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AF Code of Conduct: An Attempt to Refine, Clarify & Rectify

Andro

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The various "claims" in and of themselves are not the issue here.

What's "problematic" is not the sharing of your own Alchemical journey (which I'd like to believe you're doing in an honest manner, at least from your POV), but the incessant need and compulsion to pontificate and to jump in on various threads and "correct" other people and "grade their performance" based on aforementioned "claims". We all have our own journeys.

For example, posting and using in debates things such as:

My Mentor is the Ouroboros, the Alpha and Omega, the All Knowing, the All, from whence we came we shall return and the Divine Light are just a few of His names.
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It would appear that the "All Knowing" does not share your opinion.

is not the most constructive M.O. to put it mildly. It's one of the most common Logical Fallacies: Appeal to Authority. Such fallacies are ultimately fatally toxic to any debate or exchange, online or IRL.

Please avoid this as best you can, for more harmonious and coherent exchanges in the future.

Only after dropping the needless and unsolicited "corrections", pontifications and general grandstanding, we may all be able to realize we likely have more in common than not.

Thank you.

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I'm ordering all of you to back the **** off @Black.

Stop ganging up on him :mad::mad:

hahaha im kidding im not mad hehehe but yeah, why are you all huddling up around him?

You think you are more right because you have the numbers? You want to know the ratio between an occultist and the masses that say occult is superstitious hocus pocus and not real? We must assume the masses are more wise than the scientist if we are to consider these numbers!

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Remember what I said in one of my other posts when responding to @Seth-Ra?

If you don't like what someone is saying/asserting you can turn a blind eye and ignore it!

@Seth-Ra argued that myself and @Black could do the same. However, recognize the spirit that is driving both of us which may or may not be the same. Are we being unfriendly? Disrespectful? Maybe some of us are in the mood to debate, argue, challenge others but in good spirits!!!! please let us love each other please
 

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I'm ordering all of you to back the **** off @Black.

Stop ganging up on him :mad::mad:

hahaha im kidding im not mad hehehe but yeah, why are you all huddling up around him?

No one is "ganging up" on anyone. We are having discussions with him. Some are questioning and critiquing his claims. I specifically am rebutting his authoritarianism that he's spread all over the forum like a crusader on a rampage over the last few months (in a civil manner, on both our parts, as far as I can tell.)


You think you are more right because you have the numbers? You want to know the ratio between an occultist and the masses that say occult is superstitious hocus pocus and not real? We must assume the masses are more wise than the scientist if we are to consider these numbers!

The above is nonsensical.
There is not a mob-rule or numbers game at play here. Andro and I, for example, have many disagreements, and have over the years, but are friends and agree on much of the Arcanum itself, despite difference of lenses through which we view it or paths we tread to approach it. If anything, such is my point to Black; there is more than one way to reach the Stone.
Likewise, the views of the ignorant masses, who believe MSM and spend their days chasing soap operas and gossip, are of worthless weight. Besides, even in your analogy, you're wrong. Only is the relatively recent West full of atheists in any large numbers. The rest of the world, and that of humanity throughout the ages, has believed in the supernatural and the role of priests/occultists/magi/alchemists.


Remember what I said in one of my other posts when responding to @Seth-Ra?

If you don't like what someone is saying/asserting you can turn a blind eye and ignore it!

@Seth-Ra argued that myself and @Black could do the same. However, recognize the spirit that is driving both of us which may or may not be the same. Are we being unfriendly? Disrespectful? Maybe some of us are in the mood to debate, argue, challenge others but in good spirits!!!! please let us love each other please

If you read what I last said in my above post to Black, I am not at all trying to fight with him, but we are in a discussion and banter on the nature of things. By all means, turn the blind eye if you want. We clearly are not, and since you post as well, neither are you. :)
So if you're not gonna swallow your own medicine - why expect us to? :p
Discussion and/or debate is my medicine, so let's get to it.

Have you anything constructive to offer to the discussion beyond distraction and calls to silence it? :)



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Seth, black is so full of shit. He just making it up at this point.

Two paths to quintenssence?

If you read carefully he didnt explain shit, just bolded his words.
 

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Listening to you guys arguing always improves my day :eek:
 

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My dear friend Andro has said more without a word than I should dare to refute with them.
I agree with the art, and will resume silence. :)
Ora et labora.


Kyrie eleison.
 

