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I wish that LeoR would teach us a recipe. I dont need to become a god I just want to be more human than human.
 

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In short: If you don't like the merchant or merchandise, seek a different fishmonger. And if you don't like paying for fish, go fishing yourself. The information itself is always free, but we ALL pay for getting there, somehow, one way or another.

There are many people who would like to go fishing for themselves, they just don't know how to go about it. Why would someone who already has that knowledge, who knows how to fish, not want to pass that knowledge freely and openly with anyone else who wanted to learn? Imagine if nobody taught anyone else the basics of life. How to cook, how to boil an egg, how to make a loaf of bread, how to make dirty water potable. What a state we would all be in. Imagine if we didn't pass down the knowledge of how to cure people's ailments and instead just left everyone to suffer miserably, possibly until death. Imagine knowing how to help someone but refusing to do so freely and openly.

Then what you have is the sick world we live in.

The act of giving is nullified if it is simultaneously accompanied by an act of taking.
 

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I was once friends with someone who was a Reiki healer. When I asked what that was really about they said it was about channelling energies from "somewhere" into the body of the receiving person. When I asked what exactly were these energies, where do they come from, where did they originate, I got no answers. The person just said they were a chaneller, a conduit for that energy.

Because of this I never participated in a Reiki session. I said to the healer, if you don't understand the energy you are messing with, if you don't know where it comes from, what its nature is, how that nature manifests itself in a human body, then you're messing with things you can't comprehend and for all you know you might be chanelling really bad energy into someone.

There are times in our lives where we convince ourselves that we know something, that we can do something but in reality we don't really understand the full extent of what is happening. You might revel in the knowledge that you've somehow communicated with something or someone that isn't human, a ghost, a spirit, an entity. But if you don't know exactly what that thing is, where it came from, how to discern a right one from a wrong one, then you're messing with potential catastrophic dangers which is bad enough to do to oneself, but irresponsible to unleash on another person. Nothing I've read here convinces me that there is full understanding. All I see is the initial ego centred reaction to having done "something" and a desire to exploit that ability by leading others into that world whilst relieving people of money or other value along the way.

Here's a thing, when you know yourself, when you know what a human being is then you know that you are a totally vulnerable creature. A human can be easily cajoled, easily programmed with any ideology, any lie, any religion or any tribal tendency. That is what we are. We are dumb computer systems which any more intelligent entity or advanced human can program any way they wish.

How then can we hope to survive in this world given this innate catastrophic vulnerability?

In the end you must decide for yourself one or more core values to live by and then stick with them, whether they be right or wrong, good or bad.

Love is at the heart of my personal values of existence. An empathy, sympathy with my fellow humans who suffer the same vulnerabilities. If I can help my fellow human in any way then I will do so. I will give my time, my effort, my strength, my abilities, my compassion. I've saved many from taking the toxic Covid treatments. I've alerted many to the impending string of national emergencies and helped them understand how to prepare so they can cast off fear and survive the periods easily. I've taught people how to use natural remedies instead of toxic meds.

We are all different but this is me.

If I come across a powerful medicine and if I understand where that medicine comes from, how and why it does what it does, then I'll give it freely to others and if possible show them how to make it themselves. I will teach the man to fish for himself rather than just give him a fish. Then he can eat for the rest of his life instead of just for one day.

What use is power and knowledge if it's going to be used for self-aggrandisement and material gain and not acts of love and kindness?

Pointless in my world.
All your personal opinions, a result of your own personal conditioning, your beliefs not mine!

You see only through the lens of your own filter and can ot contemplate an existence outside of your own, this is why it is impossible for a man , let's be honest, a talking monkey 10000 year or less removed from being hunter gathers, no you have to be more and expand your consciousness and lift all of the veils that keep your from becoming fully self aware. It lease don't pretend to know me inside of your own existence when you ha e never taken he time to encounter another person outside of your own projected self image!

Love is a chemical release for most humans and nothing more , that's it'! Oxytocin, dopemine .You "feel" love but it's nothing more than chemicals released by the brain cause you feel accepted and validated by your own personal support system. The brain does the same in its regards centers for "accomplishments" LMAO Yes weak!

