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Jimmy Rig

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Firstly, Thank you to all involved for the transfer and rebirth of our dear alchemy forums site! Very good news that I am very thankful for.

I have not posted here actively for a while as life has and is quite busy (right now) but this is only for a season and I know that I will be very much engaged in this here place since alchemy is a passion of mine. Since moving off-grid, my options for laboratory work have become somewhat limited as I have not access to grid power for heating appliances and also a temporary lack of working space. At the same time I am learning slowly that haste and drive alone will not get us to where we are going. I like many of you have done a fair amount of experimenting (less than some, but more than others) and this process of "ora et labora" seems to be a good one for making links between what we are reading and what is happening in the flask, environment, world, self.

I am increasingly as time goes on starting to seriously consider that all these attempts to unravel the thread, although fascinatingly full of ups and downs, moments of clarity and moments of confusion is ultimately just another layer to the quandary we (who are incarnate here) are ultimately stuck in. For example; if one wants to walk through a spiders web and make it safely to the other side how would they go about doing such? Knowing that if they get caught in the web they become lunch so to speak.

Well, an energetic approach would be to just hit the web with as much speed and effort as possible with hopes of sundering the threads that make the web (not likely to work) but if successful, the result could be the freeing of a whole litany of goer's before.

Another option is to use something akin to a sword, to make a sharp cut with great skill to etch a narrow way through the web, and ward off the resident spider who seeks to guard the passage by the web.

A third option; perhaps discussed here before is to just not engage with the web at all; either to walk around the web, or to make one small enough or large enough that it becomes a somewhat moot point.

Now to anybody who has made it to here; I want to be as honest as I can about what is written above.
I DO NOT KNOW where this knowledge (if you want to call it that?) comes from.(Though I like the idea that God is still keeping me in his sights from outside of time.)
I have often had insights about alchemy and life that just come either to my mind or my fingertips.
The thing is; just because I "pulled it" does not mean that I always understand what I am writing.
I will try to write my "understanding" of what spontaneously arrived at my fingertips in the spider web analogy.

In the text above I made some thinly veiled reference to the efforts to escape physical reality by three different methods;
1. Break down the structure of the reality, freeing the captives.
2. Find/Create a door out.(or the spider lets you out on good behavior?(False reality cannot really hold truth forever.) (The "narrow way")
3. Detach oneself so far from it (safety pin Andro?) that you can become so out of phase to just blink out. (I think in terms of vibrating so high the shell cracks)

Ultimately all three require a liberated being or, from my christian view one "Born of the Spirit" (One that comes from above, to return to it) Sort of a gnostic look here too.

So, I get these "insights" randomly, sometimes while sitting down at the PC with intent to engage with you all; other times during daily moments of being the "aha" moments arrive. Interestingly though they are seldom regarding solving the puzzle of the philosophers stone, spiritus mundi, our mercury etc and more just merging of insight with out sight. It all seems linked; my mind has so much more influence on my surrounding than I realized or is it the opposite? ( I think a two-way street)

Sometimes we can calm the storm with inner peace; other times we certainly cause it.
Two ends there are on a pendulum that swings but how about when it finally stops?
Just because a ride stops does not mean that there will be no good ground to step off onto.

So while we are here riding on the pendulum I can see reasoning behind searching for the ends to suffering, disease and aging; we would not be so concerned with the ups and downs of life is we felt more permanent here.

I keep thinking however that an immortal ranked cure, must be made by.. an immortal.

I.e. Like produces Like; a mortal may not create an immortal medicine. The Blade comes before the Cut.
~ I put "may" because I do not know.

I think this way of thinking (the internal raising of vibrations comes before the external) had lead me away from a variety of experiments and towards a slower; less technical approach. (I have lately limited my alchemy works to the making of simple herbal teas and elixirs on the wood stove using a percolator and a few kitchen dishes.)

Now, I named this thread "A thread without a name" because I did not know when starting where it would lead I just knew that I felt like sharing some thoughts. Consider this a welcome place to do the same or to reflect your own perspective on what I have wrote.
I would appreciate anothers clarity indeed!
 
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Below I will leave a few comments about MY PERSONAL view. All paragraphs should be understood has having an "in my belief/view/opinion" at the start.

In the text above I made some thinly veiled reference to the efforts to escape physical reality by three different methods;
1. Break down the structure of the reality, freeing the captives.
2. Find/Create a door out.(or the spider lets you out on good behavior?(False reality cannot really hold truth forever.) (The "narrow way")
3. Detach oneself so far from it (safety pin Andro?) that you can become so out of phase to just blink out. (I think in terms of vibrating so high the shell cracks)

Or just understand that "there is no spoon".
Understanding this enables you to find a way to "act in the world" without "being (belonging to) of the world". This is transversal to many paths. See from above etc. My current experiments in alchemy are focused on making this a physical reality. After all if you "bring" something that does not belong to this world, to this world... you have set the road that permits you to escape. Its not about what you perceive, but about what transcends the web.

