing and the kidneys filtering again to process out all the accumulated waste. It is folly to think a long fast and a radical fruit diet will heal. I am beginning to see what they mean.



I started Urine therapy about two months ago and it has been very revealing. I notice when I feel bad it has something to do with what I ate. Too much salt, too much processed garbage etc, it comes through in the taste. The sodium benzoate’s are especially harsh, through the olives which I adore.

I did urine therapy about 10 years ago for about 2 years and I received many benefits, clearer soft skin and my internal organs thanked me. I started drinking alcohol heavy and fell off the wagon of raw vegan food. The urine was so bad I stopped practicing. Blubbery and full of shit.

I have been trying to find books and information on urine therapy. Theres a good youtube channel but most results say you should never drink urine. What a load of crap. Yes it is gross at first but it has stem cells in it. Which cost a fortune. The amniotic fluid is 98% urine when a fetus is gestating in the womb. Also some yoga practice mentions it. In survival situations it could save my life.

What got me into urine therapy originally was reading the book the never ending story, I was obsessed with the movies as a kid and still enjoy them. When I read the book it was a better adventure than the movies. I did some digging and found that the Orin was a word, german I think, for Urine. I always found the symbol fascinating. I think maybe it's time to reread.

About two weeks ago I had a healing crisis, lost my appetite and just kept up cycling the urine. I did it for three days and broke the fast with salad and fruit. It was helpful in revealing I have a lot of work to do internally. On the third day I was so sick with all the poisons in circulation.

I have a lot of crap to process in my body because I abused drugs and alcohol for so long, ate the worst foods, pharma’s, and occupational exposures to poisons. I drank lead water for a while, on the farm there are still lead pipes. My parents don’t believe me, but the old man before he passed, told me to tell them that we need to change the water cistern. I have always been active but it was beginning to take a heavy toll.

So I have thinking how urine has the properties of sun, or gold, when it is yellow; and silver or moon when it is clear. A fire yet water. The fire I am to use is to be a gentle fire and I think this fits that.
Also the feces have its own humidity. I have noticed in the morning the top of the jars have dew sprinkled around.

I made a chart of different iterations I can go, old feces, fresh feces, old clear urine, fresh yellow urine, etc. I feel drawn to the clear form of urine for some reason. I have a total of 8 ways to try so far, there could be more added.
Oh I just thought of more. Adding the yellow at one time and the clear at another etc.

I think of the labors of heracles/hercules. Defeating the hydra comes to mind. It has multiple heads but every time you cut its head off another couple grow back. Drinking urine has been a labor for sure. Why hydra? Close in phonetics to Hydro and water. Also a lot of the labors allude to the alchemical process. The first being defeating an invincible lion.

A little poem I picked up and I can’t find it anywhere but it goes like this from memory

I am the water of life
Out of myself I flow
The more you drink of me
The more I go

The human bladder has a resemblance to a certain form of alembic I have seen.

It is as if there is more water or liquid coming out of me than I put in. I used to drink a gallon to 2 a day. and urinate regularly. Not anymore. I have maybe a quart in the morning and a few sips throughout the day. I am rarely thirsty like I was, almost unnaturally thirsty, never able to satisfy. Now I eat high water content foods mostly and have had to urinate more. I expel gallons a day. Its weird and makes me think of the hydra. As I cut off the head so to speak, take a leak, and then consume it, another head appears and I have to do it again. It is interesting.

Cyliani mentions only filling your jar a quarter of the way. I should have listened because I checked my jars and found the matter has risen in both jar 1 which has fresh yellow urine added to it and Jar 2 which has no urine added. They are both at the 16 oz mark. Whoops. It seems like I have a problem. Feed me seymor! The blob, it’s alive.
So I should have only collect 8 ounces or less, rather than 12 oz. More like 200 ml 6-7 oz.


There are many bubbles and it seems to be growing. I hope they don’t burst, or leak out. I also can’t seem to keep it from expelling a horrible smell.
Well if at first you don’t succeed try try again.

Here is a funny song I found while I scoured the net looking for anyone who does the

 

[Lakshmana]

Turn the poop into compost while adding urine regularly.
Let it release all superfluous odors so it is a dark earth with many oils.

 

[Pilgrim]

As always... who has the authority to do it. Its not about 'Potestas' it is about 'auctoritas'.

You mean self-appointed "authority" predicated on the power of owning the Stone. Abuse of power. Just more nonsense.

A Lion is not the same as a Gnu. They are in different stages of evolution. It's nature in action.

Yet both require water to live. Imagine what kind of wicked despot a person would have to be to take control of Nature's water hole and say "I am now the authority over this water hole and I dictate that only lions may drink from it". Again the excuses come thick and fast but don't stand up to scrutiny. The power of the Stone is being abused. It is a thing of Nature and it belongs to all.

Catholics say the same thing about Muslims.
Is it not fare? Is that the thing?

It's wicked, that's the thing. People are dying by the million, horribly. If there are people with universal medicine to prevent those deaths then they are wicked beyond belief for keeping it for themselves.

 

[Pilgrim]

I have been thinking how many authors mention Urine and the ICH lineage mentions a clay from the mine of man. So I am leaning in that direction right now, as I feel it is in line with the emerald tablet. above below below above wind in the belly sort of thing. Two matter, but one, but three from the same root.

How it is prepared seems to be the key.

Good luck with your choice. There are of course numerous paths. Urine, Antimony, Cinnabar etc etc. Different authors followed different paths. Doubtless all paths have their merits and challenges. The urine path is I believe a smelly one so no good for me in my current circumstances. Keep us posted on your progress.