Truth defines even what love is my friend! There is no higher ideal than truth, because without it you wallow in darkness and ignorance. And the only way to open your eyes to the truth is to forget everything you think you know and lift the veils of obscurity from your very being and expand your consciousness, yes I know how to do it . No I'm not some stupid talking monkey that thinks any gift dropped from the sky or any disembodied voice is God....lol. 😂🤣 I test and I validate everything as well as invalidate where necessary. I've invalidate basically everything that humans think make them human and removed every excuse not to seek and attain perfection. Some love to live in servitude ,I do not. Not to a fellow , whatever or whatever power system or structure especially those created by man and used to control. I don't need other people, but because they need me I do want to remove and avail myself from being "needed" by making you self sufficient.
 

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On one hand there is someone offering some teachings with certain conditions. This is for each individual to decide if it fits them or not. This being said, the better way to "advertise" one's work here is through a link in the signature line on this forum. People can just click and find out. All signature lines are also visible to visitors (non-members).

On the other hand, there are views that this kind of stuff should be unconditionally free. But we forget that this stuff IS already free.

To illustrate, I'll post a quote from my own website:

All information is, to a large extent, ‘free’, just like ‘the fish in the sea’. Upon acquiring paid content, you are not paying for the ‘fish in the sea’. You are paying for the labor of the fishermen/fisher-women, their tools, their boats, their experience, their time, and additionally for the packaging and for the delivery. The fish however, are always ‘free’. Everyone has the inalienable right to ‘go fishing’ and access ‘free’ information on their own, but not to lay claims of free entitlement to the fruits of the labor of the fishermen/fisher-women.

In short: If you don't like the merchant or merchandise, seek a different fishmonger. And if you don't like paying for fish, go fishing yourself. The information itself is always free, but we ALL pay for getting there, somehow, one way or another.
Well said Andro, I just didn't expect persona attacks especially after all this time, but I kind did expect the whole, of you are a brother you will give it for free song and dance, along with the entrepreneurial shaming, lol.

My contention is this....no one respects .."free"!!
 

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I am poor but eager to learn.
Like I'm trying to intimate, the worth is inside.
"Only one may enter here whose worth lies far within "
Visita Interiora Terræ Rectificando Invenies Occultum Lapidem", an alchemic motto that can be roughly translated as "Visit the interior of the earth and [by] purifying [yourself] you will find the hidden stone".[1]
This is The Magnum Opus , but by the double language , diplomacy also a double work. At once with a very real physical matter from inside of you but also in learning rectification of the self by analysis, grinding also away at the crassness and outer coverings and purification in the fires of Truth and suffering the loss of what you once held dear, safe and comfortable within all falls away. The light that you once held revealed to have been false light of Truth and replaced by initially the dark night of the soul, but in that darkness the true you finally allowed to grow. Remember that light is only darkness from which the all comes , unknownable and wound up into incandescence. Then the true light is found. This is paralleled in the allegory of the devil or Lucifer, the false light brought down to bare as a veil of darkness over all of humanity. The ego and the imagination pretending that the human animal is anything more than a talking monkey, so what comes is a true humility and humiliation l, but eventually the ego falls away and the human stands once again naked but given new robes to wear, those of brilliance!

My premise is sound and what I would intend is more less a sliding scale based on what you can afford. It can't be free though, what is it worth to you by the 'wealth' you've accumulated and what you calculate that you stand to gain. I know already that I am trading everything essentially from what I consider worthless which is money, but humans do not think as I do.

The true worth that I want from you , I have to make with in you before anyone can find it much less yourself can find it to pay me back. Just as it was made in me.

And yes I told could stand to have more, "like minded" , "people" around, lol.
 

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Love is a chemical release for most humans and nothing more , that's it'! Oxytocin, dopemine .You "feel" love but it's nothing more than chemicals released by the brain cause you feel accepted and validated by your own personal support system. The brain does the same in its regards centers for "accomplishments" LMAO Yes weak!

"Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away"

If love does not dwell in your heart, then you are alone and will remain that way until you let it in.
 

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it will not be free, and will require signing an NDA with penalties for infringement of DCMA,

How lucky that swine such as myself (and others) have been offered pearls of wisdom from a master, and the only thing required in return is to give up some frivolous money. Seriously what good is money if you don't have wisdom? May as give up the lesser in exchange for the greater.
Oh, and also required to sign your life away to secrecy with some attached threats for breaking the oaths ... but that's such a small condition in the grand scheme of things.