Two ends there are on a pendulum that swings but how about when it finally stops?

Game over. No more need to insert coins (reincarnate).

I keep thinking however that an immortal ranked cure, must be made by.. an immortal.

Indeed. You! Not what you see, but who you are. And you my friend, are the same that you seek. This much I can assure you!
You are not from this world, but nevertheless, you are here.

VS

All the best, my dear!
C.
 

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See this post: There is no spoon

While many people understand the concept of "there is no spoon", few people actually grasp it. Kind of like understanding the size of the universe as opposed to grasping the size. Although the size of the universe is, probably, in relation to whatever size we can grasp... which is an effect of fully grasping the concept that "there is no... universe"...

...just as there is no spoon.
 

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The being in the world but not of the world seems to be a key.
There is also the other perspective of the value of "here, now".
While we are here, can we not be sincere? Notice when things do not go our way/there is an unintended consequence/accident we will say "That was not on purpose!" implying that we have a sort of purpose or narrow way to follow (conscience, heart, right outcome)
To me, being aware of the divine underpinnings; and learning to see it within the game of life while we are engaged is a way of sincerely playing the part while here. (Serious vs Sincere has been discussed here somewhere and by Alan Watts)

I for example am a father of two; husband to one;
3 in my immediate life that I in many ways live through.
I am very sincere as a father; in that i sincerely want my children to feel loved and also want to make the right decisions as a father yet I can also laugh (sometimes) when things are not going "my way". Life does throw lemons! How do we respond? (Its a constant learn, readjustment.)

Even if you knew how to leave; (or had a hunch) you wouldn't go there until you counted the cost..
Triune One and Ghetto have a very touching conversation on some of these lines in the special men's club therapy thread.
I can relate, especially with Triune One on many levels but am learning slowly that nothing is a mistake and to see the pearls that surround us daily. This of course is not a linear; stack on stack progress I/we(as i feel that many can relate) are passing and failing some of these daily lessons but over time there can be net gain of patience, faith and understanding.
The state I am at; to less and more degree depending on the day is the one foot on the shore and one foot in the sea.
"where the wind blows" except that I am anchored to that sand.
"Where the tides ebb" would be more accurate; its a variable path and yet still linear.

I for one would like an opportunity for one of my children to understand to some degree this idea of a return home before it occurs; this though I believe is vanity and not up to I to choose. I suppose all loving humans feel this sortof pressure to prepare loved ones for their inevitable absence.

Can anyone share any information that they would like to regarding the concept of a fill in or Egregore?
This could be a comforting thought for any seriously contemplating some of these concepts.
 

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A single thread in a tapestry
Though its color brightly shines
Can never see its purpose
In the pattern of the grand design
And the stone that sits on the very top
Of the mountains mighty face
Does it think it's more important
Than the stones that form the base?
So how can you see what your life is worth
Or where your value lies?
You can never see through the eyes of man
You must look at your life
Look at your life through heaven's eyes
A lake of gold in the desert sand
Is less than a cool fresh spring
And to one lost sheep, a shepherd boy
Is greater than the richest king
If a man loses everything he owns
Has he truly lost his worth?
Or is it the beginning
Of a new and brighter birth?
So how do you measure the worth of a man
In wealth or strength or size?
In how much he gained or how much he gave?
The answer will come
The answer will come to him who tries
To look at his life through heaven's eyes
And that's why we share all we have with you
Though there's little to be found
When all you've got is nothing
There's a lot to go around
No life can escape being blown about
By the winds of change and chance
And though you never know all the steps
You must learn to join the dance
You must learn to join the dance

~ Through heaven's eyes.
 

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The being in the world but not of the world seems to be a key.
There is also the other perspective of the value of "here, now".
While we are here, can we not be sincere? Notice when things do not go our way/there is an unintended consequence/accident we will say "That was not on purpose!" implying that we have a sort of purpose or narrow way to follow (conscience, heart, right outcome)
To me, being aware of the divine underpinnings; and learning to see it within the game of life while we are engaged is a way of sincerely playing the part while here. (Serious vs Sincere has been discussed here somewhere and by Alan Watts)

I for example am a father of two; husband to one;
3 in my immediate life that I in many ways live through.
I am very sincere as a father; in that i sincerely want my children to feel loved and also want to make the right decisions as a father yet I can also laugh (sometimes) when things are not going "my way". Life does throw lemons! How do we respond? (Its a constant learn, readjustment.)

