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I'm going to start an alchemy/spiritual study group, it will more or less be both local in Western Michigan and virtual(global). It will not be free and also not a democracy nor a space to share ideas but to be receptive and to graduate yourself up the ladder of the sages through a progressive understanding, accumulation of knowledge but also my methods to analyze,store, absorb and apply said knowledge your very being and mental organization, construct and thought process will change as I will implement means of neutral plasticity but also open certain doors that allow you store information outside of your brain and the opening of other doors to communicate to spirits an other beings as well.
The path set forth is not only to what I now consider a menial end , the coction of the stone of the wise, which you all seem to lust after by method or recipe, which actually serves you little purpose than to grow lazier or weaker by nature's definitions of comfort and vice. Which that you can actually do without and by other simpler means accomplish more, and note well, while you will never receive a method or recipe from me you will receive more than enough to understand all paths of life and death, creation and destruction ever depicted by talking monkeys by allegory, anagram or religious practice, we forbid!
But after but a conversion of this lust as well and a graduation of your spirit and soul , if there is such a thing , into a path of ascension to become not only Master Mason(outer lab Alchemy )and ultimately master of all paths including the inner of the Nei Kung (inner Alchemy) and into the to 'Ascension' to an Elohim or a true Cristos, God-Man, and the creation of The Merkabah Chariot and The Enthronement Room. You will learn a great deal but above all you will no longer identify as 'human'.
That's is my offer, it will not be free, and will require signing an NDA with penalties for infringement of DCMA, such as disemenating my material and course work for profit on the internet or elsewhere and the likes.

You will know yourself!
 
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Will vaccination be mandatory for physical attendance?

I'd be more than glad to sign a no disclosure agreement with a great sage as yourself!
 

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Thank you for the offer but no thanks. The truth either comes freely and openly, without silly oaths and contracts, or not at all. That's just me. When the end comes I will hold those who kept vital knowledge from others accountable for their actions.
 

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Will vaccination be mandatory for physical attendance?

I'd be more than glad to sign a no disclosure agreement with a great sage as yourself!
Lol, of course not, cept for a vaccination against religion!! LMAO 😂 They don't call us "free" Masons for nothing.
Thank you for the offer but no thanks. The truth either comes freely and openly, without silly oaths and contracts, or not at all. That's just me. When the end comes I will hold those who kept vital knowledge from others accountable for their actions.
Lmfao 😂😆, the offer wasn't meant to any one specific person and does not require a personal declining or contradiction However, knowledge is power, you pay for it one way or another! And everything is paid for down here through suffering . My suffering is free to you? Hell No! Wasn't fee to me. I've been blown up twice set on fire and died twice with poisons. 50% of my body is scarred.
And aside from that we also speaking of value here who values anything that's free no one the amount of valuation that it takes to hold and keep this knowledge are very profound in fact without that primary premise and basis you cannot come to this body of knowledge, you see it's also a question of worth. The worst of what's inside or as fuckinelli says only the inside makes the ruin manifest.

And I'm speaking of omniscience and omnipotence which I'm probably further along than any other human in history , but you are going to hold me accountable? How? In your imagination? 😆😂🤣

And yes because your intellect and your capacity to hold the knowledge I have to impart is limited part of the process is expanding your consciousness and capacity to hold the knowledge. In order to become more than human you have to surpass first your human limitations and I'm not aware of any place but for free or for a payment anyone has a been able to achieve that, except for perhaps becoming a monk or ascetic in the Himalayas but they don't accept westerners... . But that even only works for the spiritual component not the mental! Who is going to teach you how to feel and manipulate the life force that flows through all living things including yourself and learn to manipulate that life force to the extent that you can take it from living animals and put it into a human to heal them or to even resurrect them as these people had been doing for thousands of years before the devil Christ came along quasi fashion himself and do a man God in the eyes of speaking primates?

But ok move along nothing to see here.....
 

