. A Big Trap of the Alchemist

[solomon levi]

"all one in spirit"...

I've been noticing how material non-duality is.
I suppose it's where the head and tail of the Ouroboros meet.
If awareness is total, there is no separate self.
This is true if it is awareness of anger, of body, of awareness...
I, for one, like that non-duality is concerned with reality instead of spirituality.

 

[Awani]

well, you cant really think that your comment is true about ''we are all responsible for the total degree of good and evil in the world''...i don't agree.

We are all co-creators of reality so how can it not be true?

 

[Illen A. Cluf]

well, you cant really think that your comment is true about ''we are all responsible for the total degree of good and evil in the world''...i don't agree.

We might never know whether my view or your view is "true:" while in this form of life. Just because my view is different than your view does not make either of our views "complete bull". This thread is designated as "Spiritual Alchemy" so obviously it is already an established premise established by others. There are many books about spiritual alchemy, indicating its acceptance, although in my view, I don't agree with most of them because they are too simplistic and appeal to New Age groupies.

I personally believe that "God" is the sum total of all that is, which means that we are PART of God. It only appears that we are "part" because our spiritual selves are merged with the material bodies. I think we are experiencing this apparent separateness in order to reflect back to God (us) his own awareness. In other words, God can have no awareness of himself if he wasn't able to separate himself such that he can see all perspectives of himself - both what we consider "good" as well as "bad". In my view, this continual fluctuation between opposites is the dynamic that creates awareness. Without it there would be no awareness. If you read and study the ancient writings enough, you will find that many of these concepts are already incorporated in the text of the ancient Philosophers.

"Complete bull" is something that someone who is addicted to his own "beliefs" without really understanding why, would say. You have provided no explanation as to why you think that this view is full of bull. I'm not interested in your subjective beliefs. I'm only interested in your rational/philosophical explanations as to your view.

Illen

 

[Illen A. Cluf]

Of course, if one sees oneself as a seperate ego identity, how could they be responsible
for other seperate ego identities?

I agree. Further, if we didn't have a spiritual nature, we would never, as a society, have progressed as far as we have. We would have no rehabilitation programs, no charities to help the oppressed, no laws against crimes, etc. Thus there is an innate sense of responsibility for each other. We sympathize because we know that under different circumstances we could become those who we view as either oppressed or those we view as criminals. Thus we do feel that we are responsible for each other.

 

[Illen A. Cluf]

"all one in spirit"...

I've been noticing how material non-duality is.
I suppose it's where the head and tail of the Ouroboros meet.
If awareness is total, there is no separate self.
This is true if it is awareness of anger, of body, of awareness...
I, for one, like that non-duality is concerned with reality instead of spirituality.

The problem is in the very terms we use. When entering the world of non duality, there is no language to describe it. Our very language is what creates the impression of separateness.

Illen

 

[Seth-Ra]

I think we are experiencing this apparent separateness in order to reflect back to God (us) his own awareness. In other words, God can have no awareness of himself if he wasn't able to separate himself such that he can see all perspectives of himself - both what we consider "good" as well as "bad". In my view, this continual fluctuation between opposites is the dynamic that creates awareness. Without it there would be no awareness. If you read and study the ancient writings enough, you will find that many of these concepts are already incorporated in the text of the ancient Philosophers.

Speaking of the ancient texts and their peculiar wording...

And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. ...

Gen. 3:22

Just like our own self-reflection is a microcosm of the macro-God's self-reflection.




~Seth-Ra

 

[Illen A. Cluf]

Just like our own self-reflection is a microcosm of the macro-God's self-reflection.

~Seth-Ra

Great summary, Seth-Ra! It brings the discussion right back to Hermetics!

 

[solomon levi]

The problem is in the very terms we use. When entering the world of non duality, there is no language to describe it. Our very language is what creates the impression of separateness.

Illen

Yes. So true.

 

[solomon levi]

The thing about good and evil, even if you consider yourself on the side of the good,
you are maintaining the separation... you are preventing the new unified dimension that
you imagine is to come when we are all good. You are preventing it as much as evil people are.