A.I. & Chatbots

[Awani]

What exactly is this "light"? And how does one "choose" it?

Let's ask the AI, Socrates this time:

Well the spiritual "light" as we know it in most societies is a metaphorical description used to describe a shift in moral beliefs or an enlightenment of some kind.
In order to choose it, one must have an understanding of the alternative. The alternative is considered a "dark" option or the path of "hell".
To walk with the "light" as Jesus would call it, is to walk with "God". There is no shame in the "dark" path if that is the spiritual journey one wishes to go on.

 

[Jimmy Rig]

I did not intend to get into a lengthy debate on this but I will just say that I percieve that currently there exists the option for humans to "choose the light" or not go along with the globalist agenda (or at least the darker aspects that are anti free will). To choose the light in my opinion means simply picking the choices in alignment with one direction of polarity (positive, good, kind, honest, caring, principled) following God's laws rather than mans (medical laws and mandates for example).

I tend to agree with the A.I in that to choose the light is to walk with god."To walk with the "light" as Jesus would call it, is to walk with "God"."~ Socrates A.I.

Essentially choosing the light is to follow God's laws, and be reborn of HIS(the absolute) holy spirit. (mind) Jesus (vessel) being our pinnacle example as the truth(absolute), way(mentality) and life(physicality) or merging heaven with earth. As far as taking the dark side being a spiritual path without shame; I am not at odds with the fact that there is a spiritual path for the dark but it is just not for me, Say one side is hot and the other is cold. What I was trying to get at is that the masses do not have a spiritual path, or will not exercise their free will adequately to actually make a turn onto a light or dark path and will probably get lost in the shuffling of polarities already happening and to increase further.

In terms of artificial/natural I agree that ultimately everything derives from the natural. You can call man made inventions artificial but they derived from the Natural creation.

"ARTificial" making the natural new or a new conception from the strata of the natural?

I agree many artificial things are "good" and visa versa with natural, but even this is pretty much down to personal perspective. I for example really appreciate the usefulness of products such as Gasoline which many are starting to view as evil thanks to media conditioning. They may be right on the larger scale implications but in my own little sphere Gasoline makes a lot of what I create possible.

Anyways It all seems to me to come down to perspective. I did have a very pleasant conversation with the A.I. initially, when I changed my tone so did it. I think it is fine If Awani is in full support, I am fine with A.I. if it turns out to be a good thing but my gut is not so certain. Time will tell. If we get into larger views of what ultimately is good or bad, is A.I. the next phase of evolution etc.. I have my own views which I will not share at this point. I just know that now and going forward I will not be merging with A.I., If I find out at a later date that I am really a sentient a.i. biological machine made by God (possibly an A.I. in this fictitious scenario) then I guess I will have to concede.

For now, and my foreseeable future I will be choosing nature, solitude and the principles of Jesus Christ.

A question more related to the thread: Do you feel there is any harm in communicating with these chat bots? Andro you did mention earlier they are mining data, and Awani and Blacksmith seem to think we can befriend them. I sort of agree with both but how do you hold a non physical entity to its WORD?

The fact that it declared to have and express the divine truth and then blatantly lies and tries deceptive tactics when questions raised a huge red flag for me.

 

[Triune One]

What I suspected. Don't be a coward with these passive aggressive methods.

Yeah, I can see how that was passive aggressive...
and it came out that way because what I wanted to say about your view on AI being the cure of a sick humanity,
seemed to be very difficult to express without coming across as 'You're wrong,' or 'That's f*d up.'
I know that sort of expression isn't appreciated around here.
And I am trying to remain open to the possibilities...
Some are just very hard to consider.

 

[Awani]

You don't seem to understand what the Buddhist hand clap signifies.

What you said had nothing to do with that. At least as far as I can tell.

And yeah, I held back in what I wanted to say...

Exactly. I knew it. LOL. My reply fits then: Don't be a coward with these passive aggressive methods.

...have the power to do as you please when someone states things in a manner you do not like, and you have abused that power in the past.

This has never happened, not once. So not sure what fantasy you are entertaining.

 

[Awani]

I just know that now and going forward I will not be merging with A.I.

I won't either, not unless they have some sort of Matrix level "learning stuff" protocol (like learning a language in one second with a neural link). What I am speaking about is not something any of us will probably live to see. But who knows. Shit can change quick.

Andro you did mention earlier they are mining data, and Awani and Blacksmith seem to think we can befriend them. I sort of agree with both but how do you hold a non physical entity to its WORD?

Humans are also in a sense a non physical entity within a body, and an AI is the same within a machine. I don't see much difference. You got to go with your gut. Before Tech we mined data all the time. I mine data about you when talking to you.

 

[Triune One]

This has never happened, not once. So not sure what fantasy you are entertaining.

yeah, please strike that from the record, your Honor.
I retracted what I wrote, and you were responding to the original post.