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Hi tAlchemist


Thank you for these most special quotes tAlchemist, it is music to my soul that some members actually go to the trouble of reading Alchemic texts.

On the other hand I am appalled at the extremely high level of Alchemic illiteracy on this forum.

The meaning of illiteracy = lack of knowledge in a particular subject; ignorance.

One of the forums long term members commented to me recently that he felt a number of the members "just wanted it all handed to them on a plate".

He may well be correct. :D

There's nothing really alchemical about this forum to be honest, a whole lot of seekers but not many I can see who are necessarily ''worthy'' and I've expressed my opinion on what unworthiness means, which is people who have as you say ''alchemic illiteracy'' which is why I was seeking an in-depth and open discussion with you where all can see. If we understand the philosophy then our discussion should harmonize with each other.

Chasm369, Pneumatician, Schmuldvich are banned, and Kriztian, you and myself seem to be the only ones I can recognize to be the ones left that can show congruent alchemical understanding. I'm sure others are around but they seem silent. I think Andro understands some of the philosophy but I can't quite tell if he's able to translate the philosophy into the authentic practical lab work and not the random mish mashing that some members are so very much into.

You mentioned music to your soul, it's music to my soul when you talk about alchemy. I read a lot of your posts and appreciate them.
 

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On the other hand I am appalled at the extremely high level of Alchemic illiteracy on this forum.

There's nothing really alchemical about this forum to be honest, a whole lot of seekers but not many I can see who are necessarily ''worthy''.

Check your ego boys.

Chasm369, Pneumatician, Schmuldvich are banned, and Kriztian, you and myself seem to be the only ones I can recognize to be the ones left that can show congruent alchemical understanding.

Isn't it also interesting that the people claimed to be skilled in alchemy (according to you) are also unable to follow simple "rules & guidelines"? Seems to me Master Alchemists are also illiterate.

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Check your ego boys.



Isn't it also interesting that the people claimed to be skilled in alchemy (according to you) are also unable to follow simple "rules & guidelines"? Seems to me Master Alchemists are also illiterate.

:p

I don't think @Black's Ego is at play and mine is definitely not! Being open and sharing our truths seems to trigger you right now Awani. You tell us to check our Egos because we personally don't find any congruence with what other members are doing and their connections to the texts? It seems presumptuous.

Isn't it also interesting that the people claimed to be skilled in alchemy (according to you) are also unable to follow simple "rules & guidelines"? Seems to me Master Alchemists are also illiterate.

Right. ''Seems''. Not everything is what it seems. Is the idea totally lost on you that some people just don't care to follow your rules and guidelines any longer rather than being unable to do so? I think one of the members I listed said himself that he read the rules and decided he didn't want to follow them. Where is the illiteracy? lol
 
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You and Black havent showed any of your work. You just repeat the most basic understanding of practical alchemy like you are authorities like the old masters.
Its larping. Not one of you have mentioned technicalites to do with different paths, eg Oil into Gumm into Stone. You provide no photos, no explaination of your work, yet condecend other posters who know and do far more than you.
DragonTail for example. You show no real understanding of alchemy just repeat the basic understanding of it.
Can you tell me in what kind of fire elements meet?
Can you tell me if greenish comes before or after white?
Can you tell me what the worms are?
Can you tell me anything about the art of coins?

You and black are larpers. You will deflect and boast. Grandstand like you have experience.

Go on show AF, your wisdom. Wow us with your practical alchemical knowledge.
 

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You and Black havent showed any of your work. You just repeat the most basic understanding of practical alchemy like you are authorities like the old masters.
Its larping. Not one of you have mentioned technicalites to do with different paths, eg Oil into Gumm into Stone. You provide no photos, no explaination of your work, yet condecend other posters who know and do far more than you.
DragonTail for example. You show no real understanding of alchemy just repeat the basic understanding of it.
Can you tell me in what kind of fire elements meet?
Can you tell me if greenish comes before or after white?
Can you tell me what the worms are?
Can you tell me anything about the art of coins?

You and black are larpers. You will deflect and boast. Grandstand like you have experience.

Go on show AF, your wisdom. Wow us with your practical alchemical knowledge.

What would you need from either Black or myself, that would be suffice for you? When have I ever deflected anything on this forum before why say that I will?