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Truth is always simple, beautiful and free.

before the devil Christ came along quasi fashion himself and do a man God in the eyes of speaking primates

Thanks for confirming that Freemasonry is in no way compatible with Christianity or most other religions despite the craft hoodwinking candidates that it is. That will be useful to some who might have been considering joining.

If I could heal a fellow human, I would do so immediately without a moment's thought, without request for payment, without request for any oath. Such is the power of love. If you have no love, then whatever you think you have, is utterly worthless.
 

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I'm going to start an alchemy/spiritual study group, it will more or less be both local in Western Michigan and virtual(global). It will not be free and also not a democracy nor a space to share ideas but to be receptive and to graduate yourself up the ladder of the sages through a progressive understanding, accumulation of knowledge but also my methods to analyze,store, absorb and apply said knowledge your very being and mental organization, construct and thought process will change as I will implement means of neutral plasticity but also open certain doors that allow you store information outside of your brain and the opening of other doors to communicate to spirits an other beings as well.
The path set forth is not only to what I now consider a menial end , the coction of the stone of the wise, which you all seem to lust after by method or recipe, which actually serves you little purpose than to grow lazier or weaker by nature's definitions of comfort and vice. Which that you can actually do without and by other simpler means accomplish more, and note well, while you will never receive a method or recipe from me you will receive more than enough to understand all paths of life and death, creation and destruction ever depicted by talking monkeys by allegory, anagram or religious practice, we forbid!
But after but a conversion of this lust as well and a graduation of your spirit and soul , if there is such a thing , into a path of ascension to become not only Master Mason(outer lab Alchemy )and ultimately master of all paths including the inner of the Nei Kung (inner Alchemy) and into the to 'Ascension' to an Elohim or a true Cristos, God-Man, and the creation of The Merkabah Chariot and The Enthronement Room. You will learn a great deal but above all you will no longer identify as 'human'.
That's is my offer, it will not be free, and will require signing an NDA with penalties for infringement of DCMA, such as disemenating my material and course work for profit on the internet or elsewhere and the likes.

You will know yourself!

How can you teach someone to know themself when you, yourself LeoR, do not?

You have knowledge. I'll give you that.
In fact, I have learned so much from reading your posts here through the years
and for that, I am deeply grateful. Always will be.

But you are a wounded child, as we all are, and given the fact that your ego cannot stand on the same ground as the many other great minds and beings that abound here on this Forum and around you on the Earth, you have no brotherly love.
You are greatly developed on the level of the intellect, but you have done very little to heal yourself and understand
your emotional vulnerability, your wounds, and where your motivations come from.
If I made an "essence" from you, you'd be all intellect and your earth would be weak, undeveloped, even absent.

You haven't made the Stone. Now you are sour-graping it, calling it a menial task.

If one follows your history on the Forum, you have changed from year to year (as RogerC too) in what you have been so sure of (in regards to the first matter, etc). Following that pattern, what makes this any different? It's just the next thing you are exalting in your own mind.

You haven't become a master of Nei Kung/ Nei Dan, but you claim to be able to teach that way.
You demand utmost receptivity and are not open to receive yourself from others around.

Humility is a sign of a master. You are not a master.
In fact, no master would put forth a proposal like this, in the way you have expressed it.
So why would you create the atmosphere of being a master, when you are not, and no master would create such an atmosphere in the first place?

What you are proposing to do with others, help them open doors to spirits, you have not discerned
where these are coming from, nor of what energies they align with, and of which you are likely already heavily influenced by. If you understand this one sentence, you can begin to understand how to begin healing yourself.

There's a whole minefield of red flags in your proposal. The fact that you put all of this out there means you don't see them.

But for one who would do anything for knowledge, including lick the boots of a not-master, divorce themselves from their own inner alchemist / sovereign Child of Creator, and be willing to learn from any spirits, this could be a very lucrative enterprise.
 

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Truth is always simple, beautiful and free.



