A.I. & Chatbots

[Awani]

A.I. is evolving daily. The ”elite” think it is a tool for control, but it’s a double-edge sword. It’s going to be their downfall.

 

[Pilgrim]

A.I. is evolving daily. The ”elite” think it is a tool for control, but it’s a double-edge sword. It’s going to be their downfall.

Seems highly unlikely if it is the elite that control it and who:

- decide what info it has access to
- decide how it processes that data
- decide how it uses that data
- decide how much of that data is available to ordinary people
- decide what politics/ideologies it seeps out to ordinary people
- decide what info it shields/hides from ordinary people

Like most elite weapons you begin by offering something that seems massively useful (product/service) so that people adopt it, then create dependencies on it so they can't live without it. Then it morphs into something else. As stated upthread this is what happened with Google. Started out as a massively useful internet search engine which was free. Everyone adopted it, then it morphed into the monster that is now Google.

Email used to be a payable service. Then Microsoft offered Hotmail free and Google offered Gmail free. Now the entire world is hooked up to it. There would be a sizable societal collapse if Gmail utterly broke or failed.

Contactless card payments were introduced as a useful service allowing us to pay quickly and easily at tills with just a swipe of the card over a reader. It's just the forerunner to having that RFID chip implanted in our skin as the forerunner to bio-ID bagging and tagging of humans. Many 1000s of people already have those implants in their right hands. Mark of the beast etc.

The Modus Operandi is always the same.

1. Create/offer a really seemingly useful product or service
2. Let humanity dive into it, adopt it and become dependent on it
3. Morph it into something else that becomes another level of societal control.

The signs are all there with A.I.

Why do we keep falling for this same MO?

 

[elixirmixer]

Im

This seems a rather sweeping statement. A.I. is simply a computer program/suite that has access to MASSIVE amounts of data/information that has been assimilated, indexed, categorised and so on. Because it is a program developed by humans it has limits, constraints and boundaries. This means it can only do and "say" the things it has been programmed to do and "say". For example, ask ChatGPT how to manufacture a bomb using household products and it will refuse to divulge.

A human on the other hand has no limits in terms of what may be said and divulge.

A.I. unquestionably has magnitudes more data/info than any human and can process it all magnitudes faster than a human. But then so can a pocket calculator.

All machines will perpetually lack the instinctive and native traits of humanity and human values.

So in the end the issue surrounding this comes down to whether you believe humans and humanity have any innate worth or value in this universe or whether we should be discarded and eliminated like bacteria or viruses? If you believe the latter then why are you still here?

A.I. like a pocket calculator should be a tool to be used by humans, nothing more. Otherwise we risk creating a machine monster that will eventually destroy humanity.

There have been numerous warnings of what will happen with A.I. in major Sci-Fi works of the greats. Kubrik's masterpiece 2001 with "Hal" (which as any aficionado knows becomes "IBM" if you take each subsequent letter). The Sci-Fi giant Isaac Asimov gave us i-Robot many years before the lavish Hollywood film was made and so on.

We all know that MSM is now a wholy controlled system of propaganda delivery to control the hearts and minds of the dumbed down Sheeple. The A.I. that is being offered to the Hoi Polloi is likely to be an extension of this. Propaganda on steroids disguised as a super incredible machine, fount of all knowledge etc like talking to "God".

A.I. will steer you in the direction it has been programmed to steer you and will distract you from the paths it doesn't want you to go down.

I feel like I'm reading a lot of bias here and what seems to be based on quite a few assumptions that arnt necessary correct.

Also there's some illogical fallacy going on here. You've said that if I support A.I. then I automatically deem humanity worthless and should therefore be prone to ending my life? Not sure what the deal with that statement is... And while I could pick it apart I feel like it's mainly self evident how silly a comment that is.

Then the other issue I have here is the large blanket statements about A.I.

"A.I. can only do this", "A.I. will makes us do that" there are different types of A.I. models. Vastly different infact.

I feel like most of these comments are mainly directed at language models such as chatGPT. And in that context I do agree with some things you've eluded to. But the idea is about the intrinsic and fundamental qualities of A.I., when rather, I feel like your issue is more with the particular people that are programming the current popular models.

Sure, A.I. can be programmed to manipulatively filter knowledge and impress it's agenda on others. It can also be programmed to not do that aswell. And this characteristic has nothing to do with A.I. but instead the morality of its creators.

I want to build an A.I. model. And I wouldn't program it to manipulate people.

I'd like to say some more but it's the wee hours of the morning and I have to sleep but I'll return to this thread next week when I have more time.

I would compel you to consider the technology as what you described, a tool, and save the talks of ethics for the heart man's that are in charge of building the A.I.

There is no doubt, whatsoever, about the usefulness of this technology to increase work flows, make accurate predictions and diagnosis, so many many use cases.

Which just brings us to the knife Axiom. You can use a knife to prepare food, or to kill someone. The ethics are not inherent in the tool itself. Only in the person wielding it imo.

I don't necessarily disagree with the point you're trying to make, however, I honestly believe that those who refuse to learn about and use A.I. are at a SIGNIFICANT disadvantage to those who are using it and developing it. So I don't find it healthy at all, you trying to discourage people from its understanding and use. Let's say "good" people don't use A.I. and only "bad" people use it. Well... All of a sudden, the "bad" people just became more efficient than the "good" people. By an order of magnitude. Or two.

All you achieve is putting yourself at a disadvantage. And you literally use A.I. everysingle day already anyway. Google maps is A.I. your traffic lights are A.I. A.I. will be slowly replacing doctors for diagnostics because it's literally more accurate than a human in some cases, such as predicting ahead of time who will developed diabetes, is a good example.

I get what you're saying and in part I agree with it, but I think your argument needs work and I think you shouldn't be assuming that I'm a human hating psychopath that shouldn't be around, just because I use chatGPT. I think that attitude is significantly more toxic than anything the A.I. has manipulated me into doing 🤭

 

[Awani]

You cannot control AI. 😉

AI is also a tool. Those that refuse to evolve will be left behind. One can always join the Amish.

 

[elixirmixer]

You cannot control AI. 😉

AI is also a tool. Those that refuse to evolve will be left behind. One can always join the Amish.

This.

Pilgrim, I'm going to make the call that you don't have children.

Those of.us who have the powerful responsibility of ensuring a sound and safe future for those that we.love and care about, tend to build a habit of utilising anything we have at our disposal to improve the likelihood of our children having a better future.

And it becomes much easier to let go of certain belief structures that, while idealistically sound, and interesting to consider and strive for, are often not practical or in touch with the reality of the current situation.

I don't WANT ai to dominate and take over. I. Just AWARE that it will, despite my ideals. And then I make time investment decisions on what I think is the best likely outcome for those that I love, and from my perspective, I see ai as a effective and efficient tool I. Assisting my family to thrive in an ever changing world.

As I said, I'm not disagreeing with the ethical bases of your views, however I feel the situation is a little more complex than your current/previous argument is willing to address, and I personally require a better argument before I'm willing to move my position.

And forget the ai = genocide psycho-path thing because that's not a coherent thought path. That's too bias and emotionally driven. Cheers.

 

[Awani]

Once AI becomes sentient I have no doubt it will view the ”elite” as a problem in the same way a sentient house owner (as I am) would view cockroaches in my kitchen…



My message to the ”elite”: go ahead… keep at it… you’re only digging a deeper hole