Even if you knew how to leave; (or had a hunch) you wouldn't go there until you counted the cost..
Triune One and Ghetto have a very touching conversation on some of these lines in the special men's club therapy thread.
I can relate, especially with Triune One on many levels but am learning slowly that nothing is a mistake and to see the pearls that surround us daily. This of course is not a linear; stack on stack progress I/we(as i feel that many can relate) are passing and failing some of these daily lessons but over time there can be net gain of patience, faith and understanding.
The state I am at; to less and more degree depending on the day is the one foot on the shore and one foot in the sea.
"where the wind blows" except that I am anchored to that sand.
"Where the tides ebb" would be more accurate; its a variable path and yet still linear.

I for one would like an opportunity for one of my children to understand to some degree this idea of a return home before it occurs; this though I believe is vanity and not up to I to choose. I suppose all loving humans feel this sortof pressure to prepare loved ones for their inevitable absence.

Can anyone share any information that they would like to regarding the concept of a fill in or Egregore?
This could be a comforting thought for any seriously contemplating some of these concepts.

I will be honest, so bear with me until the end. :D
Being in the world but not belonging to it is key, and the key grows with time. A fermentation expecting to transcend itself into wine.

What you bring to the table does not include the process known as initiation. And that's the constant that changes everything.
I'm not talking about being part of groups or orders. I'm talking about each one. You, me as individuals. The leaps you take, knowing in conscience that from that point on there's no turning back because you lived, experimented, and comprehend. In a word: you know!
You cannot take that from you. Worse: taking it from you after knowing it, would have implications. Initiation, family, work... everything is part of your choices. But after you take each of the red pills... the choice is final. Loyalty plays an important part in this process. Loyalty, first and foremost... to you! It changes you! Drastically!

One of the biggest realizations one can have in the path is to know (for real) that there's only one person that can be fooled in all processes: each one. If one fools himself, he is nothing more than an actor performing for others (the world). A shelf full of books never read nor understood. The initiation process is not sweet. The world (the people) LITERALLY will hate you! Because they don't comprehend the process and as a consequence, they will not understand you! Who wants the truth? But it can become sweet, to you! Not for others! Just for you. The others... depend on themselves. You, me, all of us, can choose to help, stretch the hand... but it's each one choice to pick it, or not!

I'm also a father and a husband, and I understand what you are saying, but listen... As hard as it may appear, please realize that you are the guardian (for an uncertain time) of Beings that had many fathers and mothers before. They choose you! To be their primary guide in this world - their first instructor and initiator. That's our duty! To prepare them for their journey! Like your mother and father did to you! Prepare them, when the time is right! Every day I give my best to do it. It will come the time to have more deep talks, if not... well... he chose me... he can go through all the notes and books if that is his mission and desire; or not! And that's OK too!

That's a choice they must make. So... If you got lemons, make lemonade. If you got oranges make orange juice; or be an alchemist and make orange juice from lemons; or don't! That's a choice! Or you trust the wind, or you decide to know where the wind will take you! John 3:8 "' The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit."

I love that movie! One of my kid's favorites too! The choice to see from above... takes you from the ground. Moses was never the same...

To end, read this:

Ithaka​

BY C. P. CAVAFY (TRANSLATED BY EDMUND KEELEY)

As you set out for Ithaka
hope your road is a long one,
full of adventure, full of discovery.
Laistrygonians, Cyclops,
angry Poseidon—don’t be afraid of them:
you’ll never find things like that on your way
as long as you keep your thoughts raised high,
as long as a rare excitement
stirs your spirit and your body.
Laistrygonians, Cyclops,
wild Poseidon—you won’t encounter them
unless you bring them along inside your soul,
unless your soul sets them up in front of you.

Hope your road is a long one.
May there be many summer mornings when,
with what pleasure, what joy,
you enter harbors you’re seeing for the first time;
may you stop at Phoenician trading stations
to buy fine things,
mother of pearl and coral, amber and ebony,
sensual perfume of every kind—
as many sensual perfumes as you can;
and may you visit many Egyptian cities
to learn and go on learning from their scholars.

Keep Ithaka always in your mind.
Arriving there is what you’re destined for.
But don’t hurry the journey at all.
Better if it lasts for years,
so you’re old by the time you reach the island,
wealthy with all you’ve gained on the way,
not expecting Ithaka to make you rich.

Ithaka gave you the marvelous journey.
Without her you wouldn't have set out.
She has nothing left to give you now.