Thanks for confirming that Freemasonry is in no way compatible with Christianity or most other religions despite the craft hoodwinking candidates that it is. That will be useful to some who might have been considering joining.

If I could heal a fellow human, I would do so immediately without a moment's thought, without request for payment, without request for any oath. Such is the power of love. If you have no love, then whatever you think you have, is utterly worthless.
The reality is there is no good or evil that all lives in the imagination of the Jew or Christian, what's good for my tribe or people is bad for yours especially when we all want the same thing, so we go to war, what's changed? Wake up! ! They fight for survival which is the only reality of nature, natural selection and survival of the fittest.
Aside from that there is only light and darkness, lies and deceit that is darkness, but there is ignorance as well! On the other side of that coin as well... light is the supernal Truth of Knowledge, but therin lies the rub because knowledge is power and you humans who are nothing but animals, think that you have the right to decide who or what lives or does!
I Like the Lorax I choose the trees and the lowly animals, "He chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things and the things that are not-to nullify the things that"are". Nature does no such thing! It branches out in a million ways looking for a way! And it has abandoned humans because they have abandoned it, in their quest for power to make themselves more comfortable
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Yes there is a growing number of theologians who believe that the devil rose in Christ place, because to be a true sacrifice Christ, son of God would have been sacrificed to the underworld to sit until the end of time while the devil who always wanted to be God now gets to play one through a of you Christians and i have validated the fact that Christians and Catholics just as he said are the sickest people on earth , and just remember this that while he wants you broken and on your knees so that his power is perfected through, you the weak who prey on the weaker as he told Saul of Damascus, that I like Leonidas and the Spartans want you to stand on your own two feet, without a thorn in your side, whole, rational and thinking for yourselves, testing and validating everything to find and carry the light of Truth.
Religion is all power, lies, darkness and deceit, they developed the power of the Stone and then made themselves appear as Gods with its power and created religions and brought the veil of darkness down over everyone, both Solomon and Mohammad.
I will give it away but not for free, the worth is there! But is it in you? That's what I want to find out, who's worthy? But , In order to find the worth first you have to make it. Vitriol! Visit the interior of the earth(you) and rectify there what you find and discover the true medicine!
 

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How can you teach someone to know themself when you, yourself LeoR, do not?

You have knowledge. I'll give you that.
In fact, I have learned so much from reading your posts here through the years
and for that, I am deeply grateful. Always will be.

But you are a wounded child, as we all are, and given the fact that your ego cannot stand on the same ground as the many other great minds and beings that abound here on this Forum and around you on the Earth, you have no brotherly love.
You are greatly developed on the level of the intellect, but you have done very little to heal yourself and understand
your emotional vulnerability, your wounds, and where your motivations come from.
If I made an "essence" from you, you'd be all intellect and your earth would be weak, undeveloped, even absent.

You haven't made the Stone. Now you are sour-graping it, calling it a menial task.

If one follows your history on the Forum, you have changed from year to year (as RogerC too) in what you have been so sure of (in regards to the first matter, etc). Following that pattern, what makes this any different? It's just the next thing you are exalting in your own mind.

You haven't become a master of Nei Kung/ Nei Dan, but you claim to be able to teach that way.
You demand utmost receptivity and are not open to receive yourself from others around.

Humility is a sign of a master. You are not a master.
In fact, no master would put forth a proposal like this, in the way you have expressed it.
So why would you create the atmosphere of being a master, when you are not, and no master would create such an atmosphere in the first place?

What you are proposing to do with others, help them open doors to spirits, you have not discerned
where these are coming from, nor of what energies they align with, and of which you are likely already heavily influenced by. If you understand this one sentence, you can begin to understand how to begin healing yourself.

There's a whole minefield of red flags in your proposal. The fact that you put all of this out there means you don't see them.