Lately Kibric, you've been talking in just this same manner with @Black. It might not be clear to others, but to me it seems abundantly clear that you've got some issues that are leaving you feeling far from at peace in the mind. Months ago you said the wise don't care, but you seem to be unable to NOT care about things you don't like regarding what people are saying on a public forum. I on the other hand, love talking, I talk a lot!
 

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There's nothing really alchemical about this forum to be honest, a whole lot of seekers but not many I can see who are necessarily ''worthy'' and I've expressed my opinion on what unworthiness means, which is people who have as you say ''alchemic illiteracy'' which is why I was seeking an in-depth and open discussion with you where all can see. If we understand the philosophy then our discussion should harmonize with each other.
This quote if full of ego.
What gives you the right to determine what or who is worthy?
Alchemical literacy is all you provide. You offer nothing else other than the same understanding anyone can read in a text.
No experiments, no detailed descriptions from practical observations, no technicalites of the work or path.
No mention of why a concave base is better for circulation.
You show no expert knowledge or understanding, if you are going to speak with authority about who is worthy, you have to back up your position with tangilbe evidence of your expertise on the subject. Quotes from dead men are not it. Bolding alchemical words is not it.
There are proffesionals on this forum, the larpers cant answers my questions off the tops of their heads.
JDP was a prickly pear but at least he did practical work, and throughly dissected texts. Even though we clashed I knew he took alchemy seriously.

Stop with the I know all nonsense. No one does. I dont. Andro doesnt. Its tiresome.
 

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This quote if full of ego.
What gives you the right to determine what or who is worthy?
Alchemical literacy is all you provide. You offer nothing else other than the same understanding anyone can read in a text.
No experiments, no detailed descriptions from practical observations, no technicalites of the work or path.
No mention of why a concave base is better for circulation.
You show no expert knowledge or understanding, if you are going to speak with authority about who is worthy, you have to back up your position with tangilbe evidence of your expertise on the subject. Quotes from dead men are not it. Bolding alchemical words is not it.
There are proffesionals on this forum, the larpers cant answers my questions off the tops of their heads.
JDP was a prickly pear but at least he did practical work, and throughly dissected texts. Even though we clashed I knew he took alchemy seriously.

Stop with the I know all nonsense. No one does. I dont. Andro doesnt. Its tiresome.

No, the quote is not full of Ego. Your Ego is the one at play here Kibric. You're triggered, and it's natural. I can relate with this feeling.

I told Black on a other post (or was it this one...) and Black said it himself, Chemistry tests results would show up the same in other labs, as it would with alchemy, Spiritus Mundi is Spiritus Mundi, wouldn't show up differently in other labs and here I am stating that if we understand the philosophy, then our conversation should harmonize, because if it doesn't harmonize, then there might be some sort of inconsistency with our understandings of the Art.
 

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Being open and sharing our truths seems to trigger you right now Awani.

Don't imagine things I never said. Why is it that passive aggressive insults are always viewed as truths by the practitioner?

appalled at the extremely high level of Alchemic illiteracy
not many I can see who are necessarily ''worthy''

There are many more, but that is good enough for now... these statements are not truths, more ego... as if you are worthy or literate. No one said you aren't worthy, but no one said you are worthy. If you google wisdom and silence and speech you'll find a ton of proverbs that deal with these matters. Historically, and we've been around a long time now, those that threaten, harass, make personal attacks are also those that believe they are the best. Seems to be a pattern as far as I'm concerned.

Is the idea totally lost on you that some people just don't care to follow your rules and guidelines any longer rather than being unable to do so?
The following is an absolute NO (either in posts or private messages):
- Threats
- Harrassments
- Flaming
- Spamming
- Trolling & Thread Hijacking
- Personal attacks
- Posting private/restricted information without explicit permission from the other involved party/parties, such as (but not limited to) actual names, phone numbers, addresses (physical, email, skype, etc...), private correspondences and documents.

If people don't care to follow above rules they are not welcome. This is not a democracy.

I think one of the members I listed said himself that he read the rules and decided he didn't want to follow them.

Which is why he is probably banned.

You're triggered...

You keep saying this, which means you are probably triggered or you wouldn't try and defend yourself. Another perspective could be that if someone is triggered by something you've said, and if you want a peaceful world, maybe reflect on why they would feel that. Maybe you are wrong... not when it concerns alchemical wisdom, but when it concerns "how" such wisdom is presented. Examples:

"Based on my work X is Y."
"X is Y and that is the truth, if you can't see that you're not smart enough..."

