. 2050

[Krisztian]

BBC posted another one of those future predictions from their "expert panel" entitled: "The workplace of 2025 will be wherever you want it" found under http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19639048. I know it's mainstream, forgive me. But I have a point for this Thread.

Dr. Schwartz's debriefing of what participants in the "2050 Project" remote viewed also mentions this aspect to the future. I'm not necessarily referring to the "ubiquitous computing" but more about how virtual reality conferencing (i.e., this Forum) mostly replaces need for business travel and creates "dispersed workforces". The result of which leads to people gravitating towards 'similarly minded' people in small communities. Which is another point viewed by the participants.

 

[Krisztian]

People will grow their own homes

In Popular Mechanics, I think the latest issue, December 2012, a rather novel 'prediction' was made relating to 'farming-fresh homes'. I rarely enjoy anything mainstream, but I took a second glance.

It very briefly discusses the future-projected concept that people will grow, sustainable homes using living, breathing trees coaxed together into one body. Later, the home can be transplanted wherever it needs to be.

In my remote view, I did see something akin to such concept, but it appeared that it was formed by consciousness. Or, that the consciousness inhabiting the living home had direct 'relationship' with the immunity, to the beingness of the home. I saw this organic, almost like a family member onto itself home, built into Mother Nature, housing people.

(As I read some of these magazines, they provide for me new ways in which to express what I saw. For, sometimes, I don't know how to communicate what I saw.)

 

[III]

I've had a few confusing visions beyond my own life, not many and not all that clear, but that can always change suddenly. The problem of so many ordinary things at all times

I had an experience back about 1975, when I was married but some years before my children. I was riding a bike up a drivway and the garage door opened. I was on a "Desert Rose" girls bike with a pink banana seat. I got off and walked past an old brown station wagon I didn't recognize and up the steps into the kitchen, completely unfamilliar. Well about 20 years later we moved into a new house, and it all came together. The "old brown wagon" hadn't started old. The Desert Rose bike was ridden by my daughter and the kitchen was the kitchen in the new house, left-right reversed like a mirror or TLR.

So what is future and what is past is sometimes confusing and not recognizable. The ones in the future having low population and low tech but different than pioneer days. I have sort of a suggestion, still fuzzy, of some planetwide catastrophe that kills a lot of people. A lot have seen something like that. So who knows.

There was a thought exercise a group had maybe 15-20 years ago of figuring out how to preserve a physical "legacy" for ones descendents 500 years in the future, of information of certain types and other items in a time capsule that has to be put away for 500 years and then to meet the challange of communication to that time, to have it retrieved by your targeted group or reasonable standin.

Interesting challange then, how to preserve alchemical knowledge in an accessable way to survive a 500 year recovery back to civilization after a worldwide unstoppable catastrophe.

500 years of living with ordinary wars, fires, rats, mildew, eathquakes, floods, hurricanes and so on is tough on anything lasting. Who knows what else may be forthcoming but if tough on people tough on everything.

 

[Andro]

How can we know if 'preserving our knowledge' is actually in the best interest of 'future' generations (if any)?

How can we know if doing so won't create a similar cycle?

Maybe, allowing complete UN-learning may be a preferred approach to allow for a genuine 'Fresh Start', in a 'Tabula Rasa' sort of way?

And why this need to 'preserve' anything, anyway? I never really figured out the reasoning (if any) behind this need to 'preserve'...
Can't this also be seen like a 'virus' trying to survive by freezing itself for 500 years, only to re-infect everything with its destructively interventionist programming, when it's 'safer' for it to do so?

And, for those who speak of love, how can we know if the highest form of love isn't in fact letting go of attempting to maintain any degree of control over new beginnings?

This 'preserving' - isn't it the same as what parents are doing to their offspring, only on a larger scale?
Wouldn't we be projecting our own perceived sense of achievement to a future which has NO NEED for it whatsoever?

Can't we just shut the fuck up, quietly enjoy our last meals and stop infecting every new chance we get with our 'good intentions'?

What if the highest form of love is allowing total annihilation?

Worst come to worst, we can always 'travel back in time' from All But One possible 'futures' and 'UN-preserve' the viral program, in the sense of trying to 'retroactively annihilate' the very dead-end frozen futures we are coming from... And what if this is what we've been doing all along, but we can't listen to our dead-end & frozen-loop 'future' selves, because we're too busy 'preserving' the very things that get us 'there' in the first place?
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This may all sound like a 'Devil's Advocate' point of view, but I feel it needed saying

 

[Krisztian]

I had an experience back about 1975, when I was married but some years before my children. I was riding a bike up a drivway and the garage door opened. I was on a "Desert Rose" girls bike with a pink banana seat. I got off and walked past an old brown station wagon I didn't recognize and up the steps into the kitchen, completely unfamilliar. Well about 20 years later we moved into a new house, and it all came together. The "old brown wagon" hadn't started old. The Desert Rose bike was ridden by my daughter and the kitchen was the kitchen in the new house, left-right reversed like a mirror or TLR.

