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So there is this rosary bead, or Betel, where God especially resides. And according to Mutus Liber quotes, a Heavenly Agent called Dew is needed to open it.

Maybe represented by Jacob (patient) being awakened by the Angels (agent).... sort of hammer/anvil couple. As per Aurea Catena Homeri.

The Niter symbol may stay there to show the descent of Odem Force when Jacob has been awoken..

That part has been solved with Saltpeter and Tartar. Just replace Antimony with Bethel stone in the old recipes and you are good to go.

Alfr asks which type of meteorite to choose from? Their chemical composition is always the same the difference is only in the proportions which result in different type of crystalization. Octahedrite are the best followed by hexahedrite and chondrites are the most common type and usually of poor quality and more of a stony nature.
 

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What makes vulgars antimony + Tartar + Niter holy/sacred, according to You, True Initiate?
 

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There is no Antimony involved! I said replace Antimony with Bethel stones and proceed as you normally would in the Dry path,
 

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But all dry path modus operandi of the ancients differ apparently from what Dujols started. Or where can we see such kind of practice? I dont recollect any
 

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SO Bethel stones ... IS IRON METEORITE OCTAHEDRITE
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octahedrite

VERY INTERSTING SO WHERE ARE A CONCRETE AND NOT A ONLY SIMBOLIC REFERENCE TRADIDIDIONAL OF THE REFERENCE ON IT METEORITE STONE
AND WHY ? METEORITE OCTAHEDRITE IT IS MEDIUN WHIT GODS SO THIS IT IS A ONE ONLY SAY SIMBOLIC ?
OR IT THIS ( IRON) METEORITE OCTAHEDRITE have one true and real effect TO BRING THANKS TO IT BY IT SIMPLE PRESENCE OF SOME PEICES OF METEORITE OCTAHEDRITE BRING at the connection whit gods ( EX similar deep state of connection wiht gods some experience vusion etc ) if one pray and made meditation whih one rosario and mala , or if ine stay to pray etc near onphalos or sacred lapidarirum ancient etc made whit it (IRON) METEORITE OCTAHEDRITE ?
Very thanks TP so we looking forward to seeing the other stuff you've promised us later. very thanks

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ABOUT THE VARIOUS BAETYLUS METEORITE SACRED STONE OF THE ANCIENT also SEE PHOTOS

The stone meteorite :
the BAETYLUS of Aphrodite Sanctuary of Cypro

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baetylus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanct...aepafos,_Cyprus_-_conical_stone_(cropped).jpg
 
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Thanks TI for sharing your thoughts and research on this.
Indeed, it's a fascinating angle.

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Alchemy was called The Holy Science by many authors but they never explained what makes it so Holy. ......
What are your thoughts?
IMO alchemy is one miracle (amoung many) made possible by the existance of HIM in this world.
In the simplest terms, HE acts a conduit between this world and the higher dimension/s.
It's the love/energy/light from the higher dimensions which we all perceive as being holy.

I absolutely love the stuff you've provided in this thread TI, because IMO bethel stones are a perfect physical metaphor for HIM.
What better metaphor for the bridge between this 3D world and the higher world/s than a rock which falls down to earth from heaven?
IMO, this is the reason why you've found so many religious references.

Here's another metaphor for the same (from within your own references):
"And he dreamed, and beheld, a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and beheld the angels of god ascending and descending on it."
Genesis 28:12
And another one which we're all familiar with (but I still adore):
where-heaven-and-earth-meet-1888-science-source.jpg

And of course, I'm looking forward to seeing the other stuff you've promised us later.
 
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But all dry path modus operandi of the ancients differ apparently from what Dujols started. Or where can we see such kind of practice? I dont recollect any

I set myself up for high expectations with this thread did i? Oh boy... The most difficult part for me will be to pull out all the tidbits of information from various books and articles of which i didn't kept a track so i need to look for them again. I don't know what Dujol was thinking his practice appears to be totally different from Canseliet and Fulcanelli. In the Dwellings of the Philosophers there are clear descriptions of the Dry Path as we know it:

Initiates know that our science, although purely natural and simple, is in no way vulgar; the terms we use, following the masters, are no less so. Please pay attention to them, since we have chosen them with care, with the intention of showing the way, of pointing out the potholes which pit it, thus hoping to enlighten the studious and to divert the blind, the greedy, and the unworthy. Learn, you who already know, that all our purifications are igneous, that all our purifications are made in fire, by fire, and with fire. This is the reason why some authors have described these operations under the chemical title of calcinations, because the matter, long subjected to the action of the flame, yields its impure scorched parts to it. Know also that our rock --- veiled in the form of the dragon --- at first allows a dark, evil-smelling, and poisonous liquid to flow, whose thick volatile smoke is extremely toxic. This water, symbolized by the crow, cannot be washed or whitened except by means of fire. This is what the philosophers gave us to understand when, in their enigmatic style, they recommend that the artist cuts off its head. By these fiery ablutions, the water discharges its black coloration and takes on a white color. The crow, decapitated, gives back its soul and loses its feathers. Thus fire, by its frequent reiterated action on water, forces the latter to better defend its specific qualities by abandoning its superfluities. The water contracts, tightens itself to resist Vulcan’s tyrannical influence; it is nourished by fire which aggregates its pure and homogeneous molecules, and finally it is coagulated into a dense corporeal mass, fiery to the extent that the flame remains powerless to further exalt it. For you, unknown brothers of the mysterious city of the sun, we have formed the resolution of teaching the diverse and successive modes of our purifications. You will be thankful to us, we are certain, to have pointed out to you these reefs of the hermetic sea, against which so many inexperienced Argonauts have been shipwrecked. If you want to possess the griffin --- which is our astral stone --- by tearing it from its arsenical ganque, take two parts of virgin earth, our scaly dragon, and one part of the igneous agent, which is that valiant knight armed with the lance and shield. [*152-1] (Ares), more vigorous than Aries, must be in a lesser quantity. Pulverize and add the fifteenth part of this pure, white, admirable salt, washed and crystallized several times, which you must necessarily know. Intimately mix it; and then, following the example of the painful Passion of Our Lord, crucify it with three iron nails, so that the body dies and can then be resurrected. This done, drive away the coarsest sediments from the corpse; crush and triturate the bones; mix the whole thing on a slow heat with a steel rod. Then throw into this mixture half of this second salt, extracted from the dew that fertilizes the earth in the month of May, and you will obtain a body clearer than the preceding one. Repeat the same technique three times; you will reach the matrix of our mercury, and you will have climbed the first rung of the ladder of the sages. When Jesus resurrected the third day after his death, a luminous angel clothed in white alone occupied the empty sepulcher... However, if it suffices to know the secret substance represented by the dragon in order to discover its antagonist, it is essential to know the means that sages employ in order to limit, to temper the excessive ardor of the belligerents. For want of a necessary mediator --- for which we have never found a symbolic interpretation --- the ignorant experimenter would be exposed to grave dangers. Anxious spectator of the drama which he would have imprudently unleashed, he could neither control its phases nor regulate its fury. Fiery projections, sometimes even brutal explosion of the furnace, would be the sad consequences of his temerity. This is why, aware of our responsibility, we urgently beseech those who do not possess this secret to abstain until then. They will thus avoid the fate of an unfortunate priest of the diocese of Avignon, about which the following notice briefly gives an account (2): "Abbot Chapaty thought to have discovered the philosophers’ stone but, unfortunately for him, the crucible burst asunder, the metal exploded against him, attached itself to his face, arms and clothes; he ran in this way along the Infirmaries Street, dragging himself in the gutters as though possessed, and he perished miserably burnt, like a damned person. 1706". When you perceive a noise resembling that of boiling water in the vessel --- a hollow rumbling of the earth, whose entrails fire is tearing out --- be ready to fight and maintain your composure. You will notice smoke and blue, green and violet flames accompanying a series of quick detonations. Once the effervescence has passed and calm has been restored, you will be able to enjoy a magnificent spectacle. On a sea of fire, solid islands form, float on the surface, moving slowly, taking and leaving an infinity of vivid colors; their surface puffs up, bursts in the center, causing them to resemble tiny volcanoes. Then they disappear, being replaced by pretty green transparent balls revolving quickly, hitting one another, and seeming to chase one another, in the midst of multicolored flames and the iridescent reflection of the incandescent bath..
 