Retilus is the real deal. He's definately not a pretender...even as far back as 2009, he was able to turn lead into gold.
converted to a gold powder that would no longer melt at the temperature that I applied and held in order to keep the lead melted. It was the most beautiful thing I've ever seen ,the top layer of lead that made contact with the air would flower and then skin over and harden as it cooled and change colors simultaneously , it would cool but I was still applying heat, and the lead underneath stayed quick. I would then stir and the skin would roll up and crush into powdered gold. Then a new layer of quick silvery lead would be exposed to the air and the process would repeat until the stone was used up. The only thing I put in the crucible was lead and a small amount of the stone mixed with beeswax. It did seem to change to silver first then on to gold. So I believe what you see in the first picture is gold, and silver.
I can't link to this closed thread, but on it he said: "I have nothing to sell, except my gold and that I will sell where I have been selling it for years, at 2% under spot gold price on the AM and PM London price fix."

I am here to illuminate and teach

I believe it is my destiny to help usher in a new world of peace and light, and help create a nation of high priests where everyhting is illuminated and nothing will be beyond our sight, and I have protection to accomplish this ,

He blessed me with an IQ of 147 and gave me a photographic memory and power over the elements

I'm not really sure why a genius who knows how to make gold and is here to usher in a new world would have any need for more money over and above what he already has.
But then...who am I to question the intentions of a self declared master who has "power over the elements"?

Oh wait a minute...I have an idea.
For anyone thinking of paying money to Retilus...just insist on some of that transmuted gold in return along with the instructions from the master.
It's still a win for Retilus because he gets money from his gold without having to face those pesky questions from "the man"
If he were to deny this request, it might appear that gold is worth the same to him as it is to us, but certainly that's not going to be the case.
Surely an IQ of 147 can recognise a great deal when it's offered to him.

And speaking of deals, the one offered by Retilus in the OP is so good that I'm tempted to beg for tution myself, but alas he'll turn me into "the man" if I try...so no go for me 😭
the minute he decides to book a flight to my island which is the only way in, the authorities will be notified.

One last thing...the astute amoung you might think that if Retilus been selling gold to the London price fix for years, then that's proof that he can transmute gold.
But you see, even though he knows how to transmute gold, he also refined scrap gold for many years.
This only goes to show his true genius...which gold is from refining and which is from transmuting?...nobody will ever know. ;)

LeoRetilus: I have been refining gold via the aqua regia method from electronic scrap to get gold to 98%-99.5% purity and them reverse electroplating to get it to 9999 for over ten years
 
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How lucky that swine such as myself (and others) have been offered pearls of wisdom from a master, and the only thing required in return is to give up some frivolous money. Seriously what good is money if you don't have wisdom? May as give up the lesser in exchange for the greater.
Oh, and also required to sign your life away to secrecy with some attached threats for breaking the oaths ... but that's such a small condition in the grand scheme of things.

All very good points Ghetto.

I, myself, don't mind the money ask. I'm with Awani and Andro on that.
What troubles me is the declaration of being a master... nay, beyond a master.

I've heard multiple times from multiple pathways that a true master doesn't call themselves a master.
Why not? What's the deal with that?
Because a true master knows who they are. Or perhaps even better, they see what they are not.
Seeing who they are, or are not, they can therefore see who everyone else is.
They would not call everyone talking monkeys, nor speak so preachy and know it all as if they are the only one that gets it.
The talking down to, exalted sense of self is not in a place of Truth.
That is 100% clear and that's my biggest concern.

I honor free will, and so as long as LeoR is not holding people against their will...
It's their dance. Have at it.
But, I feel inclined to add a sign at the entrance that states... enter at your own risk.
There are potential risks in the agreements you are signing up for.
A Faustian bargain, perhaps?
 

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Since people want recipes so badly im gonna share what im cooking tonight.

Ingredients:
Boiled potatoes
Garlic
Cream
Herbs and spices
Salt and pepper
Mushrooms (Blue shrockets)

Steak (medium rare or don't bother)


If you want to know how to mix the ingredients to end up with mashed potatoes and mushroom sauce you have to jump three times in a circle film it and bank transfer me 3000 Venezuelan Bolívar.
 

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You know, something just hit me about all of this which I want LeoR to know.
I have love for you brother.
And, I have appreciation for you.
I want to reiterate that I have greatly benefitted from reading your posts.
I really wanted to share this side of things as well.
It's all part of the big picture of what is going on here.
 

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They would not call everyone talking monkeys, nor speak so preachy and know it all as if they are the only one that gets it.

I agree wholeheartedly. The stance taken rings alarm bells imo.