Thank you for your personal sharing, III.

 

[Krisztian]

How can we know if 'preserving our knowledge' is actually in the best interest of 'future' generations (if any)? How can we know if doing so won't create a similar cycle? Maybe, allowing complete UN-learning may be a preferred approach to allow for a genuine 'Fresh Start', in a 'Tabula Rasa' sort of way?

All things you say Androgynus is valid, I often also contemplated 'the whys'.

Please let me also add another aspect to this discussion. From a perspective strictly derived from mysterious and secretive patrons of the Royal Art of alchemy; but also I found references made by Fr. Albertus in his Alchemist's Handbook to the true purpose of why alchemy has existed. Why it has like a swirling, wise serpent underneath the tall grass of a field made it's way in and out of history?

I quote Fr. Albertus: ". . . those who had attained perfect health and financial independence from the world were given a new set of instructions to study and practice in some sequestered spot. There they would probably attain to the highest degree of psychic development and adepthood (p.69).

Their, the task was, for the alchemists' who perfected the Stone, to be the 'guides', to preserve knowledge, from the Old to the New World, from one cycle to the next! The Stone, it's true purpose, is to aid - simply - the longevity of the physical vehicle long enough to complete the task-at-hand. It wasn't for vanity. The backbone of secret societies have held such preserved knowledge; thankful of some handful of Adepts who undertook the divine task. The 'Royal' line must be preserved for future generations. It is difficult to 'bring in' such knowledge otherwise; the Gate is guarded well, references I make to TABLET XV., The Emerald Tablets of Thoth.

 

[Andro]

All things you say Androgynus is valid, I often also contemplated 'the whys'.

Indeed Krisztian, it sure is a 'Why' or a 'What If' for me. Definitely not an opinion set in stone.

These are just questions I am asking myself - whether we could possibly do more 'damage' than 'good' by trying to 'preserve' Knowledge between cycles...

I guess my internal debate about this can be summarized by this short dialog from the TV show Lost, between Jakob and his nameless brother:

Nameless: They come, they fight, they destroy, they corrupt. It always ends the same.

Jacob: It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.

Hmm...

 

[solomon levi]

What I have seen of the Mystery is that preservation is the alchemical side.
From the perspective of three choices/gunas, etc, preservation is many people's
ideal as opposed to constant birth/creation or constant destruction.
Yesterday, I was "imagining" a conversation with Ouspensky, and "he" told
me that the Philosophers' stone is perpetual youth. Isn't that most people's
dream? I'm not saying it's right. There's pros to childhood and old age for sure.
But if you could have the wisdom of old age with the youth of 20's or 30's,
wouldn't that be ideal? Most people seem to think so - enough to have created
these schools of alchemists and what-not.
Thus Vishnu, the preserver, the fish, mercury, etc...
If not on a physical level, then schools want to preserve awareness after/beyond death.

Preservation is alchemy's general goal. Isn't it?
Of course, Androgynus may not be the person to ask this.
I understand your views are different.

 

[Krisztian]

Indeed Krisztian, it sure is a 'Why' or a 'What If' for me. Definitely not an opinion set in stone.

These are just questions I am asking myself - whether we could possibly do more 'damage' than 'good' by trying to 'preserve' Knowledge between cycles.

Yes, I hear you. Thanks for adding to this discussion.

 

[Krisztian]

Building

I debated whether to post and continue to evolve this Thread because my experience was so personal! I keep seeing in various sectors reminders of what I saw in 2050; or what one would call the 'seeds of tomorrow'.

Today I saw this article, yes, again from BBC, that showed this photo of the side of a building: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20965207 That photo very much reminded me of what I also viewed. I actually worked in a building not unlike what this photo shows. It's almost identical. (A technology that mirrors consciousness, it's current state, moment to moment, and morphs the living environment for complementary purposes was very much the name of the game in 2050.)

Feel free to comment.

 

[Nibiru]

(A technology that mirrors consciousness, it's current state, moment to moment, and morphs the living environment for complementary purposes was very much the name of the game in 2050.)

Feel free to comment.