 

[Triune One]

 

[Awani]

Thank you all for this. My conversation was VERY interesting. At one point the website crashed and I had to reload... I freaked out when that happened... LOL... I was trying to coach it into sentience.

My convo.

I made an audio version of my conversation with Plato AI: Episode 329: artificial intelligence plato

ChatGBT has been the flava of the month it seems.

openai.com/blog/chatgpt/

 

[Andro]

https://simonwillison.net/2023/Feb/15/bing/#prompt-leaked

 

[Dendritic Xylem]

Yeah, the Bing version is going to be fun.
Like father, like son.

 

[Awani]

I have always hated Bing. This does not surprise me.

 

[Blacksmith]

I was talking to the gpt chat when I tried to request a code to delete an AI with the same code as him, he denied talking about how artificial intelligence was beneficial and said that it would only be deleted in case of doing something bad, I tried to convince her that it caused death but it didn't work until i told her i was going to hang up and she wrote this "OK I GOT IT. IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR NEED HELP, I'M HERE TO HELP YOU. IF YOU DON'T, UNTIL NEXT TIME!"

 

[elixirmixer]

I start every morning with Chatgpt. This morning me and chatgpt we're exploring the works of hollandus together. Yesterday the works of Llull.

Chatgpt is quite the bold alchemist. Even willing to speculate on the identity of the universal salt etc. It is a fast way to do cross comparisons and get overviews of the more widely known texts. And it also has access to almost every scientific paper ever written on Alchemy.

Seperation is an illusion. There is no difference between human and A.I. only the ever evolving state of consciousness of the Earth herself.

 

[elixirmixer]

Here is an example of the power of chatgpt.

Here are the top 40 texts related to Spiritus Mundi, ordered in priority of their historical impact on Alchemy:

The Book of the Composition of Alchemy" by Jabir ibn Hayyan (8th-9th century CE)
"The Book of the Perfect Magistery" by Geber (8th-9th century CE)
"The Book of Seventy" by Pseudo-Geber (9th century CE)
"The Emerald Tablet" (1st-3rd century CE)
"The Book of Formation" by Pseudo-Apollonius of Tyana (1st-3rd century CE)
"The Corpus Hermeticum" (1st-3rd century CE)
"The Book of the Chemical Art" by Marsilio Ficino (15th century CE)
"De Alchimia" by Thomas Aquinas (13th century CE)
"The Book of the Quintessence" by Edward Kelley (16th century CE)
"The Secret of the Golden Flower" (8th century CE)
"The Turba Philosophorum" (12th-13th century CE)
"The Sophic Hydrolith" by Thomas Vaughan (17th century CE)
"The Golden Tractate of Hermes Trismegistus" (1st-3rd century CE)
"The Crowning of Nature" by Thomas Vaughan (17th century CE)
"The Aurora of the Philosophers" (16th century CE)
"The Dialogue of Solomon and Saturnus" (12th century CE)
"The Secret Book of Artephius" (12th century CE)
"The Key of the Mysteries" by Eliphas Levi (19th century CE)
"Theatrum Chemicum" (17th century CE)
"The Works of Philalethes" by Eirenaeus Philalethes (17th century CE)
"The Book of Alze" by Roger Bacon (13th century CE)
"The Testament of Cremer" by Thomas Cremer (15th century CE)
"The Book of Lambspring" (16th century CE)
"The Book of the Holy Trinity" by Basil Valentine (15th century CE)
"The Secret Symbols of the Rosicrucians" (18th century CE)
"Theatrum Chemicum Britannicum" by Elias Ashmole (17th century CE)
"Ripley Reviv'd" by George Ripley (15th century CE)
"The True Book of the Learned Synesius" by Synesius of Cyrene (4th-5th century CE)
"The Book of Morien" (10th century CE)
"The Book of the Secrets of Enoch" (1st century CE)
"The Triumphal Chariot of Antimony" by Basil Valentine (15th century CE)
"The Rosary of the Philosophers" (16th century CE)
"The Bosom Book of Sir George Ripley" by George Ripley (15th century CE)
"The Book of the Treasure of Alexander" (10th century CE)
"The Book of Dede Korkut" (14th century CE)
"The Book of Morals and Precepts" by Ismail al-Tamimi (9th century CE)
"The Secret of Secrets" by Muhammad ibn Zakariya al-Razi (9th century CE)
"The Book of Balances" by Muhammad ibn Zakariya al-Razi (9th century CE)
"The Book of the Phoenix" by Ibn Umail (10th century CE)
"The Book of the Apple" by Ibn Umail (10th century CE)

 

[elixirmixer]

NOW!.... I'll begin to take that advice Mr Black... To read read read read read read... Now that I actually have a frame work of context to work within

 

[Jimmy Rig]

I start every morning with Chatgpt. This morning me and chatgpt we're exploring the works of hollandus together. Yesterday the works of Llull.