Also the OP states that after this "tuition" you will no longer identify as human !

We might ask ourselves, what does being a human actually mean? Humans are a species with genetic make up. Is it reasonable then to suggest that while ever we are alive inside a human body then we are in fact human and thus the only way to be NOT human is to either die and become an entity without a physical body or to transfer oneself from the human body into a different body, a body of another species. If so, then Leo appears to be inviting people to effectively die and become something else so that they are no longer human. I wonder if people realise this.

This is underpinned by Leo's apparent disgust of humans when he says:

LeoRetilus said:
I think and want you all to end, in fact you need to do whatever nature is trying to do stops wasting resources on you talking monkeys, just as it has cut off countless other species who went extinct, you have no idea what it's trying to do and what aim going to help it to do

There appear to be English translation issues with the above paragraph but the sentiment does seem to suggest that Leo wants humans to end and that he thinks Nature is busy trying to do this and Leo intends to help Nature achieve it. That doesn't seem very friendly TBH.

But, I feel inclined to add a sign at the entrance that states... enter at your own risk.
There are potential risks in the agreements you are signing up for.

Yes I agree. Another of Leo's statements highlights this:

LeoRetilus said:
I've been blown up twice set on fire and died twice with poisons. 50% of my body is scarred.

Not the best of advertising résumés, really.

And what does that really mean? "I've. . . died twice with poisons"?

Are we to take from this that Leo has actually died twice and then twice been somehow resurrected?!!! Really? . . . .


And finally Leo makes it very clear that he won't be providing any recipe or method for creating the Stone, which is odd in many ways because:

a) It's likely one of the primary aims of anyone joining an Alchemy forum and

b) He claims to have made the Stone twice already


He also claims that those he teaches will become "Master Masons" so is this in fact just a back door into Freemasonry in which case the notions of oaths or NDA's and punishments all ring true. Another reason this would not be for me personally. Freemasonry hoodwinks people very literally and in numerous ways. For me it's just one more system of control and it seems to me that they look for people who are easy to manipulate. Belief in some kind of supreme being is a pre-requisite for joining. Leo has already called Christ the devil so it's clear that the supreme being at the heart of this cult/society with secrets is certainly not God as most would understand and use the term.

Each to their own I guess.
 
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I respect the work and sharing done by Leo through the years.
It takes a lot of time to create conditions to find trustworthy people and to work, confidently with other alchemists. I don't know if Leo has the stone, because I never saw it or put it to the test, but I choose to trust before criticizing. And I would really like to see the silabus and know the conditions of this work. Why everyone is always so eager to attack and defend?
He is offering something HERE using his persona. He could just make a website and make it popular between alchemist communities, using another name/persona.
 

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And I would really like to see the silabus and know the conditions of this work.

I think that's eminently sensible.

He is offering something HERE using his persona. He could just make a website and make it popular between alchemist communities, using another name/persona.

I guess it's the manner in which the "something" was offered. It's not free and NDA's are involved with penalties etc.

I'm perhaps very naive but I thought the idea of a forum like this was to bring like-minded people together and to FREELY share ideas and information pertaining (primarily) to Alchemy.
 

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NO DOXING OF ANY KIND! NO POSTING REAL NAMES!
How lucky that swine such as myself (and others) have been offered pearls of wisdom from a master, and the only thing required in return is to give up some frivolous money. Seriously what good is money if you don't have wisdom? May as give up the lesser in exchange for the greater.
Oh, and also required to sign your life away to secrecy with some attached threats for breaking the oaths ... but that's such a small condition in the grand scheme of things.

Retilus is the real deal. He's definately not a pretender...even as far back as 2009, he was able to turn lead into gold.

I can't link to this closed thread, but on it he said: "I have nothing to sell, except my gold and that I will sell where I have been selling it for years, at 2% under spot gold price on the AM and PM London price fix."







I'm not really sure why a genius who knows how to make gold and is here to usher in a new world would have any need for more money over and above what he already has.
But then...who am I to question the intentions of a self declared master who has "power over the elements"?

Oh wait a minute...I have an idea.
For anyone thinking of paying money to Retilus...just insist on some of that transmuted gold in return along with the instructions from the master.
It's still a win for Retilus because he gets money from his gold without having to face those pesky questions from "the man"
If he were to deny this request, it might appear that gold is worth the same to him as it is to us, but certainly that's not going to be the case.
Surely an IQ of 147 can recognise a great deal when it's offered to him.