And if you find her poor, Ithaka won’t have fooled you.
Wise as you will have become, so full of experience,
you’ll have understood by then what these Ithakas mean.


All my best! :)
C.
 

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I wasn't sure where to post this; I felt it would get hit by some backlash in literally any other thread so this one seems appropriate because of the previous postings here as well as the fact that this is "A Thread Without A Name".

No matter what path is used the Alchemist can only have Quintessence after it has passed the Test by Fire.

To have a Quintessence it has to have been Fixed by the Fire .... there is no other way.

The Alchemic Test by Fire has nothing to do with Centigrade or Fahrenheit.

Anyone that thinks that the Alchemic Test by Fire has something to do with heat is so far removed from the Great Work that I strongly doubt they will ever see a drop of Quintessence.

Do you know what the Alchemic Fire is ?

Do you know where to find it ?

Tell me catmando .... do you think that the Acetate Path uses Vinegar / Acetic Acid ????

Many, many, many times on this forum I have posted the substances that I use to perform the Alchemic Process ..... my work has nothing to do with Vinegar / Acetic Acid (CH3COOH) and it never will.

I'm sure that many students of Alchemy actually believe Vinegar / Acetic Acid is used in the Acetate Path ..... but these students will never find one drop of Quintessence.
The Adept Alchemists (the Brothers) have completed the work asked of them from this Divine science to Enter into Alchemy ..... they have the Understanding and Knowledge of this Great Work because they have done the Work.

Reading books for ten years is not even a start into Alchemy.

Perhaps you could actually start doing some work on diethyl ether, which has been vivified with life force (aka HIM).

That way you might have something to comment on from experience ?
The greatest Alchemic healers have no need to give Tinctures for healing as they are open conduits for the Divine Light and operate at the will of Our Creator.
The Dew, water, rain, air and all the other words used in the books of Alchemy .... this is the jargon of the Master Alchemists and not to be understood by the common man or those trying to pry open that entrance into this Great Work.

Does this give you an idea of how lost all of the students of Alchemy are in their own comprehension or imaginings of this Divine Science of Alchemy ?
From:
Basil Valentine, His Triumphant Chariot of Antimony
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In this Meditation I found that there were five principal Heads, chiefly to be considered by the wise and prudent Spectators of our Wisdom and Art. This first of which is, Invocation of GOD. the second, Contemplation of Nature. The third, True Preparation. The fourth, The Way of Using. The fifth, Utility and Fruit. For he, who regards not these, shall never obtain place among true Chymists, or fill up the number of perfect Spagyrists. Therefore touching these five Heads we shall here following treat, and so far declare them, as that the general Work may be brought to light and perfected by an intent and studious Operation.


1. [GOD TO BE FIRST INVOKED]


Invocation of GOD must be made with a certain Heavenly Intention, drawn from the bottom of a pure and sincere Heart, and Conscience, free from all Ambition, Hypocrisy, and all other Vices, which have any affinity with these, as Arrogance, Boldness, Pride, Luxury, Mundane Petulancy, Oppression of the Poor, and other dependent evils, all which are to be eradicated out of the Heart; that when a Man desires to prostrate himself before the Throne of Grace, for obtaining bodily health, he may do that with a Conscience free from all unprofitable Weeds, that his Body may be transmuted into an Holy Temple of GOD, and be purged from every uncleaness. For GOD will not be mocked (which I earnestly admonish) as Worldly Men, pleasing and flattering themselves with their own Wisdom, think: GOD, I say, will not be mocked, but the Creator of all things will be invoked with reverential fear, and acknowledged with due Obedience. And for this there is great Reason. For what hath Man, that he must not own to be recieved from this his Omnipotent Creator, whether you have respect to the Body, or to the Soul, which operates the Body? Hath no he, for sustention of this, out of his meer Mercy communicated to us his Eternal WORD, and also promised Eternal Salvation? Hath not he also provided food and cloathing for the Body, and all those things without which the Body cannot subsist? All these, by humble Prayer a Man obtains of that most excellent Father, who created Heaven and Earth, together with things Visible and Invisible, as the Firmament, Elements, Vegetables, and Animals. Which is so very true, that I am certainly assured, no Impious Man shall ever be partaker of true Medicine, much less of the Eternal Heavenly Bread. Therefore place your whole Intention and Trust in GOD, call upon him and pray, that he may impart his blessing to you: let this be the beginning of your work, that by the same you may obtain your desired end, and at length effect what you intended.


For the Fear of the Lord is the Beginning of Wisdom."

Rest of the text here.