Judging others intelligence or knowledge or claiming worthiness for some and not others are not signs of someone neither wise nor worthy of anything. We all do those things, but in a forum one can always read a post before posting and also edit it afterwards. There is a bigger opportunity to make posts more "neutral" when it concerns other members here in the forum. The rules and guidelines you seem to think are meaningless are there for a reason. To make this a safe place to say ANYTHING. Problem is people that are banned or warned often think it is WHAT is being said that is the issue, as if we disagree with the IDEA... we don't... it is HOW something is said... especially if it is a comment on others. WHAT is only an issue if it is a personal attack or threat of course, but then that is the issue not the "wisdom" being discussed that led to that attack.

We do not ban or warn due to an "idea". If that was the case a bunch of threads would be deleted. This claim that we ban ideas is made on a regular basis and it is 100 % false. We ban because the individual with an idea is acting like an ass toward others.

then our conversation should harmonize, because if it doesn't harmonize, then there might be some sort of inconsistency with our understandings of the Art.

Perhaps. But this "understanding" doesn't imply "your teams" understanding is the correct one.

Due to the fact we do not hear our voices, we only read our words, misunderstandings can easily happen... the "tone" of a post can easily be lost which is why the "rules" are important and why a little humility when speaking about others is required. If I say in a joking tone with a smile "ya'll fucking nuts" then you might find it funny... but if you read "you are all fucking nuts" you might feel insulted... i.e. perhaps not write that.

We will remove these OT posts shortly.

:p
 
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Ego shemego.

It's actually very simple:

- Be kind and respectful to one another even if you disagree with them.
- Don't be preachy and don't practice grandstanding. Don't serially "correct" people and don't "grade their performance". These practices are a a subset of trolling.
- Don't hijack every other thread where you believe/assume someone is "wrong". That "someone" may just as well be on to something that hasn't occurred to you just yet.
- Don't harass, slander or badmouth other members on this forum, neither publicly nor in private messages.
- Don't talk about banned members. They're not here to reply, comment or defend themselves.
- Don't assume others are less knowledgeable or proficient just because their views & practices are different from yours. Conversely, don't assume that your own views and practices are infallible or "the only way".
- Do your best to avoid "assuming" stuff altogether.
- Adhere to all of the above, and especially to this forum's Rules & Guidelines. If you don't agree with them or don't intend to follow them, either don't apply to join, or don't post, or be prepared to get banned.
- Remember that no one gets banned for their ideas, only for shitty behavior. Exceptions to this are '"ideas" that include bigotry, racism, homophobia, misogyny, etc., because they are a form of collective harassment towards certain segments of the forum's membership.

Not very complicated.
 

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Ego shemego.

It's actually very simple:

- Be kind and respectful to one another even if you disagree with them.
- Don't be preachy and don't practice grandstanding. Don't serially "correct" people and don't "grade their performance". These practices are a a subset of trolling.
- Don't hijack every other thread where you believe/assume someone is "wrong". That "someone" may just as well be on to something that hasn't occurred to you just yet.
- Don't harass, slander or badmouth other members on this forum, neither publicly nor in private messages.
- Don't talk about banned members. They're not here to reply, comment or defend themselves.
- Don't assume others are less knowledgeable or proficient just because their views & practices are different from yours. Conversely, don't assume that your own views and practices are infallible or "the only way".
- Do your best to avoid "assuming" stuff altogether.
- Adhere to all of the above, and especially to this forum's Rules & Guidelines. If you don't agree with them or don't intend to follow them, either don't apply to join, or don't post, or be prepared to get banned.
- Remember that no one gets banned for their ideas, only for shitty behavior. Exceptions to this are '"ideas" that include bigotry, racism, homophobia, misogyny, etc., because they are a form of collective harassment towards certain segments of the forum's membership.

Not very complicated.
Thank you for this Andro.

I do hope that ALL of us can adhere to the above.

I will print this out, frame it, hang it on the wall next to the PC and read it every time before making or replying to a post. :D
 

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I will print this out, frame it, hang it on the wall next to the PC and read it every time before making or replying to a post. :D

Even though you're being sarcastic, framing and hanging on the wall is overkill. It's just basic commons sense for interacting in a community.

If anyone has to frame it and hang it on the wall, then some very basic & elementary lessons concerning human interactions still need to be internalized.