But for one who would do anything for knowledge, including lick the boots of a not-master, divorce themselves from their own inner alchemist / sovereign Child of Creator, and be willing to learn from any spirits, this could be a very lucrative enterprise.
You are wrong about me! I have made the Stone twice now and about to be a third time. And wrong about everything else, actually I mean how dare you!
You don't know me or anything about me! I'm not wounded, if I am it's because of all the lies and the ego and arrogance of humans that drives me, I think and want you all to end, in fact you need to do whatever nature is trying to do stops wasting resources on you talking monkeys, just as it has cut off countless other species who went extinct, you have no idea what it's trying to do and what aim going to help it to do.
I don't claim to be a master but much more than that my friend! One day you will see! But you will fear more and not be able to see! That's is where man becomes as God, when the man deifys him...think about it.....We made you to be as us, The Elohim, but you prefer to be talking monkeys instead......
Now read my word and put them in context, for one have you read anything? Yes we call our work women's work and childs play...doesn't sound like a menial work to you? And in the same manner of the masters yes I speak with the Knowledge of The Wise Birds, the double speak , diploma! The complete mastery to speak on two levels! But if you put my world in context by menial , I said your purposes with it! To stay young, live long and be able to spend all the money you are gonna make? Menial is human! Yes! My purposes are much more lofty with it and for you, to become as a God! But not an evil one! First I have to purge all of the good and evil and ego from you!
 
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Make it a 1-2 weeks in person course, with a masterfully crafted syllabus and I'll attend, money is no object. We can even do it one on one, just me and you. I'm always open to learn more and you were always someone who I respected.
 

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You are wrong about me! I have made the Stone twice now and about to be a third time. And wrong about everything else, actually I mean how dare you!

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You know, I tend to be a pretty trusting person.
I tend to take people's word at face value.
But there is such incoherence in your writing LeoR, that I do not take your word at face value.
I do not believe you have made any sort of true stone that fulfills the writings of the ancients.

You don't know me or anything about me!

I do know you. I got a very deep insight into you and now you are showing more.

I'm not wounded, if I am it's because of all the lies and the ego and arrogance of humans that drives me, I think and want you all to end, in fact you need to do whatever nature is trying to do stops wasting resources on you talking monkeys, just as it has cut off countless other species who went extinct, you have no idea what it's trying to do and what aim going to help it to do.
I don't claim to be a master but much more than that my friend! One day you will see! But you will fear more and not be able to see! That's is where man becomes as God, when the man deifys him...think about it.....We made you to be as us, The Elohim, but you prefer to be talking monkeys instead......

I know we are not STRICTLY human. To identify only as that would be an error.
But to say we are NOT human while we are living in human bodies is just... foolish.
In the Rudolf Steiner - Lucifer-Ahriman tradition, it's very Luciferic to deny your humanness.
And Ahrimanic to deny your Spiritual nature.

Well... so you're even beyond a Master.
On the day I will see but I am not able to see, I will see you are.... ???
 

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You know, I tend to be a pretty trusting person.
I tend to take people's word at face value.
But there is such incoherence in your writing LeoR, that I do not take your word at face value.
I do not believe you have made any sort of true stone that fulfills the writings of the ancients.

I understand him, he speaks the truth. For a moment I thought, am I writing this? Then I realized it's the self, writing through him.
 

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Maybe you should learn to spell and talk coherently before claiming to be God like.
Good luck
 

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You know, I tend to be a pretty trusting person.
I tend to take people's word at face value.
But there is such incoherence in your writing LeoR, that I do not take your word at face value.
I do not believe you have made any sort of true stone that fulfills the writings of the ancients.



I do know you. I got a very deep insight into you and now you are showing more.



I know we are not STRICTLY human. To identify only as that would be an error.
But to say we are NOT human while we are living in human bodies is just... foolish.
In the Rudolf Steiner - Lucifer-Ahriman tradition, it's very Luciferic to deny your humanness.
And Ahrimanic to deny your Spiritual nature.

Well... so you're even beyond a Master.
On the day I will see but I am not able to see, I will see you are.... ???
So you are one of those idiots that thinks he can discern everything from behind a computer screen? LMAO 🤣 😂 Blind as a bat in a place worse than Plato's cave!