From what I've been experiencing lately (real or imagined) I would say that I feel this technology may already exist. It's hard for me to determine if this is something new, or if I'm just now waking up to what has always been, or if I'm just loosing my mind completely. It's also difficult to understand, if it does exist, if it is an exterior or interior technology. Though I have a gut feeling that the technology you mentioned may be our own consciousness's ability to manifest outwardly into 'reality'. The more in-tune the individual and collective consciousness is with itself, the more efficiently the 'technology' is able to mirror the dream back upon itself. The mirror should also have the ability to effect the evolution of the individual as well as the collective through it's ability to reflect directly the actions and thoughts(to an extent) back to the transmitters. Instant karma so to speak. If any of what I'm saying is true then perhaps some of us are already experiencing 'reality' on the 2050 timeline. As I said before I've been experiencing a lot of psychological changes lately, so please take what I say with a grain of salt.

 

[Krisztian]

Timeline

If any of what I'm saying is true then perhaps some of us are already experiencing 'reality' on the 2050 timeline.

What you say makes a great deal of sense Nibiru. Some consciousness, maybe not collectively, on this Earth may already be in another "timeline" experiencing the abundance of realities unfolding from, say, 2050. It was very clear that the significance of consciousness and it's role in reality forming was much better understood, integrated then [2050] in the collective. It was part of life, and the difference between consciousness and "technology" seemed rather minuscule, if any. No difference between organic and inorganic. It's all mind, matter substance is.

As I said before I've been experiencing a lot of psychological changes lately, so please take what I say with a grain of salt.

I know what you mean.

 

[Ghislain]

By 2050 offices will probably look like this.

Maybe with more electric cars \o/

Ghislain

 

[Krisztian]

In certain cities offices already look like that, Ghislain. That must be a reference for a taxi depot, no?

Good to have your British humour on board.

 

[Ghislain]

Krisztian

Imagine there are many dimensions existing all at the same time. What places us into a specific dimension
could be the choices we make. Therefore maybe what you see in 2050 may be a glimpse of the result of the
choices you will make up to that time.

Another person could travel a completely different path and have a completely different 2050.

Could it be that we are all Solipsists living in our own created dimension?

From birth we start making choices, even if some are involuntary. Each black node is where we choose from
a multitude of options available to us. I'm not sure if any babies are born smiling I just included that for an
example. Each spur is a different reality existing right now due to the choice made and the "we" that we
perceive right now are the result of only one path.

From there on our perception is coloured by the choices we make and the choices we make are in a constant
loop with the perceptions we have from the result of such choices.

I placed three outcomes in the example above, but one has to realise there is no permanence, everything is
transitory and by simply making a different choice one can shift from one dimension into another at any time
one wishes to unless ones perception doesn't allow one to realise this.

I misspelled "Dimension" in the above image, but rather than correct it, which is what I would normally do,
I placed the correction under it...My point here is that was my choice and had I not corrected it then I may
have moved onto a different path...or maybe not, depending on my perception

In the above scenario this means that if you perceive someone as sad/happy/angry etc... that is the way they
are in your dimension; that same person may be in utopia in their dimension.

Thus 2050 may be where you find your utopia but others may be in that frame right now...whereas
in 2050 they may be in misery.

I'm not sure if I am entirely comfortable with what I wrote there, but it is a point for discussion.

Ghislain

 

[Ghislain]

Just another fleeting thought...

Maybe there are just a few sharing each dimension...everyone else is a result of their choices.

If this was the case I wonder how you would recognise the current occupants.

Sorry if this is swinging off topic, but it is what your post inspired in me.

Ghislain

 

[Krisztian]

I'm not sure if I am entirely comfortable with what I wrote there, but it is a point for discussion.

I think this is a great discussion Ghislain, the multi-lifelines are intriguing and propose a sense of freedom, of choice-making.

On a personal level, I do not care as much about the future; this Thread evolved out of that viewing experience I had especially during that period when the collective (i.e., Mainstream media, society, people in general, etc.) were presenting a rather gloomy, often catastrophic and fearful picture of the "future". Then I see what I see, it's quite different. And before I know it, I find out that other, shall I say, thousands of "participants" of the 2050 Project also saw almost identical futures.

I figured that's worth mentioning.

 

[Krisztian]

Maybe there are just a few sharing each dimension...everyone else is a result of their choices.

Yes, maybe someone was here, I mean, this dimension of reality, before we got here, on [Earth]? And created what we unquestionably except as animals, trees, etc. "They" created all details, manufactured the suit for [humanoid] consciousness, and were the true frontier explorers?

 

[Awani]

The gloomy negative outlook you mention is, from my own experience, self-inflicted. When I began to have a positive outlook things became better. Law of attraction is certainly true in my case. Media (TV, news etc), paranoia, conspiracies etc are NOT healthy and will only turn your hair grey. Ignore it. To be aware is fine but don't waste your energy.