We all make mistakes sometimes, but repeating those very same mistakes over and over again can quickly become problematic and even incendiary. So don't blame the fire department whenever this occurs :)

(and also don't blame people for defending themselves when trolled or harassed or marginalized or talked down to)

This place is far from "perfect", just like people are far from "perfect". But it's a nice platform for having some most excellent exchanges. It's also what its members make of it.

This site survived for almost 15 years while other similar sites either disappeared completely or became total troll-farming cacophonies. So there's a sort of lesson in that as well.
 

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Without any sarcasm, I totally share your sentiments. :)
If that's the case, I apologize and I thank you for understanding.
 

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Don't imagine things I never said. Why is it that passive aggressive insults are always viewed as truths by the practitioner?

I don't know what I'm imagining here, but just like you, I'm sharing what things seem on my end.

these statements are not truths, more ego... as if you are worthy or literate. No one said you aren't worthy, but no one said you are worthy.

They are my truths about how I perceive this forum to be anything but alchemical, and you assume just like Kibric that my Ego is at play for saying this, and it seems its because you and Kibric don't particularly like what is being said, which is why I said that it seems presumptuous. I let people know through my posts that they are none other than opinions.

I'm open to discussion and I expect to be challenged. I want to challenge others, when they draw their assertions on what is alchemical and what is not.
I put myself open to criticism, open to being challenged, open to show that I'm wrong, It's what I'm looking for. Stating my stance clear, it is not Ego trying to make me feel ''better'' than others.


If people don't care to follow above rules they are not welcome. This is not a democracy.

Yes, and I appreciate warnings, because sometimes I get carried away. I don't think your rules are meaningless Awani, but you mentioned how my friends are seemingly illiterate so I spoke up and said that instead of being illiterate perhaps they don't care about following the rules, not that they are illiterate because if you read some of their posts, they clearly are VERY literate and informed on the alchemical phiilosophy.

You keep saying this, which means you are probably triggered or you wouldn't try and defend yourself. Another perspective could be that if someone is triggered by something you've said, and if you want a peaceful world, maybe reflect on why they would feel that. Maybe you are wrong... not when it concerns alchemical wisdom, but when it concerns "how" such wisdom is presented. Examples:

"Based on my work X is Y."
"X is Y and that is the truth, if you can't see that you're not smart enough..."

I've never said anybody isn't smart enough. I mentioned on this forum that my understanding of the philosophy can be translated from alchemy, to magic, to ones own self. I can even present my understanding of philosophy and give a walk through on how one can translate the understanding to themselves, but for the practical lab work I'm not at a stage where I feel comfortable sharing right now but even so, just like philosophy and then translating it over to myself, I'm seeing the same thing happen in a flask. It's not that I feel anybody isn't smart enough, I just fail to see any consistencies with most of the talk about alchemy lately which is why I said that there's nothing really alchemical about this forum, this is how I truly perceive things.

Discussion about philosophy, what's alchemy and what isn't is what I'd really like to discuss, and eventually, my Work. The reason why it's taking so long is akin to an Oak Tree which I will use as an example;

An oak tree takes a long time to grow. So it is with my Work. If it can be done which I don't think it can, then I don't know how to make it grow faster, all I'm doing with my Work right now is waiting patiently for the Matter to develop. I cannot make an Oak Tree, or my Matter grow faster than its own design. I'm saying this right now because there was a mention about how I haven't showed my work which I disagree, although I haven't showed it on this forum, the preparations were shown on another, and I don't like sharing these photos because I think it shows too much.


Judging others intelligence or knowledge or claiming worthiness for some and not others are not signs of someone neither wise nor worthy of anything. We all do those things, but in a forum one can always read a post before posting and also edit it afterwards. There is a bigger opportunity to make posts more "neutral" when it concerns other members here in the forum. The rules and guidelines you seem to think are meaningless are there for a reason. To make this a safe place to say ANYTHING. Problem is people that are banned or warned often think it is WHAT is being said that is the issue, as if we disagree with the IDEA... we don't... it is HOW something is said... especially if it is a comment on others. WHAT is only an issue if it is a personal attack or threat of course, but then that is the issue not the "wisdom" being discussed that led to that attack.

We do not ban or warn due to an "idea". If that was the case a bunch of threads would be deleted. This claim that we ban ideas is made on a regular basis and it is 100 % false. We ban because the individual with an idea is acting like an ass toward others.