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In order to understand ancient texts we need to learn their way of speaking and their way of thinking. The word Meteorites didn't exist in ancients times but they were called Baetylus stones, Omphalos stones, falling stars, fireballs, fiery chariot, shooting stars, light from heaven, flaming snakes, dragons, fallen angels, messenger from the god (mercury), fallen lucifer aka Satan etc.

https://www.ancient-origins.net/une...ck-stone-humanity-s-worship-meteorites-001901

On this same webpage there is a biblical account of Saul who became Apostle Paul after a vision of "Jesus" on the road to Damascus which resembles meteorite impact. Pay attention the words Paul uses in the Gospel.

https://www.ancient-origins.net/new...nge-course-christianity-2000-years-ago-002964

Compare this biblical account of Apostle Paul with the real sightings of meteorites impact:

 
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In order to understand ancient texts we need to learn their way of speaking and their way of thinking. The word Meteorites didn't exist in ancients times but they were called Baetylus stones, Omphalos stones, falling stars, fireballs, fiery chariot, shooting stars, light from heaven, flaming snakes, dragons, fallen angels, messenger from the god (mercury), fallen lucifer aka Satan etc.

https://www.ancient-origins.net/une...ck-stone-humanity-s-worship-meteorites-001901

On this same webpage there is a biblical account of Saul who became Apostle Paul after a vision of "Jesus" on the road to Damascus which resembles meteorite impact. Pay attention the words Paul uses in the Gospel.

https://www.ancient-origins.net/new...nge-course-christianity-2000-years-ago-002964

Compare this biblical account of Apostle Paul with the real sightings of meteorites impact:


So then....Satan and Christ for you are the same person? A meterorite?

Saul was struck blind by Jesus Christ from his throne in Heaven, while on the road to Damascus, he was the only one who heard and saw anything! He had been slaughtering families of the first Christians,for the Sanhedrin, it was no chance occurance...we said Saul....why do you persecute my people, you are persecuting me...I am Jesus. He then instructed him to go to a nearby town where an angel told Anaias to meet him there and restore his sight. He spent the rest of his life setting up communities of Christians throughout Rome and was eventually imprisoned by Nero where he wrote his letters.
 

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There is a difference between historical Jesus, biblical Jesus and Paul's vision of Jesus. In my mind they are 3 different things.
 

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From the book "Meteorite Nature and Culture" we have this description:

Mezzotint of the 1783 fireball seen from Winthorpe, Nottinghamshire,signed and captioned by Henry Robinson:‘This extraordinary Phœnomenon was of that Species of Meteor which the great Phisiologist Dr Woodward and others call the Dracovolansor Flying Dragon.’

 

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I set myself up for high expectations with this thread did i? Oh boy... The most difficult part for me will be to pull out all the tidbits of information from various books and articles of which i didn't kept a track so i need to look for them again. I don't know what Dujol was thinking his practice appears to be totally different from Canseliet and Fulcanelli. In the Dwellings of the Philosophers there are clear descriptions of the Dry Path as we know it:

Initiates know that our science, although purely natural and simple, is in no way vulgar; the terms we use, following the masters, are no less so. Please pay attention to them, since we have chosen them with care, with the intention of showing the way, of pointing out the potholes which pit it, thus hoping to enlighten the studious and to divert the blind, the greedy, and the unworthy. Learn, you who already know, that all our purifications are igneous, that all our purifications are made in fire, by fire, and with fire. This is the reason why some authors have described these operations under the chemical title of calcinations, because the matter, long subjected to the action of the flame, yields its impure scorched parts to it. Know also that our rock --- veiled in the form of the dragon --- at first allows a dark, evil-smelling, and poisonous liquid to flow, whose thick volatile smoke is extremely toxic. This water, symbolized by the crow, cannot be washed or whitened except by means of fire. This is what the philosophers gave us to understand when, in their enigmatic style, they recommend that the artist cuts off its head. By these fiery ablutions, the water discharges its black coloration and takes on a white color. The crow, decapitated, gives back its soul and loses its feathers. Thus fire, by its frequent reiterated action on water, forces the latter to better defend its specific qualities by abandoning its superfluities. The water contracts, tightens itself to resist Vulcan’s tyrannical influence; it is nourished by fire which aggregates its pure and homogeneous molecules, and finally it is coagulated into a dense corporeal mass, fiery to the extent that the flame remains powerless to further exalt it. For you, unknown brothers of the mysterious city of the sun, we have formed the resolution of teaching the diverse and successive modes of our purifications. You will be thankful to us, we are certain, to have pointed out to you these reefs of the hermetic sea, against which so many inexperienced Argonauts have been shipwrecked. If you want to possess the griffin --- which is our astral stone --- by tearing it from its arsenical ganque, take two parts of virgin earth, our scaly dragon, and one part of the igneous agent, which is that valiant knight armed with the lance and shield. [*152-1] (Ares), more vigorous than Aries, must be in a lesser quantity. Pulverize and add the fifteenth part of this pure, white, admirable salt, washed and crystallized several times, which you must necessarily know. Intimately mix it; and then, following the example of the painful Passion of Our Lord, crucify it with three iron nails, so that the body dies and can then be resurrected. This done, drive away the coarsest sediments from the corpse; crush and triturate the bones; mix the whole thing on a slow heat with a steel rod. Then throw into this mixture half of this second salt, extracted from the dew that fertilizes the earth in the month of May, and you will obtain a body clearer than the preceding one. Repeat the same technique three times; you will reach the matrix of our mercury, and you will have climbed the first rung of the ladder of the sages. When Jesus resurrected the third day after his death, a luminous angel clothed in white alone occupied the empty sepulcher... However, if it suffices to know the secret substance represented by the dragon in order to discover its antagonist, it is essential to know the means that sages employ in order to limit, to temper the excessive ardor of the belligerents. For want of a necessary mediator --- for which we have never found a symbolic interpretation --- the ignorant experimenter would be exposed to grave dangers. Anxious spectator of the drama which he would have imprudently unleashed, he could neither control its phases nor regulate its fury. Fiery projections, sometimes even brutal explosion of the furnace, would be the sad consequences of his temerity. This is why, aware of our responsibility, we urgently beseech those who do not possess this secret to abstain until then. They will thus avoid the fate of an unfortunate priest of the diocese of Avignon, about which the following notice briefly gives an account (2): "Abbot Chapaty thought to have discovered the philosophers’ stone but, unfortunately for him, the crucible burst asunder, the metal exploded against him, attached itself to his face, arms and clothes; he ran in this way along the Infirmaries Street, dragging himself in the gutters as though possessed, and he perished miserably burnt, like a damned person. 1706". When you perceive a noise resembling that of boiling water in the vessel --- a hollow rumbling of the earth, whose entrails fire is tearing out --- be ready to fight and maintain your composure. You will notice smoke and blue, green and violet flames accompanying a series of quick detonations. Once the effervescence has passed and calm has been restored, you will be able to enjoy a magnificent spectacle. On a sea of fire, solid islands form, float on the surface, moving slowly, taking and leaving an infinity of vivid colors; their surface puffs up, bursts in the center, causing them to resemble tiny volcanoes. Then they disappear, being replaced by pretty green transparent balls revolving quickly, hitting one another, and seeming to chase one another, in the midst of multicolored flames and the iridescent reflection of the incandescent bath..

Hi, sorry if I make it all more difficult!! :D

This passage is a modern one, 1920's or so. And it seems that it describes one of the most common operations in spagiry, so I am thinking what's the difference now? Is the second work exactly as Canseliet says? Because I never heard of such path among the Ancients.
See Tholde, Thesaurum, Maria Profetissa, Lully Clavicle, etc... they all very much different processes/way of thinking...
I'm sorry for the question but I think it is an important point to think about. At least to me.

Because it is difficult to read hermetic works, the same simple symbol may mean so many different things, depending on the point of view, perspective, context one puts it in, and so on.

The only example that flashes to my mind is the "12 Keys of Philosophy" by Valentine or perhaps by Tholle, where we could interpret it in Canseliet's/Alleau's way. But it is not obvious, as much as Tolle in his Coelum Chimicum gives an interpretation of the king eaten by the wolf being gold calcination. And the Mercurial solvent of the 2 fighters being a peculiar solvent made by acqua Fortis mixed with alcohol (extremely dangerous btw)... so the only pliable source could have been something else.

Anyway it would be indeed intriguing to try the metheors in a dry way...

PS I'm not excluding Dujols path or such, but I think it is more modern perspective on the antimony/arsenical etc works. I also think that the possible outcome be alchemical, but not complete, aka they not come to complete stone, but just to a point material.
 

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The old path was described through the myths of a hero fighting the dragon. I don't think there any old recipes in alchemy dealing with that subject openly. Just above your post i gave an example of meteorite being called a flying dragon.
 