The gap in "incoherence"is the gap in your own comprehension. Id have to fill the gap for you to understand, but I speak to you in levels you do not even understand! To your pysche, to your sub conscience! Suffice it to say we all see the unfulfillment and imperfections in ourselves and reflect that in the mirror of the lens of our own filters! In other words we only take an inventory of ourselves of what we lack and mirror that back at others , TBH honest talking monkeys still point and grunt, oh ah oh ah, screech and scratch nuts...

Well I mean read your history, next you deify me as a God and then you run away and hide you face from me!! Like you are now! Unfraid to look up on me from you own ego , do you know from when your ego arises? Truthfully? I do! It a survival instinct, human animals are so weak that they fool other animals with the ego. You will one day say all sorts of things about me though, as is the egos nature, that I was never human, as they say now.That I was made to be perfect and you can't be . It's all there, I've validated it all. I'm finished with humanity, yes now I want them to be something more or go away.... The truth is this , I hate humans! And I hate being one so much that I became something else!! The Will finds the Truth and together just as Nature they find a way. Always life finds a way.
 

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Maybe you should learn to spell and talk coherently before claiming to be God like.
Good luck
What's God like to you? Lol 😆 talking monkey have worshiped airplanes as God because they dropped food , just as when the ancient of days dropped manna from its ship! LMAO 🤣😂
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41392-023-01406-7

The reality is that you are al still talking monkeys, only 10K years removed from your tribal knowledge, hunter gathers ways, lemme clue you in on something 10K years is nothing in evolutionary terms, you haven't changed one iota, you are comfortable as is and have no reason to have changed your programming or conditioning, natural selection only activates outside of the comfort zone to survival.Ues because my whole life even as a child I've been hated for everything a talking monkey can think to hate me for, I've earned it well and lived it and can defeat it, yes because I hate it, and that what I'm offering now! A look above the grey clouds and what's on the other side of all your fears. Starting with your fear of "god"..
 
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Well that's my rationale and offer take it or leave it, attack me you are just attacking yourselves against a rock that you can only break yourselves against, the mirror of the self.....All I want is to eliminate darkness and spread light nut unfortunately it means breaking a few egos to make an omelette.
 

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So you are one of those idiots that thinks he can discern everything from behind a computer screen? LMAO 🤣 😂

No. Not everything is being discerned from behind a computer screen.


The truth is this , I hate humans! And I hate being one so much that I became something else!! The Will finds the Truth and together just as Nature they find a way. Always life finds a way.

Thank you for your plainness LeoR.
You are not trying to hide where you're coming from.
There is at least some nobility in that.

And I hate being one so much that I became something else!!

That speaks volumes, and is exactly what I meant by you being wounded.
You became something else.
But that is not who you are.
 

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Cease ad hominems.
 

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I will help. Was in a bit of a pinch and did not have time to create a proper post.

So you are one of those idiots that thinks he can discern everything from behind a computer screen?

This is an ad hominem. You can disagree as much as you like but don’t start name calling.

 

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I was once friends with someone who was a Reiki healer. When I asked what that was really about they said it was about channelling energies from "somewhere" into the body of the receiving person. When I asked what exactly were these energies, where do they come from, where did they originate, I got no answers. The person just said they were a chaneller, a conduit for that energy.

Because of this I never participated in a Reiki session. I said to the healer, if you don't understand the energy you are messing with, if you don't know where it comes from, what its nature is, how that nature manifests itself in a human body, then you're messing with things you can't comprehend and for all you know you might be chanelling really bad energy into someone.

There are times in our lives where we convince ourselves that we know something, that we can do something but in reality we don't really understand the full extent of what is happening. You might revel in the knowledge that you've somehow communicated with something or someone that isn't human, a ghost, a spirit, an entity. But if you don't know exactly what that thing is, where it came from, how to discern a right one from a wrong one, then you're messing with potential catastrophic dangers which is bad enough to do to oneself, but irresponsible to unleash on another person. Nothing I've read here convinces me that there is full understanding. All I see is the initial ego centred reaction to having done "something" and a desire to exploit that ability by leading others into that world whilst relieving people of money or other value along the way.

