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For example some when they hear, or read the word "god" think about a bearded man in the sky to whom he thinks to have to obey in order to please the wrathful father figure of his image.
From a historical stance they're kind of right. The earliest creator deities ( god is a title, originally they were called something else ) were associated with the sun sky and water.
A white man with a beard is the physical description of some of these deities, who were infact humans from a recently destroyed civilisation.
The image is ancient. The Canaanite deities who form the Elohim which are the basis of the OT god, where taken from older civilisations.
The spiritual attributes these gods have were generated by ancient man worshipping them. Osiris doesn't really look after the dead,
when he was alive he established burial processes and customs taken from his fallen civilisation.
Truth becomes story as more time passes.

A non physical universal God is something that pre " gods " hunter gathers had an idea of.
For me it means man generated this universal concept himself, when he was still learning to distinguish and separate matter, see in 3 dimensions.
He used light as the identity of this God because light is fundamental to life universally and his. The natural world around him runs by it.
Its how he starts to make sense of his reality. Day from night. Sun from moon ?.
Then in later traditions associated it to the visitors " gods " on his land.

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Answering for myself: I feel I am not even represented on this scale :)
 

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Answering for myself: I feel I am not even represented on this scale :)

This would bring you into a position of "observation without intervention". In the end this would mean

1) You actually are completly outside of the observed system.

2) The model of Stages of Faith needs refinemend.

3) You actually are represented but you don't feel it.
 

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This would bring you into a position of "observation without intervention". In the end this would mean

1) You actually are completly outside of the observed system.

2) The model of Stages of Faith needs refinemend.

3) You actually are represented but you don't feel it.
Whatevs, darling :)
 

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This would bring you into a position of "observation without intervention". In the end this would mean

1) You actually are completly outside of the observed system.

2) The model of Stages of Faith needs refinemend.

3) You actually are represented but you don't feel it.

4) Structuralism can be transcended :p
 

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Credit to Zoas for the additional input.

That one is my favourite among the examples, but because it makes explicit some things that the other examples probably don't (i.e, the Ying Yang symbol mostly shows a balance and an equivalence... the Vajra is already divided in 3 parts with an explicit middle and takes things a bit further).

Somehow as if it was symbolizing more phrases of the Emerald Tablet... i.e, this whole part:

"That which is below is like that which is above
and that which is above is like that is below
to do the miracles of one only thing
And as all things have been and arose from one by the mediation of one:
so all things have their birth from this one thing by adaptation."

Of course, any symbol can potentially show such thing and even more, but I mean that it is showing it in a very explicit way.
 

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Is it not a fractal? That is to say it depends on where you are looking from, each point in the structure has its relative above and below.
 

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Is it not a fractal? That is to say it depends on where you are looking from, each point in the structure has its relative above and below.
There are some (very few) "things" that are not relative.
 

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Based on my direct experience you often use the symbol of the Black Sun... why not the White Sun? Do you rate Spirit "above" Soul?

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Based on my direct experience you often use the symbol of the Black Sun... why not the White Sun? Do you rate Spirit "above" Soul?
Both "suns" are in there (in the first diagram). Look again. They are both significant. Without "Spirit" there is no Animation, without "Soul" there is no manifestation.

They can be somewhat compared to the TWO "Central Fires" in the alchemical texts.
 

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I know all that, just curious as to why you seem to prefer the Black Sun (at least from what I have seen, you don't mention the White Sun that often)?

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I know all that, just curious as to why you seem to prefer the Black Sun (at least from what I have seen, you don't mention the White Sun that often)?
Perhaps because I have an inclination/affinity for timelessness and negentropy :)

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We're all familiar with "As Above - So Below".

But the deeper question may not be what this says, but perhaps what it doesn't say?

Above WHAT? Below WHAT?

What is the point of reference?

Is there a LINE ???

If yes, where do we draw it?

Above & Below "ground level"? Above & Below "sea level"?

Above my head and below my feet?

As "Six Feet Up" - so "Six Feet Under"?

As in Olympus - so in Tartarus?

There may be a mystery hidden here :cool:

Just a little something to ponder :confused:

Just asking these types of questions and then sitting back while waiting for the universe to respond is sobering to any length or time. I can only offer my lone opinion- not extracted from any authoritative source, or expounded unto me by any length of dusty pages writ by dead men long turned to ash and dust.

We definitely exist in, or as a universe (if anything or nothing are possible to be realized at all with mental abstractions).
We have a central point and it is in constant fractal-ling to what appears to be out (as above) but it really never moves but remains where it is in the present.
The theory of Gender actually helps describe my meaning here: (Death or the already present/ born (as below)
Reality is fractal-ling into new realities at all times.
So we have what is already existing (as below) and what is fractal-ling into existence (as above/ present now)

But its a lie I feel or a trick from our own minds: There is no two, only 1 and as above and as below are both the same. Its a universe and UNI is one and to understand it all is to bring it all to the Centre together..
 

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Thats too bad my friend was banned. Awani is a half wit idiot.

Have you seen the nonsense I tolerated from him since the very beginning? Ridiculous fool of a man. So sensitive about the "F' word, but throws around the "n" word with total comfort.

Plus his ridiculous anti-semitism. But he's all enlightened and shit, and has learned everything he can from the shamans.

HAHAHHAAHAHA.

This place would be shit if it wasn't for Andro.

Goodbye.

*screenshot*.
 

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But he's all enlightened and shit...

I have never claimed that, nor will I ever claim that. And your other remarks, well I can't help you with what you "think". I only know the truth, and your post ain't it.

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