And speaking of deals, the one offered by Retilus in the OP is so good that I'm tempted to beg for tution myself, but alas he'll turn me into "the man" if I
I respect the work and sharing done by Leo through the years.
It takes a lot of time to create conditions to find trustworthy people and to work, confidently with other alchemists. I don't know if Leo has the stone, because I never saw it or put it to the test, but I choose to trust before criticizing. And I would really like to see the silabus and know the conditions of this work. Why everyone is always so eager to attack and defend?
He is offering something HERE using his persona. He could just make a website and make it popular between alchemist communities, using another name/persona.
You arent trustworthy [Real name removed]
 

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I guess it's the manner in which the "something" was offered. It's not free and NDA's are involved with penalties etc.

I'm perhaps very naive but I thought the idea of a forum like this was to bring like-minded people together and to FREELY share ideas and information pertaining (primarily) to Alchemy.
Maybe...
Leo asked if someone was interested, he didn't ask "Who is not interested, and why". When I'm not interested, I move along.
Let's be honest, if it were not for the previous talks about vaccines/COVID-19 etc, biased thoughts would not show up, and some members could even be receptive to the proposed idea.
To offer something does not mean "free" or without some conditions. Take a job offer as an example, for instance, it's not free. There's always an exchange. Everything is founded on exchanges. You breathe in, and you breathe out.
I'm not defending anyone, because no one needs defense. I'm just presenting a non-extremist view about it. Something that every time seems more difficult between people. If he says: "to do this it must be under my conditions because I'm the one giving" it's not up to me to change the conditions he established. Those are HIS conditions. Take it or leave it... He didn't "Hey people, let's negotiate conditions".

Let me be brutally honest here. I worked with someone from the forum before. Not an adept, but an alchemist nevertheless. I wish I had done an NDA, my dear. Because now it's getting crazy. You cannot trust. I sent pictures, of me! I gave details of my life, work, and family because I trusted. Never again! Never again in a forum where nobody knows the other, never saw his eyes and shake his hands.

I stopped writing after all posts began to be flooded by the discourse "no SM, no alchemy". Come on... People want to experiment because that is the NATURE of this art. Castrate, or trying to do it is always bad for us and others. I returned to the forum, after a health issue, and the former person I considered a Friend, now, only knows how to express hate. WTF!!! People who say that are illuminated, do spiritual practices and receive initiations behave like this? NO THEY DONT. And it only shows that much has to be done to progress in the path. Here, you only see people for what they do and say.

So when you say that :
the idea of a forum like this was to bring like-minded people together and to FREELY share ideas and information pertaining (primarily) to Alchemy.
I agree with you. The idea probably was that one. But who do you see really and in the open talk about it? Spagyrics is not alchemy. And even in spagyrics, almost no one shares the work, proposes ideas, shows the processes to get other perspectives etc. Many participants are working with goodwill, the ones remaining. But there are anchors and links in the chain that almost lost their vigor.

And, they have it! listen, they did! They shared openly. 3 incarnations ago all was different.
Take a look here: https://alchemy-forums.forumotion.com/t268-metallic-magister-of-acetates-path
or here https://alchemy-forums.forumotion.com/t83-the-red-stone-of-urine
or here https://alchemy-forums.forumotion.com/t388-new-volatile-alkali-process
As the wood burns, there's less fire... Like in life.

So between: 1) privacy conditions and work or 2) inconsequential drama, I prefer the work.
 

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All very good points Ghetto.

I, myself, don't mind the money ask. I'm with Awani and Andro on that.
What troubles me is the declaration of being a master... nay, beyond a master.

I've heard multiple times from multiple pathways that a true master doesn't call themselves a master.
Why not? What's the deal with that?
Because a true master knows who they are. Or perhaps even better, they see what they are not.
Seeing who they are, or are not, they can therefore see who everyone else is.
They would not call everyone talking monkeys, nor speak so preachy and know it all as if they are the only one that gets it.
The talking down to, exalted sense of self is not in a place of Truth.
That is 100% clear and that's my biggest concern.