Due to the fact we do not hear our voices, we only read our words, misunderstandings can easily happen... the "tone" of a post can easily be lost which is why the "rules" are important and why a little humility when speaking about others is required. If I say in a joking tone with a smile "ya'll fucking nuts" then you might find it funny... but if you read "you are all fucking nuts" you might feel insulted... i.e. perhaps not write that.

You make fair points Awani. It is never my intent to be an ass towards others, and if someone feels that I am I hope they can let me know which is what you said by PMing me yesterday, so that whatever it is that I'm doing that's bothering them can be stopped. Sometimes, just letting me know is enough, like the warning I got in my PMs yesterday about my ''trolling'', ''harassment'', and ''slander'' which I wasn't even aware of.

Perhaps. But this "understanding" doesn't imply "your teams" understanding is the correct one.

I asked Kibric and of course he doesn't respond, he asks questions of me that I know will never be enough for him so I did not bother answering any of them, questions like whether green comes before or after the white, it will only lead to more questions which he admitted he is tired of, leading to possibly more frustrations on his part... So I'll ask you; Without exposing the secrets of alchemy and putting ones own self at risk, how does one (for you) provide understanding that would be generally seen as the correct understanding? What am I currently doing that you feel is not the correct approach, and how should I approach the topic that could show that it is the ''correct'' understanding without putting me at risk or the secrets of alchemy at risk? I've thought that discussions on the philosophy and relating it back to the texts would be suffice.
 

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Ego shemego.

It's actually very simple:

- Be kind and respectful to one another even if you disagree with them.
- Don't be preachy and don't practice grandstanding. Don't serially "correct" people and don't "grade their performance". These practices are a a subset of trolling.
- Don't hijack every other thread where you believe/assume someone is "wrong". That "someone" may just as well be on to something that hasn't occurred to you just yet.
- Don't harass, slander or badmouth other members on this forum, neither publicly nor in private messages.
- Don't talk about banned members. They're not here to reply, comment or defend themselves.
- Don't assume others are less knowledgeable or proficient just because their views & practices are different from yours. Conversely, don't assume that your own views and practices are infallible or "the only way".
- Do your best to avoid "assuming" stuff altogether.
- Adhere to all of the above, and especially to this forum's Rules & Guidelines. If you don't agree with them or don't intend to follow them, either don't apply to join, or don't post, or be prepared to get banned.
- Remember that no one gets banned for their ideas, only for shitty behavior. Exceptions to this are '"ideas" that include bigotry, racism, homophobia, misogyny, etc., because they are a form of collective harassment towards certain segments of the forum's membership.

Not very complicated.

I will do my best to adhere to these rules from now on and will make sure that I don't get carried away again.
 

Illen A. Cluf

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Ego shemego.

It's actually very simple:

- Be kind and respectful to one another even if you disagree with them.
- Don't be preachy and don't practice grandstanding. Don't serially "correct" people and don't "grade their performance". These practices are a a subset of trolling.
- Don't hijack every other thread where you believe/assume someone is "wrong". That "someone" may just as well be on to something that hasn't occurred to you just yet.
- Don't harass, slander or badmouth other members on this forum, neither publicly nor in private messages.
- Don't talk about banned members. They're not here to reply, comment or defend themselves.
- Don't assume others are less knowledgeable or proficient just because their views & practices are different from yours. Conversely, don't assume that your own views and practices are infallible or "the only way".
- Do your best to avoid "assuming" stuff altogether.
- Adhere to all of the above, and especially to this forum's Rules & Guidelines. If you don't agree with them or don't intend to follow them, either don't apply to join, or don't post, or be prepared to get banned.
- Remember that no one gets banned for their ideas, only for shitty behavior. Exceptions to this are '"ideas" that include bigotry, racism, homophobia, misogyny, etc., because they are a form of collective harassment towards certain segments of the forum's membership.

Not very complicated.

It would be great if these rules were also included:

- Provide sources when referencing other people's work.
- Express views as opinions, rather than as dogmatic responses.
 

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It would be great if these rules were also included:

- Provide sources when referencing other people's work.
- express views as opinions, rather than as dogmatic responses.

Thanks Illen.

Sourcing references is already part of the Rules & Guidelines.

* Cite your sources when copying and pasting information into your post.
But maybe it needs to be emphasized again.

The expression of personal views as what they are: personal (as opposed to expressing them as claimed or implied "infallible" dogma) is already covered under preaching and grandstanding, but it's also good to clarify it again.