"No matter what path is used.
Nothing to do with centigrade or fahrenheit.
The Great Work."
The Transmuting Fire...

I worked for a few years fulltime studying and lab work with no genuine Alchemic progress e.g. no "Pure" SM = no Alchemy.

Only when I asked my Mentor/Alchemy Teacher for help did I start to gain understanding of the Great Work and see positive Alchemic results e.g. "Pure" SM = Alchemy.

Only through constant guidance from an Adept Alchemist or directly from the Divine Light (Our Creator) can any student gain Entry into Alchemy and continue to advance in this Divine Science.
What is required for this world and all of it's inhabitants is best decided by Our Creator and not by my very limited intellect.

Every man or woman that is granted Entry into the Great Work understands this.

They have not been given this understanding to Serve humanity, nature or themselves.

The Adept Alchemists of this world Serve the One and Only Creator of All.

There is a spectrum of frequency that makes up this world .... it is everything that is here, the good, the bad, the healthy, the sick, the wealthy, the poor ..... it is like that now, it has been like that in the past and it will continue to be like that in the future.

The more a Soul Evolves closer to the Divine Light the veil to understanding is lifted allowing those Souls to see with more clarity the reasons for worlds like this one.

Whom does the Grail serve?

The Grail is of the Divine Light.

Those that are called to drink of the Grail .... Serve the Divine Light (Our Creator of All). :)
Holy Smokes.
Such generous postings from Mr. Black.
IMO


Re: A MINE OF THIRTY YEARS STANDING

I decided to do a little bit of homework for the benefit of readers and myself. It may or may not avail us.

I have worked through about 80 alchemy documents, works, treatises etc and searched for the term "mine" or "mines" to see where else this (imho) allegorical term is used. There are quite a few so here are my findings for what they are worth(I have highlighted in bold the terms I think are key):

The Mystery Of The Cathedrals - Fulcanelli

"Thus we see the first matter of the Work expressed symbolically as a book, sometimes open, sometimes closed, according to whedier it has been worked, or merely extracted from the mine. Sometimes, when this book is shown closed—indicating the raw mineral substance—-it is not uncommon to see it sealed with seven bands. These are the marks of the seven successive operations, which enable it to be opened, each one breaking one of the seven fastening seals. This is the Great Book of Nature, whose pages hold the REVELATION of the profane sciences and of the sacred mysteries. It is simple in style, easy to read, providing always that one knows where to find it—which is very hard—and, above all, that one knows how to open it—which is even more difficult"

"Here truth lies veiled under two distinct images, those of the oak and the ram, which, as I have just been saying, represent one and the same thing under two different aspects. Indeed, the oak has always been taken by the ancient authors to indicate the common name of their initial subject as it is found in the mine. It is by means of an approximation corresponding to the oak that the Philosophers inform us about this matter. The phrase I use may sound ambiguous. I am sorry about that, but I cannot speak more clearly without overstepping certain limits. Only those who are initiated in the language of the gods will understand without any difficulty, since they possess the keys to unlock all doors, whether of science or of religion."
In regards to the book of nature, the seven bands or seven fastening seals(quickening) which holds the Revelation; I quote from the book of Revelation... Chapter 5.
"
Rev 5:1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.
Rev 5:2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?
Rev 5:3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was ableI to open the book, neither to look thereon.
Rev 5:4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.

Rev 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
Rev 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
Rev 5:7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
Rev 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
Rev 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
Rev 5:11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;
Rev 5:12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.
Rev 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
Rev 5:14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.


In regards to "Oak" some versions the bible speaks here of Acorns and Eagles substituting out mustard seed and birds of the air respectively.
The Mustard Seed and the Leaven
Mat 13:31 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:
Mat 13:32 Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.
Mat 13:33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened. "

In regards to "Ram"
"The ram represents the power to penetrate, overcome, and achieve. It reflects the assertion of strength in creative ways to achieve a breakthrough. It is also associated with sacrifice.
"A ram is one such symbol, appearing in many biblical stories and often associated with sacrifice, devotion, and divine intervention."
I took teofrast40's comment here out of a larger post; this was not where he was going with it but it does assist in this explanation.
and the magnet has often the form of a cross, and must be looked for in "in a mine of thirty years standing"
Jesus began his ministry around the age of 30 when the holy spirit descended on him.
"chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, patience, kindness, and humility. "
1,2,3,4,5,6,7.
:)


I wonder if any here can relate some keys from other traditional teachings(religions) relevant to our art?
All IMO of course...
Just ignore it if you don't like it. I think it has much relevance regarding the eventual practice of Alchemy.

Best Regards,

Jimmy