I honor free will, and so as long as LeoR is not holding people against their will...
It's their dance. Have at it.
But, I feel inclined to add a sign at the entrance that states... enter at your own risk.
There are potential risks in the agreements you are signing up for.
A Faustian bargain, perhaps?
Be sure what I am or have become is beyond the confines of your systems of power, of master and slave, of all humanity, in the end , when everything is complete and perfect, what is there left to separate you from I? But will you be there? No you cannot unless I change you, you will use the Stone on everything else and remain yourselves? Lol? Ever stop to consider you are the work? The subject? But you can't even contemplate that can you? A mathematical and complete physical and spiritual peace, a completion? No more systems? No more separations? No more you on top of anything in your own imaginations? What's up from down and all around, You can't even follow me, you get dizzy! Do this think of me not above or below but outside and away from everything where I as well use arbitrary space and time to create something entirely new! But I finish things! And I walk away and it somehow leaves everyone amazed yet also angry and jealous.Why? What make a big deal of anything? Easy peasy! It's funny that the Spanish conquistador found that everyone they should not have gold had it? Everyone that should not have had knowledge had it? Imagine that Everything they thought they knew was wrong.....I revel in it!
 

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Be sure what I am or have become is beyond the confines of your systems of power, of master and slave, of all humanity, in the end

I'm curious to know what it is you think you have become. You appear to have language translation problems which would make any kind of tuition difficult for anyone that doesn't speak your native language whatever that is. You appear to be quick to anger which doesn't speak to any kind of enlightened position imho. You appear to despise those who you now think are beneath you, yet seem to forget that you too must once have been one of those people. This speaks to a total lack of compassion.

Have you had anyone wanting to take up your offer of tuition? I'm guessing not.


Ever stop to consider you are the work? The subject? But you can't even contemplate that can you?

Well yes, we can! The majority of people interested in Alchemy are totally aware that there is a practical side and a spiritual side. Heck the forum you are posting on has specific sections for Practical Alchemy and Spiritual Alchemy (The metaphysical, philosophical, psychological and sexual aspects of alchemy). So yes, I think most here have contemplated the need for both the practical and spiritual transformations. Kinda bizarre for you to suggest otherwise.


And I walk away and it somehow leaves everyone amazed yet also angry and jealous.Why?

I haven't seen anyone here expressing anger except yourself in all honesty. As for jealousy . . . . nope can't see that either. The traits you are displaying in your posts are absolutely not something I would personally be jealous of. There's no love, compassion, empathy or humility in your posts and those are traits that I deem valuable so no, I don't perceive there to be any jealousy.
Perhaps it's the result of the language translator you are using?
 

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LeoR, this has gone too far.
You're way out there mate.
This is an another "episode" - like a mania in Bipolar.
Not diagnosing you as that, per se, but maybe something along those lines.
It's always followed by the depression.
What goes up must come down.
Then the apology usually follows.
You are brilliant, no doubt about that.
But you have to keep a healthy balance with the emotional field, or it gets like this,
what you are displaying. The intellect runs off and the emotions get taken over.
 

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I'm curious to know what it is you think you have become. You appear to have language translation problems which would make any kind of tuition difficult for anyone that doesn't speak your native language whatever that is. You appear to be quick to anger which doesn't speak to any kind of enlightened position imho. You appear to despise those who you now think are beneath you, yet seem to forget that you too must once have been one of those people. This speaks to a total lack of compassion.

Have you had anyone wanting to take up your offer of tuition? I'm guessing not.




Well yes, we can! The majority of people interested in Alchemy are totally aware that there is a practical side and a spiritual side. Heck the forum you are posting on has specific sections for Practical Alchemy and Spiritual Alchemy (The metaphysical, philosophical, psychological and sexual aspects of alchemy). So yes, I think most here have contemplated the need for both the practical and spiritual transformations. Kinda bizarre for you to suggest otherwise.




I haven't seen anyone here expressing anger except yourself in all honesty. As for jealousy . . . . nope can't see that either. The traits you are displaying in your posts are absolutely not something I would personally be jealous of. There's no love, compassion, empathy or humility in your posts and those are traits that I deem valuable so no, I don't perceive there to be any jealousy.
Perhaps it's the result of the language translator you are using?
Right there proof is in the pudding, you are your reactions, you are a mirror of yourself not me! You can't even understand me! I speak English but I speak of something completely outside of you while all you see is above and below you! You are completely indoctrinated into caste system and servitude that you think you see me or that I see myself someplace above or below you! I just freaking wrote it! Read it! I said outside!! Out here ! In the outer darkness where everything is one and perfect,complete! It's coming from you, the peaceful nothing! I'm nothing!:Now if you know chaos and math you might come closer to understanding me, but no you think ego and greed, not equilibrium and balance, so use your understanding, at to yourself that I am nothing if that eases your ego,cause to you I am nothing and you will never grasp me or what I seek to accomplish, perfection. You do have a choice! But when everything is perfect and you remain as you are, where does that leave you? Its sad, really all of it is ! Not anyplace not anywhere is there anything to be proud of! Nowhere! Even perfection has no pride! None! Completely embarrassing! I'm completely embarrassed! I was there also , a great fool! But a voice came to me and kept saying one thing! Foolish Pride! And one day I awoke and here I am rubbing my eyes, trying to get you to do the same....
 