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In every ancient culture you look meteorites were worshiped as gift from gods or gods residing in them. Even in Egypt!

https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/ancient-egyptians-believed-sky-was-an-iron-orb

https://www.nature.com/news/iron-in-egyptian-relics-came-from-space-1.13091

“The Pyramid Texts continuously refer to the opening of the iron (calling it by its name, bjA), and its separation from the sky,” she said. “This is a clear metaphor for the opening of the Primeval Egg which the king needs to break in order to reverse the natural order birth-death and be reborn. The sky is an iron container, but it is also Nut’s womb and an egg. A split egg takes an oval shape that resembles the N 41 sign, like a container. It had a recurrent association between opening and regeneration and creation, such as in the Opening of the Mouth ceremony, or the primeval separation between earth and sky.”

 

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Interesting topic!

I’m a fan of meteorites, and have 4 of them. Well, technically 3 (two iron and one stony-iron). The 4th is a tektite (moldavite) which is created from a meteorite impact. It’s interesting that the moldavite variety takes on an emerald-green, glassy form.

They’ve made good meditation stones!

Moldavite

Apparently, according to the wiki page, after a meteorite impacts and projects molten/hot debri into the air, it cools and one of the things formed is a Moldavite.

The relationship to forming in the air is interesting!
 

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Have you tried putting the meteorite on the bottom of your spinal column? I heard that you need to magnetize them first in order for kundalini energy to awaken inside your spine but try them first as they are without magnetism.

I am talking about this text:


 

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I have not. I’ve laid them on my heart, as well as with them in my hands, and have slept with them under my pillow. I have never magnetized them, but it sounds like an interesting experiment. I’ll try it when I have time.

Meditating with them in the way I have has been enough to increase energy flow and produce dreams, even without magnetization. Interesting enough the dreams have all been astra-physics related, such as the mathematics behind planetary orbits. Most of the dreams have been way over my head haha.

The article you posted, referencing the use of a male and female magnet held in the hands, reminds me of the pharaoh’s rods, or Egyptian healing rods: https://egyptianhealingrods.com/

And speaking of magnets and magnetization, another interesting experience of mine has been while meditating with a magnet during the springtime, while the head is pointing North and the feet South and aligning the magnet the same. A bit off topic but related to your interests, TI.
 

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Im not sure what you are getting at...I suppose you are lighting on the quality of that stone, not sure what it is....


But when we really believe in God we dont need to pray the same thing over and over again to be heard. In fact God already knows what we need and knows our minds and everything we do in secret. That is why Christ says:



There is already a "stone" inside you that gives life to all, regardless of your belief. It happens when you draw air as ICH states. Fulcanelli often said..."provided one believes" This is because we all have free will, that is how much we are all loved as the sun rises on the wicked and the righteous alike. Christ says the Father doesnt see one person as better than the next, in fact all must repent!
That is called being self righteous but only God can make you righteous, it is the quality of The Holy Spirit to convict us of our sins.

Let the spirit fall like dew on your words.
 

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Alchemy was called The Holy Science by many authors but they never explained what makes it so Holy. What's the difference between common and philosophical, profane and holy? Is it the choice of the right first matter, it's heavenly nature and origin, the prayer before starting the Great Work? Is there anything Holy below the surface of the earth from whence most so-called alchemists choose their own matter?

What are your thoughts?
I have shared my own thoughts on this in other posts.

First of all, we must keep in mind that Alchemy was not the only science referred to as holy. Metaphysics also earned that title, some great philosophers even calling it the Angelic Science. Why? Because it is the science which provides the blueprint and prototype of every other science. It is the science which provides the principles upon which every other science is based, as it deals with the most general of generalities; those categories of things upon which every other object of every "lower" science is based upon. Categories such as existence: everything has existence. Thus, the science which deals with these generalities deserves to be called the Queen of the Sciences, the Holy Science, and so on.

Now even Alchemy is based upon the general categories studied in Metaphysics. In particular, the scope of Metaphysics includes Divinity (Theology), whereas Alchemy does not. But here lies the interesting part. Whilst Alchemy does not approach the study of God through metaphysics (that which is not connected to matter, ie abstractness itself or one could also say "intellect"), it does approach it through nature. And this is what makes Alchemy holy. Yes, it is a natural science - which is based upon metaphysics, thus being "lower" than the latter in that sense - but it is also a science which is special because it studies perfection itself. In particular, it is a branch of natural science which was known by the name Generation & Corruption, studying how things come to be and pass away. We must keep in mind that this was a branch of science as respected and genuine as say electromagnetism is today. What Alchemy does is to offer us true, experimental knowledge of this branch of natural philosophy. And since this is the branch of natural philosophy which studies perfection, then Alchemy is the study of perfection in nature. (Of course, later on, by the efforts of the great scientists, we have also acquired experimental knowledge of other branches of ancient natural philosophy, such as mechanics and electromagnetism; all that remains really for us to be able to say we have surpassed the ancients in science is for Alchemy to be encoded into mathematical language.)