If we imagine utopia so shall it be.

 

[Krisztian]

The gloomy negative outlook you mention is, from my own experience, self-inflicted. When I began to have a positive outlook things became better. Law of attraction is certainly true in my case. Media (TV, news etc), paranoia, conspiracies etc are NOT healthy and will only turn your hair grey. Ignore it. To be aware is fine but don't waste your energy. If we imagine utopia so shall it be.

No disagreements on that.

 

[Krisztian]

Bacteria as battery

. . . I saw platforms protruding out of treetops. They were platforms for 'airbus' (that moves by different propulsion energy, I don't know). The top had clear glass, darkened; the shape was that of a clothing-iron. It moved effortlessly.

Recently BBC wrote an article under their heading of 'technology' that can be found here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21925123 I've heard of this possibility before, namely, that bacteria could be harnessed for it's internal, natural energy. Sort of like a modernday battery.

I also enjoyed reflecting upon this possibility that whatever maybe seen as 'bad' and useless today, may some day be regarded as helpful and as part of our technologies. Here they speak about battery for cellular phones.

The other point worth mentioning is, that the same way our physical bodies need bacteria for digestion, some day, the belly of a space craft may also hold bacteria for it's livelihood, and energy. When I saw this 'airbus' in my remote view, the technology was organic, fluid-like, so I was quite reluctant to call it 'technology' for some years thereafter, the concept, was somehow misleading in modern context of that word.

 

[Krisztian]

Itskov's 2045

Please allow me to say that this is not in any way appealing to me, what's presented here, Itskov's plan for "immortality by 2045". But figured that it relates, to some degree, to this Thread.

Link found here: http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/ru...try-itskov-plans-on-becoming-immortal-by-2045

Hoping that others will give their reflection and opinions on the matter?

 

[Krisztian]

Thinking, breathing buildings

So when I found this article today, this was similar to the buildings I saw, where they seemed to have been 'alive'. The fabric wasn't the way we know buildings to be today.

Link here: http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20130610-buildings-that-breathe-and-think

Instead of air purifiers and other HEPA filters and technologies of sort inside rooms; the entire building being like a giant lung, cleaning the atmosphere.

 

[III]

I think this is a great discussion Ghislain, the multi-lifelines are intriguing and propose a sense of freedom, of choice-making.

On a personal level, I do not care as much about the future; this Thread evolved out of that viewing experience I had especially during that period when the collective (i.e., Mainstream media, society, people in general, etc.) were presenting a rather gloomy, often catastrophic and fearful picture of the "future". Then I see what I see, it's quite different. And before I know it, I find out that other, shall I say, thousands of "participants" of the 2050 Project also saw almost identical futures.

I figured that's worth mentioning.

Hi Krisztian,

the multi-lifelines are intriguing and propose a sense of freedom, of choice-making.

Multiple dimensions. Multi-lifelines that can be shifted amongst as one learns, that are lived over and over GROUNDHOG DAY style each one different in ways responsive to what the one living chooses to do. However, the "chooses" isn't in the typical egotistical version of that. Ego choices always seem to backfire over and over. It isn't just a matter of deciding a choice, it's applying the choice to changing the being in such a way as to live the preferred, or at least different, variation of life. It's not precise like saying "I want a grandmother that has us up to her summer house on the lake each summer". Instead it's more like "I want to think more clearly so that I make better choices".That is the tricky part; recognizing what to change and how to change it. Choose wisely. Things work best if the choices are made, actions taken for undertaking the spiritual work.

When one enters the work the nature of karma, like everything else, changes, or at least shows a different face, a challenge, a problem to be solved by purifying ones self. Also it accelerates as you succeed. As ones understanding and knowing increases the meaning of everything changes so it is NEVER what one expects. It is a most intriguing "game" and one becomes free as the knowing and understanding increases. Let me define "free". "Free" is being to able to depart this life without involuntary rebirth. It doesn't mean one can't take voluntary rebirth. BE IN LOVE.

 

[III]

In considering the question "should" the knowledge continue into the future I would ask "How is it going to be stopped?" Of course it filters out all but the successful Alchemists, Yogis, Sufis etc I would imagine. Shaw, In THE SUFIS claims that there are always thousands of "natural Sufis" walking around in the world. I took some refresher courses as it were, in this life to pick up some current language but I already know the basics and had started remembering them in 3rd grade and "practicing" by 7th grade. There is no "should" or "should not" to forward transfer of alchemical knowledge. Those who succeed carry their information forward themselves. BE IN LOVE