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LeoR, this has gone too far.
You're way out there mate.
This is an another "episode" - like a mania in Bipolar.
Not diagnosing you as that, per se, but maybe something along those lines.
It's always followed by the depression.
What goes up must come down.
Then the apology usually follows.
You are brilliant, no doubt about that.
But you have to keep a healthy balance with the emotional field, or it gets like this,
what you are displaying. The intellect runs off and the emotions get taken over.
This is my work and I abandoned emotion for logic and reason cause I am very tired and time is precious . I only need a few and I'm getting them, they know who they are, I display what they are looking for , it really has nothing to do with me, I only hold the torch and pass it on, I'm an Olympic runner and my race is run.....I use my torch to light there's and I like nature wil send runners in every direction outward spreading light. I have nothing to apologize for!
 

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I'm curious to know what it is you think you have become. You appear to have language translation problems which would make any kind of tuition difficult for anyone that doesn't speak your native language whatever that is. You appear to be quick to anger which doesn't speak to any kind of enlightened position imho. You appear to despise those who you now think are beneath you, yet seem to forget that you too must once have been one of those people. This speaks to a total lack of compassion.

Have you had anyone wanting to take up your offer of tuition? I'm guessing not.




Well yes, we can! The majority of people interested in Alchemy are totally aware that there is a practical side and a spiritual side. Heck the forum you are posting on has specific sections for Practical Alchemy and Spiritual Alchemy (The metaphysical, philosophical, psychological and sexual aspects of alchemy). So yes, I think most here have contemplated the need for both the practical and spiritual transformations. Kinda bizarre for you to suggest otherwise.




I haven't seen anyone here expressing anger except yourself in all honesty. As for jealousy . . . . nope can't see that either. The traits you are displaying in your posts are absolutely not something I would personally be jealous of. There's no love, compassion, empathy or humility in your posts and those are traits that I deem valuable so no, I don't perceive there to be any jealousy.
Perhaps it's the result of the language translator you are using?
Your human emotions are only nature's chemical release al of you humans are drug addicts, at one point nature developed these feel good chemical cause you were so lazy you would even get up and look for food. Weakness, magnifying weakness, even your need for validation and acceptance Like fish you school together, abandoning truth for safety in numbers, why is the road to destruction wide? . One thing should should be clear to you by now ! I don't accept anything but Truth and Perfection! Could I accept myself? No! Not as I was! Could I accept you! No ! Why? Cause I am already there at the end , waiting for you, at the end of all things where everything is perfect and complete! I'm so tired of all of this endless cycle of bullshit. Love, help, power now help me separate myself and my family, and let everyone have it too eventually?, so that when everyone has it no one does and we stay in the same place, asleep and unaware. That at the end , we didn't make it? We a perished together? LMAO And now you know what I hear at the end? Static, white noise, all your spirits complaining and groaning that I left you behind....I did? Or you yourselves cut each other off? At what point does compassion and nursing say , learn your lessons , feel pain and suffering until you to get tired and want a change? Make you more comfortable? Easy your pain I'd be doing you a ...favor? I need one too! Grow up! Wake up! IGet up and grab your nuts! I want peace,but no matter where I go I can't find it. Not until it's all done will anyone find peace. You want God? Become one! Become ONE!!
 

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LeoR, this has gone too far.
You're way out there mate.
This is an another "episode" - like a mania in Bipolar.
Not diagnosing you as that, per se, but maybe something along those lines.
It's always followed by the depression.
What goes up must come down.
Then the apology usually follows.
You are brilliant, no doubt about that.
But you have to keep a healthy balance with the emotional field, or it gets like this,
what you are displaying. The intellect runs off and the emotions get taken over.

Well put TO. I'll bow out at this point as all I see here is someone who needs help and I don't have the capacity to provide it. I hope others do.