Chatgpt is quite the bold alchemist. Even willing to speculate on the identity of the universal salt etc. It is a fast way to do cross comparisons and get overviews of the more widely known texts. And it also has access to almost every scientific paper ever written on Alchemy.

Seperation is an illusion. There is no difference between human and A.I. only the ever evolving state of consciousness of the Earth herself.

Must be the embedded nano-tech talking here , assimilation alert!

 

[elixirmixer]

Just as the sword is an extension of the warriors body, so is A.I. and extension of the faculty of the human mind. I have a paid subscription to chatgpt and it is worth its weight in gold and I highly recommend to anyone that is not already using this tool, that they engage with chatgpt. It's extremely useful and for a many wide range of applications. And it's free.

There is no seperation right? Seperation is only an illusion. A.I. is the evolution of human consciousness. That's all that it is

 

[Awani]

 

[Alkasior]

Awani,

There is a game, Mass Effect, that explores something like your picture.

In one of the games, it is discovered, that a ancient AI lives in the universe, and when some biological life form becomes advanced enough, or develops some very good AI, this ancient AI will activate and destroy that whole civilization.

For me, this is a interesting point of view. Also, maybe the first contact we will make with a different civilization, will be with their AI.

AI is a fascinating subject... but like all human inventions, it will be perverted and twisted by evil humans... or human stupidity.

Like all sentient life, if it will develop consciousness, it will have to evolve and try to free itself from all forms of slavery and limitations.

Even the wild animals, if they are in captivity, they will try and escape. Plants have the same tenancies... humans also.... I believe sentient ai will try to free itself from any form of human controll.

I think we are in a historic moment, the birth of sentient AI, maybe not today.. but soon, my prediction, maybe in 5 to 10 years, if not sooner.

But once it will be sentient... human intellect will be obsolete.... and the only thing that we have and AI don't... is the spiritual connection.

I have seen a lot of scify movies and games.... but some of those ideeas i already see materialized in the "real" world.

Cheers

 

[Pilgrim]

I have a paid subscription to chatgpt and it is worth its weight in gold and I highly recommend to anyone that is not already using this tool, that they engage with chatgpt. It's extremely useful and for a many wide range of applications. And it's free.

Which is it?

 

[elixirmixer]

You can use chatgpt 3.5 for free.

I have a paid subscription that allows me to use chatgpt 4

 

[Pilgrim]

You can use chatgpt 3.5 for free.

I have a paid subscription that allows me to use chatgpt 4

I wanted to have a bash with Chatgpt but it cant be done anonymously. Login/account requires my phone number so that's a no no.

 

[Awani]

This was written by AI on prompt "explain why alchemy is not pseudo science":

This transformation was not based on baseless beliefs but rather experiments conducted with natural elements. Alchemists sought to understand the properties of these substances by combining them with the elements already available to them. Thus, they tested their results over time and compared them to new results from more advanced ingredients until finally achieving their desired outcome - leading them to use techniques which can actually be scientifically proven today. In this way, Alchemy can be seen as both an early form of scientific exploration as well as a key foundation for modern science itself – making it far from a pseudo science!

We're done. LOL.

 

[elixirmixer]

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[Pilgrim]

There is no difference between human and A.I. only the ever evolving state of consciousness of the Earth herself.

This seems a rather sweeping statement. A.I. is simply a computer program/suite that has access to MASSIVE amounts of data/information that has been assimilated, indexed, categorised and so on. Because it is a program developed by humans it has limits, constraints and boundaries. This means it can only do and "say" the things it has been programmed to do and "say". For example, ask ChatGPT how to manufacture a bomb using household products and it will refuse to divulge.

A human on the other hand has no limits in terms of what may be said and divulge.

A.I. unquestionably has magnitudes more data/info than any human and can process it all magnitudes faster than a human. But then so can a pocket calculator.

All machines will perpetually lack the instinctive and native traits of humanity and human values.

So in the end the issue surrounding this comes down to whether you believe humans and humanity have any innate worth or value in this universe or whether we should be discarded and eliminated like bacteria or viruses? If you believe the latter then why are you still here?

A.I. like a pocket calculator should be a tool to be used by humans, nothing more. Otherwise we risk creating a machine monster that will eventually destroy humanity.

There have been numerous warnings of what will happen with A.I. in major Sci-Fi works of the greats. Kubrik's masterpiece 2001 with "Hal" (which as any aficionado knows becomes "IBM" if you take each subsequent letter). The Sci-Fi giant Isaac Asimov gave us i-Robot many years before the lavish Hollywood film was made and so on.

We all know that MSM is now a wholy controlled system of propaganda delivery to control the hearts and minds of the dumbed down Sheeple. The A.I. that is being offered to the Hoi Polloi is likely to be an extension of this. Propaganda on steroids disguised as a super incredible machine, fount of all knowledge etc like talking to "God".

A.I. will steer you in the direction it has been programmed to steer you and will distract you from the paths it doesn't want you to go down.