So it is Holy because perfection is from God. Only God is perfect and only what is perfect can give perfection. So the perfection of things, how they evolve into beautiful objects which are perfect in their own sphere, how a tree puts out branches, leaves and finally bears fruit; all of these are from God. Also, interestingly in the Qur'an one seldom finds a verse which talks about how fruits come from from the ground without being in the first person. In fact, even if the whole discourse is in the third person, as soon as the part about fruits coming forth comes, the narrative switches to the first person, almost as if telling us that this aspect of nature is closest to God. Indeed, it is also the aspect which makes the spiritual path possible inwardly, hence the "alchemy of happiness" of the sufis and modern "spiritual alchemy" (not to mention Jung of course).

I referred in one of my previous posts to another reason why Alchemy is holy. In my opinion this is not so much because of its subject matter, which in my opinion is as easy to learn as gardening if taught openly. All it is is planting something in a soil and seeing it grow, as well as the purification which comes before. What makes it holy is how it is learnt. Because it is hidden, one has to learn it by dint of their own intellectual efforts. This leads to a kind of circulation of the intellect itself, as it goes back and forth from the "outward" observation (whether in reading external sources, such as books, or in observing and learning from experiments), to the inward meditation which is the core of the matter and is where one connects the dots by one's own efforts of mind. One needs to periodically sit in a dark spot after reading the books etc and simply reflect and meditate on the words of the alchemists, the experiments, and so on. This is the circulation of spirituality, not Alchemy. The outward circulation done in a flask is that of Alchemy. And by reiteration, the intellect becomes lucid and shiny bright like star. It also acquires a power of penetration into the heart, which is the "ground" of spirituality. So by the method required to learn Alchemy, the alchemist is brought as it were to the shore of the spiritual path. No other science brings the intellect into motion as much as Alchemy, except mathematics and metaphysics if approached in the right way (ie not merely memorizing propositions, but actually solving problems on one's own). This then brings us to the whole other topic of the Platonic spiritual path as opposed to the Hermetic path of nature.
 

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Thanks for opening the thread again. I am not sure why it was closed in the first place but that's ok.

On my smartphone version of the site the moderator’s “close thread” button is very close to the “submit reply” button, and sometimes it is selected along with the reply. We usually catch it much faster for other accidentally closed threads.

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But moving on.

My question for the thread is, if meteorites are indeed the starting matter, why is it that many books state that the starting matter can be found everywhere and is of a vile nature? That certainly doesn’t remind me of meteorites..
 

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My question for the thread is, if meteorites are indeed the starting matter, why is it that many books state that the starting matter can be found everywhere and is of a vile nature? That certainly doesn’t remind me of meteorites..

Much depends on the location of the said authors. If they lived near the deserts like in Arabia or Egypt they were truly everywhere.


Here are the statistics:

https://sites.wustl.edu/meteoritesite/items/some-meteorite-statistics/

In former times nobody paid any attention to them because most people didn't believe in falling rocks from heaven, it sounded far fetched to them. On the subject of being vile i mean just look at them! They have a black fusion crust like a eggshell which stains the fingers also they stink! Their interior is of light grey colour all flaky and crumbly.

From one book of Canseliet there was a picture of a desert with dead bulls head and a black rock lying on the sand in the right corner of the picture. If somebody knows what i am talking about please post this picture in this thread.

 
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Kiorionis

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Interesting about the fusion crust.

I think I know the image you’re talking about. I can’t seem to find it though.
 

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Alchemy was called The Holy Science by many authors but they never explained what makes it so Holy. What's the difference between common and philosophical, profane and holy? Is it the choice of the right first matter, it's heavenly nature and origin, the prayer before starting the Great Work? Is there anything Holy below the surface of the earth from whence most so-called alchemists choose their own matter?

What are your thoughts?

It's called the Holy Science because only a man of great virtue can complete the work.
The penitent man shall pass!