Here's a thing, when you know yourself, when you know what a human being is then you know that you are a totally vulnerable creature. A human can be easily cajoled, easily programmed with any ideology, any lie, any religion or any tribal tendency. That is what we are. We are dumb computer systems which any more intelligent entity or advanced human can program any way they wish.

How then can we hope to survive in this world given this innate catastrophic vulnerability?

In the end you must decide for yourself one or more core values to live by and then stick with them, whether they be right or wrong, good or bad.

Love is at the heart of my personal values of existence. An empathy, sympathy with my fellow humans who suffer the same vulnerabilities. If I can help my fellow human in any way then I will do so. I will give my time, my effort, my strength, my abilities, my compassion. I've saved many from taking the toxic Covid treatments. I've alerted many to the impending string of national emergencies and helped them understand how to prepare so they can cast off fear and survive the periods easily. I've taught people how to use natural remedies instead of toxic meds.

We are all different but this is me.

If I come across a powerful medicine and if I understand where that medicine comes from, how and why it does what it does, then I'll give it freely to others and if possible show them how to make it themselves. I will teach the man to fish for himself rather than just give him a fish. Then he can eat for the rest of his life instead of just for one day.

What use is power and knowledge if it's going to be used for self-aggrandisement and material gain and not acts of love and kindness?

Pointless in my world.
 

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Sure but I do not think it is wrong to charge for a service either.
 

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On one hand there is someone offering some teachings with certain conditions. This is for each individual to decide if it fits them or not. This being said, the better way to "advertise" one's work here is through a link in the signature line on this forum. People can just click and find out. All signature lines are also visible to visitors (non-members).

On the other hand, there are views that this kind of stuff should be unconditionally free. But we forget that this stuff IS already free.

To illustrate, I'll post a quote from my own website:

All information is, to a large extent, ‘free’, just like ‘the fish in the sea’. Upon acquiring paid content, you are not paying for the ‘fish in the sea’. You are paying for the labor of the fishermen/fisher-women, their tools, their boats, their experience, their time, and additionally for the packaging and for the delivery. The fish however, are always ‘free’. Everyone has the inalienable right to ‘go fishing’ and access ‘free’ information on their own, but not to lay claims of free entitlement to the fruits of the labor of the fishermen/fisher-women.

In short: If you don't like the merchant or merchandise, seek a different fishmonger. And if you don't like paying for fish, go fishing yourself. The information itself is always free, but we ALL pay for getting there, somehow, one way or another.
 

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I appreciate the sentiments @Andro.

The analogy isn't quite right though, imo.

Two fishermen are fishing by a river. One has caught 2 fish, the other has caught nothing.

The former is using a special bait he knows is effective here. The other is not.

What does it cost the former fisherman to pass the simple knowledge of the best type of bait to the other fisherman?

If he doesn't he's just reveling in the knowledge on an egotistical basis using that knowledge selfishly.

A simple act of kindness allows both fishermen to be successful

I'm assuming there's an endless supply of fish in this scenario. Enough for all.

In the final analysis, no single man can survive on his own. We are a species. The species can only survive if we share with each other and cease these petty power struggles and cease the dark side practice of constantly trying to be one up on everyone else.

And aside from all this, what does any man/woman who has successfully created the Stone, need with money? They have the power to generate as much silver, gold, gems they want. So anyone selling "stuff" in this respect very much hasn't achieved the Stone imho.
 

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And aside from all this, what does any man/woman who has successfully created the Stone, need with money? They have the power to generate as much silver, gold, gems they want. So anyone selling "stuff" in this respect very much hasn't achieved the Stone imho.
because nobody will take u seriously unless they have skin in the game too. Leo must have the stone I bet.